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IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
February 07 2018 17:34 GMT
#197301
On February 08 2018 02:10 ticklishmusic wrote:
Meanwhile, Nancy Pelosi is effectively fillibustering the House for a vote on DACA. She's been speaking for a couple hours now.


Natty P coming through for the dreamers
Something witty
riotjune
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States3393 Posts
February 07 2018 17:41 GMT
#197302
Wow, that's more than two times the length of Trump's SotU if you take out the applauses. That's crazy.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
February 07 2018 17:47 GMT
#197303
since the house doesn't have an actual filibuster or allow for unlimited talk, what's letting her talk for so long? did they simply allow for long debate on a topic?
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
February 07 2018 17:53 GMT
#197304
evidently in the house the leadership has a special privilege (tradition) where they're allowed to ask for a minute to make remarks. however, that minute in practice can go pretty much as long as they want.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9620 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-07 17:58:21
February 07 2018 17:54 GMT
#197305
McConnell all but admitting to going back on his word of holding a vote before the next CR. Wants Dems to take the optics hit and go back on THEIR word first, keeping the government open sans vote, and in turn AGAIN promises to get DACA legislation in.

because we should take his word after it meaning nothing with the last vote.

he hedges the quote by saying ‘if we don’t reach an agreement before the 8th, so long as the government stays open, it is my intention to bring to the floor immigration legislation.’

i remain only marginally hopeful this does happen before friday. but i expect the PR play.
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
February 07 2018 17:58 GMT
#197306
On February 08 2018 02:54 brian wrote:
McConnell all but admitting to going back on his word of holding a vote before the next CR. Wants Dems to take the optics hit and go back on THEIR word first, keeping the government open sans vote, and in turn AGAIN promises to get DACA legislation in.

because we should take his word after it meaning nothing with the last vote.

he hedges the quote by saying ‘if we don’t reach an agreement before the 8th, so long as he government stays open, it is my intention to bring to the floor immigration legislation.’

i remain only marginally hopeful this does happen before friday. but i expect the PR play.


And this is why I don't thin Schumer messed up. With Trump going 'let's have a shut down' and McConnell going back on his word its pretty much a republican shutdown 100%
Something witty
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 07 2018 18:01 GMT
#197307
Never underestimate the Democrats ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9620 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-07 18:05:37
February 07 2018 18:04 GMT
#197308
On February 08 2018 03:01 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Never underestimate the Democrats ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

my thoughts exactly. i don’t think they have the balls to do it with another brilliant promise from McConnell. Keep the Gov’t open and you’ll get your vote.

I don’t doubt that we’ll get the vote. But i do expect we’ll sign yet another CR on the empty promise of a hollow Majority Leader. It’s a trade. McConnell gets to make Schumer eat his words on his promise to vote by Feb 8, and gets the vote next week after caving into the CR.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21726 Posts
February 07 2018 18:08 GMT
#197309
On February 08 2018 03:04 brian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2018 03:01 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Never underestimate the Democrats ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

my thoughts exactly. i don’t think they have the balls to do it with another brilliant promise from McConnell. Keep the Gov’t open and you’ll get your vote.

I don’t doubt that we’ll get the vote. But i do expect we’ll sign yet another CR on the empty promise of a hollow Majority Leader. It’s a trade. McConnell gets to make Schumer eat his words on his promise to vote by Feb 8, and gets the vote next week after caving into the CR.

What promise did Schumer make for the 8th?

The deal was the Democrats allowing the previous 3 week extension and a DACA vote in that time right?
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9620 Posts
February 07 2018 18:09 GMT
#197310
On February 08 2018 03:08 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2018 03:04 brian wrote:
On February 08 2018 03:01 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Never underestimate the Democrats ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

my thoughts exactly. i don’t think they have the balls to do it with another brilliant promise from McConnell. Keep the Gov’t open and you’ll get your vote.

I don’t doubt that we’ll get the vote. But i do expect we’ll sign yet another CR on the empty promise of a hollow Majority Leader. It’s a trade. McConnell gets to make Schumer eat his words on his promise to vote by Feb 8, and gets the vote next week after caving into the CR.

What promise did Schumer make for the 8th?

The deal was the Democrats allowing the previous 3 week extension and a DACA vote in that time right?

yes. and ‘that time’ ends tomorrow.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
February 07 2018 18:13 GMT
#197311
time sure flies when you're distracted by a dumb memo and a few other things.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21726 Posts
February 07 2018 18:14 GMT
#197312
On February 08 2018 03:09 brian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2018 03:08 Gorsameth wrote:
On February 08 2018 03:04 brian wrote:
On February 08 2018 03:01 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Never underestimate the Democrats ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

my thoughts exactly. i don’t think they have the balls to do it with another brilliant promise from McConnell. Keep the Gov’t open and you’ll get your vote.

I don’t doubt that we’ll get the vote. But i do expect we’ll sign yet another CR on the empty promise of a hollow Majority Leader. It’s a trade. McConnell gets to make Schumer eat his words on his promise to vote by Feb 8, and gets the vote next week after caving into the CR.

What promise did Schumer make for the 8th?

The deal was the Democrats allowing the previous 3 week extension and a DACA vote in that time right?

yes. and ‘that time’ ends tomorrow.

yeah. So either there is a vote or there is a shutdown. There is 0 reason for the Democrats to extend again in exchange for a DACA vote.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18830 Posts
February 07 2018 18:28 GMT
#197313
I gotta say, the Senate spending bill is a pretty sweet deal for Democrats aside from its leaving DACA unattended to. Not sure how it would pass the House in its current form though.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Aveng3r
Profile Joined February 2012
United States2411 Posts
February 07 2018 18:43 GMT
#197314
How is fillibustering not illegal. It is a blatant waste of everyones time and a roadblock to progress.

I submit that you have 30 minutes to speak and after that time is up, everyone else in the room has full freedom to pelt you with rotton tomatoes
I carve marble busts of assassinated world leaders - PM for a quote
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
February 07 2018 18:47 GMT
#197315
On February 08 2018 03:43 Aveng3r wrote:
How is fillibustering not illegal. It is a blatant waste of everyones time and a roadblock to progress.

I submit that you have 30 minutes to speak and after that time is up, everyone else in the room has full freedom to pelt you with rotton tomatoes

some jurisdictions have established tighter rules on their filibusters.
and progress is being blocked by the republican congress in general
why would it necessarily be illegal?
it worked fine for a century and a half, and only started being a problem recently due to some changes which somehow haven't been reverted.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 07 2018 18:54 GMT
#197316
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
February 07 2018 19:04 GMT
#197317
On February 08 2018 03:54 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/ezraklein/status/961311022991708160


I refuse to believe kelly is out until he is out.
Something witty
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-07 19:42:08
February 07 2018 19:39 GMT
#197318
EU seeks U.S. compensation for solar panel tariffs: WTO

GENEVA (Reuters) - The European Union has sent the United States a demand for talks on compensation for steep U.S. tariffs imposed on imported solar panels, a World Trade Organization filing showed on Wednesday.

The EU request said Germany was a major exporter and cited WTO rules under which it could demand compensation. The EU move follows similar steps by China, Taiwan and South Korea, but unlike them it did not accuse the United States of breaking WTO rules.


source: www.reuters.com

glad our politicians have a spine with this one at least. Let's see what comes of it
(wasn't sure if this belongs into the EU thread or the US thread but since for me it's more a response to something the US did I personally think it belongs more in the US thread as it would not have been a story without US involvement in the first place)
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4789 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-07 20:01:14
February 07 2018 20:00 GMT
#197319
As far as I recall the deal McConnel made was that if no deal went through by the 8th they would move the DACA debate to more normal procedures. The possibility of no deal was baked in. So it's a risk for both sides, but considering that Democrats clearly don't actually care about Dreamers but want to grandstand (see Pelosi, Nancy), there will be no deal.

Meanwhile



"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18830 Posts
February 07 2018 20:03 GMT
#197320
Lol, "successful spending restraint"....yeah, successful at creating an arbitrary point of contention utilized in service of brinkmanship, maybe.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
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