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Leporello
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2845 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-07 15:55:53
February 07 2018 15:36 GMT
#197281
On the parade, it's certainly putting the cart before the horse. It would be a blatant, hard-to-deny politicization of the military. You need an occasion. A military parade without occasion -- that's what makes it feel like something out of the Red Square.

America can do military parades, and does them all the time. It's called Memorial Day.

This is actually an insult to Memorial Day -- which rightfully holds the mantle for military parades. IDC about the politics. Let this be a one-time only affair. Let Trump have his Dear Leader moment, then this useless insult needs to be put to rest, permanently. My brother died in Afghanistan. Parades are for him. Not political rapists.

Big water
Leporello
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2845 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-07 15:49:34
February 07 2018 15:39 GMT
#197282
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hero-or-hired-gun-how-a-british-former-spy-became-a-flash-point-in-the-russia-investigation/2018/02/06/94ea5158-0795-11e8-8777-2a059f168dd2_story.html?utm_term=.6c9f1e07bed1

Haven't seen this posted. It's a good story on who Christopher Steele actually is -- someone who briefed Prime Ministers and even personally briefed a U.S. President. The Head of MI6 called him the "go-to" guy on Russia.

This is who Lindsay Graham and Chuck Grassley want to "investigate".

edit: read the whole story if you're interested, because there's several interesting new details in there. Including the fact that British intel has previously alerted the FBI that a VP candidate, in a past election, was considered a Russian-asset.
Big water
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
February 07 2018 15:42 GMT
#197283
On February 07 2018 15:12 Introvert wrote:
portraying this as "veterans vs parades" is a false premise. a few million and man hours doesn't change that.


Nothing changes the fact that spending millions of the military's budget and man hours on a parade that will do nothing but politicize the military and make us look stupid is an egregious waste when those resources can legitimately be used elsewhere to improve the resources and working conditions of our service members.

If you want to continue to trivialize the resources expended in your endless attempts to be a contrarian to anything even remotely liberal, then you can continue to look stupid when someone that is in the military and actually deals with these conversations and consequences tells you how it actually works.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 07 2018 15:48 GMT
#197284
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-07 16:06:23
February 07 2018 15:49 GMT
#197285
On February 07 2018 14:30 pmh wrote:
That everyone suffers from a collapse in the stock market is a myth,and the panic and anxiety about the market today is laughable when you compare it with 2007/2008 and 2000. The dow at its lowest point was still higher then 4 months ago lol,like wth?

To those of you who did experience the market in 2007/2008,most of you probably in college. Did that market collapse in any way effect your life? Pls ask yourself this question and be honest about it and then tell me the answer with a few examples of how and why.
For me it didn't effect it at all,but maybe I am an exception. And 2007/2008 was the worst collapse in history since 1929. The volatility of the past few days is nothing.


I played the stock market while in high school and college, and my returns basically funded college for me. But the market crash shaved off a good chunk, so I ended up having to take some loans. Not the worst for me. I'm doing pretty well financially now, but I could have put the money I spent paying back loans to work, so there was a decent opportunity cost.

OTOH, I have a lot of lawyer buddies where the crash meant that their full time offers disappeared. Most of the class was employed going into fall semester, but at graduation most of them were looking for a job. A lot of people in other industries saw something similar, though not quite as dramatic.

Many people also saw their wealth evaporate. Their investment/ retirement accounts tanked, and their houses became worth a fraction of what they were worth.

And let's pretend the unemployment rate didn't shoot up, too. For people starting their careers during or after a slump, jobs were a lot harder to get, and the lower starting salary will likely depress their lifetime earnings by quite a bit.
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IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
February 07 2018 15:59 GMT
#197286
On February 08 2018 00:48 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/961253168968622086


So is he saying the stock market only goes up on bad news? So we have had over a year of bad news and that is why is up?

God I love Trumps messaging
Something witty
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 07 2018 16:01 GMT
#197287
Still not enough.

Are you a young adult confused about your economic future? You’re not alone. The president brags of surging markets and job growth, but you’re getting rejected for every job you apply for, scrambling to pay rent, and stuck in a dead-end retail job. Maybe it’s time to take inspiration from the latest stats about millennials: Workers age 35 and under are the main component of an unprecedented surge in union membership over the past two years.

Nationwide in 2017, nearly 860,000 workers under age 35 got hired, and nearly a quarter of those were union jobs. According to an analysis by the Economic Policy Institute, “Historically, younger workers have been less likely than older workers to be a member of union,” so in that sense there’s a lot of room to grow among younger workers, whose union membership lags behind other age groups. Millennials are responsible for a huge portion of the recent gains in union representation across the workforce, which has managed to remain fairly steady (yep, young people are keeping labor alive). Growing by some 198,000 workers, youth in union jobs are offsetting loss of union jobs in older age brackets; union jobs for workers age 45 to 54 dropped by some 75,000 over the same period.

So, in contrast to the myth of millennials’ being economically and politically adrift, they’re stepping in readily to fill the union ranks that have hemorrhaged middle-aged workers over the years—2017 actually saw an increase in the overall number of unionized workers over the previous year. A movement that we’re used to thinking of as getting older and smaller is actually growing stronger and younger—and they may well be leading the next progressive voting bloc in tandem with the labor movement.

In addition to breaking with an overall long-term decline in unionization across the workforce (now 10.7 percent), the youth surge highlights another dimension to the simultaneous rise in “gig economy” jobs. A recent analysis of job growth since 2005 reveals massive growth in temporary, irregular, or subcontracted work, known for unstable pay and precarious working conditions. And yet there hasn’t been a correlating backslide necessarily in younger workers’ labor power. There are actually signs that youth are increasingly driven to join unions precisely in response to economic precarity and eroding economic mobility. Even youth-oriented sectors have seen high-profile union victories, from digital-newsroom unions at Vice and Fusion to graduate-faculty unions at many public and increasingly, private, university campuses.

According to EPI Vice President John Schmitt, the employment trends suggest that the labor movement currently “seems right exactly where the future is…. Either they’re organizing new young workers, [for example] information-sector workers who are disproportionately young and are deciding that their online and/or cool Silicon Valley inspired kinds of firms are better if they’re union than if they’re not. Or the other thing that could be happening is, employment is expanding in sectors that are already union that have young workers,” including historically unorganized service industries like retail or health-care-support services—two areas where robust unionization efforts have been led by women, immigrants, and people of color.

But millennials may experience unique push-and-pull factors that drive them into unions. As EPI details in a separate analysis, unionization counters the characteristics that make jobs lousy today: gender and racial discrimination, wage gaps and lack of advancement opportunities.

Union jobs provide a net wage premium for women, especially in service-sector jobs that often lack stability and livable wages. Collective bargaining and union representation are associated with significantly higher wages for black and Latino workers. Nationwide, unionized workers are more than 50 percent more likely to have an employer-sponsored pension, and the vast majority have health insurance through their employer—a virtual financial unicorn for millennials who are often tracked into freelance and gig work with few benefits. Workers under age 25 who are unionized earn roughly a fifth more than their non-union counterparts.

Because unions give workers a voice in their workplace, unions offer young people a progressive support network at work, including legal support if they suffer harassment and want to bring a grievance against an abusive supervisor, and a community of solidarity for organizing colleagues against biased or inequitable treatment.

It’s true that this increase in youth unionization is not going to change the labor landscape overnight: Only one in eight workers nationwide are represented by a collective-bargaining agreement. But millennials have nowhere to go but up, since under-25-year-olds are the least unionized age bracket. That said, they have their whole lives ahead of them to deepen their involvement in a labor movement that is their best hope for political and economic empowerment.

A recent UCLA Labor Center study of young workers in Los Angeles shows that millennials are engaged on labor issues and are supportive of workplace organizing. According to researcher Hugo Romero, most respondents were “interested in and had positive perceptions of unions,” with about six in 10 expressing interest in joining a union or worker center “if they didn’t fear retribution from their employer.” The strong pro-union sentiment is also bolstered by concerted outreach efforts from youth-focused recruitment programs at unions like SEIU and its grassroots Fight For 15 campaign for low-wage workers. Organizers recognize that “young workers care about work/life balance, upwards mobility, safe working conditions, and living wages, all of which unions provide,” Romero observes. “The recent national data clearly shows that such efforts are paying off and that young people are a key part of creating a strong and sustainable future for unions.”

The dynamic in the union data reveal that whether they just cast a union vote or just landed their first gig, millennials have a keen sense of what they’re up against in the new economy, understand the challenges and opportunities of taking action at work, and, see unions are a springboard into the jobs, and justice, that they need and deserve.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9644 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-07 16:04:23
February 07 2018 16:01 GMT
#197288
LOL a myth. my poor mom lost almost a hundred grand with the real estate crash. she’s just about back on track with her retirement goals except my step dad was also just laid off. neither of them are stock holders outside of retirement planning.

it’s a myth tho👌. another thoughtful and enlightened perspective. i would agree only insofar as this correction hasn’t been a recession. but i don’t think anyone is claiming it is. because they’re two different things, thus we have different words for them.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
February 07 2018 16:03 GMT
#197289
On February 08 2018 00:36 Leporello wrote:
On the parade, it's certainly putting the cart before the horse. It would be a blatant, hard-to-deny politicization of the military. You need an occasion. A military parade without occasion -- that's what makes it feel like something out of the Red Square.

America can do military parades, and does them all the time. It's called Memorial Day.

This is actually an insult to Memorial Day -- which rightfully holds the mantle for military parades. IDC about the politics. Let this be a one-time only affair. Let Trump have his Dear Leader moment, then this useless insult needs to be put to rest, permanently. My brother died in Afghanistan. Parades are for him. Not political rapists.

https://twitter.com/ColMorrisDavis/status/961200213309444096


If the streets of DC can't handle the vehicles I can't think how the parade could happen. I mean they could drive Humvees around but that's not that exciting.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
February 07 2018 16:03 GMT
#197290
Responding to a White House comment that President Donald Trump was joking in calling State of the Union attendees who didn't clap for him "treasonous," former Vice President Joe Biden said of the president: "He's a joke."


www.yahoo.com
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46637 Posts
February 07 2018 16:06 GMT
#197291
On February 08 2018 00:48 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/961253168968622086


Hmmm...

Stock Market News for January 20, 2017
U.S. benchmarks ended in negative territory as investors prepared themselves for Trump’s inauguration as the 45th President of the U.S. ... The Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJI) declined 0.4%, to close at 19,732.40. The S&P 500 also decreased 0.4% to close at 2,263.69. The tech-laden Nasdaq Composite Index closed at 5,540.08, losing 0.3%. The fear-gauge CBOE Volatility Index (VIX) increased 2.4% to settle at 12.78. A total of around 6.3 billion shares were traded on Thursday, higher than the last 20-session average of 6.1 billion shares. Decliners outpaced advancing stocks on the NYSE. For 72% stocks that declined, 25% advanced. Cautious stance taken by investors ahead of the U.S. President inauguration day played a major role in dragging the major benchmarks into negative territory. Donald Trump will be sworn in as the 45th president of the U.S. today.
https://www.zacks.com/stock/news/246257/stock-market-news-for-january-20-2017
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
February 07 2018 16:07 GMT
#197292
On February 08 2018 00:48 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/961253168968622086


Whenever I read his tweets and theres quotations and/or parenthesis, I can't help but to read the tweet in Cho'galls voice.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
February 07 2018 16:10 GMT
#197293
Leporello
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2845 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-07 16:26:20
February 07 2018 16:17 GMT
#197294


edit:


I'm starting to think that joke that Trump doesn't get actual intel-briefings (he probably just doesn't care, really) and watches Fox News instead, isn't actually a joke.
Big water
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
February 07 2018 16:19 GMT
#197295
If only he’d spend that money on fixing the VA than spending it on a stupid parade that does nothing but boast stupid ego’s...
Life?
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22677 Posts
February 07 2018 16:29 GMT
#197296
On February 08 2018 01:17 Leporello wrote:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/961270833569202176

edit: https://twitter.com/Tierney_Megan/status/961271893046243328

I'm starting to think that joke that Trump doesn't get actual intel-briefings (he probably just doesn't care, really) and watches Fox News instead, isn't actually a joke.

3 minutes, thats plenty of time to read the maximum 4 bullet points that Trump can handle in a single sitting.

We know he doesn't get extensive briefings like everyone else used to. He doesn't have the attention span for it.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-07 16:47:36
February 07 2018 16:47 GMT
#197297
It's already been reported that he spends about 8 hours a day watching TV. With his intel briefings etc. being constantly pushed back later in the day.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Leporello
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2845 Posts
February 07 2018 16:53 GMT
#197298
I've changed my mind on the parade completely. If he wants to wag the dog, better the victory parade comes without a war. It's brilliant and I hope everyone marches with great enthusiasm.
Big water
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
February 07 2018 17:07 GMT
#197299
On February 08 2018 01:47 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
It's already been reported that he spends about 8 hours a day watching TV. With his intel briefings etc. being constantly pushed back later in the day.


Well who could resist the gorilla channel
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
February 07 2018 17:10 GMT
#197300
Meanwhile, Nancy Pelosi is effectively fillibustering the House for a vote on DACA. She's been speaking for a couple hours now.
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