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I can't tell if they are super into Nazi shit. Are they into Nazi shit? Because it seems like they are really into Nazi shit.
Fuck, I need to go watch Inglorious Bastards now.
On October 06 2017 09:10 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Well that's great.
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On October 06 2017 08:42 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2017 07:44 cLutZ wrote:On October 06 2017 07:07 Plansix wrote:On October 06 2017 06:55 cLutZ wrote:On October 06 2017 06:16 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 06 2017 06:14 farvacola wrote:
Mueller isn't angling towards a direct impeachment of Trumo, he's going the long way around. You mean the way that doesn't get there? Its hard to get somewhere when you don't know your destination, which is, generally, the problem with the Mueller group. They are an investigation in search of a crime, which is why people oppose special prosecutors in general (also because its incredibly easy to pin crimes related to process, misstatements, and disclosure. There are probably like 3 people in the federal government you couldn't pull a Martha Stewart on if you tried hard enough. But the problem is there is no one else to do the job in this case. We do not have a system to investigate the president for potential crimes. We do not really have a system to investigate potential crimes at all. We have a system that investigates crimes, which is what I (and others) believe to be the general problem, because we have not been informed what the crime is. People like me remember Russian propaganda efforts dating back to the 2008 and 2012 elections akin to what people are investigating in cooperation with Facebook right now. Its kinda interesting, but more a good place for Congressman to grandstand about than a place for a federal investigation. On the other hand, we have no evidence vote totals were tampered with which is the place for a federal investigation. Such is the issue in general, they are searching for a crime, and eventually they will find a crime possibly with Manafort because he's been skirting the law for decades, but also they would find a crime if they investigated Marco Rubio's campaign, or Bernie's, or Justin Timberlake's taxes with this many investigators. Its really freaking easy to find federal crimes, that is Preet Bahara's entire career: Picking a person then finding the crime. I understand the complaint and Muller or Bahara investigating normal citizens, I would be on board. But they are investigated elected officials and their campaigns. And the reason special prosecutors are a necessity the lackluster oversight of elected officials, their staff and their campaigns. The FEC is a joke. Government ethics office isn't capable of investigating anything. There is no govermetn agency with teeth to investigating reports of crimes committed by elected officials and the groups surrounding them. And this is by design. Congress has never empowered an agency to to oversee them, let alone give them the resources to investigate reports of wrong doing. And they never will. So in the abstract, I understand the worry. But the political reality is the US congress and executive branch hold all the levers to start investigations against themselves. That is why these investigations exist, because there is no one else. In regards to votes being tampered with, that has never been the topic of any investigation. And I don't know who else is going to investigate Facebook but a federal investigator and congress. There is no state that can do it.
That is all fine, except for the part where I don't think you realize how easy it is to pin crimes on people. Martha Stewart. Even that Pharmacy Douche. When you get to Washington (or even a modicum of state power) you are basically depending on staying in the good graces of local prosecutors and agents. I've seen disputes between city councilmen in small, 40k people towns get threatened because they don't make the right donations.
In theory, I am on board with your idea of holding people in power accountable, but the agencies blew their credibility last year with regards to this administration. If this was a special counsel investigating Trump right after the FBI had successfully rolled up the whole Clinton apparatus, or had the IRS Targeting investigation led to a dozen jail sentences this would be different. Hell, if they had had any credibility on the Valerie Plame thing (which is actually very similar to this because we knew what happened immediately and yet the investigation proceeded until they got an indictment).
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On October 06 2017 09:02 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2017 08:52 Danglars wrote:Students affiliated with the Black Lives Matter movement crashed an event at the College of William & Mary, rushed the stage, and prevented the invited guest—the American Civil Liberties Union's Claire Gastañaga, a W & M alum—from speaking.
Ironically, Gastañaga had intended to speak on the subject, "Students and the First Amendment."
The disruption was livestreamed on BLM at W&M's Facebook page. Students took to the stage just a few moments after Gastañaga began her remarks. At first, she attempted to spin the demonstration as a welcome example of the kind of thing she had come to campus to discuss, commenting "Good, I like this," as they lined up and raised their signs. "I'm going to talk to you about knowing your rights, and protests and demonstrations, which this illustrates very well. Then I'm going to respond to questions from the moderators, and then questions from the audience."
It was the last remark she was able to make before protesters drowned her out with cries of, "ACLU, you protect Hitler, too." They also chanted, "the oppressed are not impressed," "shame, shame, shame, shame," (an ode to the Faith Militant's treatment of Cersei Lannister in Game of Thrones, though why anyone would want to be associated with the religious fanatics in that particular conflict is beyond me), "blood on your hands," "the revolution will not uphold the Constitution," and, uh, "liberalism is white supremacy."
This went on for nearly 20 minutes. Eventually, according to the campus's Flat Hat News, one of the college's co-organizers of the event handed a microphone to the protest's leader, who delivered a prepared statement. The disruption was apparently payback for the ACLU's principled First Amendment defense of the Charlottesville alt-right's civil liberties. Reason Good for them. ACLU knows they messed that one up though.
The ACLU has an unimpeachable record of actually standing by their beliefs regardless of whose civil liberties are being infringed. They're not doing that thing where you insist that you have a universal belief and that it's really weird that your universal belief happens to be invoked only to defend racism, homophobia, and religious intolerance. ACLU are the real deal, and they have the track record to prove it.
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On October 06 2017 09:18 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2017 08:42 Plansix wrote:On October 06 2017 07:44 cLutZ wrote:On October 06 2017 07:07 Plansix wrote:On October 06 2017 06:55 cLutZ wrote:On October 06 2017 06:16 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 06 2017 06:14 farvacola wrote:
Mueller isn't angling towards a direct impeachment of Trumo, he's going the long way around. You mean the way that doesn't get there? Its hard to get somewhere when you don't know your destination, which is, generally, the problem with the Mueller group. They are an investigation in search of a crime, which is why people oppose special prosecutors in general (also because its incredibly easy to pin crimes related to process, misstatements, and disclosure. There are probably like 3 people in the federal government you couldn't pull a Martha Stewart on if you tried hard enough. But the problem is there is no one else to do the job in this case. We do not have a system to investigate the president for potential crimes. We do not really have a system to investigate potential crimes at all. We have a system that investigates crimes, which is what I (and others) believe to be the general problem, because we have not been informed what the crime is. People like me remember Russian propaganda efforts dating back to the 2008 and 2012 elections akin to what people are investigating in cooperation with Facebook right now. Its kinda interesting, but more a good place for Congressman to grandstand about than a place for a federal investigation. On the other hand, we have no evidence vote totals were tampered with which is the place for a federal investigation. Such is the issue in general, they are searching for a crime, and eventually they will find a crime possibly with Manafort because he's been skirting the law for decades, but also they would find a crime if they investigated Marco Rubio's campaign, or Bernie's, or Justin Timberlake's taxes with this many investigators. Its really freaking easy to find federal crimes, that is Preet Bahara's entire career: Picking a person then finding the crime. I understand the complaint and Muller or Bahara investigating normal citizens, I would be on board. But they are investigated elected officials and their campaigns. And the reason special prosecutors are a necessity the lackluster oversight of elected officials, their staff and their campaigns. The FEC is a joke. Government ethics office isn't capable of investigating anything. There is no govermetn agency with teeth to investigating reports of crimes committed by elected officials and the groups surrounding them. And this is by design. Congress has never empowered an agency to to oversee them, let alone give them the resources to investigate reports of wrong doing. And they never will. So in the abstract, I understand the worry. But the political reality is the US congress and executive branch hold all the levers to start investigations against themselves. That is why these investigations exist, because there is no one else. In regards to votes being tampered with, that has never been the topic of any investigation. And I don't know who else is going to investigate Facebook but a federal investigator and congress. There is no state that can do it. That is all fine, except for the part where I don't think you realize how easy it is to pin crimes on people. Martha Stewart. Even that Pharmacy Douche. When you get to Washington (or even a modicum of state power) you are basically depending on staying in the good graces of local prosecutors and agents. I've seen disputes between city councilmen in small, 40k people towns get threatened because they don't make the right donations. In theory, I am on board with your idea of holding people in power accountable, but the agencies blew their credibility last year with regards to this administration. If this was a special counsel investigating Trump right after the FBI had successfully rolled up the whole Clinton apparatus, or had the IRS Targeting investigation led to a dozen jail sentences this would be different. Hell, if they had had any credibility on the Valerie Plame thing (which is actually very similar to this because we knew what happened immediately and yet the investigation proceeded until they got an indictment).
It is funny you mentioned the IRS investigation into targeting:
In 2013, IRS official Lois Lerner revealed that conservative groups seeking tax-exempt status had been getting extra scrutiny, based on words such as "tea party" or "patriots" in their names.
For conservatives, she confirmed their darkest suspicions. In the Tea Party heyday years of 2009 and 2010, hundreds of groups affiliated with the party had sought tax-exempt status as 501(c)(4) "social welfare" organizations. IRS demands for documents left many of them in bureaucratic limbo for a year or more.
Now, in the third audit of how the tax-exempt application process went off the rails, the Treasury Department's inspector general overseeing the IRS has found the agency targeted not just conservatives but also scores of groups with words like "progressive" in their names.
It was pretty much bullshit, which is why no one went to jail. It is almost like our blinders are on at all times and even you wanted an investigation were not crime took place. The Clinton foundation clearly has problems and I would welcome transparency. But not if the GOP is driving the investigation.
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On October 06 2017 09:23 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2017 09:02 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 06 2017 08:52 Danglars wrote:Students affiliated with the Black Lives Matter movement crashed an event at the College of William & Mary, rushed the stage, and prevented the invited guest—the American Civil Liberties Union's Claire Gastañaga, a W & M alum—from speaking.
Ironically, Gastañaga had intended to speak on the subject, "Students and the First Amendment."
The disruption was livestreamed on BLM at W&M's Facebook page. Students took to the stage just a few moments after Gastañaga began her remarks. At first, she attempted to spin the demonstration as a welcome example of the kind of thing she had come to campus to discuss, commenting "Good, I like this," as they lined up and raised their signs. "I'm going to talk to you about knowing your rights, and protests and demonstrations, which this illustrates very well. Then I'm going to respond to questions from the moderators, and then questions from the audience."
It was the last remark she was able to make before protesters drowned her out with cries of, "ACLU, you protect Hitler, too." They also chanted, "the oppressed are not impressed," "shame, shame, shame, shame," (an ode to the Faith Militant's treatment of Cersei Lannister in Game of Thrones, though why anyone would want to be associated with the religious fanatics in that particular conflict is beyond me), "blood on your hands," "the revolution will not uphold the Constitution," and, uh, "liberalism is white supremacy."
This went on for nearly 20 minutes. Eventually, according to the campus's Flat Hat News, one of the college's co-organizers of the event handed a microphone to the protest's leader, who delivered a prepared statement. The disruption was apparently payback for the ACLU's principled First Amendment defense of the Charlottesville alt-right's civil liberties. Reason Good for them. ACLU knows they messed that one up though. The ACLU has an unimpeachable record of actually standing by their beliefs regardless of whose civil liberties are being infringed. They're not doing that thing where you insist that you have a universal belief and that it's really weird that your universal belief happens to be invoked only to defend racism, homophobia, and religious intolerance. ACLU are the real deal, and they have the track record to prove it.
Whoa there, lets not say crazy shit about the ACLU. They have done some really stupid shit in their time, including suing a father for breaking into his daughters computer to prove she was addicted to heroin. Spoiler, she was and he used the evidence to get her into treatment. They are very good, but they also drop the ball some times. Including defending the free speech of people who are planning violence, which they freely admit was a mistake.
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On October 06 2017 09:27 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2017 09:23 KwarK wrote:On October 06 2017 09:02 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 06 2017 08:52 Danglars wrote:Students affiliated with the Black Lives Matter movement crashed an event at the College of William & Mary, rushed the stage, and prevented the invited guest—the American Civil Liberties Union's Claire Gastañaga, a W & M alum—from speaking.
Ironically, Gastañaga had intended to speak on the subject, "Students and the First Amendment."
The disruption was livestreamed on BLM at W&M's Facebook page. Students took to the stage just a few moments after Gastañaga began her remarks. At first, she attempted to spin the demonstration as a welcome example of the kind of thing she had come to campus to discuss, commenting "Good, I like this," as they lined up and raised their signs. "I'm going to talk to you about knowing your rights, and protests and demonstrations, which this illustrates very well. Then I'm going to respond to questions from the moderators, and then questions from the audience."
It was the last remark she was able to make before protesters drowned her out with cries of, "ACLU, you protect Hitler, too." They also chanted, "the oppressed are not impressed," "shame, shame, shame, shame," (an ode to the Faith Militant's treatment of Cersei Lannister in Game of Thrones, though why anyone would want to be associated with the religious fanatics in that particular conflict is beyond me), "blood on your hands," "the revolution will not uphold the Constitution," and, uh, "liberalism is white supremacy."
This went on for nearly 20 minutes. Eventually, according to the campus's Flat Hat News, one of the college's co-organizers of the event handed a microphone to the protest's leader, who delivered a prepared statement. The disruption was apparently payback for the ACLU's principled First Amendment defense of the Charlottesville alt-right's civil liberties. Reason Good for them. ACLU knows they messed that one up though. The ACLU has an unimpeachable record of actually standing by their beliefs regardless of whose civil liberties are being infringed. They're not doing that thing where you insist that you have a universal belief and that it's really weird that your universal belief happens to be invoked only to defend racism, homophobia, and religious intolerance. ACLU are the real deal, and they have the track record to prove it. Whoa there, lets not say crazy shit about the ACLU. They have done some really stupid shit in their time, including suing a father for breaking into his daughters computer to prove she was addicted to heroin. Spoiler, she was and he used the evidence to get her into treatment.
That is exactly my point. My argument was that they are zealots, true believers in absolute civil liberties. They're not doing lip service to give them an explanation for defending deplorables beyond the obvious explanation that they agree with the deplorables.
That case is surely evidence that supports what I said.
Some people use those beliefs as an excuse with which to veil their racism. They insist they just want to protect the rights of citizens and yet select the citizens to defend on clear racial lines. ACLU is the real deal.
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The only time I recall the ACLU backing off on free speech is after Charlottesville saying they won't defend violent gatherings of nazis. So, that's their limit...
This brietbart story is nuts. It's amazing just how fucking petty they all are. Milo made someone who inconvenienced him stay at a separate hotel to "remind him of his place."
I did read a good question though. Why is Robert Mercer putting so much funding into white nationalists?
The koch brothers are libertarian ideologues, their motives are really obvious : lower taxes, smaller government. I disagree with them heavily but I don't think they are intentionally trying to hurt people.
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On October 06 2017 09:29 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2017 09:27 Plansix wrote:On October 06 2017 09:23 KwarK wrote:On October 06 2017 09:02 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 06 2017 08:52 Danglars wrote:Students affiliated with the Black Lives Matter movement crashed an event at the College of William & Mary, rushed the stage, and prevented the invited guest—the American Civil Liberties Union's Claire Gastañaga, a W & M alum—from speaking.
Ironically, Gastañaga had intended to speak on the subject, "Students and the First Amendment."
The disruption was livestreamed on BLM at W&M's Facebook page. Students took to the stage just a few moments after Gastañaga began her remarks. At first, she attempted to spin the demonstration as a welcome example of the kind of thing she had come to campus to discuss, commenting "Good, I like this," as they lined up and raised their signs. "I'm going to talk to you about knowing your rights, and protests and demonstrations, which this illustrates very well. Then I'm going to respond to questions from the moderators, and then questions from the audience."
It was the last remark she was able to make before protesters drowned her out with cries of, "ACLU, you protect Hitler, too." They also chanted, "the oppressed are not impressed," "shame, shame, shame, shame," (an ode to the Faith Militant's treatment of Cersei Lannister in Game of Thrones, though why anyone would want to be associated with the religious fanatics in that particular conflict is beyond me), "blood on your hands," "the revolution will not uphold the Constitution," and, uh, "liberalism is white supremacy."
This went on for nearly 20 minutes. Eventually, according to the campus's Flat Hat News, one of the college's co-organizers of the event handed a microphone to the protest's leader, who delivered a prepared statement. The disruption was apparently payback for the ACLU's principled First Amendment defense of the Charlottesville alt-right's civil liberties. Reason Good for them. ACLU knows they messed that one up though. The ACLU has an unimpeachable record of actually standing by their beliefs regardless of whose civil liberties are being infringed. They're not doing that thing where you insist that you have a universal belief and that it's really weird that your universal belief happens to be invoked only to defend racism, homophobia, and religious intolerance. ACLU are the real deal, and they have the track record to prove it. Whoa there, lets not say crazy shit about the ACLU. They have done some really stupid shit in their time, including suing a father for breaking into his daughters computer to prove she was addicted to heroin. Spoiler, she was and he used the evidence to get her into treatment. That is exactly my point. My argument was that they are zealots, true believers in absolute civil liberties. They're not doing lip service to give them an explanation for defending deplorables beyond the obvious explanation that they agree with the deplorables. That case is surely evidence that supports what I said. Some people use those beliefs as an excuse with which to veil their racism. They insist they just want to protect the rights of citizens and yet select the citizens to defend on clear racial lines. ACLU is the real deal.
I am more of a Southern Poverty Law center guy myself. I like the ACLU, but they make some calls that help no one or are just stupid. Like advocating for people actively planning violent acts in the name of free speech.
Edit: was there every any doubt that Milo is a petty little neo nazi wanna be.
Edit 2: I don't know about Mercer, he and the koch brothers freak me out. They are the prototypes to a land of true oligarchy.
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Campaign Trump said the most important thing in war is the element of surprise and that the generals didn't know that but he would teach them and that's why America would win every war if he was in charge. Has he forgotten?
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On October 06 2017 09:18 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2017 08:42 Plansix wrote:On October 06 2017 07:44 cLutZ wrote:On October 06 2017 07:07 Plansix wrote:On October 06 2017 06:55 cLutZ wrote:On October 06 2017 06:16 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 06 2017 06:14 farvacola wrote:
Mueller isn't angling towards a direct impeachment of Trumo, he's going the long way around. You mean the way that doesn't get there? Its hard to get somewhere when you don't know your destination, which is, generally, the problem with the Mueller group. They are an investigation in search of a crime, which is why people oppose special prosecutors in general (also because its incredibly easy to pin crimes related to process, misstatements, and disclosure. There are probably like 3 people in the federal government you couldn't pull a Martha Stewart on if you tried hard enough. But the problem is there is no one else to do the job in this case. We do not have a system to investigate the president for potential crimes. We do not really have a system to investigate potential crimes at all. We have a system that investigates crimes, which is what I (and others) believe to be the general problem, because we have not been informed what the crime is. People like me remember Russian propaganda efforts dating back to the 2008 and 2012 elections akin to what people are investigating in cooperation with Facebook right now. Its kinda interesting, but more a good place for Congressman to grandstand about than a place for a federal investigation. On the other hand, we have no evidence vote totals were tampered with which is the place for a federal investigation. Such is the issue in general, they are searching for a crime, and eventually they will find a crime possibly with Manafort because he's been skirting the law for decades, but also they would find a crime if they investigated Marco Rubio's campaign, or Bernie's, or Justin Timberlake's taxes with this many investigators. Its really freaking easy to find federal crimes, that is Preet Bahara's entire career: Picking a person then finding the crime. I understand the complaint and Muller or Bahara investigating normal citizens, I would be on board. But they are investigated elected officials and their campaigns. And the reason special prosecutors are a necessity the lackluster oversight of elected officials, their staff and their campaigns. The FEC is a joke. Government ethics office isn't capable of investigating anything. There is no govermetn agency with teeth to investigating reports of crimes committed by elected officials and the groups surrounding them. And this is by design. Congress has never empowered an agency to to oversee them, let alone give them the resources to investigate reports of wrong doing. And they never will. So in the abstract, I understand the worry. But the political reality is the US congress and executive branch hold all the levers to start investigations against themselves. That is why these investigations exist, because there is no one else. In regards to votes being tampered with, that has never been the topic of any investigation. And I don't know who else is going to investigate Facebook but a federal investigator and congress. There is no state that can do it. In theory, I am on board with your idea of holding people in power accountable, but the agencies blew their credibility last year with regards to this administration. If this was a special counsel investigating Trump right after the FBI had successfully rolled up the whole Clinton apparatus, or had the IRS Targeting investigation led to a dozen jail sentences this would be different. Hell, if they had had any credibility on the Valerie Plame thing (which is actually very similar to this because we knew what happened immediately and yet the investigation proceeded until they got an indictment).
Echoes of the past, where this Trump thing aint even unprecidented. Keep digging until you nail a Scooter Libby. All these people that pretend to be for democratic norms and peaceful governance fail to see the credibility damage being created at this moment.
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That is a very nice quote Danglars. To bad two of those three investigation were fishing for crimes that did not happen. But if you look at the Clinton investigation, you can see it took more resources than 9/11 and Watergate.
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On October 06 2017 09:34 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2017 09:29 KwarK wrote:On October 06 2017 09:27 Plansix wrote:On October 06 2017 09:23 KwarK wrote:On October 06 2017 09:02 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 06 2017 08:52 Danglars wrote:Students affiliated with the Black Lives Matter movement crashed an event at the College of William & Mary, rushed the stage, and prevented the invited guest—the American Civil Liberties Union's Claire Gastañaga, a W & M alum—from speaking.
Ironically, Gastañaga had intended to speak on the subject, "Students and the First Amendment."
The disruption was livestreamed on BLM at W&M's Facebook page. Students took to the stage just a few moments after Gastañaga began her remarks. At first, she attempted to spin the demonstration as a welcome example of the kind of thing she had come to campus to discuss, commenting "Good, I like this," as they lined up and raised their signs. "I'm going to talk to you about knowing your rights, and protests and demonstrations, which this illustrates very well. Then I'm going to respond to questions from the moderators, and then questions from the audience."
It was the last remark she was able to make before protesters drowned her out with cries of, "ACLU, you protect Hitler, too." They also chanted, "the oppressed are not impressed," "shame, shame, shame, shame," (an ode to the Faith Militant's treatment of Cersei Lannister in Game of Thrones, though why anyone would want to be associated with the religious fanatics in that particular conflict is beyond me), "blood on your hands," "the revolution will not uphold the Constitution," and, uh, "liberalism is white supremacy."
This went on for nearly 20 minutes. Eventually, according to the campus's Flat Hat News, one of the college's co-organizers of the event handed a microphone to the protest's leader, who delivered a prepared statement. The disruption was apparently payback for the ACLU's principled First Amendment defense of the Charlottesville alt-right's civil liberties. Reason Good for them. ACLU knows they messed that one up though. The ACLU has an unimpeachable record of actually standing by their beliefs regardless of whose civil liberties are being infringed. They're not doing that thing where you insist that you have a universal belief and that it's really weird that your universal belief happens to be invoked only to defend racism, homophobia, and religious intolerance. ACLU are the real deal, and they have the track record to prove it. Whoa there, lets not say crazy shit about the ACLU. They have done some really stupid shit in their time, including suing a father for breaking into his daughters computer to prove she was addicted to heroin. Spoiler, she was and he used the evidence to get her into treatment. That is exactly my point. My argument was that they are zealots, true believers in absolute civil liberties. They're not doing lip service to give them an explanation for defending deplorables beyond the obvious explanation that they agree with the deplorables. That case is surely evidence that supports what I said. Some people use those beliefs as an excuse with which to veil their racism. They insist they just want to protect the rights of citizens and yet select the citizens to defend on clear racial lines. ACLU is the real deal. Edit: was there every any doubt that Milo is a petty little neo nazi wanna be. Edit 2: I don't know about Mercer, he and the koch brothers freak me out. They are the prototypes to a land of true oligarchy.
The Kochs are nothing new. They're bog standard libertarians. We had them in the 1890s as robber barons and they were way more powerful. I have no idea what Mercer's end plan is/was, though.
Also amusing - the article defining the alt right that Brietbart published was sent for line editing to a bunch of white supremacists :
So he reached out to key constituents, who included a neo-Nazi and a white nationalist.
“Finally doing my big feature on the alt right,” Yiannopoulos wrote in a March 9, 2016, email to Andrew “Weev” Auernheimer, a hacker who is the system administrator of the neo-Nazi hub the Daily Stormer, and who would later ask his followers to disrupt the funeral of Charlottesville victim Heather Heyer. “Fancy braindumping some thoughts for me.”
“It’s time for me to do my big definitive guide to the alt right,” Yiannopoulos wrote four hours later to Curtis Yarvin, a software engineer who under the nom de plume Mencius Moldbug helped create the “neoreactionary” movement, which holds that Enlightenment democracy has failed and that a return to feudalism and authoritarian rule is in order. “Which is my whorish way of asking if you have anything you’d like to make sure I include.”
“Alt r feature, figured you’d have some thoughts,” Yiannopoulos wrote the same day to Devin Saucier, who helps edit the online white nationalist magazine American Renaissance under the pseudonym Henry Wolff, and who wrote a story in June 2017 called “Why I Am (Among Other Things) a White Nationalist.”
The three responded at length: Weev about the Daily Stormer and a podcast called The Daily Shoah, Yarvin in characteristically sweeping world-historical assertions (“It’s no secret that North America contains many distinct cultural/ethnic communities. This is not optimal, but with a competent king it’s not a huge problem either”), and Saucier with a list of thinkers, politicians, journalists, films (Dune, Mad Max, The Dark Knight), and musical genres (folk metal, martial industrial, ’80s synthpop) important to the movement. Yiannopoulos forwarded it all, along with the Wikipedia entries for “Alternative Right” and the esoteric far-right Italian philosopher Julius Evola — a major influence on 20th-century Italian fascists and Richard Spencer alike — to Allum Bokhari, his deputy and frequent ghostwriter, whom he had met during GamerGate. “Include a bit of everything,” he instructed Bokhari.
Over the next three days, Yiannopoulos passed the article back to Yarvin and the white nationalist Saucier, the latter of whom gave line-by-line annotations. He also sent it to Vox Day, a writer who was expelled from the board of the Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers of America for calling a black writer an “ignorant savage,” and to Alex Marlow, the editor of Breitbart.
“Solid, fair, and fairly comprehensive,” Vox Day responded, with a few suggestions.
“Most of it is great but I don’t want to rush a major long form piece like this,” Marlow wrote back. “A few people will need to weigh in since it deals heavily with race.”
Also, there was another sensitive issue to be raised: credit. “Allum did most of the work on this and wants joint [byline] but I want the glory here,” Yiannopoulos wrote back to Marlow. “I am telling him you said it’s sensitive and want my byline alone on it.”
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On October 06 2017 09:02 Saryph wrote:
I like how Dangler's article credits the word shame to Game of Thrones. No one ever said shame, shame, shame before GoT....
Gotta prime the pump!
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Obamacare is failing because Trump is trying to make it fail.
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Slate magazine, reminding us to look on the bright side of this tragedy.
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The bright side is the shooter was white? I'll go tell their families.
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Was a decently written article about looking beyond race and religion for why these attacks continue to happen in America. Or are you just complaining because of a Twitter title?
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On October 06 2017 10:26 NewSunshine wrote:The bright side is the shooter was white? I'll go tell their families.
You've heard about the tangles we've got into like from the Pulse nightclub shooting, right? Slate is here as an esteemed left-of-center publication to remind us that there's an upside. Toodles!
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On October 06 2017 10:31 Tachion wrote:Was a decently written article about looking beyond race and religion for why these attacks continue to happen in America. Or are you just complaining because of a Twitter title?
Danglars is easily offended by provocative headlines. Never makes it to the article itself.
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If the shooter had been brown or Muslim an awful lot of innocent people would be getting victimized right now. With a white shooter the American majority will immediately absolve whites of blame in a way they would not for any other group. So yeah, this is better than the alternative. Fewer people getting fucked.
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