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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France7928 Posts
On September 24 2017 20:44 GreenHorizons wrote: lol. 30% think "America must protect and preserve its White European heritage." (WTF do people think that is?) but only 8% support white nationalism? Y'all know you made "white" people up right? Like specifically so there could be a "non-white" to oppress and pillage? That 22% of people literally don't understand (or can't admit to themselves) they are supporting white nationalism by supporting what's basically their credo explains a lot about the US and why so many people are going to freak out about the kneeling more than they do the rampant abuse it's highlighting. Well we've had totally not racist people here explaining how black people were inherently more violent than white folks so you know.. Racism has become something shameful? Just make a strawman of it pretending it means being literally Hitler (and not simply holding the belief that mankind is divided in races of unequal merit and value) and keep being a complete asshole. | ||
KwarK
United States43351 Posts
On September 24 2017 14:05 Nevuk wrote: Never thought of Stevie wonder as political Especially given that he doesn't even see colour. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7928 Posts
On September 24 2017 23:43 Doodsmack wrote: Poll: Most Americans trust U.S. military leaders, not the president, to handle North Korea "War is something too serious to be handled to politicians", or when the POTUS is such an incompetent unstable clown that Doctor Strangelove most acerbic and parodic lines sound like rather good ideas. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7928 Posts
What a time to live in. | ||
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micronesia
United States24750 Posts
1) Tweets from POTUS 2) A meeting I attended with the Combatant Commander for U.S. Pacific Command on Friday. He clearly understood the strategic and political situation on the Korean Peninsula much better than the civilians above him with the possible exception of the secretary who was also a military leader until recently (not sure who wins that one though). | ||
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KwarK
United States43351 Posts
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On September 24 2017 23:57 micronesia wrote: I'm inclined to agree with those poll results based on two things: 1) Tweets from POTUS 2) A meeting I attended with the Combatant Commander for U.S. Pacific Command on Friday. He clearly understood the strategic and political situation on the Korean Peninsula much better than the civilians above him with the possible exception of the secretary who was also a military leader until recently (not sure who wins that one though). as usual; the polls results (if you look for majority opinions, or degree of opinion); are right about some things, wrong about others (including being glaringly wrong on some). on the specific issue of who understands the situation better; clearly the military here, mostly due ot trump being an idiot. | ||
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micronesia
United States24750 Posts
1) Competent military or former military commanders (with at least one exception) 2) Incompetent non-military people who probably shouldn't be in a position of leadership in the government There are also some competent civilians, but they mostly aren't making the news or getting national attention. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15725 Posts
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ZerOCoolSC2
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On September 25 2017 00:06 micronesia wrote: I think the results can be attributed to the fact that the current administration has appointed mostly two types of people: 1) Competent military or former military commanders (with at least one exception) 2) Incompetent non-military people who probably shouldn't be in a position of leadership in the government There are also some competent civilians, but they mostly aren't making the news or getting national attention. If you're competent and do your job with your head low, I would hope you don't make the news. But at the same time, this administration would do well to highlight those who are doing a good job. Take some attention off the morons who dominate news lines. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On September 24 2017 21:39 Jockmcplop wrote: Well 'white European heritage' could mean different things to different people. Its quite a vague phrase. I'm not surprised that you instantly equate it to white supremacism and nationalism, but it could just as well be referring to any aspect of white european culture. I know your of the opinion that we should burn everything down because everything is racist, but its not reasonable to expect all other people to believe that. Before you tell me I don't understand your point, I do, I'm just saying that when it comes to a phrase like 'white European heritage', assuming that this refers specifically to a way of oppressing minorities says just as much about you as it does about the respondents. They used a vague phrase, so they got a result that's impossible to clearly interpret. Even reaction to the people that want to burn down everything (because it's racist) is included in the results. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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Saryph
United States1955 Posts
On September 25 2017 01:06 Nevuk wrote: https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/911971996749230081 That tweet about 200+ players protesting looks accurate. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9754 Posts
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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
On September 25 2017 01:16 Jockmcplop wrote: Trump so good about making the news about anything but his recent political failures. But it is a pretty big failure on his part when he goes "fire everyone who protest!" and the owners go out and protest with the players. I want to see the rating numbers to see if more or less people tuned in | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9754 Posts
On September 25 2017 01:43 IyMoon wrote: But it is a pretty big failure on his part when he goes "fire everyone who protest!" and the owners go out and protest with the players. I want to see the rating numbers to see if more or less people tuned in This isn't a failure its exactly what he wants. He knows bosses aren't going to start firing their employees because he says so, he's just playing to his supporters some more. He always does this when he has recently failed at something he said he would achieve. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Falling
Canada11379 Posts
For instance, could someone, who simply thinks European history should continue to be taught in high school and post-secondary, reasonably think that "America must protect and preserve its White European heritage" more or less covers what he wants? I think at the very least, that guy is checking "Somewhat agree." What is just as interesting is "All races should be treated equally": 80% strong support 9% somewhat and only 1% not at all. And America must protect and preserve its multi-cultural heritage 56% strong, 21% somewhat 14% ambivalent, but only 5% disagreeing to a greater or lesser extent. That means the Left and Right have some pretty big points of agreement, unless the Right makes up only 5% of the population. That suggest to me- just don't throw the baby out with the bath water on the cultural front. Yes/ and rather than either/or. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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