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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23259 Posts
February 08 2018 23:32 GMT
#197441
On February 09 2018 08:31 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2018 08:25 IyMoon wrote:
On February 09 2018 08:11 Plansix wrote:


There is a very real chance the Republicans can’t pass this bill. Paul Ryan wouldn't even assure a vote on whatever DACA bill the Senate sends them. Not that it would pass. That he won’t even assure the Democrats it would be put up for debate and voted on, even if it was going to fail. Because he and the conservatives know that any DACA bill that gets put to the floor of the House might pass.

And he might vote against this spending bill. What a bunch of clowns.


Oh god damn it, are we really shutting down AGAIN?

Are you surprised?


I hear if you're not surprised you should't be bothered.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
February 08 2018 23:36 GMT
#197442
I'm hoping we'll have a government shutdown and a stock market crash simultaneously for double whammy excitement. Friday has the potential to be really exciting.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
February 08 2018 23:43 GMT
#197443
On February 09 2018 08:32 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2018 08:31 Gorsameth wrote:
On February 09 2018 08:25 IyMoon wrote:
On February 09 2018 08:11 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/DaviSusan/status/961735763003084808

There is a very real chance the Republicans can’t pass this bill. Paul Ryan wouldn't even assure a vote on whatever DACA bill the Senate sends them. Not that it would pass. That he won’t even assure the Democrats it would be put up for debate and voted on, even if it was going to fail. Because he and the conservatives know that any DACA bill that gets put to the floor of the House might pass.

And he might vote against this spending bill. What a bunch of clowns.


Oh god damn it, are we really shutting down AGAIN?

Are you surprised?


I hear if you're not surprised you should't be bothered.


To be honest, I really thought the sen deal was going to work out
Something witty
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9620 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-08 23:49:49
February 08 2018 23:49 GMT
#197444
i honestly thought dems would just cave.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23259 Posts
February 08 2018 23:49 GMT
#197445
On February 09 2018 08:43 IyMoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2018 08:32 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 09 2018 08:31 Gorsameth wrote:
On February 09 2018 08:25 IyMoon wrote:
On February 09 2018 08:11 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/DaviSusan/status/961735763003084808

There is a very real chance the Republicans can’t pass this bill. Paul Ryan wouldn't even assure a vote on whatever DACA bill the Senate sends them. Not that it would pass. That he won’t even assure the Democrats it would be put up for debate and voted on, even if it was going to fail. Because he and the conservatives know that any DACA bill that gets put to the floor of the House might pass.

And he might vote against this spending bill. What a bunch of clowns.


Oh god damn it, are we really shutting down AGAIN?

Are you surprised?


I hear if you're not surprised you should't be bothered.


To be honest, I really thought the sen deal was going to work out


If I follow this theory correctly your naivete isn't really an excuse and so despite your surprise you still shouldn't be upset.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
February 08 2018 23:51 GMT
#197446
On February 09 2018 08:49 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2018 08:43 IyMoon wrote:
On February 09 2018 08:32 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 09 2018 08:31 Gorsameth wrote:
On February 09 2018 08:25 IyMoon wrote:
On February 09 2018 08:11 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/DaviSusan/status/961735763003084808

There is a very real chance the Republicans can’t pass this bill. Paul Ryan wouldn't even assure a vote on whatever DACA bill the Senate sends them. Not that it would pass. That he won’t even assure the Democrats it would be put up for debate and voted on, even if it was going to fail. Because he and the conservatives know that any DACA bill that gets put to the floor of the House might pass.

And he might vote against this spending bill. What a bunch of clowns.


Oh god damn it, are we really shutting down AGAIN?

Are you surprised?


I hear if you're not surprised you should't be bothered.


To be honest, I really thought the sen deal was going to work out


If I follow this theory correctly your naivete isn't really an excuse and so despite your surprise you still shouldn't be upset.


I am not getting this joke at all
Something witty
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21725 Posts
February 08 2018 23:52 GMT
#197447
On February 09 2018 08:49 brian wrote:
i honestly thought dems would just cave.

Still plenty of time for that
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23259 Posts
February 08 2018 23:54 GMT
#197448
On February 09 2018 08:51 IyMoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2018 08:49 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 09 2018 08:43 IyMoon wrote:
On February 09 2018 08:32 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 09 2018 08:31 Gorsameth wrote:
On February 09 2018 08:25 IyMoon wrote:
On February 09 2018 08:11 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/DaviSusan/status/961735763003084808

There is a very real chance the Republicans can’t pass this bill. Paul Ryan wouldn't even assure a vote on whatever DACA bill the Senate sends them. Not that it would pass. That he won’t even assure the Democrats it would be put up for debate and voted on, even if it was going to fail. Because he and the conservatives know that any DACA bill that gets put to the floor of the House might pass.

And he might vote against this spending bill. What a bunch of clowns.


Oh god damn it, are we really shutting down AGAIN?

Are you surprised?


I hear if you're not surprised you should't be bothered.


To be honest, I really thought the sen deal was going to work out


If I follow this theory correctly your naivete isn't really an excuse and so despite your surprise you still shouldn't be upset.


I am not getting this joke at all


Neither am I, that's kinda the point.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-09 00:32:19
February 09 2018 00:31 GMT
#197449
On February 09 2018 08:43 IyMoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2018 08:32 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 09 2018 08:31 Gorsameth wrote:
On February 09 2018 08:25 IyMoon wrote:
On February 09 2018 08:11 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/DaviSusan/status/961735763003084808

There is a very real chance the Republicans can’t pass this bill. Paul Ryan wouldn't even assure a vote on whatever DACA bill the Senate sends them. Not that it would pass. That he won’t even assure the Democrats it would be put up for debate and voted on, even if it was going to fail. Because he and the conservatives know that any DACA bill that gets put to the floor of the House might pass.

And he might vote against this spending bill. What a bunch of clowns.


Oh god damn it, are we really shutting down AGAIN?

Are you surprised?


I hear if you're not surprised you should't be bothered.


To be honest, I really thought the sen deal was going to work out

why would you think that?
I mean, the republicans can't even cobble together a budget within their own party.
and a deal for a cr is a far cry from a deal on the larger issues.
and it's not like we have a responsible republican party.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 09 2018 00:33 GMT
#197450


Paul Ryan is a chump. Prepare another shut down.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
February 09 2018 00:36 GMT
#197451
it's annoying how half the posts are tweets these days and I have issues preventing me from reading tweets easily.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4789 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-09 01:03:44
February 09 2018 00:41 GMT
#197452
Since it would appear that Rand is done talking...

I would like to thank Nancy Pelosi for her kind contribution to the "Keep Congress Red" campaign. This would be two donations in the past few days! Republicans love putting her their ads since no one likes her.

But I'm still like 90% there is no shut down for any meaningful period of time. Schumer would be sad and




Which is prob true.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 09 2018 00:43 GMT
#197453
It’s the same for me. I have to jump off my firms wireless network if I want to read them.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4789 Posts
February 09 2018 00:44 GMT
#197454
On February 09 2018 09:36 zlefin wrote:
it's annoying how half the posts are tweets these days and I have issues preventing me from reading tweets easily.


Tweets are now how real time reporting is done, which is why I feel no guilt about using them.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
February 09 2018 00:51 GMT
#197455
On February 09 2018 09:44 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2018 09:36 zlefin wrote:
it's annoying how half the posts are tweets these days and I have issues preventing me from reading tweets easily.


Tweets are now how real time reporting is done, which is why I feel no guilt about using them.



I have to go on my phone to read them at work but I like them a lot
Something witty
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 09 2018 00:53 GMT
#197456


On a more amusing note, Rand Paul apparently likes to attack studies he thinks sound dumb. But the thread is fun.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
February 09 2018 01:08 GMT
#197457
The poor page that had to make that poster board for him
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-09 01:13:46
February 09 2018 01:08 GMT
#197458
On February 09 2018 05:10 Leporello wrote:
I've been waiting for nearly a year for a reporter to actually ask Trump fundamental questions, even just to confirm reports previously given. I don't know if they're subservient or what, but there is a definite lack of follow-up. It seems Trump can literally just fly away and physically dodge from ever answering a serious question on so many troubling stories and allegations.
Which says he's guilty, of course, but it's pathetic to see the media relatively comply with this selective amnesia.

On February 09 2018 05:20 Plansix wrote:
To be fair to reporters in the US on Trump, it is impossible for them to get an interview with him. The last time someone got an interview it was a Times reporter that didn’t even know Trump allow himself to be interview answer questions and had not prepared at all.


Does the president ever have to defend his decisions before congress? With him being allowed to dodge media completely is there even any way for 'the people' to question him? The fact that Trump can do/say so many stupid things without ever having to answer or for it, or at least explain his reasoning, is one of the weirdest things to me.

I'll admit I don't really know if this is Trump bending unwritten rules or if the office of president was always this 'invulnerable' to public accountability.

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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 09 2018 01:12 GMT
#197459


This sums up Rand Paul right now. And a lot of Republicans worried about the debt.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4789 Posts
February 09 2018 01:13 GMT
#197460
On February 09 2018 10:08 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2018 05:10 Leporello wrote:
I've been waiting for nearly a year for a reporter to actually ask Trump fundamental questions, even just to confirm reports previously given. I don't know if they're subservient or what, but there is a definite lack of follow-up. It seems Trump can literally just fly away and physically dodge from ever answering a serious question on so many troubling stories and allegations.
Which says he's guilty, of course, but it's pathetic to see the media relatively comply with this selective amnesia.

Show nested quote +
On February 09 2018 05:20 Plansix wrote:
To be fair to reporters in the US on Trump, it is impossible for them to get an interview with him. The last time someone got an interview it was a Times reporter that didn’t even know Trump allow himself to be interview answer questions and had not prepared at all.


Does the president ever have to defend his decisions before congress? With him being allowed to dodge media completely is there even any way for 'the people' to question him? The fact that Trump can do/say so many stupid things without ever having to answer or for it, or at least explain his reasoning, is one of the weirdest things to me.

I'll admit I don't really know if this is Trump bending unwritten rules or if the office of president was always this 'invulnerable' to pubic accountability.



First, he doesn't do a lot of press conferences but when he does they are very long, and he talks to reporters impromptu a decent amount as well.

Second, the answer to your question is no. He is the third separate, complete branch of government. Presidents keep their distance and almost never go to the chambers of Congress.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
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