EPTOn January 25 2018 17:07 tomatriedes wrote:
How dare dem dirty Russkies attend Davos!!!!!!!
How dare dem dirty Russkies attend Davos!!!!!!!
Whatever. If it makes our dipshits actually vote, whatever. This shit worked amazingly for the gop
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Mohdoo
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Whatever. If it makes our dipshits actually vote, whatever. This shit worked amazingly for the gop | ||
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Plansix
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Man, we are getting close to 1920 anti immigrant hysteria. 100 eats later, same arguments. | ||
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brian
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LegalLord
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On January 26 2018 00:31 Mohdoo wrote: Whatever. If it makes our dipshits actually vote, whatever. This shit worked amazingly for the gop It’s whatever because “we” are the good guys so it’s for the greater good, right? Lot of shit could be justified if you accept that logic... | ||
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Plansix
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Mohdoo
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On January 26 2018 00:51 LegalLord wrote: It’s whatever because “we” are the good guys so it’s for the greater good, right? Lot of shit could be justified if you accept that logic... Moral purity doesn't do much when you lose. | ||
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brian
United States9616 Posts
On January 26 2018 00:56 Mohdoo wrote: Moral purity doesn't do much when you lose. as we’ve noticed, it doesn’t do much when you give it up to win either. | ||
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farvacola
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21640 Posts
On January 26 2018 00:54 Plansix wrote: The whole “ no more families coming to America, only merit based immigration” will basically kill immigration as a whole. It will limit immigration to single twenty something’s that are willing to leave their family behind and only fly home to visit. On top of the fact that there is no way the “merit system” is used properly. I expect someone to go full Breckinridge Long on the entire thing and just abuse that system. That argument wont go very far when those in favor of 'no more families' are perfectly happy if no one immigrates to America ever again. Despite all the obvious damage that would do to the country. | ||
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Plansix
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On January 26 2018 01:00 Gorsameth wrote: That argument wont go very far when those in favor of 'no more families' are perfectly happy if no one immigrates to America ever again. Despite all the obvious damage that would do to the country. I am slowly reaching the point where I am willing to give it to them and let them touch the stove. Just like trade wars. Without immigration and seasonal worker, our population would be shrinking. The economy is based on the number of raw humans working. We are at full employment, so if people want to live in a stagnant, shrinking economy that also happens to be a hobbesian nightmare, lets just pull of the band aid and get it over with. I’ll spend my late 50s teaching their children how stupid that plan was and they should have known better. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On January 26 2018 00:56 Mohdoo wrote: Moral purity doesn't do much when you lose. So, as a bit of a “slippery slope” extension of this logic, if Communist Chinese hackers leaked a treasure trove of leaked information that would compromise both Trump and Republicans in Congress, would you consider that a net win since it furthers your intended goals of the good guys winning? | ||
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Mohdoo
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On January 26 2018 01:13 LegalLord wrote: So, as a bit of a “slippery slope” extension of this logic, if Communist Chinese hackers leaked a treasure trove of leaked information that would compromise both Trump and Republicans in Congress, would you consider that a net win since it furthers your intended goals of the good guys winning? No, because that is a different situation. I strictly do not ever buy any slippery slope argument because they are all deficient. There's no need to be so lazy as to apply moral judgments to other situations. We can address every situation 1 by 1, because we are all smart and we all have the time to do so. The idea that morality should be reduced to a set of axioms is something I strongly oppose. You could also ask me if it makes sense to kill an entire family so I can use their bathroom. Similar set of morals being used. But no. | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On January 26 2018 00:34 Plansix wrote: https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/956530213764108288 Man, we are getting close to 1920 anti immigrant hysteria. 100 eats later, same arguments. This seems rather topical. Ah, I remember how totally non-racist the Brexit vote was. How could anyone think racism was a part with such nonpartisan propog-*ahem* literature as this? https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=uk breaking point slogan&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiwuJ28wfPYAhWkJcAKHQJ1APIQ_AUICigB&biw=1600&bih=769#imgrc=gS75koPr_5QFwM: | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
On January 25 2018 21:47 farvacola wrote: You say that jokingly, but Ovechkin is a very public Putin shill  You'd think that but she is crazy in regards to this some of which could easily be identified by her rampant sexism. This is the same woman that devoted nearly a half hour of her show to trying to connect Trump to Russian troops being near NATO countries borders. You read that correctly. Then here is her finer points: + Show Spoiler + And of course: | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On January 26 2018 01:13 LegalLord wrote: So, as a bit of a “slippery slope” extension of this logic, if Communist Chinese hackers leaked a treasure trove of leaked information that would compromise both Trump and Republicans in Congress, would you consider that a net win since it furthers your intended goals of the good guys winning? I’m will LL on this one. I’m all for holding our politicians accountable, but it has to be on our terms. Blaming the Russians for our screwing with our elections side steps the real problem, congress let it get this bad. They looked at things like citizens united and didn’t take into account the lack luster oversight of international investment in the US. They didn’t look at Facebook running targeted political ads and see the danger. And people were beating the drum on this rising problem for years. And they are still doing nothing. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On January 26 2018 01:17 Mohdoo wrote: No, because that is a different situation. I strictly do not ever buy any slippery slope argument because they are all deficient. There's no need to be so lazy as to apply moral judgments to other situations. We can address every situation 1 by 1, because we are all smart and we all have the time to do so. The idea that morality should be reduced to a set of axioms is something I strongly oppose. You could also ask me if it makes sense to kill an entire family so I can use their bathroom. Similar set of morals being used. But no. So basically it’s ok to support a shitty approach, but only as long as you don’t go too far in supporting shitty approaches? I mean, I guess that’s a reasonable way to do it, if vulnerable to going astray. Hope you don’t bitch about Fox News propaganda, though, because that’d make you a hypocrite. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15661 Posts
On January 26 2018 01:23 Plansix wrote: I’m will LL on this one. I’m all for holding our politicians accountable, but it has to be on our terms. Blaming the Russians for our screwing with our elections side steps the real problem, congress let it get this bad. They looked at things like citizens united and didn’t take into account the lack luster oversight of international investment in the US. They didn’t look at Facebook running targeted political ads and see the danger. And people were beating the drum on this rising problem for years. And they are still doing nothing. I see the Maddow bullshit as no different than Fox trying to rile up their base by saying Obama is gonna take their guns. "HEY, HE'LL STEAL YOUR GUNS, SO FUCKING VOTE". Suddenly Cleetus feels like hopping in his 60 year old pick up truck and going out to vote. The kinda dumbfucks that this Maddow crap speaks to are already a lost cause. May as well rile them up enough to get them to vote. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On January 26 2018 01:26 Mohdoo wrote: I see the Maddow bullshit as no different than Fox trying to rile up their base by saying Obama is gonna take their guns. "HEY, HE'LL STEAL YOUR GUNS, SO FUCKING VOTE". Suddenly Cleetus feels like hopping in his 60 year old pick up truck and going out to vote. The kinda dumbfucks that this Maddow crap speaks to are already a lost cause. May as well rile them up enough to get them to vote. I don’t think this plan of fighting fear mongering with more fear mongering has a good end. It just escalates endlessly. | ||
KwarK
United States42548 Posts
Hell, it's the same with internal migration. The kids who escape rural Appalachia to the coasts are the ones who don't want to make a living bartering EBT soda for heroin money. That's part of why those flyover places have become shithole counties, they're experiencing constant merit based emigration. | ||
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iamthedave
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