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On January 20 2013 12:01 ECHOZs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 11:58 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:On January 20 2013 11:57 ECHOZs wrote:On January 20 2013 11:47 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:On January 20 2013 11:33 ECHOZs wrote:On January 20 2013 11:24 obesechicken13 wrote:
So I don't really understand the OP and I'm not sure if he was serious. Where is an organized explanation for "limit theory"? Organized explanation? Limit theory makes perfect sense and no sense. Why do you want something organized? People think I got this from somewhere. I am only telling people my perception of reality, I am completely opened to new experience and that is how you can advance your happiness. I also see people saying use self-reflection and I am to my full extent if you wish to try and help just be as specific as you possibly can. If you want to find out more look up solution focused therapy and Carl Rogers. But wait me limiting myself to you is unethical? The basic rules I personally live by are All matter is equal Question everything There are no absolutes Think without limits This in itself is a structure, and that is what makes structures useful, its a way to help express yourself, to organize. Remember there are no absolutes. All matter is equal, what is that supposed to mean? And I am quite sure most of science would tell you there are plenty of absolutes. The Questioning and constant thinking principles sound good though. Lets look at Quantum physics and General relativity. Quantum physics is baffling scientist because its unpredictable. But when matter works together and limits itself to groups the universe makes sense. Why? Are they setting limits on themselves? That's why I think all matter is equal, it is all from a source, but what is that source and how many sources are there? It's actually not baffling scientists. We've developed a computer that's available on the market now that uses quantum processing. We understand quantum physics relatively well. Your assumptions are all retarded. If anyone says he can think about quantum physics without getting giddy, that only shows he doesn't understand the first thing about it- Niels Bohr
Niels Bohr died in 1962. It's been half a century since then.
Stop quoting other people to make yourself look smart.
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On January 20 2013 12:02 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 11:57 ECHOZs wrote:On January 20 2013 11:47 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:On January 20 2013 11:33 ECHOZs wrote:On January 20 2013 11:24 obesechicken13 wrote:
So I don't really understand the OP and I'm not sure if he was serious. Where is an organized explanation for "limit theory"? Organized explanation? Limit theory makes perfect sense and no sense. Why do you want something organized? People think I got this from somewhere. I am only telling people my perception of reality, I am completely opened to new experience and that is how you can advance your happiness. I also see people saying use self-reflection and I am to my full extent if you wish to try and help just be as specific as you possibly can. If you want to find out more look up solution focused therapy and Carl Rogers. But wait me limiting myself to you is unethical? The basic rules I personally live by are All matter is equal Question everything There are no absolutes Think without limits This in itself is a structure, and that is what makes structures useful, its a way to help express yourself, to organize. Remember there are no absolutes. All matter is equal, what is that supposed to mean? And I am quite sure most of science would tell you there are plenty of absolutes. The Questioning and constant thinking principles sound good though. Lets look at Quantum physics and General relativity. Quantum physics is baffling scientist because its unpredictable. But when matter works together and limits itself to groups the universe makes sense. Why? Are they setting limits on themselves? That's why I think all matter is equal, it is all from a source, but what is that source and how many sources are there? And maybe quantum is wrong and is not the right way to unify relativity with the standard model. Just because it is being developed now though doesn't mean quantum could not become much more predictable once it is further refined. Your theory on the other hand has no empirical basis. What level is your understanding of physics at out of curiosity?
Why is my level of understanding relevant? All I wish to do it promote independent thinking.
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On January 20 2013 12:03 ECHOZs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 12:02 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:On January 20 2013 11:57 ECHOZs wrote:On January 20 2013 11:47 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:On January 20 2013 11:33 ECHOZs wrote:On January 20 2013 11:24 obesechicken13 wrote:
So I don't really understand the OP and I'm not sure if he was serious. Where is an organized explanation for "limit theory"? Organized explanation? Limit theory makes perfect sense and no sense. Why do you want something organized? People think I got this from somewhere. I am only telling people my perception of reality, I am completely opened to new experience and that is how you can advance your happiness. I also see people saying use self-reflection and I am to my full extent if you wish to try and help just be as specific as you possibly can. If you want to find out more look up solution focused therapy and Carl Rogers. But wait me limiting myself to you is unethical? The basic rules I personally live by are All matter is equal Question everything There are no absolutes Think without limits This in itself is a structure, and that is what makes structures useful, its a way to help express yourself, to organize. Remember there are no absolutes. All matter is equal, what is that supposed to mean? And I am quite sure most of science would tell you there are plenty of absolutes. The Questioning and constant thinking principles sound good though. Lets look at Quantum physics and General relativity. Quantum physics is baffling scientist because its unpredictable. But when matter works together and limits itself to groups the universe makes sense. Why? Are they setting limits on themselves? That's why I think all matter is equal, it is all from a source, but what is that source and how many sources are there? And maybe quantum is wrong and is not the right way to unify relativity with the standard model. Just because it is being developed now though doesn't mean quantum could not become much more predictable once it is further refined. Your theory on the other hand has no empirical basis. What level is your understanding of physics at out of curiosity? Why is my level of understanding relevant? All I wish to do it promote independent thinking.
All of us have independently come to the same conclusion: you are retarded or trolling.
I'm out of this thread, and I hope it gets closed.
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On January 20 2013 12:03 ECHOZs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 12:02 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:On January 20 2013 11:57 ECHOZs wrote:On January 20 2013 11:47 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:On January 20 2013 11:33 ECHOZs wrote:On January 20 2013 11:24 obesechicken13 wrote:
So I don't really understand the OP and I'm not sure if he was serious. Where is an organized explanation for "limit theory"? Organized explanation? Limit theory makes perfect sense and no sense. Why do you want something organized? People think I got this from somewhere. I am only telling people my perception of reality, I am completely opened to new experience and that is how you can advance your happiness. I also see people saying use self-reflection and I am to my full extent if you wish to try and help just be as specific as you possibly can. If you want to find out more look up solution focused therapy and Carl Rogers. But wait me limiting myself to you is unethical? The basic rules I personally live by are All matter is equal Question everything There are no absolutes Think without limits This in itself is a structure, and that is what makes structures useful, its a way to help express yourself, to organize. Remember there are no absolutes. All matter is equal, what is that supposed to mean? And I am quite sure most of science would tell you there are plenty of absolutes. The Questioning and constant thinking principles sound good though. Lets look at Quantum physics and General relativity. Quantum physics is baffling scientist because its unpredictable. But when matter works together and limits itself to groups the universe makes sense. Why? Are they setting limits on themselves? That's why I think all matter is equal, it is all from a source, but what is that source and how many sources are there? And maybe quantum is wrong and is not the right way to unify relativity with the standard model. Just because it is being developed now though doesn't mean quantum could not become much more predictable once it is further refined. Your theory on the other hand has no empirical basis. What level is your understanding of physics at out of curiosity? Why is my level of understanding relevant? All I wish to do it promote independent thinking.
Because if you don't understand physics properly it is obvious where your incorrect perception of scientific reality has come from.
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Wow so much drama, kind of irrelevant to bash on the guy even though his OP is kind of all over the place
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But limits do have to exists, otherwise how are we going to define derivatives?
Unless you are talking about rational or integers, in which case limits and derivatives indeed do not exist.
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On January 20 2013 12:02 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 11:57 ECHOZs wrote:On January 20 2013 11:47 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:On January 20 2013 11:33 ECHOZs wrote:On January 20 2013 11:24 obesechicken13 wrote:
So I don't really understand the OP and I'm not sure if he was serious. Where is an organized explanation for "limit theory"? Organized explanation? Limit theory makes perfect sense and no sense. Why do you want something organized? People think I got this from somewhere. I am only telling people my perception of reality, I am completely opened to new experience and that is how you can advance your happiness. I also see people saying use self-reflection and I am to my full extent if you wish to try and help just be as specific as you possibly can. If you want to find out more look up solution focused therapy and Carl Rogers. But wait me limiting myself to you is unethical? The basic rules I personally live by are All matter is equal Question everything There are no absolutes Think without limits This in itself is a structure, and that is what makes structures useful, its a way to help express yourself, to organize. Remember there are no absolutes. All matter is equal, what is that supposed to mean? And I am quite sure most of science would tell you there are plenty of absolutes. The Questioning and constant thinking principles sound good though. Lets look at Quantum physics and General relativity. Quantum physics is baffling scientist because its unpredictable. But when matter works together and limits itself to groups the universe makes sense. Why? Are they setting limits on themselves? That's why I think all matter is equal, it is all from a source, but what is that source and how many sources are there? And maybe quantum is wrong and is not the right way to unify relativity with the standard model. Just because it is being developed now though doesn't mean quantum could not become much more predictable once it is further refined. Your theory on the other hand has no empirical basis. What level is your understanding of physics at out of curiosity?
Quantum physics is one of the most rigorously tested theories that we have and it has passed every test. If anything, our models about the rest of reality must conform to it. It is very well understood but not at all intuitive.
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On January 20 2013 12:08 Solarsail wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 12:02 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:On January 20 2013 11:57 ECHOZs wrote:On January 20 2013 11:47 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:On January 20 2013 11:33 ECHOZs wrote:On January 20 2013 11:24 obesechicken13 wrote:
So I don't really understand the OP and I'm not sure if he was serious. Where is an organized explanation for "limit theory"? Organized explanation? Limit theory makes perfect sense and no sense. Why do you want something organized? People think I got this from somewhere. I am only telling people my perception of reality, I am completely opened to new experience and that is how you can advance your happiness. I also see people saying use self-reflection and I am to my full extent if you wish to try and help just be as specific as you possibly can. If you want to find out more look up solution focused therapy and Carl Rogers. But wait me limiting myself to you is unethical? The basic rules I personally live by are All matter is equal Question everything There are no absolutes Think without limits This in itself is a structure, and that is what makes structures useful, its a way to help express yourself, to organize. Remember there are no absolutes. All matter is equal, what is that supposed to mean? And I am quite sure most of science would tell you there are plenty of absolutes. The Questioning and constant thinking principles sound good though. Lets look at Quantum physics and General relativity. Quantum physics is baffling scientist because its unpredictable. But when matter works together and limits itself to groups the universe makes sense. Why? Are they setting limits on themselves? That's why I think all matter is equal, it is all from a source, but what is that source and how many sources are there? And maybe quantum is wrong and is not the right way to unify relativity with the standard model. Just because it is being developed now though doesn't mean quantum could not become much more predictable once it is further refined. Your theory on the other hand has no empirical basis. What level is your understanding of physics at out of curiosity? Quantum physics is one of the most rigorously tested theories that we have and it has passed every test. If anything, our models about the rest of reality must conform to it. It is very well understood but not at all intuitive.
I know that, I was simply stating a possible explanation for why a theory would seem unpredictable. Hence why I ended my post asking him just how much he knows about physics.
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On January 20 2013 12:08 Solarsail wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 12:02 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:On January 20 2013 11:57 ECHOZs wrote:On January 20 2013 11:47 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:On January 20 2013 11:33 ECHOZs wrote:On January 20 2013 11:24 obesechicken13 wrote:
So I don't really understand the OP and I'm not sure if he was serious. Where is an organized explanation for "limit theory"? Organized explanation? Limit theory makes perfect sense and no sense. Why do you want something organized? People think I got this from somewhere. I am only telling people my perception of reality, I am completely opened to new experience and that is how you can advance your happiness. I also see people saying use self-reflection and I am to my full extent if you wish to try and help just be as specific as you possibly can. If you want to find out more look up solution focused therapy and Carl Rogers. But wait me limiting myself to you is unethical? The basic rules I personally live by are All matter is equal Question everything There are no absolutes Think without limits This in itself is a structure, and that is what makes structures useful, its a way to help express yourself, to organize. Remember there are no absolutes. All matter is equal, what is that supposed to mean? And I am quite sure most of science would tell you there are plenty of absolutes. The Questioning and constant thinking principles sound good though. Lets look at Quantum physics and General relativity. Quantum physics is baffling scientist because its unpredictable. But when matter works together and limits itself to groups the universe makes sense. Why? Are they setting limits on themselves? That's why I think all matter is equal, it is all from a source, but what is that source and how many sources are there? And maybe quantum is wrong and is not the right way to unify relativity with the standard model. Just because it is being developed now though doesn't mean quantum could not become much more predictable once it is further refined. Your theory on the other hand has no empirical basis. What level is your understanding of physics at out of curiosity? Quantum physics is one of the most rigorously tested theories that we have and it has passed every test. If anything, our models about the rest of reality must conform to it. It is very well understood but not at all intuitive.
What does this mean? Are you using the word "models" deliberately, in that that which does not model correctly is the only thing that quantum physics is not to be applied to?
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Guys, I am afraid you are trolled by one of the best trolls I have seen in a while. Any more troll-ier, he will probably live under a bridge and eat little children.
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What the fuck did I just read? The darkside of metaphysics...
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On January 20 2013 12:17 Fus Ro Dah wrote:
Guys, I am afraid you are trolled by one of the best trolls I have seen in a while. Any more troll-ier, he will probably live under a bridge and eat little children.
I've seen better.
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On January 20 2013 12:08 Nemesis wrote:
But limits do have to exists, otherwise how are we going to define derivatives?
Unless you are talking about rational or integers, in which case limits and derivatives indeed do not exist.
Limits do exist to some and don't for others, it depends on the individual. We can use limits, such as with academic theories, what are the 3 assumptions made by those who support the big bang theory? I have another quote :D. The pessimistic complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjust the sails- William Arthur Ward, thoughts?
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5hit why you fighting bro
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Quantum theory does not magically stop working when you involve larger objects. It just becomes unfeasable to calculate stuff using it if you have to many states, thus you use other models if your problem becomes to complex, which simplify quantum effects to a mere statistic.
As a simple analogy, lets take a look at a gas. You can easily predict how one atom will behave in a vacuum (Well, you would probably need to use quantum theory to be reasonably accurate here, but for the moment lets assume it behaves completely newtonian). You can also predict how that atom behaves if it collides with another atom. Thus, you could try to predict the behaviour of a gas, which is composed of lots of single atoms colliding with each other, through that model. This would, however, be incredibly stupid, because you get absurdly large amounts of atoms, and their interaction with each other would make your equations unsolvable. But you can still describe how the gas acts, simply by using statistics to describe the whole mass of atoms instead of describing each atom on its own, which then leads to laws for ideal gases which are pretty simple.
This does not mean that the basic newtonian laws do not apply here, it just means that it is simpler to calculate the correct result using a different approach. The same is true for Quantum physics and its relation to classical physics. It is not that each only applies to a subset. Quantum physics applies to everything. But for a lot of problems, it is much simpler to use classical physics, and the result is accurate enough.
And a real problem regarding this stuff on the internet is that it is kind of a buzzword. A lot of peoples knowledge of the subject is basically "small stuff behaves weird and random", similar to how when they say "game theory" they actually mean the prisoners dilemma, and they still use it as if they knew what they are talking about. If all of your knowledge about a subject comes from it being used as a plot device in some sci-fi movie or novel by an autor whose profession is to write a good story, and who almost certainly also never studied physics, you probably should not assume that you know everything there is to know about a subject, and especially should not include it in your philosophical ideas as a proof, because that makes little sense if all you know about it is some weird abstract construct which has little to do with the actual subject.
On January 20 2013 12:12 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 12:08 Solarsail wrote:On January 20 2013 12:02 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:On January 20 2013 11:57 ECHOZs wrote:On January 20 2013 11:47 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:On January 20 2013 11:33 ECHOZs wrote:On January 20 2013 11:24 obesechicken13 wrote:
So I don't really understand the OP and I'm not sure if he was serious. Where is an organized explanation for "limit theory"? Organized explanation? Limit theory makes perfect sense and no sense. Why do you want something organized? People think I got this from somewhere. I am only telling people my perception of reality, I am completely opened to new experience and that is how you can advance your happiness. I also see people saying use self-reflection and I am to my full extent if you wish to try and help just be as specific as you possibly can. If you want to find out more look up solution focused therapy and Carl Rogers. But wait me limiting myself to you is unethical? The basic rules I personally live by are All matter is equal Question everything There are no absolutes Think without limits This in itself is a structure, and that is what makes structures useful, its a way to help express yourself, to organize. Remember there are no absolutes. All matter is equal, what is that supposed to mean? And I am quite sure most of science would tell you there are plenty of absolutes. The Questioning and constant thinking principles sound good though. Lets look at Quantum physics and General relativity. Quantum physics is baffling scientist because its unpredictable. But when matter works together and limits itself to groups the universe makes sense. Why? Are they setting limits on themselves? That's why I think all matter is equal, it is all from a source, but what is that source and how many sources are there? And maybe quantum is wrong and is not the right way to unify relativity with the standard model. Just because it is being developed now though doesn't mean quantum could not become much more predictable once it is further refined. Your theory on the other hand has no empirical basis. What level is your understanding of physics at out of curiosity? Quantum physics is one of the most rigorously tested theories that we have and it has passed every test. If anything, our models about the rest of reality must conform to it. It is very well understood but not at all intuitive. What does this mean? Are you using the word "models" deliberately, in that that which does not model correctly is the only thing that quantum physics is not to be applied to?
Everything in science is a model. The goal of scientific research is to find a model which is as simple as possible and which describes reality with the necessary accuracy. And what he is saying is that a model for a case where you do not want to directly use quantum theories to calculate something should still produce the same results, and should especially not directly conflict with quantum theory. So, basically, you can usually interpret classical physics as models that use statistics to model a lot of quantum effects together, which is accurate enough because you have so many occurences of those effects that the statistical variance is neglectable.
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On January 20 2013 12:20 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 12:17 Fus Ro Dah wrote:
Guys, I am afraid you are trolled by one of the best trolls I have seen in a while. Any more troll-ier, he will probably live under a bridge and eat little children. I've seen better.
What did he do that was better?
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On January 20 2013 12:07 crbox wrote:
Wow so much drama, kind of irrelevant to bash on the guy even though his OP is kind of all over the place
Its not irrelevant to bash me to them however, you may see no relevance, but some people do think its relevant and only they are the ones that can tell us why its relevant.
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One quote I like is from Einstein. It says: "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one."
Basically, reality is subjective. You can make your own exceptions. Constants apply to every case except for when they don't.
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On January 20 2013 12:42 Spiffeh wrote:
One quote I like is from Einstein. It says: "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one."
Basically, reality is subjective. You can make your own exceptions. Constants apply to every case except for when they don't.
Oh shit never heard that before, thanks.
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On January 20 2013 12:37 ECHOZs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 12:20 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On January 20 2013 12:17 Fus Ro Dah wrote:
Guys, I am afraid you are trolled by one of the best trolls I have seen in a while. Any more troll-ier, he will probably live under a bridge and eat little children. I've seen better. What did he do that was better?
Who said anything about specifics like gender or numbers? I just said I've seen better. I never implied it was just one person or that said one person was a male.
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