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On January 26 2018 01:50 iamthedave wrote:
Interesting. I hadn't realised Maddow was so hated. I guess it makes sense if she's the lefty version of Hannity, though. Are you all equally dismissive of John Oliver as well? They seem to be bunched together when I hear them spoken of.
John Oliver is pretty damn shitty but here he has a nontrivial following.
I think the Maddow hate went up after her Trump taxes stunt turned out to be a nothing-burger. Before that people mostly just didn’t care.
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Most of my right leaning friends don’t have a problem with John Oliver because he isn’t news and doesn’t try to claim to be. He digs into a topic and uses comedy to make people pay attention. And he doesn’t claim to be objective.
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On January 26 2018 01:49 KwarK wrote:
The reality is that, excluding personal/family reasons, people tend to migrate up. The kind of immigrants the white nationalists seem to want don't really want to go hang out with a bunch of white nationalists. But you want people who migrate up, they're the ones with initiative who see America as an opportunity to better their station in life through hard work.
Hell, it's the same with internal migration. The kids who escape rural Appalachia to the coasts are the ones who don't want to make a living bartering EBT soda for heroin money. That's part of why those flyover places have become shithole counties, they're experiencing constant merit based emigration.
All of my siblings escaped the dead end rural town that we all grew up in. A place so rural that there isn’t a single rental unit for 30 miles in every direction. And my home town is firmly against immigrants, despite being rural MA, the leftie utopia. I can’t even think how bad is must be in places like Kentucky.
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It seems that a lot of rural areas are having the same problem, I've heard quite a few stories about the herion problem in central Pennsylvania
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This problem isn't new. People in western MA hate Boston for soaking up taxes and never giving them back. Boston hates western MA for not updating their schools or other public services until the state comes crashing down and forces them to do it. The dynamic between Boston and rural parts of the state is exactly the same as the dynamic between the rural states and Washington. We even have our own little Jeff Session who just took the job as lead DA and who is going to work with ICE(He might have some problems with that, since Boston's mayor is having non of that shit).
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Rural areas in America have huge drug problems. I've driven around the US multiple times, and it's always the same shit in the same little towns. No jobs, no formal education, no people giving a fuck, a lot of corrupt politicians putting tax dollars into their pockets, and the best of all, drugs, but we all know, heavy drug use comes along with depression.
It's crazy but the rural people, they never left the recession, they only got worse, and it will only keep getting worse. This is why the war on drugs doesn't work. It only kills, and puts poor people in jail. It's like humans created their own version of "natural selection" based on imaginary fiat.
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The fact that the opioid crisis isn't dominating the entire news cycle at all times bothers me. Especially with stats like this
The latest numbers from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show that 64,070 people died from drug overdoses in 2016. That's a 21 percent increase over the year before. Approximately three-fourths of all drug overdose deaths are now caused by opioids — a class of drugs that includes prescription painkillers as well as heroin and potent synthetic versions like fentanyl.
A new report from Police Executive Research Forum (PERF), an independent research organization that focuses on "critical issues in policing," puts those numbers into context.
According to the report, more Americans died from drug overdoses in 2016 than the number of American lives lost in the entirety of the Vietnam War, which totaled 58,200.
This is the one thing I will blame on Trump. His presidency seems to have turned all of Washington inward in an effort to manage him and his administration. He dominates the news cycle through the office and beyond, leaving no room issues like this.
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On January 26 2018 02:25 Plansix wrote:The fact that the opioid crisis isn't dominating the entire news cycle at all times bothers me. Especially with stats like thisShow nested quote +The latest numbers from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show that 64,070 people died from drug overdoses in 2016. That's a 21 percent increase over the year before. Approximately three-fourths of all drug overdose deaths are now caused by opioids — a class of drugs that includes prescription painkillers as well as heroin and potent synthetic versions like fentanyl.
A new report from Police Executive Research Forum (PERF), an independent research organization that focuses on "critical issues in policing," puts those numbers into context.
According to the report, more Americans died from drug overdoses in 2016 than the number of American lives lost in the entirety of the Vietnam War, which totaled 58,200. This is the one thing I will blame on Trump. His presidency seems to have turned all of Washington inward in an effort to manage him and his administration. He dominates the news cycle through the office and beyond, leaving no room issues like this.
It is interesting that unnatural causes of citizen death are not ranked in order and then tackled in order. We make such a fuss about cultural bullshit while human consciousnesses are extinguished. It is kinda mind blowing.
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We spent decades insisting that we don't have a drug problem, we have a black problem, and that blacks have a "black culture" problem.
That's going to be a hard narrative to overturn.
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On January 26 2018 02:36 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2018 02:25 Plansix wrote:The fact that the opioid crisis isn't dominating the entire news cycle at all times bothers me. Especially with stats like thisThe latest numbers from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show that 64,070 people died from drug overdoses in 2016. That's a 21 percent increase over the year before. Approximately three-fourths of all drug overdose deaths are now caused by opioids — a class of drugs that includes prescription painkillers as well as heroin and potent synthetic versions like fentanyl.
A new report from Police Executive Research Forum (PERF), an independent research organization that focuses on "critical issues in policing," puts those numbers into context.
According to the report, more Americans died from drug overdoses in 2016 than the number of American lives lost in the entirety of the Vietnam War, which totaled 58,200. This is the one thing I will blame on Trump. His presidency seems to have turned all of Washington inward in an effort to manage him and his administration. He dominates the news cycle through the office and beyond, leaving no room issues like this. It is interesting that unnatural causes of citizen death are not ranked in order and then tackled in order. We make such a fuss about cultural bullshit while human consciousnesses are extinguished. It is kinda mind blowing.
I would say that the fuss about cultural bullshit caused by people who don't want us to look at the man behind the curtain. The groups stoking the culture wars always have these odd connections to very wealthy people dumping money into "issues they care about." Because if that culture war stops, we might ask why medical fentanyl is suddenly the opioid of choice.
On January 26 2018 02:37 KwarK wrote:
We spent decades insisting that we don't have a drug problem, we have a black problem, and that blacks have a "black culture" problem.
That's going to be a hard narrative to overturn.
This too. The towns next to my home town have some real drug problems. But the residents will tell you that the real problem is in Worcester and Springfield, which is where the minorities live.
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64070 overdose deaths in a year? That's insane, I had no idea it was this bad.
Didn't Trump declare it a 'official national emergency' though? Did anything happen after that?
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On January 26 2018 02:51 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
64070 overdose deaths in a year? That's insane, I had no idea it was this bad.
Didn't Trump declare it a 'official national emergency' though? Did anything happen after that?
Afaik that opened up something like 70k to help fight the crisis...... So no
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On January 26 2018 02:51 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
64070 overdose deaths in a year? That's insane, I had no idea it was this bad.
Didn't Trump declare it a 'official national emergency' though? Did anything happen after that?
His Admin also cut funding for the tax bill.
President Donald Trump declared the opioid epidemic a 90-day public health emergency in October, but did not make any new funding available. In November the president said he would donate his third quarter salary to the Department of Health and Human Services to help fight the crisis.
Critics say the declaration did virtually nothing to change the status quo and that overdose deaths have continued to mount in the months since. The public health emergency declaration was, in fact, set to expire on January 23, but as the government was headed toward a shut down on Friday, Acting Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services Eric Hargan renewed the national public health emergency for another 90 days.
"This and the administration's other efforts to address the epidemic are tantamount to reshuffling chairs on the Titanic," said Kennedy. "The emergency declaration has accomplished little because there's no funding behind it. You can't expect to stem the tide of a public health crisis that is claiming over 64,000 lives per year without putting your money where your mouth is."
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I dont even know what to do to fight something like this. You could dump thousands and thousands into rural education, economy, jobs, etc etc.. but you cant make a heroin addict stop wanting more heroin.
I have a friend who's older brother just passed away from an overdose.. left behind an infant child and a wife also struggling with her own addiction. The stats are alarming but they dont hit as hard as when it happens to somebody that youve met before.. its really sad
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On January 26 2018 02:51 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
64070 overdose deaths in a year? That's insane, I had no idea it was this bad.
Didn't Trump declare it a 'official national emergency' though? Did anything happen after that?
As a comparison, that is more than one Vietnam war of US deaths each year.
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On January 26 2018 03:04 Aveng3r wrote:
I dont even know what to do to fight something like this. You could dump thousands and thousands into rural education, economy, jobs, etc etc.. but you cant make a heroin addict stop wanting more heroin.
I have a friend who's older brother just passed away from an overdose.. left behind an infant child and a wife also struggling with her own addiction. The stats are alarming but they dont hit as hard as when it happens to somebody that youve met before.. its really sad
You pile money in to stop the bleeding. You open up clinics and rehab everywhere and try to eliminate wait times for services. You educate police and local goverment. You dump money into making the drug that can stop an OD and get hands on with the companies that make it to assure they are not jacking the price. And the states go after the drug companies that have been peddling this shit to doctors and lying about how addictive it was.
But you do it by showing leadership and telling the nation how the problem is going to be addressed. You don't have a 6 month debate about how much it is going to cost and what group of poor people you are going to cut services for to deal with the crisis. There is a very profitable industry of drug companies that can foot the bill, along with a few others.
But at this rate, the problem will get far worse before it gets better and the next administration/congress will have deal with the after math. Because the current group is far more concerned about tax cuts and cutting services than addressing the growing crisis facing the nation.
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On January 26 2018 03:04 Aveng3r wrote:
I dont even know what to do to fight something like this. You could dump thousands and thousands into rural education, economy, jobs, etc etc.. but you cant make a heroin addict stop wanting more heroin.
I have a friend who's older brother just passed away from an overdose.. left behind an infant child and a wife also struggling with her own addiction. The stats are alarming but they dont hit as hard as when it happens to somebody that youve met before.. its really sad
That and fight for legalization of Marijuana which has shown helps drops in overdoses from painkillers, and prescription drugs.
Another study, conducted by researchers at the nonpartisan Rand Corporation and published as a working paper for the National Bureau of Economic Research in 2015, found that medical marijuana availability was linked with reductions in both the opioid overdose death rate and the rate at which people sought treatment for opioid addiction. In states that had the greatest access to medical marijuana via dispensaries, treatment admissions related to opioids were reduced by 28 percent—while overdose death rates fell by 31 percent. Like the JAMA Internal Medicine study, this research also showed that the effect became larger over time.
A third study published in the American Journal of Public Health looked specifically at Colorado and found that its legalization of recreational marijuana sales in 2012 (it legalized medical marijuana in 2000, but did not have dispensaries until 2007) was connected with a 6.5 percent reduction in opioid related deaths. Another study in the same journal found that the percentage of drivers involved in car crashes with opioids in their systems declined among drivers between 21 and 40 in medical marijuana states.
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But instead we have the current idiocy in the House, lead by the chief braintrust Nunes.
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On January 26 2018 03:05 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2018 02:51 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
64070 overdose deaths in a year? That's insane, I had no idea it was this bad.
Didn't Trump declare it a 'official national emergency' though? Did anything happen after that? As a comparison, that is more than one Vietnam war of US deaths each year.
As an admittedly cheap shot thats only 3k less then double the amount of people that die from guns in america per year.
Its primarily the stat that made me pro pot legalization. Making pot legal and cheaper then heroin is the best way I can imagine lowering the amount of people that start heroin.
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On January 26 2018 03:12 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2018 03:04 Aveng3r wrote:
I dont even know what to do to fight something like this. You could dump thousands and thousands into rural education, economy, jobs, etc etc.. but you cant make a heroin addict stop wanting more heroin.
I have a friend who's older brother just passed away from an overdose.. left behind an infant child and a wife also struggling with her own addiction. The stats are alarming but they dont hit as hard as when it happens to somebody that youve met before.. its really sad You pile money in to stop the bleeding. You open up clinics and rehab everywhere and try to eliminate wait times for services. You educate police and local goverment. You dump money into making the drug that can stop an OD and get hands on with the companies that make it to assure they are not jacking the price. And the states go after the drug companies that have been peddling this shit to doctors and lying about how addictive it was. But you do it by showing leadership and telling the nation how the problem is going to be addressed. You don't have a 6 month debate about how much it is going to cost and what group of poor people you are going to cut services for to deal with the crisis. There is a very profitable industry of drug companies that can foot the bill, along with a few others. But at this rate, the problem will get far worse before it gets better and the next administration/congress will have deal with the after math. Because the current group is far more concerned about tax cuts and cutting services than addressing the growing crisis facing the nation.
You also make sure to deal with the secondary health consequences of the epidemic with things like needle exchanges to prevent spread of HIV/HCV, as well as providing naloxone everywhere you can.
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