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farvacola
United States18839 Posts
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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
On January 26 2018 03:50 farvacola wrote: Even better than exchanges, give them somewhere to shoot up. Philly is about to try that out iirc. This actually doesnt sound too bad, at least you contain it to one area | ||
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Gahlo
United States35162 Posts
On January 26 2018 03:46 Sermokala wrote: As an admittedly cheap shot thats only 3k less then double the amount of people that die from guns in america per year. Its primarily the stat that made me pro pot legalization. Making pot legal and cheaper then heroin is the best way I can imagine lowering the amount of people that start heroin. But but muh gateway drugs! | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On January 26 2018 03:50 farvacola wrote: Even better than exchanges, give them somewhere to shoot up. Philly is about to try that out iirc. I think Vancouver was the first city to have a facility like this (at least in North America), and they handle several hundred overdoses every month. On January 26 2018 03:55 IyMoon wrote: This actually doesnt sound too bad, at least you contain it to one area Doesn't actually work that way. It affects the area around the facility, but people will still shoot up in alleys if it's too much "effort" or wait to go there. | ||
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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
On January 26 2018 04:00 WolfintheSheep wrote: I think Vancouver was the first city to have a facility like this (at least in North America), and they handle several hundred overdoses every month. Doesn't actually work that way. It affects the area around the facility, but people will still shoot up in alleys if it's too much "effort" or wait to go there. Well I don't think they put it up next to a school. To be honest in LA if you put one of these places on skid row its not going to make the area worse. The area is already a horrible situation | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On January 26 2018 04:00 WolfintheSheep wrote: I think Vancouver was the first city to have a facility like this (at least in North America), and they handle several hundred overdoses every month. Doesn't actually work that way. It affects the area around the facility, but people will still shoot up in alleys if it's too much "effort" or wait to go there. The current solution is for them to go hide someplace and we find the body much later, and they share needles. There is no good solution to any of this, only ones that give us options to address the problems. | ||
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farvacola
United States18839 Posts
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
On January 26 2018 03:23 Plansix wrote: But instead we have the current idiocy in the House, lead by the chief braintrust Nunes. I can't take this stuff seriously anymore. All the crap that has been picked up in the past year that never panned out like Deep state/Clinton shadow government Obama wiretaps Mass voter fraud Seth Rich Unmasking trump aides Uranium one It's the boy who cried wolf, except instead of people getting upset that there is no wolf they're joining in to #releasethewolf. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On January 26 2018 04:03 IyMoon wrote: Well I don't think they put it up next to a school. To be honest in LA if you put one of these places on skid row its not going to make the area worse. The area is already a horrible situation Point was that the drug problem doesn't migrate to where these sites are set up. On January 26 2018 04:09 farvacola wrote: Lack of consistent set and setting is also its own overdose potentiator, outcomes in Europe have been quite good, and given Vancouver's rampant drug problem, I'm not convinced that hundreds of overdoses each month isn't a reduction in harm. Wasn't saying it wasn't a reduction, opposite in fact. | ||
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farvacola
United States18839 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23489 Posts
Of course there's an alternative explanation that goes something like the CIA is trafficking drugs again and this time it's Heroin out of Afghanistan. Then the DEA also conveniently only arrest/seize their competition from Mexico/South America (Columbia). Naturally sometimes this causes mix ups with their street dealers. Officers from the 12th precinct, who were "pretending" to sell drugs in an attempt to arrest drug users, were approached by two officers from the 11th precinct, who treated them as they would any other “drug dealers” and attempted to arrest them. The city’s police chief called the move a “very embarrassing situation.” Source | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
You also obviously need to keep dealing/hoarding criminalized for a large chunk of the drugs in question like Portugal did, which is another level of nuance that I'm not sure you could sell people on. | ||
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farvacola
United States18839 Posts
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TheLordofAwesome
Korea (South)2655 Posts
On January 26 2018 04:54 GreenHorizons wrote: There's even more to the Drug Wars: Heroin story when you look at Afghanistan and it's Heroin production before and after we invaded. Also the strange coincidence that while Afghanistan provides most of the worlds Heroin virtually none of it seems to come here according to the DEA. Of course there's an alternative explanation that goes something like the CIA is trafficking drugs again and this time it's Heroin out of Afghanistan. Then the DEA also conveniently only arrest/seize their competition from Mexico/South America (Columbia). Naturally sometimes this causes mix ups with their street dealers. Source Another fact free assertion with no evidence. This theory makes no sense. What exactly do the CIA get out of running this supposed program, besides the eventual uncovering of the operation, resulting in severe damage to the agency? Where does the money go? Why would the CIA not simply get its budget by asking Congress for money, like it does every single year as part of the normal appropriations process? You seem to have uncritically bought Gary Webb's conspiracy theories about the CIA selling drugs to Americans to fund their operations. An article about 2 undercover Detroit cops get busted by other Detroit cops has precisely nothing to do with Afghanistan or the CIA. | ||
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TheLordofAwesome
Korea (South)2655 Posts
The Deep State plot to turn over the missing incriminating text messages just got one level deeper. | ||
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misirlou
Portugal3241 Posts
On January 26 2018 05:14 kollin wrote: What are people's thoughts on full decriminalisation a la Portugal? Might require a more comprehensive healthcare system to work, but from what I know the opiate crisis in Portugal was both widespread and deadly and is now relatively under control. Medical Marijuana was up for vote last week but it was pulled because there weren't gonna be enough votes over allowing prescription owners planting their own. T_T My country isn't as progressive as I thought. Especially when right's argument was "we're not allowing some prescription drugs as well so why should we even consider weed before considering those?". Those prescription drugs being opioids | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On January 26 2018 05:14 kollin wrote: What are people's thoughts on full decriminalisation a la Portugal? Might require a more comprehensive healthcare system to work, but from what I know the opiate crisis in Portugal was both widespread and deadly and is now relatively under control. politically impossible in the US. | ||
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