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On October 06 2017 06:10 ahswtini wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2017 06:01 Nebuchad wrote:On October 06 2017 05:53 ahswtini wrote:On October 06 2017 05:35 Nebuchad wrote:On October 06 2017 05:14 ahswtini wrote:On October 06 2017 03:58 Nebuchad wrote:On October 06 2017 02:47 KwarK wrote:
Can we have a Swiss guy explain once and for all that they're not constantly out with their buddies drinking and shooting with their assault rifles? Gun ownership stats of Switzerland are inflated because when you do your mandatory military service (mandatory with exceptions, I may add), you get to keep your gun. You do not however get to keep ammunition for said gun, the military keeps that and gives them to you during your time of military service. If you want to buy some ammunition, the same gun control laws apply as if you want to buy another gun. They're strict enough, I wouldn't be surprised if they aren't as strict as the rest of Europe but they do the job. We own a whole bunch of empty guns. Outside of people in uniform going to do their service, I've never seen a gun in Switzerland. I've never interacted with anyone and thought that they could shoot me if I got them angry. It's just not a thing. This is your daily reminder that republicans are bullshitting you about Switzerland. Which is in line with what they do on most other subjects. out of curiosity, what canton are you from? i shoot in switzerland on an annual basis in and around the bernese oberland (including at the military shooting range in Thun, ranges in Interlaken and even up in Gimmelwald). obviously my experience will be biased, but in bern, i see so many ranges. you can be driving down a major road and see a range set up in the field next to it. honestly, gun control laws in switzerland aren't that strict. all you have to do is fill in a form, send a criminal record certificate, and your ID to your local cantonal weapons office. a couple of weeks later, you get your weapons acquisition permit (WES). you take that to a gun shop and buy the guns that you applied for. if you ever want to buy ammo, you just show them the WES. as a foreign national, who doesn't even reside in the country, i possess a Sig P210 (amazingly accurate gun, finest swiss engineering) that i store at a range there. all i had to do was fill out the same form, send a copy of my criminal record statement from my own police constabulary, send a copy of my UK firearms certificate to show that i'm allowed to possess firearms in my home country, and a copy of my passport. I'm from Fribourg. What was in the form exactly? I'm curious how they figure out that you're "psychiatrically qualified" from just that (it probably helped that you already had a permit from the UK if I had to guess). In any case I would have to assume that you're a good guy with a gun (TM): if gun regulations work well, you aren't supposed to have trouble. My guess is you would have more trouble if you attempted to buy "more dangerous" weapons, or a larger number than you bought, that type of thing. I think it's also relevant that you store the gun at the range. here's the form for Bern https://www.police.be.ch/police/de/index/vorschriften/vorschriften/waffen/gesuche-dokumente.assetref/dam/documents/POM/Police/de/Waffen/gesuch_waffenerwerbsschein_de.pdfwell, like i said, i have to send them a copy of my criminal record in the UK, and my UK permit. i shoot in switzerland as part of a british club. it was set up by members who wanted to move their pistols abroad after the UK handgun ban in 1997. the authorisation to set up the club went all the way to the Swiss president at the time, who overruled his attorney general who initially had denied the club the right to operate (for political reasons). all of the members also continue to shoot in the UK and so have their own permits. i don't know if someone without a permit from their home country would be able to get a WES. however, many of the members have Stgw90s and AR-15s, as well as the older Stgw57s and K31s, and had no trouble getting permits for those. there is an NRA-ILA article with a piece at the end that talks about the club: https://www.nraila.org/articles/20080219/backfire-in-britain There's enough specific circumstances here that I would expect it would have been harder for you to do that without it, even though I don't really have a clue. As part of the club they would know why you want that permit and what you plan to use the gun for, it's a set of circumstances and a logic that work. I'm also fairly confident that, since the UK gun laws are stricter than the swiss ones, already having that permit was helpful. The range helps especially when it comes to residency since you - I would imagine - don't have a carrying permit. But there is nothing on the form (I think, my German is awful) that indicates my club membership. Nor what my firearm storage arrangements are. If you look on the Swiss Federal website, they do have a special section for non-Swiss nationals/residence. Which leads me to believe I'm not a special case. https://www.ch.ch/en/acquiring-firearm/Show nested quote +If you live abroad or do not have a residence C permit, you will need a firearms acquisition permit or a special licence each time you acquire a firearm.
Fair. It's probably easier than I perceived it to be, although I would still guess your UK permit was helpful.
I stand by my point when it comes to how it's presented by republicans in the US though.
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On October 06 2017 06:31 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2017 06:17 farvacola wrote:
Don't be obtuse when you clearly don't know anything about how much Mueller's been in contact with New York. You keep hope alive with the New York stuff. Pretty sure it's going to end like I thought it would when it started. Show nested quote +On May 19 2017 14:36 GreenHorizons wrote:
Mueller is a pro at letting people off the hook. He cleared the NFL on the Ray Rice thing (while not really clearing them) and he helped stop the renewal of a wildly unconstitutional wiretapping program (while not really stopping the wiretapping).
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When Mueller is done he'll say Trump's team did some questionable/bad stuff, none of it will be "throw him in jail/must impeach" bad (although I don't doubt it's there). Or Trump wont be able to control himself (very possible) and he'll force congress's hand into pressuring him out (this is only if they absolutely have to and it's seen as less damaging than keeping him there).
Well you are a deeply cynical person. Even more cynical than me.
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On October 06 2017 06:36 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2017 06:10 ahswtini wrote:On October 06 2017 06:01 Nebuchad wrote:On October 06 2017 05:53 ahswtini wrote:On October 06 2017 05:35 Nebuchad wrote:On October 06 2017 05:14 ahswtini wrote:On October 06 2017 03:58 Nebuchad wrote:On October 06 2017 02:47 KwarK wrote:
Can we have a Swiss guy explain once and for all that they're not constantly out with their buddies drinking and shooting with their assault rifles? Gun ownership stats of Switzerland are inflated because when you do your mandatory military service (mandatory with exceptions, I may add), you get to keep your gun. You do not however get to keep ammunition for said gun, the military keeps that and gives them to you during your time of military service. If you want to buy some ammunition, the same gun control laws apply as if you want to buy another gun. They're strict enough, I wouldn't be surprised if they aren't as strict as the rest of Europe but they do the job. We own a whole bunch of empty guns. Outside of people in uniform going to do their service, I've never seen a gun in Switzerland. I've never interacted with anyone and thought that they could shoot me if I got them angry. It's just not a thing. This is your daily reminder that republicans are bullshitting you about Switzerland. Which is in line with what they do on most other subjects. out of curiosity, what canton are you from? i shoot in switzerland on an annual basis in and around the bernese oberland (including at the military shooting range in Thun, ranges in Interlaken and even up in Gimmelwald). obviously my experience will be biased, but in bern, i see so many ranges. you can be driving down a major road and see a range set up in the field next to it. honestly, gun control laws in switzerland aren't that strict. all you have to do is fill in a form, send a criminal record certificate, and your ID to your local cantonal weapons office. a couple of weeks later, you get your weapons acquisition permit (WES). you take that to a gun shop and buy the guns that you applied for. if you ever want to buy ammo, you just show them the WES. as a foreign national, who doesn't even reside in the country, i possess a Sig P210 (amazingly accurate gun, finest swiss engineering) that i store at a range there. all i had to do was fill out the same form, send a copy of my criminal record statement from my own police constabulary, send a copy of my UK firearms certificate to show that i'm allowed to possess firearms in my home country, and a copy of my passport. I'm from Fribourg. What was in the form exactly? I'm curious how they figure out that you're "psychiatrically qualified" from just that (it probably helped that you already had a permit from the UK if I had to guess). In any case I would have to assume that you're a good guy with a gun (TM): if gun regulations work well, you aren't supposed to have trouble. My guess is you would have more trouble if you attempted to buy "more dangerous" weapons, or a larger number than you bought, that type of thing. I think it's also relevant that you store the gun at the range. here's the form for Bern https://www.police.be.ch/police/de/index/vorschriften/vorschriften/waffen/gesuche-dokumente.assetref/dam/documents/POM/Police/de/Waffen/gesuch_waffenerwerbsschein_de.pdfwell, like i said, i have to send them a copy of my criminal record in the UK, and my UK permit. i shoot in switzerland as part of a british club. it was set up by members who wanted to move their pistols abroad after the UK handgun ban in 1997. the authorisation to set up the club went all the way to the Swiss president at the time, who overruled his attorney general who initially had denied the club the right to operate (for political reasons). all of the members also continue to shoot in the UK and so have their own permits. i don't know if someone without a permit from their home country would be able to get a WES. however, many of the members have Stgw90s and AR-15s, as well as the older Stgw57s and K31s, and had no trouble getting permits for those. there is an NRA-ILA article with a piece at the end that talks about the club: https://www.nraila.org/articles/20080219/backfire-in-britain There's enough specific circumstances here that I would expect it would have been harder for you to do that without it, even though I don't really have a clue. As part of the club they would know why you want that permit and what you plan to use the gun for, it's a set of circumstances and a logic that work. I'm also fairly confident that, since the UK gun laws are stricter than the swiss ones, already having that permit was helpful. The range helps especially when it comes to residency since you - I would imagine - don't have a carrying permit. But there is nothing on the form (I think, my German is awful) that indicates my club membership. Nor what my firearm storage arrangements are. If you look on the Swiss Federal website, they do have a special section for non-Swiss nationals/residence. Which leads me to believe I'm not a special case. https://www.ch.ch/en/acquiring-firearm/If you live abroad or do not have a residence C permit, you will need a firearms acquisition permit or a special licence each time you acquire a firearm. Fair. It's probably easier than I perceived it to be, although I would still guess your UK permit was helpful. I stand by my point when it comes to how it's presented by republicans in the US though.
agreed, getting a carry permit is incredibly difficult, nothing close to shall-issue
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On October 06 2017 06:16 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2017 06:14 farvacola wrote:
Mueller isn't angling towards a direct impeachment of Trumo, he's going the long way around. You mean the way that doesn't get there?
Its hard to get somewhere when you don't know your destination, which is, generally, the problem with the Mueller group. They are an investigation in search of a crime, which is why people oppose special prosecutors in general (also because its incredibly easy to pin crimes related to process, misstatements, and disclosure. There are probably like 3 people in the federal government you couldn't pull a Martha Stewart on if you tried hard enough.
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On October 06 2017 06:38 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2017 06:31 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 06 2017 06:17 farvacola wrote:
Don't be obtuse when you clearly don't know anything about how much Mueller's been in contact with New York. You keep hope alive with the New York stuff. Pretty sure it's going to end like I thought it would when it started. On May 19 2017 14:36 GreenHorizons wrote:
Mueller is a pro at letting people off the hook. He cleared the NFL on the Ray Rice thing (while not really clearing them) and he helped stop the renewal of a wildly unconstitutional wiretapping program (while not really stopping the wiretapping).
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When Mueller is done he'll say Trump's team did some questionable/bad stuff, none of it will be "throw him in jail/must impeach" bad (although I don't doubt it's there). Or Trump wont be able to control himself (very possible) and he'll force congress's hand into pressuring him out (this is only if they absolutely have to and it's seen as less damaging than keeping him there). Well you are a deeply cynical person. Even more cynical than me.
I think being Black helps.
When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things. For now we see in a mirror, darkly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.
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On October 06 2017 06:55 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2017 06:16 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 06 2017 06:14 farvacola wrote:
Mueller isn't angling towards a direct impeachment of Trumo, he's going the long way around. You mean the way that doesn't get there? Its hard to get somewhere when you don't know your destination, which is, generally, the problem with the Mueller group. They are an investigation in search of a crime, which is why people oppose special prosecutors in general (also because its incredibly easy to pin crimes related to process, misstatements, and disclosure. There are probably like 3 people in the federal government you couldn't pull a Martha Stewart on if you tried hard enough.
But the problem is there is no one else to do the job in this case. We do not have a system to investigate the president for potential crimes.
On October 06 2017 07:05 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2017 06:38 Plansix wrote:On October 06 2017 06:31 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 06 2017 06:17 farvacola wrote:
Don't be obtuse when you clearly don't know anything about how much Mueller's been in contact with New York. You keep hope alive with the New York stuff. Pretty sure it's going to end like I thought it would when it started. On May 19 2017 14:36 GreenHorizons wrote:
Mueller is a pro at letting people off the hook. He cleared the NFL on the Ray Rice thing (while not really clearing them) and he helped stop the renewal of a wildly unconstitutional wiretapping program (while not really stopping the wiretapping).
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When Mueller is done he'll say Trump's team did some questionable/bad stuff, none of it will be "throw him in jail/must impeach" bad (although I don't doubt it's there). Or Trump wont be able to control himself (very possible) and he'll force congress's hand into pressuring him out (this is only if they absolutely have to and it's seen as less damaging than keeping him there). Well you are a deeply cynical person. Even more cynical than me. I think being Black helps. Show nested quote +When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things. For now we see in a mirror, darkly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.
Can't argue with that. But Trump has few friends in congress, but its likely a wait until after 2018 for them to pull the trigger.
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that is some james bond shit.
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http://status.pr/
I just found that this exists. Puerto Rico has a website devoted to the hurricane and showing what resources are up/running.
9.2% of the population has electricity a few weeks after the hurricane.
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That's actually really sad. It takes like, 5 seconds to get an image of one.... less than that with google.
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Same DA that let the Trump kids off the hook and was paid.
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On October 06 2017 07:07 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2017 06:55 cLutZ wrote:On October 06 2017 06:16 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 06 2017 06:14 farvacola wrote:
Mueller isn't angling towards a direct impeachment of Trumo, he's going the long way around. You mean the way that doesn't get there? Its hard to get somewhere when you don't know your destination, which is, generally, the problem with the Mueller group. They are an investigation in search of a crime, which is why people oppose special prosecutors in general (also because its incredibly easy to pin crimes related to process, misstatements, and disclosure. There are probably like 3 people in the federal government you couldn't pull a Martha Stewart on if you tried hard enough. But the problem is there is no one else to do the job in this case. We do not have a system to investigate the president for potential crimes.
We do not really have a system to investigate potential crimes at all. We have a system that investigates crimes, which is what I (and others) believe to be the general problem, because we have not been informed what the crime is.
People like me remember Russian propaganda efforts dating back to the 2008 and 2012 elections akin to what people are investigating in cooperation with Facebook right now. Its kinda interesting, but more a good place for Congressman to grandstand about than a place for a federal investigation. On the other hand, we have no evidence vote totals were tampered with which is the place for a federal investigation.
Such is the issue in general, they are searching for a crime, and eventually they will find a crime possibly with Manafort because he's been skirting the law for decades, but also they would find a crime if they investigated Marco Rubio's campaign, or Bernie's, or Justin Timberlake's taxes with this many investigators. Its really freaking easy to find federal crimes, that is Preet Bahara's entire career: Picking a person then finding the crime.
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wonder if thats why he got kicked off AF1
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Why do you fall for lies? Did you click through? That guy doesn't have a link. Here is a CNN article about bump stocks. Look at the image.
http://money.cnn.com/2017/10/05/smallbusiness/bump-fire-stocks/index.html
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Further, of all the shit arguments against gun control, the fake outrage over non-gun people not getting gun part definitions right has to be a top 3 shit argument. "Some lib somewhere didn't get detail XXX right on a gun, therefore no gun control!"
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On October 06 2017 07:51 Wulfey_LA wrote:Why do you fall for lies? Did you click through? That guy doesn't have a link. Here is a CNN article about bump stocks. Look at the image. http://money.cnn.com/2017/10/05/smallbusiness/bump-fire-stocks/index.html+ Show Spoiler +Further, of all the shit arguments against gun control, the fake outrage over non-gun people not getting gun part definitions right has to be a top 3 shit argument. "Some lib somewhere didn't get detail XXX right on a gun, therefore no gun control!"
I went through the same issue with my gun nut friend. He questioned if I knew what it was and then got pissy when I didn't use exactly the terms to satisfy his "test". Then he tried to say it didn't matter after I clarified, because at the time the going story was that he had an automatic weapon and not a bumpfire stock, so the whole discussion was pointless.
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I can understand when the complaint is over terminology : ie banning "assault weapons" but having non-assault weapons in the ban list.
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On October 06 2017 08:00 Nevuk wrote:
I can understand when the complaint is over terminology : ie banning "assault weapons" but having non-assault weapons in the ban list.
The difference in verbage was laughably small.
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EPT![[image loading]](http://i2.cdn.turner.com/money/dam/assets/171005120936-bump-stock-780x439.jpg)
