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Speaking of which, are the lefties among us developing a discomfort fetish for events they deem to be worthy? If so, how is that different from the previously mentioned disdain for right-singers enjoying pissing the left off?
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A gentle preventative reminder the anger at the players in the NFL has NOTHING to do with respecting the flag
On September 24 2017 14:29 LegalLord wrote:
Speaking of which, are the lefties among us developing a discomfort fetish for events they deem to be worthy? If so, how is that different from the previously mentioned disdain for right-singers enjoying pissing the left off?
It not about "events we deem worthy" it's about making good on the American promise. The end goal is also quite a difference. There are more if you're genuinely confused.
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On September 24 2017 14:29 LegalLord wrote:
Speaking of which, are the lefties among us developing a discomfort fetish for events they deem to be worthy? If so, how is that different from the previously mentioned disdain for right-singers enjoying pissing the left off?
Recognizing that there is a necessary "evil" so that civil rights may be appropriately expanded/fulfilled is different from saying ridiculous things so you can upset people for kicks. As I said, the goal is not to upset people, but something else entirely, something actually useful. There's the difference.
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On September 24 2017 14:05 Nevuk wrote:
Never thought of Stevie wonder as political
Listen to "Living for the City" by Stevie, the long version not the radio edit.
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On September 24 2017 13:35 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2017 13:13 bigmetazltank wrote:On September 24 2017 12:56 Danglars wrote:On September 24 2017 12:26 Gahlo wrote:On September 24 2017 09:31 OuchyDathurts wrote:On September 24 2017 09:13 NewSunshine wrote:On September 24 2017 09:11 OuchyDathurts wrote:
Politics have ALWAYS been part and parcel with sports. If you've got a problem with that its time to stop watching sports. I would've thought all the ceremonies, anthems, and ads that are sprinkled into every major sporting event were pretty big tip-offs. The best part of the NFL controversy is that before 9/11 players were still in the god damn locker room when the Anthem was played. This is new fake outrage du jour. After 9/11 the military paid the NFL a bunch of money to have players on the field for the Anthem to drum up propaganda patriotism, it's all a sham. No one gave a flying fuck back in the day, it's crap. But Jackie Robinson was political, Muhammad Ali was political, Jesse Owens was political. Average people becoming part of the cultural elite whether through art or sport are going to speak up. They've lived the life in the streets, they know what it's like to be on the bottom, they know the system is fucked, they know racism, classism, and sexism exists. So of course they're going to use their platform to bring attention to the problems they lived. People are insane if they think they're ever going to shut up athletes and artists. They also get to point to their favorite token black athlete, Jordan. Dude was best player, and still widely considered best play. Bigger than the NBA itself. But he refused to speak up because white people buy shoes too. You speak for a typical recasting of Jordan's views. Because he wasn't activist in today's terms, you must denigrate him as a sellout for shoes. I think even if you're black, your life choices can be your own life choices, not denied your agency for making them because today's race-baiters wish you were someone else. Jordan was a sellout for shoes. While the validity in the "Republican buy shoes too" comment is mushy at best, it is 100% true that he was a sell-out for his corporate Nike brand by being as politically inactive as you could possibly be. He didn't get a reputation for being a cheap, selfish sociopath for no reason. Its only relatively recently, as the owner of the Charlotte Hornets, that he's being more outspoken with regards to politics. But when he was still a Chicago Bull? Yeah, he was a pretty terrible person to just about everyone. Well, shit son, maybe I give African Americans in this country more opportunity to choose rather than be pushed into capitalist molds. Give blacks a little agency to control their own lives, don't treat Jordan as some slave to the Nike machine. Thanks a ton.
Well, that's what Michael Jordan basically accepted to make Jordan brand the #1 (well not anymore) sneaker brand in America. And it worked very well for Michael Jordan because Nike's PR machine is the sole reason why he was viewed with so much admiration at the time. In this day and age where information can be spread so easily and quickly, he'd be killed for what he did to Kwame Brown alone.
During his playing days on the Chicago Bulls and Washington Wizards, he was nothing but an asshole who was only concerned about himself. He was a dick to his teammates, he was a dick to anyone who served him, he didn't want to speak out against injustices lest they impacted his brand. He had the agency to do what he wanted, no one disputed that. He used that agency to get what he thought was personally most beneficial for him, and only himself, like every other thing he did as a player.
Nothing wrong with that but it doesn't change the fact that he was a sellout for his brand.
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On September 24 2017 15:08 bigmetazltank wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2017 13:35 Danglars wrote:On September 24 2017 13:13 bigmetazltank wrote:On September 24 2017 12:56 Danglars wrote:On September 24 2017 12:26 Gahlo wrote:On September 24 2017 09:31 OuchyDathurts wrote:On September 24 2017 09:13 NewSunshine wrote:On September 24 2017 09:11 OuchyDathurts wrote:
Politics have ALWAYS been part and parcel with sports. If you've got a problem with that its time to stop watching sports. I would've thought all the ceremonies, anthems, and ads that are sprinkled into every major sporting event were pretty big tip-offs. The best part of the NFL controversy is that before 9/11 players were still in the god damn locker room when the Anthem was played. This is new fake outrage du jour. After 9/11 the military paid the NFL a bunch of money to have players on the field for the Anthem to drum up propaganda patriotism, it's all a sham. No one gave a flying fuck back in the day, it's crap. But Jackie Robinson was political, Muhammad Ali was political, Jesse Owens was political. Average people becoming part of the cultural elite whether through art or sport are going to speak up. They've lived the life in the streets, they know what it's like to be on the bottom, they know the system is fucked, they know racism, classism, and sexism exists. So of course they're going to use their platform to bring attention to the problems they lived. People are insane if they think they're ever going to shut up athletes and artists. They also get to point to their favorite token black athlete, Jordan. Dude was best player, and still widely considered best play. Bigger than the NBA itself. But he refused to speak up because white people buy shoes too. You speak for a typical recasting of Jordan's views. Because he wasn't activist in today's terms, you must denigrate him as a sellout for shoes. I think even if you're black, your life choices can be your own life choices, not denied your agency for making them because today's race-baiters wish you were someone else. Jordan was a sellout for shoes. While the validity in the "Republican buy shoes too" comment is mushy at best, it is 100% true that he was a sell-out for his corporate Nike brand by being as politically inactive as you could possibly be. He didn't get a reputation for being a cheap, selfish sociopath for no reason. Its only relatively recently, as the owner of the Charlotte Hornets, that he's being more outspoken with regards to politics. But when he was still a Chicago Bull? Yeah, he was a pretty terrible person to just about everyone. Well, shit son, maybe I give African Americans in this country more opportunity to choose rather than be pushed into capitalist molds. Give blacks a little agency to control their own lives, don't treat Jordan as some slave to the Nike machine. Thanks a ton. Well, that's what Michael Jordan basically accepted to make Jordan brand the #1 (well not anymore) sneaker brand in America. And it worked very well for Michael Jordan because Nike's PR machine is the sole reason why he was viewed with so much admiration at the time. In this day and age where information can be spread so easily and quickly, he'd be killed for what he did to Kwame Brown alone. During his playing days on the Chicago Bulls and Washington Wizards, he was nothing but an asshole who was only concerned about himself. He was a dick to his teammates, he was a dick to anyone who served him, he didn't want to speak out against injustices lest they impacted his brand. He had the agency to do what he wanted, no one disputed that. What people are saying is that he chose to accept what was personally most beneficial for him like every other thing he did as a player.
The person himself seems to think it isn't as bad as you portray it. He is mostly negative about the media.
There are so many crazy stories about how Michael Jordan treated you when you were starting your career in Washington, but you’ve refuted a few of them in this interview. What was your relationship with MJ really like in those early years?
KB: I just think it was blown out of proportion. First of all, MJ is way too smart to do anything to me in front of people (laughs). I just think it was just people who were around, they’d see him yelling at me or something and think, “Oh my God, look at how he’s treating the kid!” People viewed me as a child, but I was fine. I also think the media played a role. Sometimes they won’t even print the words that were actually said. Everyone wanted to interview me and do a negative story, because that was the popular thing to do. If I had something positive going on, they wouldn’t write anything. They wouldn’t mention all of the time I’d spend doing charity work, but they loved the [MJ gossip]. That’s why I got off social media too. It’s just so much negativity.
http://hoopshype.com/2017/06/02/kwame-brown-opens-up-about-his-nba-career-facing-criticism-michael-jordan-and-more/
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On September 24 2017 15:17 Yurie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2017 15:08 bigmetazltank wrote:On September 24 2017 13:35 Danglars wrote:On September 24 2017 13:13 bigmetazltank wrote:On September 24 2017 12:56 Danglars wrote:On September 24 2017 12:26 Gahlo wrote:On September 24 2017 09:31 OuchyDathurts wrote:On September 24 2017 09:13 NewSunshine wrote:On September 24 2017 09:11 OuchyDathurts wrote:
Politics have ALWAYS been part and parcel with sports. If you've got a problem with that its time to stop watching sports. I would've thought all the ceremonies, anthems, and ads that are sprinkled into every major sporting event were pretty big tip-offs. The best part of the NFL controversy is that before 9/11 players were still in the god damn locker room when the Anthem was played. This is new fake outrage du jour. After 9/11 the military paid the NFL a bunch of money to have players on the field for the Anthem to drum up propaganda patriotism, it's all a sham. No one gave a flying fuck back in the day, it's crap. But Jackie Robinson was political, Muhammad Ali was political, Jesse Owens was political. Average people becoming part of the cultural elite whether through art or sport are going to speak up. They've lived the life in the streets, they know what it's like to be on the bottom, they know the system is fucked, they know racism, classism, and sexism exists. So of course they're going to use their platform to bring attention to the problems they lived. People are insane if they think they're ever going to shut up athletes and artists. They also get to point to their favorite token black athlete, Jordan. Dude was best player, and still widely considered best play. Bigger than the NBA itself. But he refused to speak up because white people buy shoes too. You speak for a typical recasting of Jordan's views. Because he wasn't activist in today's terms, you must denigrate him as a sellout for shoes. I think even if you're black, your life choices can be your own life choices, not denied your agency for making them because today's race-baiters wish you were someone else. Jordan was a sellout for shoes. While the validity in the "Republican buy shoes too" comment is mushy at best, it is 100% true that he was a sell-out for his corporate Nike brand by being as politically inactive as you could possibly be. He didn't get a reputation for being a cheap, selfish sociopath for no reason. Its only relatively recently, as the owner of the Charlotte Hornets, that he's being more outspoken with regards to politics. But when he was still a Chicago Bull? Yeah, he was a pretty terrible person to just about everyone. Well, shit son, maybe I give African Americans in this country more opportunity to choose rather than be pushed into capitalist molds. Give blacks a little agency to control their own lives, don't treat Jordan as some slave to the Nike machine. Thanks a ton. Well, that's what Michael Jordan basically accepted to make Jordan brand the #1 (well not anymore) sneaker brand in America. And it worked very well for Michael Jordan because Nike's PR machine is the sole reason why he was viewed with so much admiration at the time. In this day and age where information can be spread so easily and quickly, he'd be killed for what he did to Kwame Brown alone. During his playing days on the Chicago Bulls and Washington Wizards, he was nothing but an asshole who was only concerned about himself. He was a dick to his teammates, he was a dick to anyone who served him, he didn't want to speak out against injustices lest they impacted his brand. He had the agency to do what he wanted, no one disputed that. What people are saying is that he chose to accept what was personally most beneficial for him like every other thing he did as a player. The person himself seems to think it isn't as bad as you portray it. He is mostly negative about the media. Show nested quote +There are so many crazy stories about how Michael Jordan treated you when you were starting your career in Washington, but you’ve refuted a few of them in this interview. What was your relationship with MJ really like in those early years?
KB: I just think it was blown out of proportion. First of all, MJ is way too smart to do anything to me in front of people (laughs). I just think it was just people who were around, they’d see him yelling at me or something and think, “Oh my God, look at how he’s treating the kid!” People viewed me as a child, but I was fine. I also think the media played a role. Sometimes they won’t even print the words that were actually said. Everyone wanted to interview me and do a negative story, because that was the popular thing to do. If I had something positive going on, they wouldn’t write anything. They wouldn’t mention all of the time I’d spend doing charity work, but they loved the [MJ gossip]. That’s why I got off social media too. It’s just so much negativity. http://hoopshype.com/2017/06/02/kwame-brown-opens-up-about-his-nba-career-facing-criticism-michael-jordan-and-more/
He was a dick, but not absurdly bad to KB. Like he said, he was a man and he can take his lumps, doesn't really make MJ not a dick though. Pretty much the least valuable aspect of the substance of the post though anyway. I think the larger point is Danglars point is absurdly foolish as have been most of his points lately.
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On September 24 2017 15:49 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2017 15:17 Yurie wrote:On September 24 2017 15:08 bigmetazltank wrote:On September 24 2017 13:35 Danglars wrote:On September 24 2017 13:13 bigmetazltank wrote:On September 24 2017 12:56 Danglars wrote:On September 24 2017 12:26 Gahlo wrote:On September 24 2017 09:31 OuchyDathurts wrote:On September 24 2017 09:13 NewSunshine wrote:On September 24 2017 09:11 OuchyDathurts wrote:
Politics have ALWAYS been part and parcel with sports. If you've got a problem with that its time to stop watching sports. I would've thought all the ceremonies, anthems, and ads that are sprinkled into every major sporting event were pretty big tip-offs. The best part of the NFL controversy is that before 9/11 players were still in the god damn locker room when the Anthem was played. This is new fake outrage du jour. After 9/11 the military paid the NFL a bunch of money to have players on the field for the Anthem to drum up propaganda patriotism, it's all a sham. No one gave a flying fuck back in the day, it's crap. But Jackie Robinson was political, Muhammad Ali was political, Jesse Owens was political. Average people becoming part of the cultural elite whether through art or sport are going to speak up. They've lived the life in the streets, they know what it's like to be on the bottom, they know the system is fucked, they know racism, classism, and sexism exists. So of course they're going to use their platform to bring attention to the problems they lived. People are insane if they think they're ever going to shut up athletes and artists. They also get to point to their favorite token black athlete, Jordan. Dude was best player, and still widely considered best play. Bigger than the NBA itself. But he refused to speak up because white people buy shoes too. You speak for a typical recasting of Jordan's views. Because he wasn't activist in today's terms, you must denigrate him as a sellout for shoes. I think even if you're black, your life choices can be your own life choices, not denied your agency for making them because today's race-baiters wish you were someone else. Jordan was a sellout for shoes. While the validity in the "Republican buy shoes too" comment is mushy at best, it is 100% true that he was a sell-out for his corporate Nike brand by being as politically inactive as you could possibly be. He didn't get a reputation for being a cheap, selfish sociopath for no reason. Its only relatively recently, as the owner of the Charlotte Hornets, that he's being more outspoken with regards to politics. But when he was still a Chicago Bull? Yeah, he was a pretty terrible person to just about everyone. Well, shit son, maybe I give African Americans in this country more opportunity to choose rather than be pushed into capitalist molds. Give blacks a little agency to control their own lives, don't treat Jordan as some slave to the Nike machine. Thanks a ton. Well, that's what Michael Jordan basically accepted to make Jordan brand the #1 (well not anymore) sneaker brand in America. And it worked very well for Michael Jordan because Nike's PR machine is the sole reason why he was viewed with so much admiration at the time. In this day and age where information can be spread so easily and quickly, he'd be killed for what he did to Kwame Brown alone. During his playing days on the Chicago Bulls and Washington Wizards, he was nothing but an asshole who was only concerned about himself. He was a dick to his teammates, he was a dick to anyone who served him, he didn't want to speak out against injustices lest they impacted his brand. He had the agency to do what he wanted, no one disputed that. What people are saying is that he chose to accept what was personally most beneficial for him like every other thing he did as a player. The person himself seems to think it isn't as bad as you portray it. He is mostly negative about the media. There are so many crazy stories about how Michael Jordan treated you when you were starting your career in Washington, but you’ve refuted a few of them in this interview. What was your relationship with MJ really like in those early years?
KB: I just think it was blown out of proportion. First of all, MJ is way too smart to do anything to me in front of people (laughs). I just think it was just people who were around, they’d see him yelling at me or something and think, “Oh my God, look at how he’s treating the kid!” People viewed me as a child, but I was fine. I also think the media played a role. Sometimes they won’t even print the words that were actually said. Everyone wanted to interview me and do a negative story, because that was the popular thing to do. If I had something positive going on, they wouldn’t write anything. They wouldn’t mention all of the time I’d spend doing charity work, but they loved the [MJ gossip]. That’s why I got off social media too. It’s just so much negativity. http://hoopshype.com/2017/06/02/kwame-brown-opens-up-about-his-nba-career-facing-criticism-michael-jordan-and-more/ He was a dick, but not absurdly bad to KB. Like he said, he was a man and he can take his lumps, doesn't really make MJ not a dick though. Pretty much the least valuable aspect of the substance of the post though anyway. I think the larger point is Danglars point is absurdly foolish as have been most of his points lately.
It was not fully understandable as that to me. So I googled to see what he meant and came away even more confused about the exact issues he wanted to raise. I did not even know who Kwame Brown was before googling. I think what you wrote is much more legible than what I responded to. A post like that I would not have taken issue with since it would be possible to understand even without following Basketball. 
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lol. 30% think "America must protect and preserve its White European heritage." (WTF do people think that is?) but only 8% support white nationalism?
Y'all know you made "white" people up right? Like specifically so there could be a "non-white" to oppress and pillage?
That 22% of people literally don't understand (or can't admit to themselves) they are supporting white nationalism by supporting what's basically their credo explains a lot about the US and why so many people are going to freak out about the kneeling more than they do the rampant abuse it's highlighting.
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Man, this doneld Trump sure knows how to make himself the loneliest person on the planet.
He's picking fights with everyone but those who bow down and not dare to speak their mind.
I don't know how you can ever be sure about having him on your side unless you got enough dirt/leverage on him to make him want your goodwill.
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Is there anything wrong with describing white / European / White European heritage as common heritage of people of European ancestry? Do you think such common heritage doesn't exist? How would you describe the ancestry of someone with German, Norwegian, English and Irish roots? A lot of people feel the need be proud of their ancestry, but such person clearly cannot call himself German, Norwegian, English or Irish.
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I think the biggest outlier/ most inconsistent response in that poll, compared to all the other responses in that poll, is that 16% of people agree that marriage should only be allowed between people of the same race and only 65% disagree. I feel like the agree percentage should have been a bit lower and the disagree much higher, based on other responses (like the agree/ disagree percentages of people thinking all races are equal, people of different races should be able to live wherever they want, and all races should be treated equally).
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On September 24 2017 20:44 GreenHorizons wrote:lol. 30% think "America must protect and preserve its White European heritage." (WTF do people think that is?) but only 8% support white nationalism? Y'all know you made "white" people up right? Like specifically so there could be a "non-white" to oppress and pillage? That 22% of people literally don't understand (or can't admit to themselves) they are supporting white nationalism by supporting what's basically their credo explains a lot about the US and why so many people are going to freak out about the kneeling more than they do the rampant abuse it's highlighting.
Well 'white European heritage' could mean different things to different people. Its quite a vague phrase. I'm not surprised that you instantly equate it to white supremacism and nationalism, but it could just as well be referring to any aspect of white european culture.
I know your of the opinion that we should burn everything down because everything is racist, but its not reasonable to expect all other people to believe that.
Before you tell me I don't understand your point, I do, I'm just saying that when it comes to a phrase like 'white European heritage', assuming that this refers specifically to a way of oppressing minorities says just as much about you as it does about the respondents.
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On September 24 2017 21:13 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:I think the biggest outlier/ most inconsistent response in that poll, compared to all the other responses in that poll, is that 16% of people agree that marriage should only be allowed between people of the same race and only 65% disagree. I feel like the agree percentage should have been a bit lower and the disagree much higher, based on other responses (like the agree/ disagree percentages of people thinking all races are equal, people of different races should be able to live wherever they want, and all races should be treated equally).
It comes down to what people have been saying for a while.
America is a lot more racist then it is willing to admit.
(Tho it would be interesting to see the opinions on mixed race marriage broken down by the race of the person answering (aka Mexicans not wanting their kids to marry an Irish ect)
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On September 24 2017 21:39 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2017 20:44 GreenHorizons wrote:lol. 30% think "America must protect and preserve its White European heritage." (WTF do people think that is?) but only 8% support white nationalism? Y'all know you made "white" people up right? Like specifically so there could be a "non-white" to oppress and pillage? That 22% of people literally don't understand (or can't admit to themselves) they are supporting white nationalism by supporting what's basically their credo explains a lot about the US and why so many people are going to freak out about the kneeling more than they do the rampant abuse it's highlighting. Well 'white European heritage' could mean different things to different people. Its quite a vague phrase. I'm not surprised that you instantly equate it to white supremacism and nationalism, but it could just as well be referring to any aspect of white european culture. I know your of the opinion that we should burn everything down because everything is racist, but its not reasonable to expect all other people to believe that. Before you tell me I don't understand your point, I do, I'm just saying that when it comes to a phrase like 'white European heritage', assuming that this refers specifically to a way of oppressing minorities says just as much about you as it does about the respondents.
You might have a point if it was American culture but White European heritage is specific enough imo to be a loaded term for atleast a mild form of white supremacy
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On September 24 2017 21:47 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2017 21:39 Jockmcplop wrote:On September 24 2017 20:44 GreenHorizons wrote:lol. 30% think "America must protect and preserve its White European heritage." (WTF do people think that is?) but only 8% support white nationalism? Y'all know you made "white" people up right? Like specifically so there could be a "non-white" to oppress and pillage? That 22% of people literally don't understand (or can't admit to themselves) they are supporting white nationalism by supporting what's basically their credo explains a lot about the US and why so many people are going to freak out about the kneeling more than they do the rampant abuse it's highlighting. Well 'white European heritage' could mean different things to different people. Its quite a vague phrase. I'm not surprised that you instantly equate it to white supremacism and nationalism, but it could just as well be referring to any aspect of white european culture. I know your of the opinion that we should burn everything down because everything is racist, but its not reasonable to expect all other people to believe that. Before you tell me I don't understand your point, I do, I'm just saying that when it comes to a phrase like 'white European heritage', assuming that this refers specifically to a way of oppressing minorities says just as much about you as it does about the respondents. You might have a point if it was American culture but White European heritage is specific enough imo to be a loaded term for atleast a mild form of white supremacy
Maybe you're right.
I mean what about the question "is your heritage important to you?"
What would the answer to that say about someone.
How about "Is your racial and cultural heritage worth defending?"
These questions are all multi-layered. They could be seen as having racial or supremacist elements, but what I'm saying is that there are other valid ways of interpreting to the question, and its wrong to assume everyone interprets the wording the same way that you do.
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On September 24 2017 21:45 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2017 21:13 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:I think the biggest outlier/ most inconsistent response in that poll, compared to all the other responses in that poll, is that 16% of people agree that marriage should only be allowed between people of the same race and only 65% disagree. I feel like the agree percentage should have been a bit lower and the disagree much higher, based on other responses (like the agree/ disagree percentages of people thinking all races are equal, people of different races should be able to live wherever they want, and all races should be treated equally). It comes down to what people have been saying for a while. America is a lot more racist then it is willing to admit. (Tho it would be interesting to see the opinions on mixed race marriage broken down by the race of the person answering (aka Mexicans not wanting their kids to marry an Irish ect)
It's not onlyy america. We have the same things in EU, people are much more racists than they pretend. And some of our politicians did/do capitalize on this but in the mean time they also freed the speech of those that often start with "I'm no racist but..." (for example, Sarkozy and some of his lieutenants, but I'm pretty sure you could name some people doing the same in your country).
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On September 24 2017 21:45 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2017 21:13 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:I think the biggest outlier/ most inconsistent response in that poll, compared to all the other responses in that poll, is that 16% of people agree that marriage should only be allowed between people of the same race and only 65% disagree. I feel like the agree percentage should have been a bit lower and the disagree much higher, based on other responses (like the agree/ disagree percentages of people thinking all races are equal, people of different races should be able to live wherever they want, and all races should be treated equally). It comes down to what people have been saying for a while. America is a lot more racist then it is willing to admit. (Tho it would be interesting to see the opinions on mixed race marriage broken down by the race of the person answering (aka Mexicans not wanting their kids to marry an Irish ect)
Sure, but I'm just wondering why the percentage of agree/ disagree for that statement is "more racist" than the other race-related statements' percentages.
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On September 24 2017 22:04 Furikawari wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2017 21:45 Gorsameth wrote:On September 24 2017 21:13 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:I think the biggest outlier/ most inconsistent response in that poll, compared to all the other responses in that poll, is that 16% of people agree that marriage should only be allowed between people of the same race and only 65% disagree. I feel like the agree percentage should have been a bit lower and the disagree much higher, based on other responses (like the agree/ disagree percentages of people thinking all races are equal, people of different races should be able to live wherever they want, and all races should be treated equally). It comes down to what people have been saying for a while. America is a lot more racist then it is willing to admit. (Tho it would be interesting to see the opinions on mixed race marriage broken down by the race of the person answering (aka Mexicans not wanting their kids to marry an Irish ect) It's not onlyy america. We have the same things in EU, people are much more racists than they pretend. And some of our politicians did/do capitalize on this but in the mean time they also freed the speech of those that often start with "I'm no racist but..." (for example, Sarkozy and some of his lieutenants, but I'm pretty sure you could name some people doing the same in your country).
Oh certainly. I think people in the EU are more willing to accept that are racist tho. And acknowledging it is the first step to trying to fix it.
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