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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18826 Posts
September 24 2017 00:59 GMT
#176221
On September 24 2017 09:55 Wulfey_LA wrote:
It is fitting that the Patriots are the most patriotic team in the NFL. Finally someone is willing to stand up to the PC left and fight to make this country great again. Prepare to get triggered:

+ Show Spoiler +



Is that legit?
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32740 Posts
September 24 2017 01:00 GMT
#176222
On September 24 2017 09:59 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2017 09:55 Wulfey_LA wrote:
It is fitting that the Patriots are the most patriotic team in the NFL. Finally someone is willing to stand up to the PC left and fight to make this country great again. Prepare to get triggered:

+ Show Spoiler +

https://twitter.com/davelozo/status/911732025249423361

Is that legit?

I'm fairly certain it's satire from that guy's Twitter account.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18826 Posts
September 24 2017 01:01 GMT
#176223
Lol thought so, these days it's hard to tell
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Wulfey_LA
Profile Joined April 2017
932 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-24 01:08:51
September 24 2017 01:03 GMT
#176224
Oh yeah, it is satire. But people were asking "who is sticking up for the President", so I figured I would volunteer. EDIT: something I found.

EDIT2: to below, if DonJR showed that to DJT and neither read it closely, I am fairly confident that DJT would at least cite support from the Patriots in a speech the next day.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23221 Posts
September 24 2017 01:06 GMT
#176225
On September 24 2017 10:01 farvacola wrote:
Lol thought so, these days it's hard to tell


Odds Trump retweets it?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
September 24 2017 01:11 GMT
#176226
On September 24 2017 10:06 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2017 10:01 farvacola wrote:
Lol thought so, these days it's hard to tell


Odds Trump retweets it?


I promise right here and now to vote for R in the midterm if he re tweets it
Something witty
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
September 24 2017 01:15 GMT
#176227
[image loading]

Excerpt from a recent NBC news & WSJ survey

This is still such a weird phenomenon to me. As much as people disliked Hillary, even within the Democratic party, I don't recall people ever being labeled Clinton supporters to differentiate them from other Democrat voters. There were no Obama supporters, or Bush supporters, but Trump basically ended up with his own political party. Is this what happens when you elect a guy who is so divisive that he can't even unite most of his own party?

It will be interesting to see what direction the Republican party goes in a few years after Trump is out of the picture and all those self-identifying Trump supporters need to find someone/something new to rally behind.
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
September 24 2017 01:24 GMT
#176228
On September 24 2017 10:15 Tachion wrote:
[image loading]

Excerpt from a recent NBC news & WSJ survey

This is still such a weird phenomenon to me. As much as people disliked Hillary, even within the Democratic party, I don't recall people ever being labeled Clinton supporters to differentiate them from other Democrat voters. There were no Obama supporters, or Bush supporters, but Trump basically ended up with his own political party. Is this what happens when you elect a guy who is so divisive that he can't even unite most of his own party?

It will be interesting to see what direction the Republican party goes in a few years after Trump is out of the picture and all those self-identifying Trump supporters need to find someone/something new to rally behind.

you could probably see a similar, though milder, effect with Bernie.
It's perhaps more a result of electing someone who's from a far faction of the party which doesn't get along well with (some of) the other factions.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-24 01:45:50
September 24 2017 01:45 GMT
#176229
On September 24 2017 10:15 Tachion wrote:
[image loading]

Excerpt from a recent NBC news & WSJ survey

This is still such a weird phenomenon to me. As much as people disliked Hillary, even within the Democratic party, I don't recall people ever being labeled Clinton supporters to differentiate them from other Democrat voters. There were no Obama supporters, or Bush supporters, but Trump basically ended up with his own political party. Is this what happens when you elect a guy who is so divisive that he can't even unite most of his own party?

It will be interesting to see what direction the Republican party goes in a few years after Trump is out of the picture and all those self-identifying Trump supporters need to find someone/something new to rally behind.


I think this is more what happens when you have party identity dissolving at the seams across the U.S., particularly in the Republican party thanks to the organized anti-establishment Tea Party movement, with historically low "Democrat" and "Republican" identification across the U.S. and more independents than any year in 75 years of polling from Pew. The Tea Party only made this worse, and though they don't have 2016 data posted here on Pew I would be astonished if it hadn't continued to trend upward.
Ayaz2810
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2763 Posts
September 24 2017 01:56 GMT
#176230
Keep politics out of sports amirite guys?

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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
September 24 2017 01:57 GMT
#176231
On September 24 2017 10:15 Tachion wrote:
[image loading]

Excerpt from a recent NBC news & WSJ survey

This is still such a weird phenomenon to me. As much as people disliked Hillary, even within the Democratic party, I don't recall people ever being labeled Clinton supporters to differentiate them from other Democrat voters. There were no Obama supporters, or Bush supporters, but Trump basically ended up with his own political party. Is this what happens when you elect a guy who is so divisive that he can't even unite most of his own party?

It will be interesting to see what direction the Republican party goes in a few years after Trump is out of the picture and all those self-identifying Trump supporters need to find someone/something new to rally behind.

Did you forget about Bernie voters? There was an obvious distinction between Clinton voters and Bernie voters.

You got to understand one thing. There are very few respected Republican leaders left. In many ways, the Congressional leadership betrayed the Republican Party in ways Trump could only dream of. The poll makes sense.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
September 24 2017 02:04 GMT
#176232
On September 24 2017 09:16 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2017 09:13 NewSunshine wrote:
On September 24 2017 09:11 OuchyDathurts wrote:
Politics have ALWAYS been part and parcel with sports. If you've got a problem with that its time to stop watching sports.

I would've thought all the ceremonies, anthems, and ads that are sprinkled into every major sporting event were pretty big tip-offs.


These are generally patriotic and unifying. For a long time they weren't a left/right thing and it's a left-winger's tinted glasses that would see it as such.

Edit: ok hopefully done for real. We'll see

No taking breaks from politics now. This will do great things for the political divide.

Also, wow about the American flag and the military. The flag of the Republican Party and the military of the Republican Party, am I right?

Trump has an impressive race to the bottom, but his competition is doing their best to beat him. It'll be close.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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TheFish7
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States2824 Posts
September 24 2017 02:16 GMT
#176233
I think we're seeing more distraction coming from Trump. I mean, is a few ball players taking a knee during the national anthem such a big deal? Ideologically, maybe - but not in a practical sense.The debate was pretty much had with folks agreeing to disagree until Trump said "son of a bitch" at a rally. Trump rails about the news media all the time but all they seem to do is regurgitate what he says and analyze it ad nauseam.

Side note, CNN has been playing the clip of Trump at the rally and bleeping out the word "bitch". Pretty surreal they feel they have to censor the words coming out of the president's mouth.
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
September 24 2017 02:23 GMT
#176234
If entertainers want to go political, then I will treat them as political commentators rather than entertainers. If they are ok with that result then go for it.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
September 24 2017 02:29 GMT
#176235
On September 24 2017 11:23 LegalLord wrote:
If entertainers want to go political, then I will treat them as political commentators rather than entertainers. If they are ok with that result then go for it.

PoC don't have the privilege of being able to just forget that racism is a thing anytime they feel like it. So the question becomes whether you consider the occasional statement or protest "going political". I wouldn't in this case.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
8983 Posts
September 24 2017 02:32 GMT
#176236
On September 24 2017 11:23 LegalLord wrote:
If entertainers want to go political, then I will treat them as political commentators rather than entertainers. If they are ok with that result then go for it.

So you're going to boycott all sports any time someone does something you disagree with?
by.elite
Profile Blog Joined June 2017
Canada16 Posts
September 24 2017 02:59 GMT
#176237
Who needs sports. We got ESPORTS and Sir Richard Lewis to protect us from it's politicization and the invading hordes.
TuElite
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-24 03:12:36
September 24 2017 03:12 GMT
#176238
It's kinda funny to see a hand-egg team protest inequality, to then have people argue that they're not equal but "in this case" different.

That's logic.

By definition, they're political protesters. They demonstratively protest politics. For the right reasons, in my mind - but also in my mind, that doesn't make them somehow different than any other protester. I just like them more because they share my viewpoint.

That, nothing else, is the difference. They're not "a special kind".

So you're going to boycott all sports any time someone does something you disagree with?


You boycott stuff that you disagree with?
On track to MA1950A.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
September 24 2017 03:16 GMT
#176239
On September 24 2017 11:32 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2017 11:23 LegalLord wrote:
If entertainers want to go political, then I will treat them as political commentators rather than entertainers. If they are ok with that result then go for it.

So you're going to boycott all sports any time someone does something you disagree with?

Do you make it a habit to boycott political commentators?

Also, do I seem like I like Trump?
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Wulfey_LA
Profile Joined April 2017
932 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-24 03:20:11
September 24 2017 03:16 GMT
#176240
Does anyone remember the idyllic times of 48 hours ago, when a stern debate was had about whether or not DJT was threatening 25 million people with genocide over Twitter? Some Cons said that the Libs were making undue assumptions. The Libs said that only one conclusion could be drawn from DJT's nonsense. Like all issues, DJT is determined to prove the Libs were right all along. This is what a first strike threat looks like. This is the real thing.



EDIT: I can already feel this debate coming. 3 pages long. Team Con will put up some condescending nonsense about how 'THEY' could possibly just mean some sort of totally A-Okay decapitation first strike. Team Lib will point out that DJT's feeble grasp of the issue and lack knowledge about any military options beyond a full nuclear strike preclude any minimal interpretation of 'THEY'. And we will wait another 48 hours for DJT to make clear that team Con was full shit, and team Lib was right, DJT meant 'THEY' in the 25 million sense.
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