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Plansix
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
On October 06 2017 04:34 Danglars wrote: Check your partisanship at the door. These days you can chide the Obama administration for ignoring his defined powers in some cases and restraining himself in others. Your whole post is assuming people are adopting opinions you haven't heard them espouse then blaming them for the opinions you prescribed to them. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On October 06 2017 04:45 OuchyDathurts wrote: UPS will deliver ammo to you. You don't even need to leave the comfort of your underground doomsday bunker to stock up! You need to be 21+ and sign for it, but it'll come right to you. I can have ammo shipped to my house, but not a sling shot in my state. Cross bows are more heavily regulated than shotguns. That is how awesome gun laws are here in the US. | ||
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On October 06 2017 04:45 Logo wrote: Your whole post is assuming people are adopting opinions you haven't heard them espouse then blaming them for the opinions you prescribed to them. My post brought up five clear examples for why this legislative and executive distinction is very badly defined for the Obama administration. Care to comment, or do you assume people are too dumb to judge that administration by it's other actions as well? That's a great example of assuming people are adopting opinions. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
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LegalLord
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Logo
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On October 06 2017 04:55 Danglars wrote: My post brought up five clear examples for why this legislative and executive distinction is very badly defined for the Obama administration. Care to comment, or do you assume people are too dumb to judge that administration by it's other actions as well? That's a great example of assuming people are adopting opinions. Comment on what? An executive branch not trying to regulate something they don't have authority over is not shocking. You tried to pin a bunch of gotchas on me as if I supported everything Obama did in a pretty ridiculous way. It doesn't even make sense with partisan bias; you could be happy that Obama got away with some executive actions and still recognize the role of the executive branch and its limitations. None of this makes sense, it's all lowest denominator type stuff (both the statement passively aggressively Obama and your follow through of it). | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Like what the fuck is this shit? | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
On October 06 2017 03:58 Nebuchad wrote: Gun ownership stats of Switzerland are inflated because when you do your mandatory military service (mandatory with exceptions, I may add), you get to keep your gun. You do not however get to keep ammunition for said gun, the military keeps that and gives them to you during your time of military service. If you want to buy some ammunition, the same gun control laws apply as if you want to buy another gun. They're strict enough, I wouldn't be surprised if they aren't as strict as the rest of Europe but they do the job. We own a whole bunch of empty guns. Outside of people in uniform going to do their service, I've never seen a gun in Switzerland. I've never interacted with anyone and thought that they could shoot me if I got them angry. It's just not a thing. This is your daily reminder that republicans are bullshitting you about Switzerland. Which is in line with what they do on most other subjects. out of curiosity, what canton are you from? i shoot in switzerland on an annual basis in and around the bernese oberland (including at the military shooting range in Thun, ranges in Interlaken and even up in Gimmelwald). obviously my experience will be biased, but in bern, i see so many ranges. you can be driving down a major road and see a range set up in the field next to it. honestly, gun control laws in switzerland aren't that strict. all you have to do is fill in a form, send a criminal record certificate, and your ID to your local cantonal weapons office. a couple of weeks later, you get your weapons acquisition permit (WES). you take that to a gun shop and buy the guns that you applied for. if you ever want to buy ammo, you just show them the WES. as a foreign national, who doesn't even reside in the country, i possess a Sig P210 (amazingly accurate gun, finest swiss engineering) that i store at a range there. all i had to do was fill out the same form, send a copy of my criminal record statement from my own police constabulary, send a copy of my UK firearms certificate to show that i'm allowed to possess firearms in my home country, and a copy of my passport. | ||
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dankobanana
Croatia244 Posts
On October 06 2017 05:14 ahswtini wrote: as a foreign national, who doesn't even reside in the country, i possess a Sig P210 (amazingly accurate gun, finest swiss engineering) that i store at a range there. all i had to do was fill out the same form, send a copy of my criminal record statement from my own police constabulary, send a copy of my UK firearms certificate to show that i'm allowed to possess firearms in my home country, and a copy of my passport. i think that would be called "infringing on your freedom" in the USA | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
Then again in the US the gov wouldn't know you have that many guns if you brought them in personal sales right? | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22103 Posts
On October 06 2017 05:05 Plansix wrote: https://twitter.com/elspethreeve/status/916005548205715456 Like what the fuck is this shit? That is the shit the Tea Party dragged into Congress. That is why its a horrible horrible dysfunctional mess. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On October 06 2017 05:04 Logo wrote: Comment on what? An executive branch not trying to regulate something they don't have authority over is not shocking. You tried to pin a bunch of gotchas on me as if I supported everything Obama did in a pretty ridiculous way. It doesn't even make sense with partisan bias; you could be happy that Obama got away with some executive actions and still recognize the role of the executive branch and its limitations. None of this makes sense, it's all lowest denominator type stuff (both the statement passively aggressively Obama and your follow through of it). You can be happy Obama got away with some executive actions and still recognize the role of the executive branch and its limitations. After that gem of a standard, I guess we're concluded on this topic. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On October 06 2017 05:20 dankobanana wrote: i think that would be called "infringing on your freedom" in the USA He can’t keep the weapon loaded, in his home, leaning against his bed. How can he have freedom if he can’t keep loaded weapons all around his how like John Wick? On October 06 2017 05:22 Logo wrote: Try and buy 29 more guns and see if it gets progressively harder for you @ahswtini (I'm legitimately curious if it would and by how much in other countries compared to the US). Then again in the US the gov wouldn't know you have that many guns if you brought them in personal sales right? It is illegal for the ATF to collect or maintain a data base of gun sales, if I remember correctly. I can’t remember if they are still not allowed to use a computer to keep their current records. That was illegal for a while too. | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
On October 06 2017 05:22 Logo wrote: Try and buy 29 more guns and see if it gets progressively harder for you @ahswtini (I'm legitimately curious if it would and by how much in other countries compared to the US). Then again in the US the gov wouldn't know you have that many guns if you brought them in personal sales right? if you would be willing to finance the purchase of 29 more guns, sure :p i don't think the US gov is even supposed to know how many sales from gun stores you have made. | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
On October 06 2017 05:23 Danglars wrote: You can be happy Obama got away with some executive actions and still recognize the role of the executive branch and its limitations. After that gem of a standard, I guess we're concluded on this topic. What standard? No one made any standards? You're trying to grasp at straws here. Are you conflating with my understanding that someone could hold a particular thought in their head with me holding that particular thought in my head? | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12392 Posts
On October 06 2017 05:14 ahswtini wrote: out of curiosity, what canton are you from? i shoot in switzerland on an annual basis in and around the bernese oberland (including at the military shooting range in Thun, ranges in Interlaken and even up in Gimmelwald). obviously my experience will be biased, but in bern, i see so many ranges. you can be driving down a major road and see a range set up in the field next to it. honestly, gun control laws in switzerland aren't that strict. all you have to do is fill in a form, send a criminal record certificate, and your ID to your local cantonal weapons office. a couple of weeks later, you get your weapons acquisition permit (WES). you take that to a gun shop and buy the guns that you applied for. if you ever want to buy ammo, you just show them the WES. as a foreign national, who doesn't even reside in the country, i possess a Sig P210 (amazingly accurate gun, finest swiss engineering) that i store at a range there. all i had to do was fill out the same form, send a copy of my criminal record statement from my own police constabulary, send a copy of my UK firearms certificate to show that i'm allowed to possess firearms in my home country, and a copy of my passport. I'm from Fribourg. What was in the form exactly? I'm curious how they figure out that you're "psychiatrically qualified" from just that (it probably helped that you already had a permit from the UK if I had to guess). In any case I would have to assume that you're a good guy with a gun (TM): if gun regulations work well, you aren't supposed to have trouble. My guess is you would have more trouble if you attempted to buy "more dangerous" weapons, or a larger number than you bought, that type of thing. I think it's also relevant that you store the gun at the range. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23664 Posts
On October 06 2017 05:25 ahswtini wrote: if you would be willing to finance the purchase of 29 more guns, sure :p i don't think the US gov is even supposed to know how many sales from gun stores you have made. They wouldn't but the information can be reconstructed from bills of sale and such from shops that openly share the information with authorities. Serial numbers can be traced back to manufacturers who can then trace the sale to a vendor, then obviously the owner has possession of the gun (unless it's stolen or sold at a show or between family of course). Let's also not pretend black or brown people buying 29 guns in the US wouldn't raise some eyebrows (provided they weren't well spread out among sellers). EDIT: As an aside, the overwhelming majority of (particularly) white male shooters are on mood altering drugs with a known side effect of increasing the likelihood of suicide. That should probably be a reason not to be able to legally own a gun. Reminder, they already have this law (and it held on appeal) for cannabis. | ||
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