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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22290 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-08 17:55:32
February 08 2018 17:55 GMT
#197401
On February 09 2018 02:46 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2018 02:40 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:

Lol that answer.

Trump is gracious. He trots me out like a prize horse..... oh wait.... and also do legislation things, yeah! But ask me more about "wurk" when we're back in Washington, I have to remember how to trot on command!

I don't know if its Trump trotting him around like a prize horse or a career politician staying as far removed from a nuclear dumpster fire as he can possible be.

I think Pence chooses to not be involved in anything because he wants to avoid going down when reality catches up with Trump.
Remember, he may well turn out to be the 46e Potus before Trumps term is up.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-08 18:34:04
February 08 2018 18:00 GMT
#197402
Also, the less news Pence makes, the better for Pence. Right now he exists in contrast to Trump, so he seems passable. But even a tiny trip into the history of Pence as a governor shows he is just bad at the job. People forget that the man was voted out by the people who voted him in.

Edit: I’m pretty sure that would be an illegal order if someone told them to fire Iranian ships. Mattis has a hard job that will only get harder as these stories start coming out.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 08 2018 18:26 GMT
#197403
.... he wants to start a war to save his ass.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
February 08 2018 18:32 GMT
#197404
To be fair though he also doesn't want to be fighting im Somalia and Afghanistan and those wars are pretty much all Mattis.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 08 2018 18:51 GMT
#197405
There a huge distance between those two operations and firing on Iran’s navy.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
February 08 2018 18:53 GMT
#197406
On February 09 2018 02:40 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/cspan/status/961640086797471745


jesus christ, does the white house not have a single fucking person that is capable of answering a question without trying to get around it or lying through their teeth?
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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
February 08 2018 18:56 GMT
#197407
On February 09 2018 03:53 hunts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2018 02:40 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/cspan/status/961640086797471745


jesus christ, does the white house not have a single fucking person that is capable of answering a question without trying to get around it or lying through their teeth?

they do have a few, but they're not allowed to answer questions.
it's pretty common in politics really; imho the system would be better with more rigorous cross-examination requirements that don't let people dodge.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22290 Posts
February 08 2018 19:04 GMT
#197408
On February 09 2018 03:53 hunts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2018 02:40 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/cspan/status/961640086797471745


jesus christ, does the white house not have a single fucking person that is capable of answering a question without trying to get around it or lying through their teeth?

"Yes we knew but no one gave a shit and we just hoped it wouldn't come out into the public" makes for bad PR.

When you constantly do dumb shit that then gets exposed you keep looking like a fool.
The trick is to not do dumb shit in the first place so you can tell the truth and look smart. But that is to much to ask for the highest office in the country.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 08 2018 19:29 GMT
#197409


The house is on fire.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
February 08 2018 19:55 GMT
#197410
this was not the border wall i expected
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Leporello
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2845 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-08 20:01:02
February 08 2018 19:55 GMT
#197411
On February 09 2018 03:26 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
.... he wants to start a war to save his ass.

https://twitter.com/shashj/status/961643649250586625


This is why I totally think we could maybe just skip right to Il Duce's victory parade, and it's a lot less harm done.
Big water
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11813 Posts
February 08 2018 20:00 GMT
#197412
On February 09 2018 04:04 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2018 03:53 hunts wrote:
On February 09 2018 02:40 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/cspan/status/961640086797471745


jesus christ, does the white house not have a single fucking person that is capable of answering a question without trying to get around it or lying through their teeth?

"Yes we knew but no one gave a shit and we just hoped it wouldn't come out into the public" makes for bad PR.

When you constantly do dumb shit that then gets exposed you keep looking like a fool.
The trick is to not do dumb shit in the first place so you can tell the truth and look smart. But that is to much to ask for the highest office in the country.


The US also has this weird culture of just smiling and saying nothing when being asked hard questions by a journalist. The video of the diplomat guy in the netherlands shows this very well. One quite often sees a video of some politician being asked a question, and instead of answering, just kind of smiling in an arrogant way and not saying a word, either walking away or asking for the next question.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 08 2018 20:06 GMT
#197413
I’ve seen a couple US politicians be dumbstruck by going to the EU and experiencing reporters who will just ask the same question over and over until they get an answer. But most of our “News” networks are just a talking head factor that just pump out talking points.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Leporello
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2845 Posts
February 08 2018 20:10 GMT
#197414
I've been waiting for nearly a year for a reporter to actually ask Trump fundamental questions, even just to confirm reports previously given. I don't know if they're subservient or what, but there is a definite lack of follow-up. It seems Trump can literally just fly away and physically dodge from ever answering a serious question on so many troubling stories and allegations.
Which says he's guilty, of course, but it's pathetic to see the media relatively comply with this selective amnesia.
Big water
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 08 2018 20:20 GMT
#197415
To be fair to reporters in the US on Trump, it is impossible for them to get an interview with him. The last time someone got an interview it was a Times reporter that didn’t even know Trump allow himself to be interview answer questions and had not prepared at all.
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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
February 08 2018 20:29 GMT
#197416
On February 09 2018 05:10 Leporello wrote:
I've been waiting for nearly a year for a reporter to actually ask Trump fundamental questions, even just to confirm reports previously given. I don't know if they're subservient or what, but there is a definite lack of follow-up. It seems Trump can literally just fly away and physically dodge from ever answering a serious question on so many troubling stories and allegations.
Which says he's guilty, of course, but it's pathetic to see the media relatively comply with this selective amnesia.

trump seems to no thold press conferences much at all; and if he does, won't answer questions much. so there's a shortage of opportunities.
the american people don' trequire thier politicians to answer questions, so they don't.
it's quite possible that they are following up, there's justt not that much to report, because they never receive an answer; and a non-answer tends to no get muhc coverage.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
February 08 2018 20:55 GMT
#197417
Dow is down about 900 points with 5 minutes to go. Wew.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
February 08 2018 20:56 GMT
#197418
On February 09 2018 05:20 Plansix wrote:
To be fair to reporters in the US on Trump, it is impossible for them to get an interview with him. The last time someone got an interview it was a Times reporter that didn’t even know Trump allow himself to be interview answer questions and had not prepared at all.


its not just that, if you guys watch the daily brief all they do is dodge.

I can't count the number of times someone asked 'what is the WH going to do if congress cant pass anything on DACA by march 5th'

And it is always responded with 'we fully expect congress to act'
Something witty
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
February 08 2018 21:07 GMT
#197419
On February 09 2018 05:55 ticklishmusic wrote:
Dow is down about 900 points with 5 minutes to go. Wew.

Yeah, it's gonna be bad for stocks as long as interest rates keep going up. And the rates have to go up. There's way too much money floating around in the economy. The Fed is probably behind on raising rates, and we're about to hit a round of inflation.
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
February 08 2018 21:10 GMT
#197420
On February 09 2018 06:07 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2018 05:55 ticklishmusic wrote:
Dow is down about 900 points with 5 minutes to go. Wew.

Yeah, it's gonna be bad for stocks as long as interest rates keep going up. And the rates have to go up. There's way too much money floating around in the economy. The Fed is probably behind on raising rates, and we're about to hit a round of inflation.


Yeah, this is the only time I will feel bad for Trump because he is going to get blamed and this is one thing that is 100% not his fault
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