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On December 13 2012 22:21 sc4k wrote:
Wait, was he actually acquitted?
Yeah full acquittal. The case was easy, as the counter represents both a figurative and literal interpretation of "stepping over the line."
He had all the right in the world to protect himself, I could have seen him using lethal means and still walking away. If this McDonalds worker was a woman with a gun and two men jumped the counter, if she shot them both she would have been a hero on the news.
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I think its interesting how nobody in that mcdonalds was helping the guy behind the counter. How can they allow them to jump the counter and why has he to fight 1vs2?
I think even professional security guys always try to get the superior numbers to fight someone and pin them down.
I find it a bit hypocritical that this girl starts screaming when a guy hits women that assault him but does nothing when 2 women attack one guy and corner him.
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Well they got what they asked for in my opinion! I would have done just the same..
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Clearly self defense, possibly excessive.
I don't see why McDonald's fired him, when a customer jumps the counter they're no longer a customer.
What outcome would McD's have wanted, just let them clean out the cash registers to avoid some bad press???
McD's seems negligent for lack of security training/equipment in a 24hr facility.
Drunks get rowdy and there should be a security guard or a taser.
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On December 13 2012 22:29 gyth wrote:
Clearly self defense, possibly excessive.
I don't see why McDonald's fired him, when a customer jumps the counter they're no longer a customer.
What outcome would McD's have wanted, just let them clean out the cash registers to avoid some bad press???
McD's seems negligent for lack of security training/equipment in a 24hr facility.
Drunks get rowdy and there should be a security guard or a taser.
Yeah actually thats exactly what they wanted.
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Of course the females we're wrong that's something that everybody agree's on. But the guy wasn't alone in there and he shouldn't have reacted that fierce.
He snapped and went on a rampage almost hitting his fellow colleges, and that IMO cancels the self-defense part. If he were alone and no one around him to help then his actions would be a more normal action to do.
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Stupid bitches vs uncontrollable impulsive employee. Not really sure what were are supposed to discuss here as both parties are unarguably wrong.
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It's hard to tell from the video what was really going on, how hard the girls slapped him, more precisely how they attacked him behind the counter, what kind of metal pole he was using and how badly he struck them with it. With that said it certainly looks like he's using excessive violence while 'defending himself', but I guess the jury thought otherwise. I'm just hoping the jury didn't acquit solely based on the flawed "the girls started it" kind of argument.
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So funny reading comments about high'n mighty typist on the internet, saying people should "man" up and just easily push them away with one arm, possible fucking another chick with a big ass american pornstar smile flexing his biceps.
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On December 13 2012 22:20 Ficetool wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2012 22:15 Latham wrote:On December 13 2012 22:12 Ficetool wrote:On December 13 2012 22:08 Latham wrote:On December 13 2012 22:00 Jojo131 wrote:On December 13 2012 21:54 Latham wrote:
This seems like sensationalist bull, rather than news...
He should have just easily overpowered them and pushed them away.... Maybe its just my inner white-boy calling, but I can't imagine overpowering two women who (judging by the video) are as big as I am, get a grip. Then maybe your inner white-boy should man up, put on at least a lil bit of muscle, try to keep a level head. They weren't men, they weren't strength athletes, just 2 ghetto bitches trying to act high n mighty. Instead of picking up a weapon slam them into the nearest wall with your innate man strength. while the other one may draw a knife while you do so and stab you? I am glad you are not jumping to conclusions you see fit but fully thought this through. /sarcasm Did you see a firearm? Did you see a knife? No? Well then don't use objects yourself. He panicked and used excessive force, it's understandable and even excusable, but that doesn't make it any more right. I don't use objects. I simply tell you, that telling others how they should have reacted when you have no clue of the circumstances (as you don't see whats happening) OR the given situation ( you do not know about weapons either) is stupid. "Use your innate man strength"? - You don't know about waepons "try to keep a level head"? - When you can possibly get stabbed in the next few seconds? I never said anything about right or wrong, this is you clamining I do so. I don't judge the situation as I have no clue what happend behind the counter. All I say is that I can understand why the guy reacted the way he did...whether it was right or wrong is for the jury to decide, who knows all the facts.
And what, I said I don't understand? I said it was excessive not that I don't understand why he did it.
Did noone ever teach you to THINK before doing something?
Yeah when adrenaline kicks in, and your life's in danger it's only "YOU OR THEM" going through your head. That also goes through an animal's head. The difference is, you can foresee consequences. When you pick up an object you should be aware you can END LIFE with it.
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On December 13 2012 22:31 endy wrote:
Stupid bitches vs uncontrollable impulsive employee. Not really sure what were are supposed to discuss here as both parties are unarguably wrong.
Well the girls started the issue first.
No idea why they verbally abused him just because he was checking the money.
I guess they were retarded?
Plus,they were the one who attacked him first.
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I didn't like how he continued hitting them while they were down. But on the other hand, we don't know what they did behind the counter either. For all we known they could have been biting his legs or whatever.
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I hate how females have gotten this dogmatism that they shouldn't allowed to be hit. I actually slapped my girlfriend across the face the other day because she slapped me. I a girl attacks me, I'll attack back, even if males are genetically stronger.
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Well, the law is sterile like that. I dont think there is a way to OVER protect yourself so he could have beaten them to death quite easily and not been touched by the law either.
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Wow quality video, the women are the aggressors then I'm trying to not be sexist and imagine them as men and this doesnt seem that bad, either way if people hit red mist then they often don't know when to stop
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Difference betwwen that guy and anyone here on TL: ENORMOUS. Why are we even discussing this? We don't know if he kept hitting them because they were still fighting or not. We don't know if those girls were on drugs or not. We would need to check the actual case records, but I don't think we have access to that though the internet, so again... why are we discussing this. So probably your previous thread was closed on those grounds.
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I think its ok he hit them maybe once, or till they were down/moving away/being submissive, but hitting after they are down you better be sure that they are a serious danger to you. Also bitches will be bitches.
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On December 13 2012 22:25 Medrea wrote:Yeah full acquittal. The case was easy, as the counter represents both a figurative and literal interpretation of "stepping over the line." He had all the right in the world to protect himself, I could have seen him using lethal means and still walking away. If this McDonalds worker was a woman with a gun and two men jumped the counter, if she shot them both she would have been a hero on the news.
Okay interesting. I wasn't saying wait as in 'what the fuck' I mean I just couldn't actually see where they said there was an acquittal I thought it just said charges dropped. In English law there are two separate questions, the first is objective: 'did the person in question actually believe they were under attack or in imminent danger of an attack?'. The second is subjective: 'was the response rendered reasonable, taking into account the panic of the moment and the fact that it's hard to make these decisions under pressure?'.
The general rule is that you can do pretty much anything until they stop being a threat...but if you pause, and they are unconscious or have broken bones or are writhing around in agony or just are clearly not a threat, and THEN you smash them up some more...that's usually considered going too far, and you will face the full punishment of the law for whatever damage you incur. I think that makes sense. The video is kinda hard to make out but it does look like he pauses, backs off, then goes back in to smash them up some more. If that is so then I think he should have been convicted, if not, then it's fair he wasn't.
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On December 13 2012 22:37 TiTanIum_ wrote:
Difference betwwen that guy and anyone here on TL: ENORMOUS. Why are we even discussing this? We don't know if he kept hitting them because they were still fighting or not. We don't know if those girls were on drugs or not. We would need to check the actual case records, but I don't think we have access to that though the internet, so again... why are we discussing this. So probably your previous thread was closed on those grounds.
it wasn't my thread
and it was closed because it only contains a video and some description
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I dunno, if you jump a counter and start attacking a cashier, you risk being shot. Maybe not at McD's in new york but if you pulled that shit at a late night variety store in lots of places in america, there's a very good chance you'd be meeting a gun.
Those girls should consider themselves lucky. I don't blame the guy for losing it, He tried to retreat first and was pursued. I have a feeling a lot of women think they can get away with being crazy/violent, but this is a world of gender equality and that means if you pick a fight with someone bigger than you, you might get some bones broken.
I'm sure his response could have shown more control but you can't really expect someone to exercise discretion when they get assaulted and chased down when they try to back off.
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