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Now it is a full blown scandal...
WASHINGTON -- A top aide to President Trump announced Wednesday he's resigning. Staff secretary Rob Porter, who handled paperwork going to and from the president's desk, has been accused of abuse by two of his ex-wives. Porter says the accusations are false.
At first, the White House aggressively defended Porter, with chief of staff John Kelly calling him "a man of true integrity and honor." Press secretary Sarah Sanders said Porter "has been effective" and retained "the full confidence" of the president.
Kelly released a statement late Wednesday backing up his previous comment about Porter.
"I was shocked by the new allegations released today against Rob Porter," he told reporters. "There is no place for domestic violence in our society. I stand by my previous comments of the Rob Porter that I have come to know since becoming Chief of Staff, and believe every individual deserves the right to defend their reputation. I accepted his resignation earlier today, and will ensure a swift and orderly transition."
Despite the defense, everything collapsed as detailed allegations and documents emerged that depicted physical and verbal abuse allegedly suffered by two of Porter's ex-wives, Jennifer Willoughby and Colbie Holderness.
In a June 2010 statement to authorities in Arlington, Virginia, Willoughby said Porter punched the glass on their front door. "I called the police," she wrote. "I was afraid he would break in."
Willoughby wrote on Instagram in April 2017: "Just after our one-year anniversary, he pulled me, naked and dripping, from the shower to yell at me ... When I tried to get help, I was counseled to consider carefully how what I said might affect his career. And so I kept my mouth shut and stayed."
On Wednesday's press briefing, Sanders said Porter is "going to be leaving the White House."
"It won't be immediate," Sanders said. "He is resigning from the White House but is going to stay on to ensure that there is a smooth transition."
Porter called the allegations "outrageous" and "simply false."
As staff secretary, Porter was one of Mr. Trump's closest aides, acting as the conduit for all written information given to the president. Porter previously worked for Utah Republican Sen. Orrin Hatch.
Two sources with knowledge of the situation tell CBS News the FBI informed the White House in November about the domestic abuse allegations against Porter. It's unclear how the White House responded to this information.
White House communications director Hope Hicks, who CBS News has confirmed is dating Porter, played a significant role in drafting the statements by Kelly and Sanders in response to the allegations.
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On February 08 2018 01:03 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2018 00:36 Leporello wrote:
On the parade, it's certainly putting the cart before the horse. It would be a blatant, hard-to-deny politicization of the military. You need an occasion. A military parade without occasion -- that's what makes it feel like something out of the Red Square.
America can do military parades, and does them all the time. It's called Memorial Day.
This is actually an insult to Memorial Day -- which rightfully holds the mantle for military parades. IDC about the politics. Let this be a one-time only affair. Let Trump have his Dear Leader moment, then this useless insult needs to be put to rest, permanently. My brother died in Afghanistan. Parades are for him. Not political rapists.
If the streets of DC can't handle the vehicles I can't think how the parade could happen. I mean they could drive Humvees around but that's not that exciting.
Actually there's a misconception here that a +60 ton tank, for example, would always visibly damage paved streets. It's not necessarily true as there are rubber pads or inserts that can be used on the tracks to spread the weight of the tracks. Also it depends on the asphalt itself.
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What... no way.
Oklahoma taxpayers are fed up.
Riding high on the oil boom of the late 2000s, the state followed the Kansas model and slashed taxes. But the promised prosperity never came. In many cases, it was just the opposite.
Around 20 percent of Oklahoma's schools now hold classes just four days a week. Last year, highway patrol officers were given a mileage limit because the state couldn't afford to put gas in their tanks. Medicaid provider rates have been cut to the point that rural nursing homes and hospitals are closing, and the prisons are so full that the director of corrections says they're on the brink of a crisis.
In her State of the State address Monday, Gov. Mary Fallin expressed the state's frustration.
"We have two clear choices," she said. "We can continue down a path of sliding backwards, or we can choose the second path, which is to say 'Enough is enough! We can do better! We deserve better! Our children deserve better, too!'"
Many of the tax cuts and subsequent revenue failures have happened on Fallin's watch. Now she wants to fix it and she's gotten behind a large coalition of business leaders who have come up with a plan to raise taxes and enact reforms.
"It's math," said banker David Rainbolt, a leader of the group known as Step Up Oklahoma. "You can look at the problems we have and realize that there's not sustainable revenue going forward. This problem will occur over and over and over again in a commodity-based economy like ours unless we create revenue streams that create stability."
But there's a problem. When you pass a tax cut in the state of Oklahoma, it may as well be permanent. In the early 1990s, in reaction to a tax increase, voters passed a ballot measure requiring 75% of the legislature to vote in favor of any revenue hike.
This year, that supermajority requirement has given the tiny Democratic minority in Oklahoma the power to derail any plan. And even though the Step Up scheme meets many of their demands, House Minority Leader Steve Kouplen thinks it's just not enough.
"A drowning man will grab any lifeline, whether it's a good one or not," he said. "One has been thrown to us. We think it needs to be tweaked, and we think some true compromise needs to take place to change it."
Democrats believe oil and gas companies have gotten rich while poor Oklahomans have borne the brunt of the cuts to state services. The Step Up plan, they say, doesn't do enough to protect the poor from paying to fix a mess they didn't make.
Rainbolt and the bipartisan business coalition that introduced the compromise plan say the state is in a mess and there's no easy way to fix it. They point to the fact that when they created the plan, business leaders from competing industries sat down at a table to find a solution and everyone had to give.
"We'd created something that no one in the room liked every part of but that everybody in the room agreed would move us forward." Rainbolt said. "We thought it was salable to the legislature, and it appears that it is."
But the spirit of compromise hasn't reached lawmakers yet. They're now in their second special session trying to pass a budget for the current fiscal year.
Lobbying is fierce for the Step Up plan that is supposed to provide a more permanent revenue fix and leaders in the legislature say they're hoping to vote on it next week. So far, the Democratic minority in the Oklahoma House of Representatives says it needs more work before they'll vote in favor.
At this point, the gridlock continues.
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The tea party experiment of wishing for revenue to appear seems to be running its course.
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On February 08 2018 21:07 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:What... no way. Show nested quote +Oklahoma taxpayers are fed up.
Riding high on the oil boom of the late 2000s, the state followed the Kansas model and slashed taxes. But the promised prosperity never came. In many cases, it was just the opposite.
Around 20 percent of Oklahoma's schools now hold classes just four days a week. Last year, highway patrol officers were given a mileage limit because the state couldn't afford to put gas in their tanks. Medicaid provider rates have been cut to the point that rural nursing homes and hospitals are closing, and the prisons are so full that the director of corrections says they're on the brink of a crisis.
In her State of the State address Monday, Gov. Mary Fallin expressed the state's frustration.
"We have two clear choices," she said. "We can continue down a path of sliding backwards, or we can choose the second path, which is to say 'Enough is enough! We can do better! We deserve better! Our children deserve better, too!'"
Many of the tax cuts and subsequent revenue failures have happened on Fallin's watch. Now she wants to fix it and she's gotten behind a large coalition of business leaders who have come up with a plan to raise taxes and enact reforms.
"It's math," said banker David Rainbolt, a leader of the group known as Step Up Oklahoma. "You can look at the problems we have and realize that there's not sustainable revenue going forward. This problem will occur over and over and over again in a commodity-based economy like ours unless we create revenue streams that create stability."
But there's a problem. When you pass a tax cut in the state of Oklahoma, it may as well be permanent. In the early 1990s, in reaction to a tax increase, voters passed a ballot measure requiring 75% of the legislature to vote in favor of any revenue hike.
This year, that supermajority requirement has given the tiny Democratic minority in Oklahoma the power to derail any plan. And even though the Step Up scheme meets many of their demands, House Minority Leader Steve Kouplen thinks it's just not enough.
"A drowning man will grab any lifeline, whether it's a good one or not," he said. "One has been thrown to us. We think it needs to be tweaked, and we think some true compromise needs to take place to change it."
Democrats believe oil and gas companies have gotten rich while poor Oklahomans have borne the brunt of the cuts to state services. The Step Up plan, they say, doesn't do enough to protect the poor from paying to fix a mess they didn't make.
Rainbolt and the bipartisan business coalition that introduced the compromise plan say the state is in a mess and there's no easy way to fix it. They point to the fact that when they created the plan, business leaders from competing industries sat down at a table to find a solution and everyone had to give.
"We'd created something that no one in the room liked every part of but that everybody in the room agreed would move us forward." Rainbolt said. "We thought it was salable to the legislature, and it appears that it is."
But the spirit of compromise hasn't reached lawmakers yet. They're now in their second special session trying to pass a budget for the current fiscal year.
Lobbying is fierce for the Step Up plan that is supposed to provide a more permanent revenue fix and leaders in the legislature say they're hoping to vote on it next week. So far, the Democratic minority in the Oklahoma House of Representatives says it needs more work before they'll vote in favor.
At this point, the gridlock continues. Source I mean, the Democrat is right. You get this one chance and if its not enough and you try to do more there will be a lot more resistance.
The real question, if he is right that the current plan is not enough, can't be answered from the article.
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Frankly, seeing Democrats act with some spine is refreshing, merits of the current Oklahoma reform plan notwithstanding.
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On February 08 2018 21:28 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2018 21:07 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:What... no way. Oklahoma taxpayers are fed up.
Riding high on the oil boom of the late 2000s, the state followed the Kansas model and slashed taxes. But the promised prosperity never came. In many cases, it was just the opposite.
Around 20 percent of Oklahoma's schools now hold classes just four days a week. Last year, highway patrol officers were given a mileage limit because the state couldn't afford to put gas in their tanks. Medicaid provider rates have been cut to the point that rural nursing homes and hospitals are closing, and the prisons are so full that the director of corrections says they're on the brink of a crisis.
In her State of the State address Monday, Gov. Mary Fallin expressed the state's frustration.
"We have two clear choices," she said. "We can continue down a path of sliding backwards, or we can choose the second path, which is to say 'Enough is enough! We can do better! We deserve better! Our children deserve better, too!'"
Many of the tax cuts and subsequent revenue failures have happened on Fallin's watch. Now she wants to fix it and she's gotten behind a large coalition of business leaders who have come up with a plan to raise taxes and enact reforms.
"It's math," said banker David Rainbolt, a leader of the group known as Step Up Oklahoma. "You can look at the problems we have and realize that there's not sustainable revenue going forward. This problem will occur over and over and over again in a commodity-based economy like ours unless we create revenue streams that create stability."
But there's a problem. When you pass a tax cut in the state of Oklahoma, it may as well be permanent. In the early 1990s, in reaction to a tax increase, voters passed a ballot measure requiring 75% of the legislature to vote in favor of any revenue hike.
This year, that supermajority requirement has given the tiny Democratic minority in Oklahoma the power to derail any plan. And even though the Step Up scheme meets many of their demands, House Minority Leader Steve Kouplen thinks it's just not enough.
"A drowning man will grab any lifeline, whether it's a good one or not," he said. "One has been thrown to us. We think it needs to be tweaked, and we think some true compromise needs to take place to change it."
Democrats believe oil and gas companies have gotten rich while poor Oklahomans have borne the brunt of the cuts to state services. The Step Up plan, they say, doesn't do enough to protect the poor from paying to fix a mess they didn't make.
Rainbolt and the bipartisan business coalition that introduced the compromise plan say the state is in a mess and there's no easy way to fix it. They point to the fact that when they created the plan, business leaders from competing industries sat down at a table to find a solution and everyone had to give.
"We'd created something that no one in the room liked every part of but that everybody in the room agreed would move us forward." Rainbolt said. "We thought it was salable to the legislature, and it appears that it is."
But the spirit of compromise hasn't reached lawmakers yet. They're now in their second special session trying to pass a budget for the current fiscal year.
Lobbying is fierce for the Step Up plan that is supposed to provide a more permanent revenue fix and leaders in the legislature say they're hoping to vote on it next week. So far, the Democratic minority in the Oklahoma House of Representatives says it needs more work before they'll vote in favor.
At this point, the gridlock continues. Source I mean, the Democrat is right. You get this one chance and if its not enough and you try to do more there will be a lot more resistance. The real question, if he is right that the current plan is not enough, can't be answered from the article.
I was still boggled by the bizarre law that tax cuts can be approved by a simple majority, but tax increases need a 75% supermajority. How dumb do you have to be to not realize that at some point that will cause problems? Either that or Oklahoma has a majority of libertarians (who are their own brand of stupid, but then at least you can see this furthering their ideological cause).
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On February 08 2018 21:39 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2018 21:28 Gorsameth wrote:On February 08 2018 21:07 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:What... no way. Oklahoma taxpayers are fed up.
Riding high on the oil boom of the late 2000s, the state followed the Kansas model and slashed taxes. But the promised prosperity never came. In many cases, it was just the opposite.
Around 20 percent of Oklahoma's schools now hold classes just four days a week. Last year, highway patrol officers were given a mileage limit because the state couldn't afford to put gas in their tanks. Medicaid provider rates have been cut to the point that rural nursing homes and hospitals are closing, and the prisons are so full that the director of corrections says they're on the brink of a crisis.
In her State of the State address Monday, Gov. Mary Fallin expressed the state's frustration.
"We have two clear choices," she said. "We can continue down a path of sliding backwards, or we can choose the second path, which is to say 'Enough is enough! We can do better! We deserve better! Our children deserve better, too!'"
Many of the tax cuts and subsequent revenue failures have happened on Fallin's watch. Now she wants to fix it and she's gotten behind a large coalition of business leaders who have come up with a plan to raise taxes and enact reforms.
"It's math," said banker David Rainbolt, a leader of the group known as Step Up Oklahoma. "You can look at the problems we have and realize that there's not sustainable revenue going forward. This problem will occur over and over and over again in a commodity-based economy like ours unless we create revenue streams that create stability."
But there's a problem. When you pass a tax cut in the state of Oklahoma, it may as well be permanent. In the early 1990s, in reaction to a tax increase, voters passed a ballot measure requiring 75% of the legislature to vote in favor of any revenue hike.
This year, that supermajority requirement has given the tiny Democratic minority in Oklahoma the power to derail any plan. And even though the Step Up scheme meets many of their demands, House Minority Leader Steve Kouplen thinks it's just not enough.
"A drowning man will grab any lifeline, whether it's a good one or not," he said. "One has been thrown to us. We think it needs to be tweaked, and we think some true compromise needs to take place to change it."
Democrats believe oil and gas companies have gotten rich while poor Oklahomans have borne the brunt of the cuts to state services. The Step Up plan, they say, doesn't do enough to protect the poor from paying to fix a mess they didn't make.
Rainbolt and the bipartisan business coalition that introduced the compromise plan say the state is in a mess and there's no easy way to fix it. They point to the fact that when they created the plan, business leaders from competing industries sat down at a table to find a solution and everyone had to give.
"We'd created something that no one in the room liked every part of but that everybody in the room agreed would move us forward." Rainbolt said. "We thought it was salable to the legislature, and it appears that it is."
But the spirit of compromise hasn't reached lawmakers yet. They're now in their second special session trying to pass a budget for the current fiscal year.
Lobbying is fierce for the Step Up plan that is supposed to provide a more permanent revenue fix and leaders in the legislature say they're hoping to vote on it next week. So far, the Democratic minority in the Oklahoma House of Representatives says it needs more work before they'll vote in favor.
At this point, the gridlock continues. Source I mean, the Democrat is right. You get this one chance and if its not enough and you try to do more there will be a lot more resistance. The real question, if he is right that the current plan is not enough, can't be answered from the article. I was still boggled by the bizarre law that tax cuts can be approved by a simple majority, but tax increases need a 75% supermajority. How dumb do you have to be to not realize that at some point that will cause problems? Either that or Oklahoma has a majority of libertarians (who are their own brand of stupid, but then at least you can see this furthering their ideological cause).
That's a really weird conception of democracy, too. I'm surprised a rule like that is even constitutionally possible. How do you just decide that from now you need 75% - which means you don't - to do this or that?
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Making up ridiculous rules about how taxes are to be increased or decreased isn't libertarian, it's Republican orthodoxy from back in the 90s. Look up Grover Norquist and how his pathetically stupid ideas took root during the beginnings of the Clinton administration.
As for the Constitutionality of those kinds of rules, legislatures are granted close to plenary power over the government's taxing power and that all of these states are able to basically shoot themselves a la Oklahoma and Kansas is a natural consequence. Some state constitutions provide more stricture, but most do not, and the federal constitution has had its teeth relative to state's rights mostly sawed down by conservative jurisprudence starting in the early-mid 70s exemplified by cases like Edelman v. Jordan.
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Look up the Arkansas tax system some time if you wanna see a real nightmare. No economist, conservative or liberal, would sign onto their plan.
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while I'm not familiar with it; the article states that it was a ballot measure by voters; states with ballot measure laws generally give them primacy over acts of the legislature, and in some cases it means it's an amendment to the state constitution.
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I agree with the bullshit artist. Let nature take it's course, let's thin this crazy ass herd out.
A Texas evangelist preacher and member of Donald Trump’s faith advisory council told parishioners to skip the flu shot in favor of prayer, inviting scorn from concerned medical professionals and epidemiologists.
“Jesus himself gave us the flu shot,” Gloria Copeland said in a video posted last Wednesday that has slowly begun to go viral, no pun intended, after some observers highlighted Copeland’s ties to Trump.
“Just keep saying that ‘I’ll never have the flu. I’ll never have the flu,’” she continued. “Inoculate yourself with the word of God. Flu, I bind you off the people in the name of Jesus. Jesus himself gave us the flu shot. He redeemed us from the curse of flu.”
Copeland’s advice is standard fare in the charismatic Christian tradition, but is also medically unsound as the US faces its worst flu epidemic in a decade.
“So far this year the cumulative rate of hospitalization is the highest since we began tracking in this way,” Dr Anne Schuchat, acting director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), told reporters late last week after the rate climbed above 50 per 100,000. Schuchat is less than a week on the job after Trump’s prior CDC director, Dr Brenda Fitzgerald, resigned over financial conflicts of interest.
This year’s tough strain of influenza has hit children especially hard. Sixteen children died of the flu in the week ended 27 January, bringing total pediatric deaths to 53 for the season, according to the CDC’s weekly report.
Medical professionals advise that flu shots are an important part of a holistic prevention strategy, even though this year’s vaccine has been calculated at an effective rate of as low as 10%. Health workers often report that misconceptions about the flu vaccine actually causing or contributing to the outbreak (it doesn’t) can stymie their efforts to fight the bug.
Also, empirically more helpful than appeals to providence or, for some, relying on the social media rumor mill: frequent hand-washing and staying home when sick.
Trump’s faith advisory council is a veritable who’s who of rightwing televangelists. It has stuck with him while he has had to disband two business advisory councils and an infrastructure panel due to defections by key members.
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On February 08 2018 22:00 farvacola wrote:
Making up ridiculous rules about how taxes are to be increased or decreased isn't libertarian, it's Republican orthodoxy from back in the 90s. Look up Grover Norquist and how his pathetically stupid ideas took root during the beginnings of the Clinton administration.
As for the Constitutionality of those kinds of rules, legislatures are granted close to plenary power over the government's taxing power and that all of these states are able to basically shoot themselves a la Oklahoma and Kansas is a natural consequence. Some state constitutions provide more stricture, but most do not, and the federal constitution has had its teeth relative to state's rights mostly sawed down by conservative jurisprudence starting in the early-mid 70s exemplified by cases like Edelman v. Jordan.
So, could someone make laws with a simple majority, and then make a law (still with that simple majority) that requires 100% of the votes to change that to change any laws, including the one that requires 100% of the votes for changes?
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Theoretically, I think that might actually pass muster, but each state's constitution may have a safeguard against something so absurd. Typically, however, the safeguard against that kind of thing is supposed to be electoral feedback, but with how gerrymandering has taken hold, we see how that can be peeled away.
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On February 08 2018 22:00 farvacola wrote:
Making up ridiculous rules about how taxes are to be increased or decreased isn't libertarian, it's Republican orthodoxy from back in the 90s. Look up Grover Norquist and how his pathetically stupid ideas took root during the beginnings of the Clinton administration.
As for the Constitutionality of those kinds of rules, legislatures are granted close to plenary power over the government's taxing power and that all of these states are able to basically shoot themselves a la Oklahoma and Kansas is a natural consequence. Some state constitutions provide more stricture, but most do not, and the federal constitution has had its teeth relative to state's rights mostly sawed down by conservative jurisprudence starting in the early-mid 70s exemplified by cases like Edelman v. Jordan.
We have a law in MA that requires a vote to raise local taxes by more than 2.5%. It has resulted in a bunch of rural towns having their schools being thrown into state receivership because the tax increased to repair the schools would just get voted down. The elementary school I went to was condemned by the state after a 10 year fight to build a new school.
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On February 08 2018 20:05 Nixer wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2018 01:03 Doodsmack wrote:On February 08 2018 00:36 Leporello wrote:On the parade, it's certainly putting the cart before the horse. It would be a blatant, hard-to-deny politicization of the military. You need an occasion. A military parade without occasion -- that's what makes it feel like something out of the Red Square. America can do military parades, and does them all the time. It's called Memorial Day. This is actually an insult to Memorial Day -- which rightfully holds the mantle for military parades. IDC about the politics. Let this be a one-time only affair. Let Trump have his Dear Leader moment, then this useless insult needs to be put to rest, permanently. My brother died in Afghanistan. Parades are for him. Not political rapists. https://twitter.com/ColMorrisDavis/status/961200213309444096 If the streets of DC can't handle the vehicles I can't think how the parade could happen. I mean they could drive Humvees around but that's not that exciting. Actually there's a misconception here that a +60 ton tank, for example, would always visibly damage paved streets. It's not necessarily true as there are rubber pads or inserts that can be used on the tracks to spread the weight of the tracks. Also it depends on the asphalt itself.
Even if it decreases the lifespan of the streets that’s actually pretty egregious co spidering the state of dc traffic.
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On February 08 2018 22:33 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:I agree with the bullshit artist. Let nature take it's course, let's thin this crazy ass herd out. Show nested quote +A Texas evangelist preacher and member of Donald Trump’s faith advisory council told parishioners to skip the flu shot in favor of prayer, inviting scorn from concerned medical professionals and epidemiologists.
“Jesus himself gave us the flu shot,” Gloria Copeland said in a video posted last Wednesday that has slowly begun to go viral, no pun intended, after some observers highlighted Copeland’s ties to Trump.
“Just keep saying that ‘I’ll never have the flu. I’ll never have the flu,’” she continued. “Inoculate yourself with the word of God. Flu, I bind you off the people in the name of Jesus. Jesus himself gave us the flu shot. He redeemed us from the curse of flu.”
Copeland’s advice is standard fare in the charismatic Christian tradition, but is also medically unsound as the US faces its worst flu epidemic in a decade.
“So far this year the cumulative rate of hospitalization is the highest since we began tracking in this way,” Dr Anne Schuchat, acting director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), told reporters late last week after the rate climbed above 50 per 100,000. Schuchat is less than a week on the job after Trump’s prior CDC director, Dr Brenda Fitzgerald, resigned over financial conflicts of interest.
This year’s tough strain of influenza has hit children especially hard. Sixteen children died of the flu in the week ended 27 January, bringing total pediatric deaths to 53 for the season, according to the CDC’s weekly report.
Medical professionals advise that flu shots are an important part of a holistic prevention strategy, even though this year’s vaccine has been calculated at an effective rate of as low as 10%. Health workers often report that misconceptions about the flu vaccine actually causing or contributing to the outbreak (it doesn’t) can stymie their efforts to fight the bug.
Also, empirically more helpful than appeals to providence or, for some, relying on the social media rumor mill: frequent hand-washing and staying home when sick.
Trump’s faith advisory council is a veritable who’s who of rightwing televangelists. It has stuck with him while he has had to disband two business advisory councils and an infrastructure panel due to defections by key members. Source
If these idiots were only hurting themselves, I would agree with the natural selection approach.
Unfortunately, many children are being harmed by their stupid parents, and many other people rely on herd immunity as well. These anti-vaxxer/ anti-medicine morons aren't only killing themselves.
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So I just noticed the expected outrage for that Dodge Ram commercial didn’t really materialize. A few articles here and there, more critical than supportive but both being out there, and rather than apologizing Dodge defended it. None of that aggressive public outcry and PR disaster as expected. I guess we all decided to focus on some other spectacle instead.
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On February 09 2018 00:26 LegalLord wrote:
So I just noticed the expected outrage for that Dodge Ram commercial didn’t really materialize. A few articles here and there, more critical than supportive but both being out there, and rather than apologizing Dodge defended it. None of that aggressive public outcry and PR disaster as expected. I guess we all decided to focus on some other spectacle instead.
What commercial? And why should it have been controversial?
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