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On January 20 2013 10:50 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 10:48 ECHOZs wrote:On January 20 2013 10:46 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On January 20 2013 10:45 ECHOZs wrote:On January 20 2013 10:42 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On January 20 2013 10:30 ECHOZs wrote:On January 20 2013 10:03 travis wrote:
what are your limits?
this is a made up thing, there is no 'my' to have limits. 'my limits' are a construct of the topic of your 2nd question. unless i am misunderstanding you Why did matter evolve? cause and effect Yes, but what is the source of the cause? And what does the cause represent itself? I see the cause as being what ever you want. My perception is that all matter is created equal, why? Because it all has an original source. Lets look at some comparisons in our culture. Vegans, they value animals over plants, why? What is the difference between plants and animals at its most basic level? Quantum mechanics and General Relativity the conflict, why? Because individually particles act differently, in a sense they have a mind of their own. You're setting a limit on yourself by assuming that matter is created. But seriously, your entire idea (which, who are we kidding, isn't even yours, nor is it any sort of breakthrough) is self-defeating. The refusal to set or accept limits is a limitation in-of-itself. This thread is absurdly stupid. I have a question, what is a goal? I don't know. Might I ask you the same? haha nice response I like it. I think a goal is a mental limit. For instance Major just joined a kespa team, why? What is a mental limit? Why do you assume matter was created? Are you limiting yourself by refusing to accept any limits?
Stop fucking answering questions with questions to look like you're smart. It's not fooling anyone. How old are you? It feels like you're in high school.
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[edit] SORRY I THOUGHT YOU WERE THE OP AND POSTING MORE RETARDED SHIT, TOTAL MISTAKE ON MY PART [/edit]
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On January 20 2013 10:49 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
ECHOZs what is your primary language? I might not tear your entire post apart if it's something besides English. Otherwise, your writing is about at the fifth grade level and I'm debating deconstructing it line by line.
Please don't limit yourself to what my primary language is, tear it apart if that's what you want to do. Doing is a Quantum leap from imagining- Barbara Sher
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On January 20 2013 10:51 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 10:50 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On January 20 2013 10:48 ECHOZs wrote:On January 20 2013 10:46 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On January 20 2013 10:45 ECHOZs wrote:On January 20 2013 10:42 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On January 20 2013 10:30 ECHOZs wrote:On January 20 2013 10:03 travis wrote:
what are your limits?
this is a made up thing, there is no 'my' to have limits. 'my limits' are a construct of the topic of your 2nd question. unless i am misunderstanding you Why did matter evolve? cause and effect Yes, but what is the source of the cause? And what does the cause represent itself? I see the cause as being what ever you want. My perception is that all matter is created equal, why? Because it all has an original source. Lets look at some comparisons in our culture. Vegans, they value animals over plants, why? What is the difference between plants and animals at its most basic level? Quantum mechanics and General Relativity the conflict, why? Because individually particles act differently, in a sense they have a mind of their own. You're setting a limit on yourself by assuming that matter is created. But seriously, your entire idea (which, who are we kidding, isn't even yours, nor is it any sort of breakthrough) is self-defeating. The refusal to set or accept limits is a limitation in-of-itself. This thread is absurdly stupid. I have a question, what is a goal? I don't know. Might I ask you the same? haha nice response I like it. I think a goal is a mental limit. For instance Major just joined a kespa team, why? What is a mental limit? Why do you assume matter was created? Are you limiting yourself by refusing to accept any limits? Stop fucking answering questions with questions to look like you're smart. It's not fooling anyone. How old are you? It feels like you're in high school.
Are you serious? No one is answering questions with questions. I don't know why Major joined a kespa team, I am trying to get him to answer his original question because I think he has no clue what he is talking about and he never really answered it. That's literally what he is doing. You should really read context of posts before you angrily flame them.
You should work on your manners though because all that flaming doesn't make you look smart either. In fact, it just makes you look like the very thing you accuse me of.
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So is this a troll thread or am I missing something?
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On January 20 2013 10:50 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 10:48 ECHOZs wrote:On January 20 2013 10:46 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On January 20 2013 10:45 ECHOZs wrote:On January 20 2013 10:42 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On January 20 2013 10:30 ECHOZs wrote:On January 20 2013 10:03 travis wrote:
what are your limits?
this is a made up thing, there is no 'my' to have limits. 'my limits' are a construct of the topic of your 2nd question. unless i am misunderstanding you Why did matter evolve? cause and effect Yes, but what is the source of the cause? And what does the cause represent itself? I see the cause as being what ever you want. My perception is that all matter is created equal, why? Because it all has an original source. Lets look at some comparisons in our culture. Vegans, they value animals over plants, why? What is the difference between plants and animals at its most basic level? Quantum mechanics and General Relativity the conflict, why? Because individually particles act differently, in a sense they have a mind of their own. You're setting a limit on yourself by assuming that matter is created. But seriously, your entire idea (which, who are we kidding, isn't even yours, nor is it any sort of breakthrough) is self-defeating. The refusal to set or accept limits is a limitation in-of-itself. This thread is absurdly stupid. I have a question, what is a goal? I don't know. Might I ask you the same? haha nice response I like it. I think a goal is a mental limit. For instance Major just joined a kespa team, why? What is a mental limit? Why do you assume matter was created? Are you limiting yourself by refusing to accept any limits?
Once again these are only my opinions people looking for definite answers are only going to get upset. I just want to start a flow of communication, that's all. I think a mental limit is a goal and a goal is a mental limit, I guess I'll uncover a part of myself now, I have an education is social work and human services. Solution focused to be more specific. I assume matter is created because that's currently my perception, but lets talk it out please. Matter can never be purely created or destroyed if we use the laws of physics and science, why?
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So how does not limiting oneself deal with following: your rights end when you trample other person's rights. How is that not limiting in your absolute no limit context?
Or is this just a mental exercise?
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An incredibly pragmatic post with an incredibly non-existent point. You promote to think limitlessly, alright why don't you just say free-thinking? Instead you replace it with a synonym and call it a theory, the "Limit Theory". And beyond that you create contradictory statements (Limit theory is everything and nothing at the same time) which is supposedly used a lot to try and intrigue the reader into thinking deeply into the text. However in this case there is no point, there is no destination or conclusion that the reader can reach, paradoxes are used in text with a purpose and meaning, not used for the sake of looking good. So what I'm saying is, don't be so pompous when writing your posts it just implies that you're trying to be superior, especially when abstract thought is the subject at hand. If it was a science post I could let it past since new knowledge has some superiority upon one's mind, but imagination is not superior it is thought that isn't necessarily correct.
And oh boy, "The Essence of Existence?" I'm glad you put a question mark on that cause #@$@ this table would not be standing, imagination or "limitless" thought is most definitely not the essence of our existence, it is a part of us and part of how we are able to evolve through thinking beyond the boundaries of everyday life (invention of the wheel, steam engine etc.). Life may not be the same without it, it'd just be more systematic, like ants. Realistically the essence should be cells, the building blocks of life without it we're doomed to not exist, including in spirit and mind.
Generally, what you are promoting is a very Romantic view of life (excluding the science part) while again throwing in some nihilism and a bit of w/e the hell else you have picked up in your recent life. You are promoting the way of thinking imaginatively, broadening one's mind to assess and consider all ideas. Which... is cute, until we all become hippies.
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Yes, but what is the source of the cause?
an effect 
And what does the cause represent itself?
represent? it just is what it is. cause and effect is just how things work, it's basic nature of existence.
I see the cause as being what ever you want. My perception is that all matter is created equal, why? Because it all has an original source.
what do you mean by source. if you mean that cause and effect is a way of describing the evolution of existence and that it's all related then yeah sure. if you mean that all causes and effects are the result of a singular event then I have no idea but I doubt it.
Lets look at some comparisons in our culture. Vegans, they value animals over plants, why? What is the difference between plants and animals at its most basic level?
it's much more clear that animals have conscious experiences we can identify with, like emotions. animals clearly suffer.
Quantum mechanics and General Relativity the conflict, why? Because individually particles act differently, in a sense they have a mind of their own.
I don't know enough about this stuff to know what you are trying to say here.
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Nothing is true. Everything is permitted. Bullocks.
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On January 20 2013 10:15 imallinson wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 10:11 Yorbon wrote:On January 20 2013 10:09 ControlMonkey wrote:
I was eating some chips and thought why limit myself I can eat all of them and then I ate like a whole bag of chips yeah woo no limits you're limiting yourself to insides of the bag, you narrowminded monkey! Eat the bag itself! Yes! Eat the bag, eat everything. Eat the universe if you will. That way you can become your own limitless universe of planets, stars and stomach acid. This talking utter nonsense is easier than it looks.
Making sense is overrated. And the number of word combinations that make no sense is much greater than the ones that do. So where are you more likely to find truth?
We are like the drunken person who looks for his keys below the street light even though it's much more likely to hide under the dark shadow of gibberish.
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Well to the OP. Right now I'm reading David Hume's "An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding" for my philosophy class. I think it would help you out a lot, because it seems like you're making a lot of metaphysical claims, but the reality is you really have no basis for any of your statements because your reason is limited, and entirely based on, your experience. Far more than I previously realized.
So statements like "all matter is created equal", I don't think you have any means of obtaining this knowledge through your experience. "There are no absolutes" is an absolute statement - but this is a separate point.
The problem with thinking without limits, is that it heavily implies that you should think beyond what you know from experience. But this is the reason for a lot of self-deluded philosophy. It will just lead to unfounded statements and errors, i.e. ultimately it will just be a road to nowhere. I think you'll gain far more satisfaction from establishing the truth of things.
Unfortunately the smartest people on Earth have been working on these ideas for a long time, so its pretty hard to come up with some new discovery that goes beyond the limits that we know, whether you're talking science or epistemology. But if you read all of them, maybe, just maybe, you can add something that will meaningfully add to our limits.
Otherwise you'll end up like a crackpot lol. Just like those people on youtube with their free energy ideas, getting shot down by yours truly 
On January 20 2013 11:05 hypercube wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 10:15 imallinson wrote:On January 20 2013 10:11 Yorbon wrote:On January 20 2013 10:09 ControlMonkey wrote:
I was eating some chips and thought why limit myself I can eat all of them and then I ate like a whole bag of chips yeah woo no limits you're limiting yourself to insides of the bag, you narrowminded monkey! Eat the bag itself! Yes! Eat the bag, eat everything. Eat the universe if you will. That way you can become your own limitless universe of planets, stars and stomach acid. This talking utter nonsense is easier than it looks. Making sense is overrated. And the number of word combinations that make no sense are much greater than the ones that don't. So where are you more likely to find truth? We are like the drunken person who looks for his keys below the street light even though it's much more likely to hide under the dark shadow of gibberish.
David Byrne's album "stop making sense" is a fun illustration of the point. I remember an interview where he said that dancing isn't necessarily rational, we don't know why its fun, but we just do it because its enjoyable. Among many other things I suppose, that we can't find some fundamental, rational basis for.
Turns out cause and effect doesn't make any sense either. There is no way for our brains to rationally justify believing in it, i.e. that similar causes will lead to similar effects in the future. But oh well, it worked so far! Humans are pretty irrational when you think about it. All those emotions. Anyway that's my contribution to this weird, weird (but enjoyable) thread
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On January 20 2013 10:51 ECHOZs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 10:49 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
ECHOZs what is your primary language? I might not tear your entire post apart if it's something besides English. Otherwise, your writing is about at the fifth grade level and I'm debating deconstructing it line by line. Please don't limit yourself to what my primary language is, tear it apart if that's what you want to do. Doing is a Quantum leap from imagining- Barbara Sher
Okay, here we go. Your writing is unclear because you don't understand the basics of expository writing, which is to state something as simply as possible and not hide it behind flowery language because your point itself lacks substance and isn't really saying anything at all. Brevity is the soul of wit, and it makes it a lot easier for us to understand what you want to say.
You think you're "fostering thought" in us or something but you're just parading your idea around on a banner like those people who sit on street corners with signs telling people to "WAKE UP" because they're all not seeing the bigger picture, challenging people that walk by to provoke them into arguing then convincing himself that he's done them a service by making them think when in reality it just annoyed them. You're probably a decently smart person but you have yourself convinced that because you know a little bit about a little bit, you understand the universe better than anyone else does. Sit down, dude. You're not smarter than everyone else is, and your idea isn't brilliant by any means. In fact, I'm pretty sure most of us don't even know what your idea or point is because your writing was so horribly unclear that it couldn't really convey what your "Limit Theory" was. Can you state it in a sentence? Because heretofore you haven't.
I'll just stop here because this is just your subjective view of a subjective topic that can only be justified in an intersubjective manner. There's no right or wrong here. You can call something limiting or not limiting by your choice of words. For example, you can frame me stopping here as limiting myself from expressing my thoughts or by not limiting myself to having to fully express myself to someone I really don't think is all that intelligent over something that doesn't matter all that much to me.
ALSO I OWE GGTEMPLAR AN APOLOGY, I THOUGHT HE WAS THE OP AND THAT'S WHY I SAID HE SOUNDED LIKE HE WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL AND ASKED HIS AGE.
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Many things have limits, if we had no limits it would be so boring man, we would have nothing to improve.
But OP it's nice that you don't limit yourself and use scientific words without knowing what they are about to back-up completely non related arguments Oo
What your post is about is philosophy, not science, there is a reason those two did part ways since ancient greece.
On January 20 2013 11:03 travis wrote:Show nested quote +
Quantum mechanics and General Relativity the conflict, why? Because individually particles act differently, in a sense they have a mind of their own.
I don't know enough about this stuff to know what you are trying to say here.
don't worry he doesn't know more than you do xD
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On January 20 2013 09:53 ECHOZs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 09:51 furerkip wrote:
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Decode it.
If you can't, it's apparent you are limiting yourself. Challenge accepted. I think this is just you trying to fit in the majority in the subculture that is TL. Being a part of a group is essential and so is being your own independent person. Decoded
Oh my god...
You got it right on the mark. How did you know?
Was it perhaps a secret link between me and you?
The limits stopping both of us from forging a connection...
Did they break?
As of now, I completely agree with you, consider me your ally. This thread is the birthplace of knowledge as far as I can tell. You ignoramuses trying to defy him: explain to me how he decoded the message! No one can do that! The only way you can solve it is through a limit being broken! It WASN'T gibberish, I would know, I'm the creator of it. It was a real code.
The limits were broken.
There is no other explanation.
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I'm gonna close this thread so as to not limit myself to it. Then I'm gonna jump off a bridge so as to not limit myself to life.
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ryu, ken and the rest of the gang always break their....wait for it.....
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Also, your starting assumptions are retarded. You say shit like "CHALLENGE EVERYTHING!" but then put like 5 other things that we're just going to assume and not challenge.
Read Descarte's 6 meditations and you'll understand what it means to challenge everything. Basically, you can doubt everything but the fact that you are doubting. I think, therefore, I am.
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Yeah I just read this entire thread and I'm pretty confused. I'm gonna go to the one place where I feel truly limitless - in my dreams Good night and thx for a confusing read.
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ECHOZs i see what you are doing with this thread, but its better suited to some other environment i fear.
Most OPs on this forum are carefully constructed, well thought out pieces of work with references and full explanations.
This is more just letting your brain spill on to the internet.
I would suggest criticizing your thoughts yourself, and get used to asking the right questions, because whenever anyone else asks you a question or criticizes what you are saying, you seem to fall back on your original statement. This is an example of circular reasoning and it just isn't enough to base anything on. You seem to believe whatever it is you are trying to say (i'm not entirely sure what that is even after reading the OP a few times), and i would suggest that fact alone is enough to make you want to form some sort of reasonable logical argument to back it up...
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