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But isn't saying there are no limits also a limitation? Therefore the best course of action is to limit our unlimitedness, would it not?
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On January 20 2013 12:46 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 12:37 ECHOZs wrote:On January 20 2013 12:20 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On January 20 2013 12:17 Fus Ro Dah wrote:
Guys, I am afraid you are trolled by one of the best trolls I have seen in a while. Any more troll-ier, he will probably live under a bridge and eat little children. I've seen better. What did he do that was better? Who said anything about specifics like gender or numbers? I just said I've seen better. I never implied it was just one person or that said one person was a male.
Haha that was a great explanation.
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On January 20 2013 12:03 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 12:01 ECHOZs wrote:On January 20 2013 11:58 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:On January 20 2013 11:57 ECHOZs wrote:On January 20 2013 11:47 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:On January 20 2013 11:33 ECHOZs wrote:On January 20 2013 11:24 obesechicken13 wrote:
So I don't really understand the OP and I'm not sure if he was serious. Where is an organized explanation for "limit theory"? Organized explanation? Limit theory makes perfect sense and no sense. Why do you want something organized? People think I got this from somewhere. I am only telling people my perception of reality, I am completely opened to new experience and that is how you can advance your happiness. I also see people saying use self-reflection and I am to my full extent if you wish to try and help just be as specific as you possibly can. If you want to find out more look up solution focused therapy and Carl Rogers. But wait me limiting myself to you is unethical? The basic rules I personally live by are All matter is equal Question everything There are no absolutes Think without limits This in itself is a structure, and that is what makes structures useful, its a way to help express yourself, to organize. Remember there are no absolutes. All matter is equal, what is that supposed to mean? And I am quite sure most of science would tell you there are plenty of absolutes. The Questioning and constant thinking principles sound good though. Lets look at Quantum physics and General relativity. Quantum physics is baffling scientist because its unpredictable. But when matter works together and limits itself to groups the universe makes sense. Why? Are they setting limits on themselves? That's why I think all matter is equal, it is all from a source, but what is that source and how many sources are there? It's actually not baffling scientists. We've developed a computer that's available on the market now that uses quantum processing. We understand quantum physics relatively well. Your assumptions are all retarded. If anyone says he can think about quantum physics without getting giddy, that only shows he doesn't understand the first thing about it- Niels Bohr Niels Bohr died in 1962. It's been half a century since then. Stop quoting other people to make yourself look smart.
Also, wasn't that Feynmann?
BTW, there's no duality between quantum/non quantum. It's just that our maths isn't good enough yet to simulate relativity stuff with quantum mechanics yet. Stuff doesn't magically decide to not be quantum once enough of them gather together, classical mechanics are a result of probability theory founded on quantum.
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I have another question, what is empathy? Is it a universal trait?
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If our brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn´t.
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On January 20 2013 13:12 DaCruise wrote:
If our brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn´t.
I like this, I like this alot.
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On January 20 2013 13:14 ECHOZs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 13:12 DaCruise wrote:
If our brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn´t. I like this, I like this alot.
Taken from Civ 5 and the developers obviously got it from somewhere else.
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On January 20 2013 13:15 DaCruise wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 13:14 ECHOZs wrote:On January 20 2013 13:12 DaCruise wrote:
If our brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn´t. I like this, I like this alot. Taken from Civ 5 and the developers obviously got it from somewhere else.
I have a question, is the original source of information relevant? When I first saw that I assumed it was your original statement, and it in fact is. You are using it in a new environment and putting it into the world for others to learn from and putting your own unique perspective/influence in the way you communicate it, thank you.
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On January 20 2013 12:12 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 12:08 Solarsail wrote:On January 20 2013 12:02 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:On January 20 2013 11:57 ECHOZs wrote:On January 20 2013 11:47 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:On January 20 2013 11:33 ECHOZs wrote:On January 20 2013 11:24 obesechicken13 wrote:
So I don't really understand the OP and I'm not sure if he was serious. Where is an organized explanation for "limit theory"? Organized explanation? Limit theory makes perfect sense and no sense. Why do you want something organized? People think I got this from somewhere. I am only telling people my perception of reality, I am completely opened to new experience and that is how you can advance your happiness. I also see people saying use self-reflection and I am to my full extent if you wish to try and help just be as specific as you possibly can. If you want to find out more look up solution focused therapy and Carl Rogers. But wait me limiting myself to you is unethical? The basic rules I personally live by are All matter is equal Question everything There are no absolutes Think without limits This in itself is a structure, and that is what makes structures useful, its a way to help express yourself, to organize. Remember there are no absolutes. All matter is equal, what is that supposed to mean? And I am quite sure most of science would tell you there are plenty of absolutes. The Questioning and constant thinking principles sound good though. Lets look at Quantum physics and General relativity. Quantum physics is baffling scientist because its unpredictable. But when matter works together and limits itself to groups the universe makes sense. Why? Are they setting limits on themselves? That's why I think all matter is equal, it is all from a source, but what is that source and how many sources are there? And maybe quantum is wrong and is not the right way to unify relativity with the standard model. Just because it is being developed now though doesn't mean quantum could not become much more predictable once it is further refined. Your theory on the other hand has no empirical basis. What level is your understanding of physics at out of curiosity? Quantum physics is one of the most rigorously tested theories that we have and it has passed every test. If anything, our models about the rest of reality must conform to it. It is very well understood but not at all intuitive. What does this mean? Are you using the word "models" deliberately, in that that which does not model correctly is the only thing that quantum physics is not to be applied to?
As in, general relativity is a model that makes good predictions right now. But, we know it's not compatible with quantum mechanics. Therefore it is wrong.
Or, string theory. To be viable it must predict absolutely everything quantum mechanics does right now. If it cannot then it should be discarded.
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On January 20 2013 13:23 Solarsail wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 12:12 farvacola wrote:On January 20 2013 12:08 Solarsail wrote:On January 20 2013 12:02 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:On January 20 2013 11:57 ECHOZs wrote:On January 20 2013 11:47 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:On January 20 2013 11:33 ECHOZs wrote:On January 20 2013 11:24 obesechicken13 wrote:
So I don't really understand the OP and I'm not sure if he was serious. Where is an organized explanation for "limit theory"? Organized explanation? Limit theory makes perfect sense and no sense. Why do you want something organized? People think I got this from somewhere. I am only telling people my perception of reality, I am completely opened to new experience and that is how you can advance your happiness. I also see people saying use self-reflection and I am to my full extent if you wish to try and help just be as specific as you possibly can. If you want to find out more look up solution focused therapy and Carl Rogers. But wait me limiting myself to you is unethical? The basic rules I personally live by are All matter is equal Question everything There are no absolutes Think without limits This in itself is a structure, and that is what makes structures useful, its a way to help express yourself, to organize. Remember there are no absolutes. All matter is equal, what is that supposed to mean? And I am quite sure most of science would tell you there are plenty of absolutes. The Questioning and constant thinking principles sound good though. Lets look at Quantum physics and General relativity. Quantum physics is baffling scientist because its unpredictable. But when matter works together and limits itself to groups the universe makes sense. Why? Are they setting limits on themselves? That's why I think all matter is equal, it is all from a source, but what is that source and how many sources are there? And maybe quantum is wrong and is not the right way to unify relativity with the standard model. Just because it is being developed now though doesn't mean quantum could not become much more predictable once it is further refined. Your theory on the other hand has no empirical basis. What level is your understanding of physics at out of curiosity? Quantum physics is one of the most rigorously tested theories that we have and it has passed every test. If anything, our models about the rest of reality must conform to it. It is very well understood but not at all intuitive. What does this mean? Are you using the word "models" deliberately, in that that which does not model correctly is the only thing that quantum physics is not to be applied to? As in, general relativity is a model that makes good predictions right now. But, we know it's not compatible with quantum mechanics. Therefore it is wrong. Or, string theory. To be viable it must predict absolutely everything quantum mechanics does right now. If it cannot then it should be discarded.
I feel like you really get what I'm saying, thanks for speaking your mind. Everyone is always in the search of a unifying theory, is searching for it itself limiting the search?
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On January 20 2013 13:19 ECHOZs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 13:15 DaCruise wrote:On January 20 2013 13:14 ECHOZs wrote:On January 20 2013 13:12 DaCruise wrote:
If our brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn´t. I like this, I like this alot. Taken from Civ 5 and the developers obviously got it from somewhere else. I have a question, is the original source of information relevant? When I first saw that I assumed it was your original statement, and it in fact is. You are using it in a new environment and putting it into the world for others to learn from and putting your own unique perspective/influence in the way you communicate it, thank you.
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I read the first bit about matter being equal and the part of me that enjoys physics was disappointed.
So called 'limits' are absolutely necessary to have rational thought and discussion. Everything, over time, dissolves into disorder. Thoughts are no exception to this. Words, definitions of words, etc. are used to define and organize thought that would otherwise be disordered and useless to progress. Sure, sometimes thinking of random crap and digging deeper and deeper into, constantly asking "why?" to each thought over and over, can be somewhat enjoyable, but it's mostly useless. I've never taken hallucinogenic drugs, ever, but I would imagine the sensation one would get from using such substances is similar to "free flowing limitless thought."
On January 20 2013 13:12 ECHOZs wrote:
I have another question, what is empathy? Is it a universal trait?
All humans, around the world, have been shown to have empathy. Empathy, as in the ability to mirror the perceived emotional state of someone, or in some cases, something else. Sociopaths and young children do not exhibit empathy. Some animals, elephants for one, have shown to exhibit empathy as well.
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On January 20 2013 13:23 Solarsail wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 12:12 farvacola wrote:On January 20 2013 12:08 Solarsail wrote:On January 20 2013 12:02 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:On January 20 2013 11:57 ECHOZs wrote:On January 20 2013 11:47 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:On January 20 2013 11:33 ECHOZs wrote:On January 20 2013 11:24 obesechicken13 wrote:
So I don't really understand the OP and I'm not sure if he was serious. Where is an organized explanation for "limit theory"? Organized explanation? Limit theory makes perfect sense and no sense. Why do you want something organized? People think I got this from somewhere. I am only telling people my perception of reality, I am completely opened to new experience and that is how you can advance your happiness. I also see people saying use self-reflection and I am to my full extent if you wish to try and help just be as specific as you possibly can. If you want to find out more look up solution focused therapy and Carl Rogers. But wait me limiting myself to you is unethical? The basic rules I personally live by are All matter is equal Question everything There are no absolutes Think without limits This in itself is a structure, and that is what makes structures useful, its a way to help express yourself, to organize. Remember there are no absolutes. All matter is equal, what is that supposed to mean? And I am quite sure most of science would tell you there are plenty of absolutes. The Questioning and constant thinking principles sound good though. Lets look at Quantum physics and General relativity. Quantum physics is baffling scientist because its unpredictable. But when matter works together and limits itself to groups the universe makes sense. Why? Are they setting limits on themselves? That's why I think all matter is equal, it is all from a source, but what is that source and how many sources are there? And maybe quantum is wrong and is not the right way to unify relativity with the standard model. Just because it is being developed now though doesn't mean quantum could not become much more predictable once it is further refined. Your theory on the other hand has no empirical basis. What level is your understanding of physics at out of curiosity? Quantum physics is one of the most rigorously tested theories that we have and it has passed every test. If anything, our models about the rest of reality must conform to it. It is very well understood but not at all intuitive. What does this mean? Are you using the word "models" deliberately, in that that which does not model correctly is the only thing that quantum physics is not to be applied to? As in, general relativity is a model that makes good predictions right now. But, we know it's not compatible with quantum mechanics. Therefore it is wrong. Or, string theory. To be viable it must predict absolutely everything quantum mechanics does right now. If it cannot then it should be discarded.
You do realize scientists are trying to reconcile quantum so that it works with relativity right? Because at the moment we do not have a fully developed theory of quantum gravity that is as accurate as relativity. I think you are ignoring the possibility that they could both be partially wrong.
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On January 20 2013 13:37 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 13:23 Solarsail wrote:On January 20 2013 12:12 farvacola wrote:On January 20 2013 12:08 Solarsail wrote:On January 20 2013 12:02 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:On January 20 2013 11:57 ECHOZs wrote:On January 20 2013 11:47 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:On January 20 2013 11:33 ECHOZs wrote:On January 20 2013 11:24 obesechicken13 wrote:
So I don't really understand the OP and I'm not sure if he was serious. Where is an organized explanation for "limit theory"? Organized explanation? Limit theory makes perfect sense and no sense. Why do you want something organized? People think I got this from somewhere. I am only telling people my perception of reality, I am completely opened to new experience and that is how you can advance your happiness. I also see people saying use self-reflection and I am to my full extent if you wish to try and help just be as specific as you possibly can. If you want to find out more look up solution focused therapy and Carl Rogers. But wait me limiting myself to you is unethical? The basic rules I personally live by are All matter is equal Question everything There are no absolutes Think without limits This in itself is a structure, and that is what makes structures useful, its a way to help express yourself, to organize. Remember there are no absolutes. All matter is equal, what is that supposed to mean? And I am quite sure most of science would tell you there are plenty of absolutes. The Questioning and constant thinking principles sound good though. Lets look at Quantum physics and General relativity. Quantum physics is baffling scientist because its unpredictable. But when matter works together and limits itself to groups the universe makes sense. Why? Are they setting limits on themselves? That's why I think all matter is equal, it is all from a source, but what is that source and how many sources are there? And maybe quantum is wrong and is not the right way to unify relativity with the standard model. Just because it is being developed now though doesn't mean quantum could not become much more predictable once it is further refined. Your theory on the other hand has no empirical basis. What level is your understanding of physics at out of curiosity? Quantum physics is one of the most rigorously tested theories that we have and it has passed every test. If anything, our models about the rest of reality must conform to it. It is very well understood but not at all intuitive. What does this mean? Are you using the word "models" deliberately, in that that which does not model correctly is the only thing that quantum physics is not to be applied to? As in, general relativity is a model that makes good predictions right now. But, we know it's not compatible with quantum mechanics. Therefore it is wrong. Or, string theory. To be viable it must predict absolutely everything quantum mechanics does right now. If it cannot then it should be discarded. You do realize scientists are trying to reconcile quantum so that it works with relativity right? Because at the moment we do not have a fully developed theory of quantum gravity that is as accurate as relativity. I think you are ignoring the possibility that they could both be partially wrong.
Out of the two, General Relativity is more likely to be incorrect. Measurements supporting quantum mechanics are more precise and easier to make than Relativity. But you're completely right that either could be wrong or at most, both could be.
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On January 20 2013 13:40 Kishin2 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 13:37 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:On January 20 2013 13:23 Solarsail wrote:On January 20 2013 12:12 farvacola wrote:On January 20 2013 12:08 Solarsail wrote:On January 20 2013 12:02 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:On January 20 2013 11:57 ECHOZs wrote:On January 20 2013 11:47 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote:On January 20 2013 11:33 ECHOZs wrote:On January 20 2013 11:24 obesechicken13 wrote:
So I don't really understand the OP and I'm not sure if he was serious. Where is an organized explanation for "limit theory"? Organized explanation? Limit theory makes perfect sense and no sense. Why do you want something organized? People think I got this from somewhere. I am only telling people my perception of reality, I am completely opened to new experience and that is how you can advance your happiness. I also see people saying use self-reflection and I am to my full extent if you wish to try and help just be as specific as you possibly can. If you want to find out more look up solution focused therapy and Carl Rogers. But wait me limiting myself to you is unethical? The basic rules I personally live by are All matter is equal Question everything There are no absolutes Think without limits This in itself is a structure, and that is what makes structures useful, its a way to help express yourself, to organize. Remember there are no absolutes. All matter is equal, what is that supposed to mean? And I am quite sure most of science would tell you there are plenty of absolutes. The Questioning and constant thinking principles sound good though. Lets look at Quantum physics and General relativity. Quantum physics is baffling scientist because its unpredictable. But when matter works together and limits itself to groups the universe makes sense. Why? Are they setting limits on themselves? That's why I think all matter is equal, it is all from a source, but what is that source and how many sources are there? And maybe quantum is wrong and is not the right way to unify relativity with the standard model. Just because it is being developed now though doesn't mean quantum could not become much more predictable once it is further refined. Your theory on the other hand has no empirical basis. What level is your understanding of physics at out of curiosity? Quantum physics is one of the most rigorously tested theories that we have and it has passed every test. If anything, our models about the rest of reality must conform to it. It is very well understood but not at all intuitive. What does this mean? Are you using the word "models" deliberately, in that that which does not model correctly is the only thing that quantum physics is not to be applied to? As in, general relativity is a model that makes good predictions right now. But, we know it's not compatible with quantum mechanics. Therefore it is wrong. Or, string theory. To be viable it must predict absolutely everything quantum mechanics does right now. If it cannot then it should be discarded. You do realize scientists are trying to reconcile quantum so that it works with relativity right? Because at the moment we do not have a fully developed theory of quantum gravity that is as accurate as relativity. I think you are ignoring the possibility that they could both be partially wrong. Out of the two, General Relativity is more likely to be incorrect. Measurements supporting quantum mechanics are more precise and easier to make than Relativity. But you're completely right that either could be wrong or at most, both could be.
I am aware, I am just annoyed by people who worship quantum like its something divine and infallible, and anything that we cannot currently get to fit in with it must be wrong.
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On January 20 2013 13:32 Kishin2 wrote:I read the first bit about matter being equal and the part of me that enjoys physics was disappointed. So called 'limits' are absolutely necessary to have rational thought and discussion. Everything, over time, dissolves into disorder. Thoughts are no exception to this. Words, definitions of words, etc. are used to define and organize thought that would otherwise be disordered and useless to progress. Sure, sometimes thinking of random crap and digging deeper and deeper into, constantly asking "why?" to each thought over and over, can be somewhat enjoyable, but it's mostly useless. I've never taken hallucinogenic drugs, ever, but I would imagine the sensation one would get from using such substances is similar to "free flowing limitless thought." Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 13:12 ECHOZs wrote:
I have another question, what is empathy? Is it a universal trait? All humans, around the world, have been shown to have empathy. Empathy, as in the ability to mirror the perceived emotional state of someone, or in some cases, something else. Sociopaths and young children do not exhibit empathy. Some animals, elephants for one, have shown to exhibit empathy as well.
Great post, you helped me alot with this one. I am going to describe my current perception of reality now, I do that, as you probably see by reading the thread, rather haphazardly, why do I do it? I have a rational explanation for everything, why, its because I'm being as honest, genuine, and as real I can with myself, I am improvising, not thinking about what to say but simply saying what I feel. "Fuck the world" many people say they live this way but really they are being limited. Now I'm going to randomly name off people who I perceive as genuine, you will know who some of them, but no all, why? Because no one has experienced what I personally have experianced. I guess I'll try to use some alot of you may be familar as aswell, cough no limits cough. Here goes, Incontrol, 2gd, jp, sase, nani, idra, juan cole, noam chomsky, normin finkelstein, amy goodman, JOHN ZORN. I just ask everyone to improvise I learned how from John Zorn.
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What the hell is this bullcrap?
This looks like something a senior philosophy student in my class would write - plain absolute gibberish.
I don't think you have the basic idea what theorizing or existence or essence means.
Read more, the world is far bigger than you think.
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On January 20 2013 13:50 Friedrich Nietzsche wrote:
What the hell is this bullcrap?
This looks like something a senior philosophy student in my class would write - plain absolute gibberish.
I don't think you have the basic idea what theorizing or existence or essence means.
Read more, the world is far bigger than you think.
Your philosophy department isn't doing its job if it's this bad at the senior level.
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On January 20 2013 13:19 ECHOZs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 13:15 DaCruise wrote:On January 20 2013 13:14 ECHOZs wrote:On January 20 2013 13:12 DaCruise wrote:
If our brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn´t. I like this, I like this alot. Taken from Civ 5 and the developers obviously got it from somewhere else. I have a question, is the original source of information relevant? When I first saw that I assumed it was your original statement, and it in fact is. You are using it in a new environment and putting it into the world for others to learn from and putting your own unique perspective/influence in the way you communicate it, thank you.
Please somebody shoot me.
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On January 20 2013 13:52 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 13:50 Friedrich Nietzsche wrote:
What the hell is this bullcrap?
This looks like something a senior philosophy student in my class would write - plain absolute gibberish.
I don't think you have the basic idea what theorizing or existence or essence means.
Read more, the world is far bigger than you think. Your philosophy department isn't doing its job if that is the case.
The irony is astounding considering his user name lol.
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