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If the events that led up to this incident are as the article describes, then the two people who assaulted the employee should consider themselves lucky that a metal pipe was the most convenient method of self defense available and that they get to walk away from the situation alive.
You assault someone and they walk away rather than retaliate and you continue to pursue them... You have no right to complain if you are shot in the face at that moment IMO.
That said, thankfully the situation didn't get that drastic, but once the woman was on the ground and the threat had clearly stopped, continuing to beat her was definitely a reversal of roles and now he was the one assaulting someone who wasn't fighting back. I don't blame him, as they did it to him first and it would be incredibly hard to maintain your judgement in that situation, but that is the line where you step past self defense and into revenge. :/ He probably should be held responsible for some portion of the medical expenses.
Gender is completely irrelevant. This wasn't a domestic dispute.
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His reaction seemed justified until both women hit the floor, then he should have stopped. Everything after ~38 seconds is obviously excessive in relation to self-defense. The most troubling thing after they go to the ground is that there are moments of hesitation before he continues hitting them, indicative of conscious decision making.
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On December 13 2012 22:37 TiTanIum_ wrote:
Difference betwwen that guy and anyone here on TL: ENORMOUS. Why are we even discussing this? We don't know if he kept hitting them because they were still fighting or not. We don't know if those girls were on drugs or not. We would need to check the actual case records, but I don't think we have access to that though the internet, so again... why are we discussing this. So probably your previous thread was closed on those grounds.
In most of this cases it leaves us on a Stereotype vs Non-stereotype pov discussion.
About the case. The thing is only a people with certain experience can deal with stressful situations like that without it ending it up controversial. You can't expect that from any cashier in McD. Generally places like that should have hired security guards who are trained to not let it end up this way.
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I enjoyed that video. Yes, he was excessive, but in my opinion, people who behave like that deserve it. I mean, what the hell is wrong with you if you attack someone for following a store policy that won't affect you at all if the money is real?
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Well if you corner a scared dog or cat they will snap either ...
This is just a basic instict, if a certain animal (and screw religions, I'm considering us as animals) gets cornered, show submission and is still attacked the result wouldnt be different on the nature
edit: sorry english not main language
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I like this. Girls were asking for it. If I was in that situation, I probably wouldn't have gone that far, but I still would have beat the shit out of them. Vagina or no vagina, you attack me physically and I will retaliate.
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On December 13 2012 22:40 sc4k wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2012 22:25 Medrea wrote:On December 13 2012 22:21 sc4k wrote:
Wait, was he actually acquitted? Yeah full acquittal. The case was easy, as the counter represents both a figurative and literal interpretation of "stepping over the line." He had all the right in the world to protect himself, I could have seen him using lethal means and still walking away. If this McDonalds worker was a woman with a gun and two men jumped the counter, if she shot them both she would have been a hero on the news. Okay interesting. I wasn't saying wait as in 'what the fuck' I mean I just couldn't actually see where they said there was an acquittal I thought it just said charges dropped. In English law there are two separate questions, the first is objective: 'did the person in question actually believe they were under attack or in imminent danger of an attack?'. The second is subjective: 'was the response rendered reasonable, taking into account the panic of the moment and the fact that it's hard to make these decisions under pressure?'. The general rule is that you can do pretty much anything until they stop being a threat...but if you pause, and they are unconscious or have broken bones or are writhing around in agony or just are clearly not a threat, and THEN you smash them up some more...that's usually considered going too far, and you will face the full punishment of the law for whatever damage you incur. I think that makes sense. The video is kinda hard to make out but it does look like he pauses, backs off, then goes back in to smash them up some more. If that is so then I think he should have been convicted, if not, then it's fair he wasn't.
I could go either way with that, since I believe the law allows him to make the judgement on whether or not they are a threat. Generally speaking jury's are pretty smart so, Im thinking they figured that one out.
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Netherlands45349 Posts
Reminds me of the
´´you wanna be treated like a man ill hit you like a man´´
good for the employee.
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I cant tell if after they were down they tried to get up again because if you try to get up after just attacking me twice you are getting hit again because taking the chance they go for round 3 is not a chance im willing to take when there are 2 of them who clearly showed they wanted to fight.
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On December 13 2012 22:13 Jojo131 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2012 22:12 rEalGuapo wrote:On December 13 2012 22:11 Jojo131 wrote:On December 13 2012 22:07 WhiteDog wrote:
The things is, the man is fleeing at first, and then grab a pole and defend himself almost in the kitchen so I'd say, even if he went a little to far into beating them (the threat of the pole should have been enough to make those bitches back off) I can understand that, in the context, with the shame of getting insulted by two bitches while doing a work nobody can be proud of, he lost himself and hit a little too much. On the other hand, him 'fleeing' could also mean "Bitch u stay right there, ima be right back with my pole to smack you up" Or it simply means kittens... Way too deep for me to understand.
Simply did the same thing as you.
I mean if him "fleeing" could also mean "Bitch u stay right there, ima be right back with my pole to smack you up" then it could just as well mean kittens. Or mean the purpose of existence.
However I am pretty sure it just meant fleeing.
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Dude is a pussy straight up. He's surrounded by males that are yelling "no no no" and going to break it up and the girls are unarmed.
They were obviously hostile so I could have seen a slap or a punch, but beating them to a bloody pulp with a deadly weapon while they're on the ground?
The dude obviously shouldn't go to jail because he was being assaulted, but Mcdonalds even fired him because they know he's a punk.
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It was totally justified in my opinion. Yes He beated them pretty badly and the last hits was probably unneccesary. You have to remember that it's easy to sit here and analyze the situation afterwards and say stuff like "he should have stopped" and so on. In the heat of the moment he probably was scared and pretty high on adrenaline. Shit could have gone alot worse.
And I dont feel a single shred of sympathy for the 2 girls. Wtf were they doing jumping over the counter..
I acctually have a friend who basically did the samething, he was very drunk though. He jumped over the counter and tried to get some icecream when the personel were not looking. They threw him out and called the police and stuff.
Not really in the same league as this stuff, but it was pretty funny to watch 
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Pity he didn't kill them to stop them breeding.
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The white girl screaming made it horrifying even more.
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Women ask for equality, that's pretty much it.
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what is your obession with this video? i seen the last thread you tried to open about it. it's old.
that guy spent 10 years in jail for manslaughter, the way he beat those women like 10 fucking times when they were on the ground was excessive. anyone who can't see that is as psycho as him and the women that attacked him.
it wasn't self defense after the first few hits.
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On December 13 2012 22:55 Epoch wrote:
what is your obession with this video? i seen the last thread you tried to open about it. it's old.
that guy spent 10 years in jail for manslaughter, the way he beat those women like 10 fucking times when they were on the ground was excessive. anyone who can't see that is as psycho as him and the women that attacked him.
it wasn't self defense after the first few hits.
It's easy to judge that he went too far from an observer's point of view. He kept attacking because he went into frenzy, which is normal if taken into account how the two women were disrespecting him.
In theory, if he stopped beating them earlier, they probably would have retaliated.
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So let's say taht you were the black dude that got attacked, what would you do ? Your co workers are running away and aren't helping you while 2 crazy black bitches are chasing you in the kitchen. You don't know if those two "girls" had a knife or a pistol in their pocket, you don't pay attention for a second and you are on a trip to the graveyard. The only way to be safe would be to put her on the ground and wait the police, well, that's what he did. He CLEARLY told them to stay down and they didn't so he hit them again.
You want to be treated equally to a man ? Here is your treatment.
Deal with it.
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Interesting that the DA withdrew charges. Wonder why they were merciful here
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