• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 00:07
CEST 06:07
KST 13:07
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202547RSL Season 1 - Final Week9[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16
Community News
BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams4Weekly Cups (July 14-20): Final Check-up0Esports World Cup 2025 - Brackets Revealed19Weekly Cups (July 7-13): Classic continues to roll8Team TLMC #5 - Submission re-extension4
StarCraft 2
General
Jim claims he and Firefly were involved in match-fixing Power Rank - Esports World Cup 2025 RSL Revival patreon money discussion thread RSL Season 1 - Final Week The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings
Tourneys
Esports World Cup 2025 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune Mutation # 481 Fear and Lava
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ [Update] ShieldBattery: 1v1 Fastest Support! Ginuda's JaeDong Interview Series ASL20 Preliminary Maps BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams
Tourneys
CSL Xiamen International Invitational [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [CSLPRO] It's CSLAN Season! - Last Chance [BSL 2v2] ProLeague Season 3 - Friday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do.
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok) Path of Exile CCLP - Command & Conquer League Project
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Games Industry And ATVI Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Ping To Win? Pings And Their…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Socialism Anyone?
GreenHorizons
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 677 users

US Politics Mega-thread - Page 8815

Forum Index > Closed
Post a Reply
Prev 1 8813 8814 8815 8816 8817 10093 Next
Read the rules in the OP before posting, please.

In order to ensure that this thread continues to meet TL standards and follows the proper guidelines, we will be enforcing the rules in the OP more strictly. Be sure to give them a re-read to refresh your memory! The vast majority of you are contributing in a healthy way, keep it up!

NOTE: When providing a source, explain why you feel it is relevant and what purpose it adds to the discussion if it's not obvious.
Also take note that unsubstantiated tweets/posts meant only to rekindle old arguments can result in a mod action.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
September 24 2017 14:43 GMT
#176281
Poll: Most Americans trust U.S. military leaders, not the president, to handle North Korea
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7888 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-24 14:48:40
September 24 2017 14:48 GMT
#176282
On September 24 2017 20:44 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2017 20:23 Eppa! wrote:
IDK if this has been post before but http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/2017-Reuters-UVA-Ipsos-Race-Poll-9-11-2017.pdf


lol. 30% think "America must protect and preserve its White European heritage." (WTF do people think that is?) but only 8% support white nationalism?

Y'all know you made "white" people up right? Like specifically so there could be a "non-white" to oppress and pillage?

That 22% of people literally don't understand (or can't admit to themselves) they are supporting white nationalism by supporting what's basically their credo explains a lot about the US and why so many people are going to freak out about the kneeling more than they do the rampant abuse it's highlighting.

Well we've had totally not racist people here explaining how black people were inherently more violent than white folks so you know..

Racism has become something shameful? Just make a strawman of it pretending it means being literally Hitler (and not simply holding the belief that mankind is divided in races of unequal merit and value) and keep being a complete asshole.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42649 Posts
September 24 2017 14:50 GMT
#176283
On September 24 2017 14:05 Nevuk wrote:


Never thought of Stevie wonder as political

Especially given that he doesn't even see colour.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7888 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-24 14:52:09
September 24 2017 14:51 GMT
#176284
On September 24 2017 23:43 Doodsmack wrote:
Poll: Most Americans trust U.S. military leaders, not the president, to handle North Korea

"War is something too serious to be handled to politicians", or when the POTUS is such an incompetent unstable clown that Doctor Strangelove most acerbic and parodic lines sound like rather good ideas.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7888 Posts
September 24 2017 14:55 GMT
#176285
Meanwhile even Frum becomes a sensible decent guy in this parody of a political cycle:


What a time to live in.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24676 Posts
September 24 2017 14:57 GMT
#176286
I'm inclined to agree with those poll results based on two things:

1) Tweets from POTUS
2) A meeting I attended with the Combatant Commander for U.S. Pacific Command on Friday. He clearly understood the strategic and political situation on the Korean Peninsula much better than the civilians above him with the possible exception of the secretary who was also a military leader until recently (not sure who wins that one though).
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42649 Posts
September 24 2017 14:59 GMT
#176287
During the Cuban Missile Crisis the military intelligence dropped the ball and almost started a full nuclear exchange with the USSR that would undoubtedly have led to colossal American casualties. The political establishment, and Kennedy in particular, restrained the military.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
September 24 2017 15:03 GMT
#176288
On September 24 2017 23:57 micronesia wrote:
I'm inclined to agree with those poll results based on two things:

1) Tweets from POTUS
2) A meeting I attended with the Combatant Commander for U.S. Pacific Command on Friday. He clearly understood the strategic and political situation on the Korean Peninsula much better than the civilians above him with the possible exception of the secretary who was also a military leader until recently (not sure who wins that one though).

as usual; the polls results (if you look for majority opinions, or degree of opinion); are right about some things, wrong about others (including being glaringly wrong on some).
on the specific issue of who understands the situation better; clearly the military here, mostly due ot trump being an idiot.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-24 15:07:25
September 24 2017 15:06 GMT
#176289
I think the results can be attributed to the fact that the current administration has appointed mostly two types of people:

1) Competent military or former military commanders (with at least one exception)
2) Incompetent non-military people who probably shouldn't be in a position of leadership in the government

There are also some competent civilians, but they mostly aren't making the news or getting national attention.
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15686 Posts
September 24 2017 15:18 GMT
#176290
Trump vs NFL is fascinating because it is one of those times where people who are full on tribal are just starting from the position that the NFL is doing something wrong. The people who have some semblance of individuality are taking a step back, despite their support for Trump, and just shaking their heads.
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
8982 Posts
September 24 2017 15:19 GMT
#176291
On September 25 2017 00:06 micronesia wrote:
I think the results can be attributed to the fact that the current administration has appointed mostly two types of people:

1) Competent military or former military commanders (with at least one exception)
2) Incompetent non-military people who probably shouldn't be in a position of leadership in the government

There are also some competent civilians, but they mostly aren't making the news or getting national attention.

If you're competent and do your job with your head low, I would hope you don't make the news. But at the same time, this administration would do well to highlight those who are doing a good job. Take some attention off the morons who dominate news lines.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
September 24 2017 15:20 GMT
#176292
On September 24 2017 21:39 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2017 20:44 GreenHorizons wrote:
On September 24 2017 20:23 Eppa! wrote:
IDK if this has been post before but http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/2017-Reuters-UVA-Ipsos-Race-Poll-9-11-2017.pdf


lol. 30% think "America must protect and preserve its White European heritage." (WTF do people think that is?) but only 8% support white nationalism?

Y'all know you made "white" people up right? Like specifically so there could be a "non-white" to oppress and pillage?

That 22% of people literally don't understand (or can't admit to themselves) they are supporting white nationalism by supporting what's basically their credo explains a lot about the US and why so many people are going to freak out about the kneeling more than they do the rampant abuse it's highlighting.



Well 'white European heritage' could mean different things to different people. Its quite a vague phrase. I'm not surprised that you instantly equate it to white supremacism and nationalism, but it could just as well be referring to any aspect of white european culture.
I know your of the opinion that we should burn everything down because everything is racist, but its not reasonable to expect all other people to believe that.
Before you tell me I don't understand your point, I do, I'm just saying that when it comes to a phrase like 'white European heritage', assuming that this refers specifically to a way of oppressing minorities says just as much about you as it does about the respondents.

They used a vague phrase, so they got a result that's impossible to clearly interpret. Even reaction to the people that want to burn down everything (because it's racist) is included in the results.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
TL+ Member
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
September 24 2017 16:06 GMT
#176293
Saryph
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1955 Posts
September 24 2017 16:12 GMT
#176294
On September 25 2017 01:06 Nevuk wrote:
https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/911971996749230081




That tweet about 200+ players protesting looks accurate.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9646 Posts
September 24 2017 16:16 GMT
#176295
Trump so good about making the news about anything but his recent political failures.
RIP Meatloaf <3
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
September 24 2017 16:43 GMT
#176296
On September 25 2017 01:16 Jockmcplop wrote:
Trump so good about making the news about anything but his recent political failures.


But it is a pretty big failure on his part when he goes "fire everyone who protest!" and the owners go out and protest with the players.

I want to see the rating numbers to see if more or less people tuned in
Something witty
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9646 Posts
September 24 2017 16:46 GMT
#176297
On September 25 2017 01:43 IyMoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2017 01:16 Jockmcplop wrote:
Trump so good about making the news about anything but his recent political failures.


But it is a pretty big failure on his part when he goes "fire everyone who protest!" and the owners go out and protest with the players.

I want to see the rating numbers to see if more or less people tuned in


This isn't a failure its exactly what he wants. He knows bosses aren't going to start firing their employees because he says so, he's just playing to his supporters some more.
He always does this when he has recently failed at something he said he would achieve.
RIP Meatloaf <3
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-24 17:10:27
September 24 2017 16:51 GMT
#176298


"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11349 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-24 17:44:53
September 24 2017 17:25 GMT
#176299
Yeah, as it was the pollsters that came up with the question themselves: "white European culture", I could very well see positive answers including both the dog whistle guys and people that support protecting pan-European culture, which might be a better, less loaded term. Like, most people that have lived in America for a long time, probably could not trace a pure Germanic, Italian, British, etc line and so if you are part French, Scot, Swedish, and Greek, you would value a more collective understanding of European culture rather than a highly specific one (Bavarian, Basque...).

For instance, could someone, who simply thinks European history should continue to be taught in high school and post-secondary, reasonably think that "America must protect and preserve its White European heritage" more or less covers what he wants? I think at the very least, that guy is checking "Somewhat agree."

What is just as interesting is
"All races should be treated equally": 80% strong support 9% somewhat and only 1% not at all.
And America must protect and preserve its multi-cultural heritage 56% strong, 21% somewhat 14% ambivalent, but only 5% disagreeing to a greater or lesser extent. That means the Left and Right have some pretty big points of agreement, unless the Right makes up only 5% of the population. That suggest to me- just don't throw the baby out with the bath water on the cultural front. Yes/ and rather than either/or.
Moderator"In Trump We Trust," says the Golden Goat of Mars Lago. Have faith and believe! Trump moves in mysterious ways. Like the wind he blows where he pleases...
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
September 24 2017 17:36 GMT
#176300
Prev 1 8813 8814 8815 8816 8817 10093 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 5h 53m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft472
Livibee 123
Ketroc 65
StarCraft: Brood War
Light 3351
Leta 593
ggaemo 215
Noble 79
Sharp 62
NaDa 43
Icarus 8
Britney 0
Dota 2
monkeys_forever1105
League of Legends
JimRising 775
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K953
Other Games
summit1g12424
hungrybox320
ViBE202
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1748
BasetradeTV33
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 61
• practicex 45
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki17
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Scarra1489
• Stunt140
Other Games
• Shiphtur307
Upcoming Events
Esports World Cup
5h 53m
Reynor vs Zoun
Solar vs SHIN
Classic vs ShoWTimE
Cure vs Rogue
Esports World Cup
1d 6h
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
2 days
CSO Cup
2 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
2 days
Bonyth vs Sziky
Dewalt vs Hawk
Hawk vs QiaoGege
Sziky vs Dewalt
Mihu vs Bonyth
Zhanhun vs QiaoGege
QiaoGege vs Fengzi
FEL
3 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
3 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
3 days
Bonyth vs Zhanhun
Dewalt vs Mihu
Hawk vs Sziky
Sziky vs QiaoGege
Mihu vs Hawk
Zhanhun vs Dewalt
Fengzi vs Bonyth
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
[ Show More ]
Online Event
5 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Xiamen Invitational
Championship of Russia 2025
Murky Cup #2

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL20 Non-Korean Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
CC Div. A S7
Underdog Cup #2
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25

Upcoming

CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
ASL Season 20: Qualifier #1
ASL Season 20: Qualifier #2
ASL Season 20
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
FEL Cracov 2025
HCC Europe
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.