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On December 16 2017 01:46 Plansix wrote:
Danglars and I agree for once. Congress dropped the ball back on the 1990 when they let the telecoms dictate who got access to cable. Market forces don't drive long lasting infrastructure. Now the internet is critical to the economy, but congress hasn't been involved with it for more than 20 years. Again, leaning on the executive branch to do all the real governing.

On December 16 2017 02:03 Gorsameth wrote:

Isn't that a running theme?

Congress should have acted on X but couldn't be arsed for Y reason? (Y being either bribery or plain lazyness).

On December 16 2017 02:16 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:

The question still remains though; why hasn't it been fixed? Why hasn't some enterprising young upstart raise the issue of fixing the dysfunction?

The Army's Green Berets have gained a reputation over the decades for their toughness and fighting skills. They served with local forces in Vietnam, and in recent years, they've deployed repeatedly to Iraq and Afghanistan. The list of their deployments continues to grow: Niger. Somalia. Yemen. Syria. Philippines.

Now a fight appears to be growing inside the Green Beret community.

An anonymous and scathing 12-page letter that begins — "Our Regiment has a cancer, and it is destroying the SF (Special Forces) legacy, its capability and its credibility" — has gone viral over the past few weeks among active-duty and retired soldiers.

It charges that the Green Beret command at its Fort Bragg, N.C., school has lowered training standards and graduated Green Berets who are "markedly and demonstrably weaker; and quantifiably projecting measurable risk and liability onto the teammates with which they serve."

It is signed: "A concerned Green Beret."

The letter writer's identity remains a mystery at the John F. Kennedy Special Warfare Center and School at Fort Bragg. But the command does not dispute its authenticity and has responded with a letter of its own, signed by the officer who runs the school, Maj. Gen. Kurt Sonntag. It's addressed to the men and women at the school.

"Many of you have seen the anonymous letter calling into question the integrity of our training standards and the quality of the Soldiers being produced. Let me be clear," Sonntag writes in his letter, a copy of which was provided to NPR by the command, "I would be proud to serve with each and every one of our Special Forces Qualification Course graduates, and I stand behind the quality of every Soldier we send to the operational force."

The general went on to say that "no fundamental SF standard has been removed. No academic or character performance standards have been adjusted."

NPR reached out to nearly a dozen current and former Green Berets — none of whom wanted their names used — and got a mixed reaction to the dispute.

Some see the anonymous letter writer as disgruntled or lacking in sufficient experience or being unaware of the bigger picture, namely the difficulty in recruiting and retaining Green Berets.

There are some 7,000 active-duty Green Berets, and officials say they could lose hundreds in the coming years because of the strain of repeated deployments and failure to meet recruiting targets.

Others say the letter writer is raising some important issues.

They contend that the quality of the Special Forces soldiers has decreased for at least several years. "We don't want to lose quality for quantity," said one veteran Green Beret stationed at Fort Bragg, who requested anonymity. "You can't mass produce special operators."

This noncommissioned officer said that he only has a few years left to serve and that he'll stick it out. But if he had 10 more years, he says, he would opt out. He said the loss of veteran operators and the increase in less-competent Green Berets is having an impact.

"It's killing morale," he said.

Still, this Green Beret empathized with the command.

"I see it from both sides. The recruiting pool is gone. They're in a tough spot."

One Green Beret who served with Sonntag in Afghanistan praised his leadership skills and recalled him saying that all Green Berets have a responsibility to make sure every one of them succeeds.

n the anonymous letter, the "concerned Green Beret" takes on physical fitness workouts — where he claims that instructors are punished for making them too hard — and says there are instances of favoritism and cheating.

The author's examples of below-standard students and maligned trainers are complete with names, rank, units and dates.

As far as training, the anonymous letter says students can no longer wash out for failing to pass physical tests, ranging from a 5-mile run to a 12-mile march with a heavy pack to dozens of pushups and situps. Instead, these tests became "diagnostic" to determine the student's level of achievement.

The only way out of Green Beret training is voluntarily withdrawal or injury.

"To say that standards have not been eliminated would be laughable, were it not so tragic," the anonymous letter states.

In his letter, Sonntag defended the diagnostic approach as opposed to simply washing out a student.

Such an effort gives instructors "more time to prepare the students for these events. Students must meet these standards prior to joining the operational force," the general wrote.

Those who applied and passed the physical tests and assessment to become a Green Beret student, the general wrote, should be able to make it through the more than yearlong qualifying course. If such an assessment "is correct, and we believe it is, the [Special Forces Qualifying Course] is not a place where high attrition rates should occur."

Sonntag declined an interview request from NPR. Instead, he agreed to address a few questions through his staff.

The anonymous letter writer says one Green Beret officer during a meeting ordered a 92 percent pass rate, though Sonntag says, "There has been no graduation percentage set by any level of command." The school declined to talk about graduation rates, but one current Green Beret said his class a decade ago saw more than 50 percent fail.

Sonntag did offer one statistic in his letter to the school: "In 2017, more than 2,000 Soldiers attempted the [Special Forces Assessment and Selection], and 541 graduated from the [Special Forces Qualifying Course]."

But he offered no numbers on how many passed the assessment and made it into the qualifying course, so there is no sense of the fail rate.

The anonymous letter writer claims there is a reason the standards are being adjusted: To bring in female candidates, a view supported by one of the Green Berets contacted by NPR. The Pentagon allowed women to apply for Green Beret training two years ago. Only a handful have tried; none have passed.

But Sonntag also denies that standards have in any way been altered to bring in more female students, saying in response to an NPR question: "That is not the case. Special operations training is inclusive, and each candidate is held to the same standard."

The general ends his letter to the troops by saying he wants a "healthy dialogue as a means of improvement."

"Every level of command," the general writes, "has been encouraged to challenge the current process, phasing and training methodology to ensure (the school's) training remains relevant."

On December 16 2017 02:19 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Isn't that basically the point of creating regulatory bodies in the first place? Having a specialized group that focus better than several hundred catch-all politicians, who can also continue to function regardless of government action/inaction.

It doesn't mean that congress can't have oversight.

On December 16 2017 02:16 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:

The question still remains though; why hasn't it been fixed? Why hasn't some enterprising young upstart raise the issue of fixing the dysfunction?

On December 16 2017 02:51 Plansix wrote:

Pandora's box rule. Once one side does it, there is little motivation or trust to undo it. It's giving power back to the people who just recently abused it.

On December 16 2017 02:51 Plansix wrote:

Pandora's box rule. Once one side does it, there is little motivation or trust to undo it. It's giving power back to the people who just recently abused it.

On December 16 2017 02:16 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:

The question still remains though; why hasn't it been fixed? Why hasn't some enterprising young upstart raise the issue of fixing the dysfunction?

On December 16 2017 03:12 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:

I understand that. Was hoping for someone to come up with something different. But if you think long term, having it fixed would be better than the shit we have now, no?

Agreed. The uninformed voter sits screaming at the television for the politicians to fix it and to do their jobs, not knowing the details of why they cannot do their jobs. The sound, thoughtful policy part is really the sad thing in all of this, because when you allow shady politicos pull on your heartstrings, you get the tax reform, the net neutrality, and the paris climate agreement fiascoes.

On December 16 2017 02:50 Plansix wrote:

Yes, but when you offload all of the oversight to that body for 20 year, there is no buy in from congress. Congress members use these agencies as punching bags, rather than groups they are supposed to manage.

On December 16 2017 03:33 Gorsameth wrote:

Step 1 would probably have to be to change how Congress can change the rules that govern it. Since if the Democrats change the rules while they have a majority the Republicans can simply change it back next time.

I'd say atleast a 2/3 majority required for any change.

ps.
Funny enough I looked up how it works for my own country (Netherlands) since I didn't know. Turns out a simply majority vote is all it takes for changes. Guess it helps to not have a dysfunctional government.

On December 16 2017 03:58 Nevuk wrote:
https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/941710865467871232

I don't think this position will prove popular with anyone, even though Mrco Rubio is basically a hollow suit with no convictions.

On December 16 2017 03:58 Nevuk wrote:
https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/941710865467871232

I don't think this position will prove popular with anyone, even though Mrco Rubio is basically a hollow suit with no convictions.