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On January 20 2013 11:16 Jockmcplop wrote:
ECHOZs i see what you are doing with this thread, but its better suited to some other environment i fear.
Most OPs on this forum are carefully constructed, well thought out pieces of work with references and full explanations.
This is more just letting your brain spill on to the internet.
I would suggest criticizing your thoughts yourself, and get used to asking the right questions, because whenever anyone else asks you a question or criticizes what you are saying, you seem to fall back on your original statement. This is an example of circular reasoning and it just isn't enough to base anything on. You seem to believe whatever it is you are trying to say (i'm not entirely sure what that is even after reading the OP a few times), and i would suggest that fact alone is enough to make you want to form some sort of reasonable logical argument to back it up...
But Jock! Reasonable logical arguments are limitations!
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On January 20 2013 10:51 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 10:50 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On January 20 2013 10:48 ECHOZs wrote:On January 20 2013 10:46 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On January 20 2013 10:45 ECHOZs wrote:On January 20 2013 10:42 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On January 20 2013 10:30 ECHOZs wrote:On January 20 2013 10:03 travis wrote:
what are your limits?
this is a made up thing, there is no 'my' to have limits. 'my limits' are a construct of the topic of your 2nd question. unless i am misunderstanding you Why did matter evolve? cause and effect Yes, but what is the source of the cause? And what does the cause represent itself? I see the cause as being what ever you want. My perception is that all matter is created equal, why? Because it all has an original source. Lets look at some comparisons in our culture. Vegans, they value animals over plants, why? What is the difference between plants and animals at its most basic level? Quantum mechanics and General Relativity the conflict, why? Because individually particles act differently, in a sense they have a mind of their own. You're setting a limit on yourself by assuming that matter is created. But seriously, your entire idea (which, who are we kidding, isn't even yours, nor is it any sort of breakthrough) is self-defeating. The refusal to set or accept limits is a limitation in-of-itself. This thread is absurdly stupid. I have a question, what is a goal? I don't know. Might I ask you the same? haha nice response I like it. I think a goal is a mental limit. For instance Major just joined a kespa team, why? What is a mental limit? Why do you assume matter was created? Are you limiting yourself by refusing to accept any limits? Stop fucking answering questions with questions to look like you're smart. It's not fooling anyone. How old are you? It feels like you're in high school. User was warned for this post[edit] SORRY I THOUGHT YOU WERE THE OP AND POSTING MORE RETARDED SHIT, TOTAL MISTAKE ON MY PART [/edit]
Lol this cracked me up. What difference does it make who is making a statement? You thought it was me so you automatically picked apart what he said because you are having an emotional response to the thread and speaking with your instinct. And now you are apologizing? Why?
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On January 20 2013 11:05 radscorpion9 wrote:Well to the OP. Right now I'm reading David Hume's "An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding" for my philosophy class. I think it would help you out a lot, because it seems like you're making a lot of metaphysical claims, but the reality is you really have no basis for any of your statements because your reason is limited, and entirely based on, your experience. Far more than I previously realized. So statements like "all matter is created equal", I don't think you have any means of obtaining this knowledge through your experience. "There are no absolutes" is an absolute statement - but this is a separate point. The problem with thinking without limits, is that it heavily implies that you should think beyond what you know from experience. But this is the reason for a lot of self-deluded philosophy. It will just lead to unfounded statements and errors, i.e. ultimately it will just be a road to nowhere. I think you'll gain far more satisfaction from establishing the truth of things. Unfortunately the smartest people on Earth have been working on these ideas for a long time, so its pretty hard to come up with some new discovery that goes beyond the limits that we know, whether you're talking science or epistemology. But if you read all of them, maybe, just maybe, you can add something that will meaningfully add to our limits. Otherwise you'll end up like a crackpot lol. Just like those people on youtube with their free energy ideas, getting shot down by yours truly  Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 11:05 hypercube wrote:On January 20 2013 10:15 imallinson wrote:On January 20 2013 10:11 Yorbon wrote:On January 20 2013 10:09 ControlMonkey wrote:
I was eating some chips and thought why limit myself I can eat all of them and then I ate like a whole bag of chips yeah woo no limits you're limiting yourself to insides of the bag, you narrowminded monkey! Eat the bag itself! Yes! Eat the bag, eat everything. Eat the universe if you will. That way you can become your own limitless universe of planets, stars and stomach acid. This talking utter nonsense is easier than it looks. Making sense is overrated. And the number of word combinations that make no sense are much greater than the ones that don't. So where are you more likely to find truth? We are like the drunken person who looks for his keys below the street light even though it's much more likely to hide under the dark shadow of gibberish. David Byrne's album "stop making sense" is a fun illustration of the point. I remember an interview where he said that dancing isn't necessarily rational, we don't know why its fun, but we just do it because its enjoyable. Among many other things I suppose, that we can't find some fundamental, rational basis for. Turns out cause and effect doesn't make any sense either. There is no way for our brains to rationally justify believing in it, i.e. that similar causes will lead to similar effects in the future. But oh well, it worked so far! Humans are pretty irrational when you think about it. All those emotions. Anyway that's my contribution to this weird, weird (but enjoyable) thread
Well, I was half-joking in defending nonsense. Although it can be fun or even productive to go on a random tangent without feeling the need to justify yourself.
On your point of having no rational basis on a fundamental level: I believe that's just a product of the way rationality works. It's very hard to create something from nothing through rational means (mainly logic). When people claim they did it turns out either their logic is incorrect, their concepts are fuzzy or ultimately their premises are arbitrary.
Which is fine, there's still room for rational discourse as long as people can agree on some set of arbitrary premises.
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So I don't really understand the OP and I'm not sure if he was serious. Where is an organized explanation for "limit theory"?
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On January 20 2013 11:24 obesechicken13 wrote:
So I don't really understand the OP and I'm not sure if he was serious. Where is an organized explanation for "limit theory"?
As far as I can tell, there is none. It's something he "invented" (which is really just him muddling a bunch of intro to philosophy questions without understanding to them). He has yet to respond to any of my concerns and seems to just dodge any criticism with vague astrology-like rhetoric.
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On January 20 2013 11:24 obesechicken13 wrote:
So I don't really understand the OP and I'm not sure if he was serious. Where is an organized explanation for "limit theory"?
Organized explanation? Limit theory makes perfect sense and no sense. Why do you want something organized? People think I got this from somewhere. I am only telling people my perception of reality, I am completely opened to new experience and that is how you can advance your happiness. I also see people saying use self-reflection and I am to my full extent if you wish to try and help just be as specific as you possibly can. If you want to find out more look up solution focused therapy and Carl Rogers.
But wait me limiting myself to you is unethical?
The basic rules I personally live by are
All matter is equal
Question everything
There are no absolutes
Think without limits
This in itself is a structure, and that is what makes structures useful, its a way to help express yourself, to organize. Remember there are no absolutes.
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On January 20 2013 11:27 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 11:24 obesechicken13 wrote:
So I don't really understand the OP and I'm not sure if he was serious. Where is an organized explanation for "limit theory"? As far as I can tell, there is none. It's something he "invented" (which is really just him muddling a bunch of intro to philosophy questions without understanding to them). He has yet to respond to any of my concerns and seems to just dodge any criticism with vague astrology-like rhetoric.
You are correct it is a personal philosophy. I ask a question, what is your personal philosophy? Why don't we compare?
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i went to new york and all i got was this i went to new york and all i got was this stupid tshirt tshirt
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On January 20 2013 11:38 ControlMonkey wrote:
i went to new york and all i got was this i went to new york and all i got was this stupid tshirt tshirt
lol I heard that before, its was from the movie the game, never watched it though......limiting myself.....
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On January 20 2013 10:51 ECHOZs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 10:49 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
ECHOZs what is your primary language? I might not tear your entire post apart if it's something besides English. Otherwise, your writing is about at the fifth grade level and I'm debating deconstructing it line by line. Please don't limit yourself to what my primary language is, tear it apart if that's what you want to do. Doing is a Quantum leap from imagining- Barbara Sher
He meant what is your primary language as in "Are you able to properly express yourself in English?" because it seems like all you do is provide really vague paradoxical concepts (Like there are no absolute, which is an absolute statement itself) and avoid questions by asking others questions.
It's really great that you found "a new way of thinking" for you, and completely seriously, if this makes you a better person / a happier person, then I think it's fucking great.
On the other hand, I think you try too hard to present your opinion has a revolution. Of course we limit ourselves. Everyone. Every single person that I have met and will ever meet limits itself at least in some degrees. We limit ourselves in so many ways, bad ways a lot of time, like when we don't go see a girl because we're too shy or back off from something because "It's crazy". Maybe those times it was a bad idea to restrain ourselves.
Most of the time we restrain ourselves for pretty good reasons too. Being able to restrain yourself to do some things you wouldn't want to do is a critical skill to have in life.
Sure everyone (given that you have money, a valid passport and a head on your shoulders) could say fuck it, no more restraints, leave for Alaska and be ~free~, ever heard of Christopher McCandleless ?
+ Show Spoiler +He abandoned his whole life, money, friends, everything and just lived. There is a movie about it called "Into the Wild" which is pretty mind blowing to be honest, you probably have seen it too as it concurs pretty much perfectly with your opinion (@OP)
I personally think that restraints, or barriers, is what makes humans what we are. There are a lot of barriers in life. They can be as simple as kissing for the first time, making love for the first time or even kill a man.
Now you may think those are complete different things, and yes of course they are, but are also similar in some ways.
Before making love for the first time (which is the closest for me, never killed a man yet), without getting too much into all the details, you limit yourself to thinking "oh boy am I gonna suck, I have no clue how to get it in (lol)" but you manage to just do it (which you refer as "Not limiting yourself") and get through this "negative barrier".
On the other side though, different barriers can lead you to dark places. If an individual truly doesn't limit itself, and only obeys itself and to no other being or moral guidelines (which would be total freedom theoretically (to be debated maybe)) that person could do terrible things.
+ Show Spoiler +There's a book on the last paragraph's concept by "Patrick Senecal - Aliss" which I believe was translated in English.
(tl;dr~)
In resume, I think limiting ourselves in some ways is essential for the well-being of the society. Too much freedom would lead to anarchy and too much "mind restraint" would lead to a 1984 type society.
People need to free themselves from being unable to think by/for themselves, but at the same time some every day restraints is what makes a society what it is, working as it work. If everyone wanted to do whatever the fuck the wanted, we probably wouldn't be sitting on our chair and casually discussing philosophy through a keyboard and a monitor.
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On January 20 2013 11:33 ECHOZs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 11:24 obesechicken13 wrote:
So I don't really understand the OP and I'm not sure if he was serious. Where is an organized explanation for "limit theory"? Organized explanation? Limit theory makes perfect sense and no sense. Why do you want something organized? People think I got this from somewhere. I am only telling people my perception of reality, I am completely opened to new experience and that is how you can advance your happiness. I also see people saying use self-reflection and I am to my full extent if you wish to try and help just be as specific as you possibly can. If you want to find out more look up solution focused therapy and Carl Rogers. But wait me limiting myself to you is unethical? The basic rules I personally live by are All matter is equal Question everything There are no absolutes Think without limits This in itself is a structure, and that is what makes structures useful, its a way to help express yourself, to organize. Remember there are no absolutes.
All matter is equal, what is that supposed to mean?
And I am quite sure most of science would tell you there are plenty of absolutes.
The Questioning and constant thinking principles sound good though.
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On January 20 2013 11:33 ECHOZs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 11:24 obesechicken13 wrote:
So I don't really understand the OP and I'm not sure if he was serious. Where is an organized explanation for "limit theory"? Organized explanation? Limit theory makes perfect sense and no sense. Why do you want something organized? People think I got this from somewhere. I am only telling people my perception of reality, I am completely opened to new experience and that is how you can advance your happiness. I also see people saying use self-reflection and I am to my full extent if you wish to try and help just be as specific as you possibly can. If you want to find out more look up solution focused therapy and Carl Rogers. But wait me limiting myself to you is unethical? The basic rules I personally live by are All matter is equal Question everything There are no absolutes Think without limits This in itself is a structure, and that is what makes structures useful, its a way to help express yourself, to organize. Remember there are no absolutes.
"Question everything" is not compatible with any of the others
"There are no absolutes" is incompatible with "All matter is equal"
"basic rules I personally live by" is incompatible with "think without limits"
Please don't refer us to Carl Rogers. Person-centered therapy isn't at all what you are suggesting.
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You keep telling us that there are no absolutes then making absolute statements about how to achieve happiness
And the reason I insulted GGTemplars on accident was because I mistook his post for a continuation of your retarded post history. His post was a satire of your post style and it was hard to tell because he got the "high 16 year old who thinks he's a philosophical genius because he posts sophomoric questions" thing down to a tee.
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On January 20 2013 11:47 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 11:33 ECHOZs wrote:On January 20 2013 11:24 obesechicken13 wrote:
So I don't really understand the OP and I'm not sure if he was serious. Where is an organized explanation for "limit theory"? Organized explanation? Limit theory makes perfect sense and no sense. Why do you want something organized? People think I got this from somewhere. I am only telling people my perception of reality, I am completely opened to new experience and that is how you can advance your happiness. I also see people saying use self-reflection and I am to my full extent if you wish to try and help just be as specific as you possibly can. If you want to find out more look up solution focused therapy and Carl Rogers. But wait me limiting myself to you is unethical? The basic rules I personally live by are All matter is equal Question everything There are no absolutes Think without limits This in itself is a structure, and that is what makes structures useful, its a way to help express yourself, to organize. Remember there are no absolutes. All matter is equal, what is that supposed to mean? And I am quite sure most of science would tell you there are plenty of absolutes. The Questioning and constant thinking principles sound good though.
Lets look at Quantum physics and General relativity. Quantum physics is baffling scientist because its unpredictable. But when matter works together and limits itself to groups the universe makes sense. Why? Are they setting limits on themselves? That's why I think all matter is equal, it is all from a source, but what is that source and how many sources are there?
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On January 20 2013 11:57 ECHOZs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 11:47 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:On January 20 2013 11:33 ECHOZs wrote:On January 20 2013 11:24 obesechicken13 wrote:
So I don't really understand the OP and I'm not sure if he was serious. Where is an organized explanation for "limit theory"? Organized explanation? Limit theory makes perfect sense and no sense. Why do you want something organized? People think I got this from somewhere. I am only telling people my perception of reality, I am completely opened to new experience and that is how you can advance your happiness. I also see people saying use self-reflection and I am to my full extent if you wish to try and help just be as specific as you possibly can. If you want to find out more look up solution focused therapy and Carl Rogers. But wait me limiting myself to you is unethical? The basic rules I personally live by are All matter is equal Question everything There are no absolutes Think without limits This in itself is a structure, and that is what makes structures useful, its a way to help express yourself, to organize. Remember there are no absolutes. All matter is equal, what is that supposed to mean? And I am quite sure most of science would tell you there are plenty of absolutes. The Questioning and constant thinking principles sound good though. Lets look at Quantum physics and General relativity. Quantum physics is baffling scientist because its unpredictable. But when matter works together and limits itself to groups the universe makes sense. Why? Are they setting limits on themselves? That's why I think all matter is equal, it is all from a source, but what is that source and how many sources are there?
It's actually not baffling scientists. We've developed a computer that's available on the market now that uses quantum processing. We understand quantum physics relatively well.
Your assumptions are all retarded.
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On January 20 2013 11:49 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 11:33 ECHOZs wrote:On January 20 2013 11:24 obesechicken13 wrote:
So I don't really understand the OP and I'm not sure if he was serious. Where is an organized explanation for "limit theory"? Organized explanation? Limit theory makes perfect sense and no sense. Why do you want something organized? People think I got this from somewhere. I am only telling people my perception of reality, I am completely opened to new experience and that is how you can advance your happiness. I also see people saying use self-reflection and I am to my full extent if you wish to try and help just be as specific as you possibly can. If you want to find out more look up solution focused therapy and Carl Rogers. But wait me limiting myself to you is unethical? The basic rules I personally live by are All matter is equal Question everything There are no absolutes Think without limits This in itself is a structure, and that is what makes structures useful, its a way to help express yourself, to organize. Remember there are no absolutes. "Question everything" is not compatible with any of the others "There are no absolutes" is incompatible with "All matter is equal" "basic rules I personally live by" is incompatible with "think without limits" Please don't refer us to Carl Rogers. Person-centered therapy isn't at all what you are suggesting.
Lol this most egotistical thing I have seen in the thread. Carl Rogers had a huge impact on my life, who are you to say what I am trying and not trying to do?
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On January 20 2013 11:59 ECHOZs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 11:49 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:On January 20 2013 11:33 ECHOZs wrote:On January 20 2013 11:24 obesechicken13 wrote:
So I don't really understand the OP and I'm not sure if he was serious. Where is an organized explanation for "limit theory"? Organized explanation? Limit theory makes perfect sense and no sense. Why do you want something organized? People think I got this from somewhere. I am only telling people my perception of reality, I am completely opened to new experience and that is how you can advance your happiness. I also see people saying use self-reflection and I am to my full extent if you wish to try and help just be as specific as you possibly can. If you want to find out more look up solution focused therapy and Carl Rogers. But wait me limiting myself to you is unethical? The basic rules I personally live by are All matter is equal Question everything There are no absolutes Think without limits This in itself is a structure, and that is what makes structures useful, its a way to help express yourself, to organize. Remember there are no absolutes. "Question everything" is not compatible with any of the others "There are no absolutes" is incompatible with "All matter is equal" "basic rules I personally live by" is incompatible with "think without limits" Please don't refer us to Carl Rogers. Person-centered therapy isn't at all what you are suggesting. Lol this most egotistical thing I have seen in the thread. Carl Rogers had a huge impact on my life, who are you to say what I am trying and not trying to do?
What I'm saying is that none of your points that you are making have ANYTHING to do with Carl Rogers.
Source: I'm getting my doctorate in clinical psychology.
The most egotistical thing in this thread is you, by the way, you just haven't seen it because your perception is from your own perspective.
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On January 20 2013 11:58 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 11:57 ECHOZs wrote:On January 20 2013 11:47 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:On January 20 2013 11:33 ECHOZs wrote:On January 20 2013 11:24 obesechicken13 wrote:
So I don't really understand the OP and I'm not sure if he was serious. Where is an organized explanation for "limit theory"? Organized explanation? Limit theory makes perfect sense and no sense. Why do you want something organized? People think I got this from somewhere. I am only telling people my perception of reality, I am completely opened to new experience and that is how you can advance your happiness. I also see people saying use self-reflection and I am to my full extent if you wish to try and help just be as specific as you possibly can. If you want to find out more look up solution focused therapy and Carl Rogers. But wait me limiting myself to you is unethical? The basic rules I personally live by are All matter is equal Question everything There are no absolutes Think without limits This in itself is a structure, and that is what makes structures useful, its a way to help express yourself, to organize. Remember there are no absolutes. All matter is equal, what is that supposed to mean? And I am quite sure most of science would tell you there are plenty of absolutes. The Questioning and constant thinking principles sound good though. Lets look at Quantum physics and General relativity. Quantum physics is baffling scientist because its unpredictable. But when matter works together and limits itself to groups the universe makes sense. Why? Are they setting limits on themselves? That's why I think all matter is equal, it is all from a source, but what is that source and how many sources are there? It's actually not baffling scientists. We've developed a computer that's available on the market now that uses quantum processing. We understand quantum physics relatively well. Your assumptions are all retarded.
If anyone says he can think about quantum physics without getting giddy, that only shows he doesn't understand the first thing about it- Niels Bohr
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On January 20 2013 11:57 ECHOZs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 11:47 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:On January 20 2013 11:33 ECHOZs wrote:On January 20 2013 11:24 obesechicken13 wrote:
So I don't really understand the OP and I'm not sure if he was serious. Where is an organized explanation for "limit theory"? Organized explanation? Limit theory makes perfect sense and no sense. Why do you want something organized? People think I got this from somewhere. I am only telling people my perception of reality, I am completely opened to new experience and that is how you can advance your happiness. I also see people saying use self-reflection and I am to my full extent if you wish to try and help just be as specific as you possibly can. If you want to find out more look up solution focused therapy and Carl Rogers. But wait me limiting myself to you is unethical? The basic rules I personally live by are All matter is equal Question everything There are no absolutes Think without limits This in itself is a structure, and that is what makes structures useful, its a way to help express yourself, to organize. Remember there are no absolutes. All matter is equal, what is that supposed to mean? And I am quite sure most of science would tell you there are plenty of absolutes. The Questioning and constant thinking principles sound good though. Lets look at Quantum physics and General relativity. Quantum physics is baffling scientist because its unpredictable. But when matter works together and limits itself to groups the universe makes sense. Why? Are they setting limits on themselves? That's why I think all matter is equal, it is all from a source, but what is that source and how many sources are there?
And maybe quantum is wrong and is not the right way to unify relativity with the standard model. Just because it is being developed now though doesn't mean quantum could not become much more predictable once it is further refined. Your theory on the other hand has no empirical basis. What level is your understanding of physics at out of curiosity?
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