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On February 08 2018 05:00 Introvert wrote:
As far as I recall the deal McConnel made was that if no deal went through by the 8th they would move the DACA debate to more normal procedures. The possibility of no deal was baked in. So it's a risk for both sides, but considering that Democrats clearly don't actually care about Dreamers but want to grandstand (see Pelosi, Nancy), there will be no deal.
Meanwhile
i appreciate the insider perspective of brietbart spin, always good to know what kind of nonsense people can believe.
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On February 08 2018 05:08 brian wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2018 05:00 Introvert wrote:As far as I recall the deal McConnel made was that if no deal went through by the 8th they would move the DACA debate to more normal procedures. The possibility of no deal was baked in. So it's a risk for both sides, but considering that Democrats clearly don't actually care about Dreamers but want to grandstand (see Pelosi, Nancy), there will be no deal. Meanwhile https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/961299438873513984 i appreciate the insider perspective of brietbart spin, always good to know what kind of nonsense people can believe.
What are you referring to? Thanks for that though, I'm not sure the last time I clicked a Breitbart link. But I'm glad you've dismissed it out of hand.
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On February 08 2018 05:18 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2018 05:08 brian wrote:On February 08 2018 05:00 Introvert wrote:As far as I recall the deal McConnel made was that if no deal went through by the 8th they would move the DACA debate to more normal procedures. The possibility of no deal was baked in. So it's a risk for both sides, but considering that Democrats clearly don't actually care about Dreamers but want to grandstand (see Pelosi, Nancy), there will be no deal. Meanwhile https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/961299438873513984 i appreciate the insider perspective of brietbart spin, always good to know what kind of nonsense people can believe. What are you referring to? Thanks for that though, I'm not sure the last time I clicked a Breitbart link. But I'm glad you've dismissed it out of hand.
I would assume he's referring to your extremely partisan and incorrect interpretation of reality, but also possibly to the tweet.
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On February 08 2018 05:18 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2018 05:08 brian wrote:On February 08 2018 05:00 Introvert wrote:As far as I recall the deal McConnel made was that if no deal went through by the 8th they would move the DACA debate to more normal procedures. The possibility of no deal was baked in. So it's a risk for both sides, but considering that Democrats clearly don't actually care about Dreamers but want to grandstand (see Pelosi, Nancy), there will be no deal. Meanwhile https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/961299438873513984 i appreciate the insider perspective of brietbart spin, always good to know what kind of nonsense people can believe. What are you referring to? Thanks for that though, I'm not sure the last time I clicked a Breitbart link. But I'm glad you've dismissed it out of hand.
Pretty recently I'm guessing.
http://www.breitbart.com/author/phil-kerpen/
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On February 08 2018 05:21 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2018 05:18 Introvert wrote:On February 08 2018 05:08 brian wrote:On February 08 2018 05:00 Introvert wrote:As far as I recall the deal McConnel made was that if no deal went through by the 8th they would move the DACA debate to more normal procedures. The possibility of no deal was baked in. So it's a risk for both sides, but considering that Democrats clearly don't actually care about Dreamers but want to grandstand (see Pelosi, Nancy), there will be no deal. Meanwhile https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/961299438873513984 i appreciate the insider perspective of brietbart spin, always good to know what kind of nonsense people can believe. What are you referring to? Thanks for that though, I'm not sure the last time I clicked a Breitbart link. But I'm glad you've dismissed it out of hand. Pretty recently I'm guessing. http://www.breitbart.com/author/phil-kerpen/
You should read what you post after you fire up Google. His last BB post? 2010
Good detective work. And assuming I don't know who this person is outside of that.
Meanwhile everyone is too scared to see if I was close on the shutdown deal, which I assume I am since Schumer is all happy and not bitching at McConnell.
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your recollection of the last CR is incorrect and debating with you which party cares about DREAMers and DACA is not worth considering; is what i meant. hunts had me pegged. I did indeed dismiss it out of hand, and if you want my thoughts on the deal you can read the last page.
well, i finally accidentally clicked a brietbart link. cherry popped. i feel dirtied. am i immediately an honorary Alex Jones fan or do i have to pay extra for that? do they take payment in dollars or just dignity?
LOL at your edit GH, i clicked on the literal brietbart link above while scrolling. Entirely my fault.
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On February 08 2018 05:25 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2018 05:21 GreenHorizons wrote:On February 08 2018 05:18 Introvert wrote:On February 08 2018 05:08 brian wrote:On February 08 2018 05:00 Introvert wrote:As far as I recall the deal McConnel made was that if no deal went through by the 8th they would move the DACA debate to more normal procedures. The possibility of no deal was baked in. So it's a risk for both sides, but considering that Democrats clearly don't actually care about Dreamers but want to grandstand (see Pelosi, Nancy), there will be no deal. Meanwhile https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/961299438873513984 i appreciate the insider perspective of brietbart spin, always good to know what kind of nonsense people can believe. What are you referring to? Thanks for that though, I'm not sure the last time I clicked a Breitbart link. But I'm glad you've dismissed it out of hand. Pretty recently I'm guessing. http://www.breitbart.com/author/phil-kerpen/ You should read what you post after you fire up Google. His last BB post? 2010 Good detective work. And assuming I don't know who this person is outside of that. Meanwhile everyone is too scared to see if I was close on the shutdown deal, which I assume I am since Schumer is all happy and not bitching at McConnell.
Was just having a little fun. I don't think it was a literal reference to breitbart but that segment of the population (<- recent breitbart link warning [Kerpen giving exclusive intv. to Breitbart {it's anti-net neutrality}]).
What was your take on the shutdown, I don't remember? I might agree with some of the "grandstanding" part though.
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On February 08 2018 05:35 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2018 05:25 Introvert wrote:On February 08 2018 05:21 GreenHorizons wrote:On February 08 2018 05:18 Introvert wrote:On February 08 2018 05:08 brian wrote:On February 08 2018 05:00 Introvert wrote:As far as I recall the deal McConnel made was that if no deal went through by the 8th they would move the DACA debate to more normal procedures. The possibility of no deal was baked in. So it's a risk for both sides, but considering that Democrats clearly don't actually care about Dreamers but want to grandstand (see Pelosi, Nancy), there will be no deal. Meanwhile https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/961299438873513984 i appreciate the insider perspective of brietbart spin, always good to know what kind of nonsense people can believe. What are you referring to? Thanks for that though, I'm not sure the last time I clicked a Breitbart link. But I'm glad you've dismissed it out of hand. Pretty recently I'm guessing. http://www.breitbart.com/author/phil-kerpen/ You should read what you post after you fire up Google. His last BB post? 2010 Good detective work. And assuming I don't know who this person is outside of that. Meanwhile everyone is too scared to see if I was close on the shutdown deal, which I assume I am since Schumer is all happy and not bitching at McConnell. Was just having a little fun. I don't think it was a literal reference to breitbart but that segment of the population. What was your take on the shutdown, I don't remember? I might agree with some of the "grandstanding" part though.
Since Brian is bring intentionally dense I'll say it here.
My recollection of the shutdown CR Is that the Dems agreed to it with a promise from McConnell that they would try to find a deal before the 8th, but if they didn't the matter would continue being discussed (with a vote at the end). i.e. no more shut down fights. That is why Schumer is excited (plus more spending). Meanwhile Pelosi knows it will pass the House so she can talk and talk to try to rile up the activists for 2018 (hate the Senate, not us!) while just a week or two ago she said Trump' s super generous 1.8 million person deal was trying to "make America white again" effectively ending any chance of using it as a springboard. Durbin did something similar. "Protections for Dreamers" (and A LOT of them) were handed over for a few immigration changes not affecting dreamers and the Dems threw them out. As long as the status quo benefits democrats they won't do a thing, something I think you say you are familiar with as well.
edits: lots of typos
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Considering its a verbal agreement that (as far as I know) was made in a closed meeting and not infront of a camera there is no way to find the exact terms of the 3 week deal.
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On February 08 2018 03:43 Aveng3r wrote:
How is fillibustering not illegal. It is a blatant waste of everyones time and a roadblock to progress.
I submit that you have 30 minutes to speak and after that time is up, everyone else in the room has full freedom to pelt you with rotton tomatoes
Democrat would do great without the filibuster. Entitlements are easy to pass and harder to take away. But it is the power of the minority party to hold up bills have the will of their voters included. It’s an imperfect system, especially in this hyper partisan era.
Edit: DACA is a hard nut to crack. Trump wants the wall, but all the boarder states don’t want it. The immigration “reforms” are uniquely terrible is that business focused republicans and all democrats hate them.
Basically the conservatives want to deport the DACA folks or get massive overhauls to immigration in exchange. But everyone else can’t stand those changes.
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We did this through the 60s and 70s. No one was happy with the results.
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Russians penetrated multiple states' voter registration rolls in the 2016 presidential election, the head of cybersecurity at the Department of Homeland Security told NBC News on Wednesday.
Of the 21 states targeted by Russians in the election, several were successfully penetrated, said Jeanette Manfra, in an exclusive interview with NBC.
U.S. officials have said there is no evidence that any states' voter registration rolls were tampered with or at all altered by the foreign intrusions.
Manfra, whose role is to protect American elections from hacking, did not specify which states had been successfully penetrated, saying she could not publicly disclose classified information.
"We saw a targeting of 21 states and an exceptionally small number of them were actually successfully penetrated," Manfra told NBC.
Source: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/07/russians-penetrated-us-voter-systems-nbc-citing-top-us-official.html
To be clear, this is "just" voter rolls, not voting machines/counts. That's still rather scary.
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On February 08 2018 07:12 Seuss wrote:Show nested quote +Russians penetrated multiple states' voter registration rolls in the 2016 presidential election, the head of cybersecurity at the Department of Homeland Security told NBC News on Wednesday.
Of the 21 states targeted by Russians in the election, several were successfully penetrated, said Jeanette Manfra, in an exclusive interview with NBC.
U.S. officials have said there is no evidence that any states' voter registration rolls were tampered with or at all altered by the foreign intrusions.
Manfra, whose role is to protect American elections from hacking, did not specify which states had been successfully penetrated, saying she could not publicly disclose classified information.
"We saw a targeting of 21 states and an exceptionally small number of them were actually successfully penetrated," Manfra told NBC. Source: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/07/russians-penetrated-us-voter-systems-nbc-citing-top-us-official.htmlTo be clear, this is "just" voter rolls, not voting machines/counts. That's still rather scary.
Yeah its important to be clear that this is information gathering, not manipulation.
But remember, its totally fine and we don't need to sanction them at all.
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If there is one thing I am happy to be european, it is that we not that Twitter addicted (yet)... Seriously, look at this Tread or your entire discoure over the last 2 years. You managed to erradicate any discourse by 150 (now some more) letters...
I used and still think the anglosphere debate formate with the "Xmin/Xmin-Xmin/Xmin rebutal..." was beyond retarded but you managed to out do yourself as a culture in no time...
Disgusting.
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This whole dreamer situation is very interesting. I really just don't know what the right move is for Democrats.
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On February 08 2018 07:55 Mohdoo wrote:
This whole dreamer situation is very interesting. I really just don't know what the right move is for Democrats.
Unless there is a shift in the moderate Republicans, I don’t think they have a move. They can’t do this themselves.
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Pelosi just wrapped up. 8 hours.
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On February 08 2018 08:16 ticklishmusic wrote:
Pelosi just wrapped up. 8 hours.
I wonder if my libertarian friends will bust a nut like they did when R Paul did the same thing
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On February 08 2018 08:12 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2018 07:55 Mohdoo wrote:
This whole dreamer situation is very interesting. I really just don't know what the right move is for Democrats. Unless there is a shift in the moderate Republicans, I don’t think they have a move. They can’t do this themselves.
yeah, this is kinda where I'm ending up. It truly looks like Democrats' best move is to say "What will you guys be willing to give up in exchange for us just totally dropping this whole Dreamer thing?"
To me, the issue is that I don't see a path to victory here for Democrats. It's not that I don't think the idea of deporting dreamers is utterly fucked up. It's that there is no mechanism for saving them. Democrats just don't have enough seats. We can't really demand dreamers stay.
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