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On October 06 2017 02:47 KwarK wrote:
Can we have a Swiss guy explain once and for all that they're not constantly out with their buddies drinking and shooting with their assault rifles?
Gun ownership stats of Switzerland are inflated because when you do your mandatory military service (mandatory with exceptions, I may add), you get to keep your gun. You do not however get to keep ammunition for said gun, the military keeps that and gives them to you during your time of military service. If you want to buy some ammunition, the same gun control laws apply as if you want to buy another gun. They're strict enough, I wouldn't be surprised if they aren't as strict as the rest of Europe but they do the job. We own a whole bunch of empty guns.
Outside of people in uniform going to do their service, I've never seen a gun in Switzerland. I've never interacted with anyone and thought that they could shoot me if I got them angry. It's just not a thing.
This is your daily reminder that republicans are bullshitting you about Switzerland. Which is in line with what they do on most other subjects.
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Can you keep ammo in your home? I would assume a small amount is legal.
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As far as some republicans and the NRA go with the whole bump stock issue, I'd like to believe it's more than window dressing but the history of the situation leads me to think that's all it is until further notice. I will be happy to be proven wrong.
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Las Vegas survivors furious as YouTube promotes clips calling shooting a hoax
YouTube is promoting conspiracy theory videos claiming that the Las Vegas mass shooting was a hoax, outraging survivors and victims’ families, in the latest case of tech companies spreading offensive propaganda.
It’s only been days since a gunman inside the Mandalay Bay hotel opened fire on a music festival, killing 58 people and injuring nearly 500. But videos questioning whether the shooting really happened and claiming that the government has lied about basic facts have already garnered millions of views on YouTube and are continuing to run rampant.
It appears YouTube is actively helping these videos reach wide audiences. Searching for “Las Vegas shooting videos” immediately leads to a wide range of viral videos suggesting that law enforcement and others have purposefully deceived the public. Some label the tragedy a “false flag”, a term conspiracy theorists typically use to refer to mass shootings they say are staged by the government to advance gun control.
Stephen Melanson, whose wife and daughter were both shot in the attack, told the Guardian he believed YouTube should take down videos suggesting the deadliest mass shooting in modern US history had been faked.
“When I see my wife fighting for her life with a gunshot wound to her chest, and my daughter was also shot, it’s pretty conclusive evidence that it did happen,” said Melanson, whose wife, two daughters and two friends escaped alive from the Route 91 Harvest festival on Sunday night. “My daughter texted me … ‘There is a shooting right in front of us’ and another text said, ‘Mom is shot.’”
One video on the first page of results on the Google-owned video platform Wednesday morning was called Las Vegas ‘Shooting’ … Did It Actually Happen? and questioned whether the attack was “fake” and if victims were “actors”. It had more than 250,000 views after one day on the site.
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Can someone please regulate this stupid fucking website that used to be filled with fun cat videos? It is clearly google has no idea what it is doing. The families from Sandy Hook still receive threats and harassment from people.
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On October 06 2017 04:00 Plansix wrote:
Can you keep ammo in your home? I would assume a small amount.
You can if you clear the gun regulation that you would need to clear to buy a gun. You need to prove that you legally own the guns that go with the ammunition and that everything is in order (I don't really know the specifics). There are some specific hunting rifles that you don't need a permit to own, and even for the ammo for these there are controls in place.
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Wow you must have massive fucking balls to passive aggressively blame Obama for lax gun regulation.
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On October 06 2017 04:11 Logo wrote:Wow you must have massive fucking balls to passive aggressively blame Obama for lax gun regulation.
Lol it's the Republican NRA. "We strive for the biggest balls" is practically the party mission statement.
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On October 06 2017 04:14 Ryzel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2017 04:11 Logo wrote:Wow you must have massive fucking balls to passive aggressively blame Obama for lax gun regulation. Lol it's the Republican NRA. "We strive for the biggest balls" is practically the party mission statement.
Well they also have some help from the Whitehouse.
http://www.businessinsider.com/kellyanne-conway-bump-stocks-las-vegas-shooting-guns-control-2017-10
After suggesting Republicans would be open to regulating bump stocks, Conway attacked Democrats for not having already done so, noting that in 2010 the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives decided not to ban the devices, which remain legal.
"This is a device that Obama's ATF decided would not be regulated in 2010, and I think that's an important part of this conversation," she said.
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On October 06 2017 04:11 Logo wrote:Wow you must have massive fucking balls to passive aggressively blame Obama for lax gun regulation.
You have to understand it's very fun how shocked and reactionary people get when they point out it was Obama's ATF that drew regulations allowing them.
In a media and twitter environment where the NRA has blood on their hands or we need to consider older white men as more dangerous than Muslim terrorists, you're inviting the opposition to rake you over the coals in like manner.
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On October 06 2017 04:25 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2017 04:11 Logo wrote:Wow you must have massive fucking balls to passive aggressively blame Obama for lax gun regulation. You have to understand it's very fun how shocked and reactionary people get when they point out it was Obama's ATF that drew regulations allowing them. In a media and twitter environment where the NRA has blood on their hands or we need to consider older white men as more dangerous than Muslim terrorists, you're inviting the opposition to rake you over the coals in like manner.
It's only shocking if you don't understand the concept of executive vs legislative power.
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On October 06 2017 04:25 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2017 04:11 Logo wrote:Wow you must have massive fucking balls to passive aggressively blame Obama for lax gun regulation. You have to understand it's very fun how shocked and reactionary people get when they point out it was Obama's ATF that drew regulations allowing them. In a media and twitter environment where the NRA has blood on their hands or we need to consider older white men as more dangerous than Muslim terrorists, you're inviting the opposition to rake you over the coals in like manner.
Actually they didnt draw regulation allowing them, they simply cant regulate them because it falls out of the scope of stuff they are able to regulate.
Unless you want the ATF to regulate all fire arm parts ? Do you ?
On October 06 2017 04:29 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2017 04:10 Nebuchad wrote:On October 06 2017 04:00 Plansix wrote:
Can you keep ammo in your home? I would assume a small amount. You can if you clear the gun regulation that you would need to clear to buy a gun. You need to prove that you legally own the guns that go with the ammunition and that everything is in order (I don't really know the specifics). There are some specific hunting rifles that you don't need a permit to own, and even for the ammo for these there are controls in place. Looks like a simple law that only requires similar to a background check to me. Swiss citizens can correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like I'm a 65 year old white swiss man who has a semiauto rifle and clean history of crime and mental health, I can walk out of a store with 50 or 100 rounds with my permit checked.
Yeab but if you get 30 of em someone might raise an eyebrow. This "wouldnt have made a difference" obtuseness is so shocking, "ya'll are so fucked"
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On October 06 2017 04:10 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2017 04:00 Plansix wrote:
Can you keep ammo in your home? I would assume a small amount. You can if you clear the gun regulation that you would need to clear to buy a gun. You need to prove that you legally own the guns that go with the ammunition and that everything is in order (I don't really know the specifics). There are some specific hunting rifles that you don't need a permit to own, and even for the ammo for these there are controls in place.
Looks like a simple law that only requires similar to a background check to me. Swiss citizens can correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like I'm a 65 year old white swiss man who has a semiauto rifle and clean history of crime and mental health, I can walk out of a store with 50 or 100 rounds with my permit checked.
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On October 06 2017 04:29 Logo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2017 04:25 Danglars wrote:On October 06 2017 04:11 Logo wrote:Wow you must have massive fucking balls to passive aggressively blame Obama for lax gun regulation. You have to understand it's very fun how shocked and reactionary people get when they point out it was Obama's ATF that drew regulations allowing them. In a media and twitter environment where the NRA has blood on their hands or we need to consider older white men as more dangerous than Muslim terrorists, you're inviting the opposition to rake you over the coals in like manner. It's only shocking if you don't understand the concept of executive vs legislative power.
But fully understand the power of blaming the Obama boogie man for whatever problem afflicts this country.
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On October 06 2017 04:29 Logo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2017 04:25 Danglars wrote:On October 06 2017 04:11 Logo wrote:Wow you must have massive fucking balls to passive aggressively blame Obama for lax gun regulation. You have to understand it's very fun how shocked and reactionary people get when they point out it was Obama's ATF that drew regulations allowing them. In a media and twitter environment where the NRA has blood on their hands or we need to consider older white men as more dangerous than Muslim terrorists, you're inviting the opposition to rake you over the coals in like manner. It's only shocking if you don't understand the concept of executive vs legislative power.
Trust me, that concept is so awfully debated that you might as well say executive vs judicial vs legislative power. The executive has power to limit immigration from terrorism-prone countries, unless the executive is headed by Trump, but perhaps if the executive is headed by Hillary, except until the Supreme Court rules ... The immigration policy is determined by the legislature, unless the executive doesn't like their inaction, in which case he can unilaterally propose legalization programs, except if Trump wants to end them, in which case he is limited by administrative procedure, except when DACA was initialized there was no administrative procedure followed.
Check your partisanship at the door. These days you can chide the Obama administration for ignoring his defined powers in some cases and restraining himself in others.
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On October 06 2017 04:29 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2017 04:25 Danglars wrote:On October 06 2017 04:11 Logo wrote:Wow you must have massive fucking balls to passive aggressively blame Obama for lax gun regulation. You have to understand it's very fun how shocked and reactionary people get when they point out it was Obama's ATF that drew regulations allowing them. In a media and twitter environment where the NRA has blood on their hands or we need to consider older white men as more dangerous than Muslim terrorists, you're inviting the opposition to rake you over the coals in like manner. Actually they didnt draw regulation allowing them, they simply cant regulate them because it falls out of the scope of stuff they are able to regulate.
Clearly, Obama should've said he was instructing his ATF agency to regulate them because Congress has refused to act on the issue.
Show nested quote +On October 06 2017 04:29 Danglars wrote:On October 06 2017 04:10 Nebuchad wrote:On October 06 2017 04:00 Plansix wrote:
Can you keep ammo in your home? I would assume a small amount. You can if you clear the gun regulation that you would need to clear to buy a gun. You need to prove that you legally own the guns that go with the ammunition and that everything is in order (I don't really know the specifics). There are some specific hunting rifles that you don't need a permit to own, and even for the ammo for these there are controls in place. Looks like a simple law that only requires similar to a background check to me. Swiss citizens can correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like I'm a 65 year old white swiss man who has a semiauto rifle and clean history of crime and mental health, I can walk out of a store with 50 or 100 rounds with my permit checked. Yeab but if you get 30 of em someone might raise an eyebrow. This "wouldnt have made a difference" obtuseness is so shocking, "ya'll are so fucked"
Keep me posted on "someone might raise an eyebrow" gun legislation. Hell, if you walk out of any US gun store with 3,000 rounds, you can say "someone might raise an eyebrow" as well.
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On October 06 2017 04:29 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2017 04:10 Nebuchad wrote:On October 06 2017 04:00 Plansix wrote:
Can you keep ammo in your home? I would assume a small amount. You can if you clear the gun regulation that you would need to clear to buy a gun. You need to prove that you legally own the guns that go with the ammunition and that everything is in order (I don't really know the specifics). There are some specific hunting rifles that you don't need a permit to own, and even for the ammo for these there are controls in place. Looks like a simple law that only requires similar to a background check to me. Swiss citizens can correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like I'm a 65 year old white swiss man who has a semiauto rifle and clean history of crime and mental health, I can walk out of a store with 50 or 100 rounds with my permit checked.
Which happens every time you want to buy ammo instead of having infinite access to ammo regardless of any recent criminal activity. I feel like this should be a common sense legislative move without any real opposition, but i doubt it would go over that well with the american public.
Either way, a non-zero portion of the gun owning community makes their own ammo, im sure it would just become more widespread, and i guarantee you that regulating that would be an impossible nightmare.
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On October 06 2017 04:37 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2017 04:29 Rebs wrote:On October 06 2017 04:25 Danglars wrote:On October 06 2017 04:11 Logo wrote:Wow you must have massive fucking balls to passive aggressively blame Obama for lax gun regulation. You have to understand it's very fun how shocked and reactionary people get when they point out it was Obama's ATF that drew regulations allowing them. In a media and twitter environment where the NRA has blood on their hands or we need to consider older white men as more dangerous than Muslim terrorists, you're inviting the opposition to rake you over the coals in like manner. Actually they didnt draw regulation allowing them, they simply cant regulate them because it falls out of the scope of stuff they are able to regulate. Clearly, Obama should've said he was instructing his ATF agency to regulate them because Congress has refused to act on the issue. Show nested quote +On October 06 2017 04:29 Danglars wrote:On October 06 2017 04:10 Nebuchad wrote:On October 06 2017 04:00 Plansix wrote:
Can you keep ammo in your home? I would assume a small amount. You can if you clear the gun regulation that you would need to clear to buy a gun. You need to prove that you legally own the guns that go with the ammunition and that everything is in order (I don't really know the specifics). There are some specific hunting rifles that you don't need a permit to own, and even for the ammo for these there are controls in place. Looks like a simple law that only requires similar to a background check to me. Swiss citizens can correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like I'm a 65 year old white swiss man who has a semiauto rifle and clean history of crime and mental health, I can walk out of a store with 50 or 100 rounds with my permit checked. Yeab but if you get 30 of em someone might raise an eyebrow. This "wouldnt have made a difference" obtuseness is so shocking, "ya'll are so fucked" Keep me posted on "someone might raise an eyebrow" gun legislation. Hell, if you walk out of any US gun store with 3,000 rounds, you can say "someone might raise an eyebrow" as well.
i think your last line is highly debatable. see: las vegas shooter.
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On October 06 2017 04:29 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2017 04:10 Nebuchad wrote:On October 06 2017 04:00 Plansix wrote:
Can you keep ammo in your home? I would assume a small amount. You can if you clear the gun regulation that you would need to clear to buy a gun. You need to prove that you legally own the guns that go with the ammunition and that everything is in order (I don't really know the specifics). There are some specific hunting rifles that you don't need a permit to own, and even for the ammo for these there are controls in place. Looks like a simple law that only requires similar to a background check to me. Swiss citizens can correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like I'm a 65 year old white swiss man who has a semiauto rifle and clean history of crime and mental health, I can walk out of a store with 50 or 100 rounds with my permit checked.
Not sure the type of guns that he used are legal (definitely know the bump thing isn't), and not sure Paddock passes the psychiatrical test given he was on meds. You are also on a register so the authorities might wonder why you would suddenly want to buy 40 of the worst type of guns in existence in a year; at least they would be aware of you doing so.
But let's say Paddock clears everything. How do you figure that's an argument against having more regulation? It's established that you can't stop everyone if you don't ban guns, and it's established that the US won't ban guns. You could still take action so that you look more like Switzerland and less like you. It's worth it.
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If this were any country other than the US buying a lot of guns or ammo at once would raise an eyebrow. As it is, this is just normal. I know more than enough gun junkies that I simply stopped caring.
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