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On September 24 2017 08:36 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2017 08:15 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 08:11 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 07:58 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 07:50 Introvert wrote:
It'd be great if they both shut up. No reason for a sports team to go the White House, no reason for it to be public debate, no reason for players to talk about it, and no reason for Trump to take to twitter about it. It's tradition, I thought conservatives loved tradition?There's lots of reasons for players to talk about it, plenty of reasons for public debate and, no.... you're right, Trump shouldn't have said anything (since acknowledging and addressing the rampant abuse of PoC is off the table). I have to say the "both sides" defense is better than the grammar police, athletes shouldn't have political opinions (unless they are tom brady endorsing the president) and random rage I've seen from most conservatives. It's still grossly wrong, but better. See, when you say things like this it gives more evidence that either A) after all this time you don't know what you are talking about, or B) that you purposely ask disingenuous questions. But I know it's a bipartisan tradition, but the two realms should be kept separate and the president should not do dumb photo ops to make them seem more like celebrities. We pay professional athletes more than doctors, scientists, cops, teachers, basically all jobs but CEO's and the like. According the false meritocracy America is built on they most certainly should get a photo op with the president if they want it. These athletes are drawing attention to an incredibly serious issue, and they should be. Snowflakes like Trump need to just suck it up. That first part has nothing to do with anything. And what great attention going on about visiting the White House to protest Trump is. They are accomplishing so much! We need more. Just like we need to know the opinion of other entertainers.
If you understood the first part you would see why more celebrity opinions are a forgone conclusion. You remember the president is an entertainer too right?
Also, you mock but this is good to have attention shined on for the underlying issues, that may be one reason you're so unappreciative of it.
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On September 24 2017 08:38 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2017 08:36 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 08:15 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 08:11 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 07:58 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 07:50 Introvert wrote:
It'd be great if they both shut up. No reason for a sports team to go the White House, no reason for it to be public debate, no reason for players to talk about it, and no reason for Trump to take to twitter about it. It's tradition, I thought conservatives loved tradition?There's lots of reasons for players to talk about it, plenty of reasons for public debate and, no.... you're right, Trump shouldn't have said anything (since acknowledging and addressing the rampant abuse of PoC is off the table). I have to say the "both sides" defense is better than the grammar police, athletes shouldn't have political opinions (unless they are tom brady endorsing the president) and random rage I've seen from most conservatives. It's still grossly wrong, but better. See, when you say things like this it gives more evidence that either A) after all this time you don't know what you are talking about, or B) that you purposely ask disingenuous questions. But I know it's a bipartisan tradition, but the two realms should be kept separate and the president should not do dumb photo ops to make them seem more like celebrities. We pay professional athletes more than doctors, scientists, cops, teachers, basically all jobs but CEO's and the like. According the false meritocracy America is built on they most certainly should get a photo op with the president if they want it. These athletes are drawing attention to an incredibly serious issue, and they should be. Snowflakes like Trump need to just suck it up. That first part has nothing to do with anything. And what great attention going on about visiting the White House to protest Trump is. They are accomplishing so much! We need more. Just like we need to know the opinion of other entertainers. You don't get to use this one any more. Really Reagan should have ended this shit, but it's really over now. Trump ended it forever. There is no more "stay in our lane" when Hollywood or sports folks decide its politics time.
Actually, I'm arguing my own point. I can say it.
On September 24 2017 08:39 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2017 08:36 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 08:15 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 08:11 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 07:58 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 07:50 Introvert wrote:
It'd be great if they both shut up. No reason for a sports team to go the White House, no reason for it to be public debate, no reason for players to talk about it, and no reason for Trump to take to twitter about it. It's tradition, I thought conservatives loved tradition?There's lots of reasons for players to talk about it, plenty of reasons for public debate and, no.... you're right, Trump shouldn't have said anything (since acknowledging and addressing the rampant abuse of PoC is off the table). I have to say the "both sides" defense is better than the grammar police, athletes shouldn't have political opinions (unless they are tom brady endorsing the president) and random rage I've seen from most conservatives. It's still grossly wrong, but better. See, when you say things like this it gives more evidence that either A) after all this time you don't know what you are talking about, or B) that you purposely ask disingenuous questions. But I know it's a bipartisan tradition, but the two realms should be kept separate and the president should not do dumb photo ops to make them seem more like celebrities. We pay professional athletes more than doctors, scientists, cops, teachers, basically all jobs but CEO's and the like. According the false meritocracy America is built on they most certainly should get a photo op with the president if they want it. These athletes are drawing attention to an incredibly serious issue, and they should be. Snowflakes like Trump need to just suck it up. That first part has nothing to do with anything. And what great attention going on about visiting the White House to protest Trump is. They are accomplishing so much! We need more. Just like we need to know the opinion of other entertainers. If you understood the first part you would see why more celebrity opinions are a forgone conclusion. You remember the president is an entertainer too right?
I didn't say they were going anywhere.
And yes, but he's also the elected president. And he ran for office, and he's doing things. I fail to see how the two are remotely comparably or how on earth this point is relevant to what I'm saying.
edit: hemming and hawing about White House visits doesn't draw attention to anything besides their own useless signaling about their part of the resistance.
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On September 24 2017 08:42 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2017 08:38 Plansix wrote:On September 24 2017 08:36 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 08:15 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 08:11 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 07:58 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 07:50 Introvert wrote:
It'd be great if they both shut up. No reason for a sports team to go the White House, no reason for it to be public debate, no reason for players to talk about it, and no reason for Trump to take to twitter about it. It's tradition, I thought conservatives loved tradition?There's lots of reasons for players to talk about it, plenty of reasons for public debate and, no.... you're right, Trump shouldn't have said anything (since acknowledging and addressing the rampant abuse of PoC is off the table). I have to say the "both sides" defense is better than the grammar police, athletes shouldn't have political opinions (unless they are tom brady endorsing the president) and random rage I've seen from most conservatives. It's still grossly wrong, but better. See, when you say things like this it gives more evidence that either A) after all this time you don't know what you are talking about, or B) that you purposely ask disingenuous questions. But I know it's a bipartisan tradition, but the two realms should be kept separate and the president should not do dumb photo ops to make them seem more like celebrities. We pay professional athletes more than doctors, scientists, cops, teachers, basically all jobs but CEO's and the like. According the false meritocracy America is built on they most certainly should get a photo op with the president if they want it. These athletes are drawing attention to an incredibly serious issue, and they should be. Snowflakes like Trump need to just suck it up. That first part has nothing to do with anything. And what great attention going on about visiting the White House to protest Trump is. They are accomplishing so much! We need more. Just like we need to know the opinion of other entertainers. You don't get to use this one any more. Really Reagan should have ended this shit, but it's really over now. Trump ended it forever. There is no more "stay in our lane" when Hollywood or sports folks decide its politics time. Actually, I'm arguing my own point. I can say it. Show nested quote +On September 24 2017 08:39 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 08:36 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 08:15 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 08:11 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 07:58 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 07:50 Introvert wrote:
It'd be great if they both shut up. No reason for a sports team to go the White House, no reason for it to be public debate, no reason for players to talk about it, and no reason for Trump to take to twitter about it. It's tradition, I thought conservatives loved tradition?There's lots of reasons for players to talk about it, plenty of reasons for public debate and, no.... you're right, Trump shouldn't have said anything (since acknowledging and addressing the rampant abuse of PoC is off the table). I have to say the "both sides" defense is better than the grammar police, athletes shouldn't have political opinions (unless they are tom brady endorsing the president) and random rage I've seen from most conservatives. It's still grossly wrong, but better. See, when you say things like this it gives more evidence that either A) after all this time you don't know what you are talking about, or B) that you purposely ask disingenuous questions. But I know it's a bipartisan tradition, but the two realms should be kept separate and the president should not do dumb photo ops to make them seem more like celebrities. We pay professional athletes more than doctors, scientists, cops, teachers, basically all jobs but CEO's and the like. According the false meritocracy America is built on they most certainly should get a photo op with the president if they want it. These athletes are drawing attention to an incredibly serious issue, and they should be. Snowflakes like Trump need to just suck it up. That first part has nothing to do with anything. And what great attention going on about visiting the White House to protest Trump is. They are accomplishing so much! We need more. Just like we need to know the opinion of other entertainers. If you understood the first part you would see why more celebrity opinions are a forgone conclusion. You remember the president is an entertainer too right? I didn't say they were going anywhere. And yes, but he's also the elected president. And he ran for office, and he's doing things. I fail to see how the two are remotely comparably or how on earth this point is relevant to what I'm saying.
I'm kind of at a loss. You lament them, but know they are going to continue/expand, yet you can't grasp how the false meritocracy is related to both that trend and Republicans electing a wholly incompetent entertainer to be president?
edit: hemming and hawing about White House visits doesn't draw attention to anything besides their own useless signaling about their part of the resistance
It's got more people speaking out and displaying their discontent. So I completely disagree with your interpretation.
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On September 24 2017 08:36 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2017 08:15 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 08:11 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 07:58 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 07:50 Introvert wrote:
It'd be great if they both shut up. No reason for a sports team to go the White House, no reason for it to be public debate, no reason for players to talk about it, and no reason for Trump to take to twitter about it. It's tradition, I thought conservatives loved tradition?There's lots of reasons for players to talk about it, plenty of reasons for public debate and, no.... you're right, Trump shouldn't have said anything (since acknowledging and addressing the rampant abuse of PoC is off the table). I have to say the "both sides" defense is better than the grammar police, athletes shouldn't have political opinions (unless they are tom brady endorsing the president) and random rage I've seen from most conservatives. It's still grossly wrong, but better. See, when you say things like this it gives more evidence that either A) after all this time you don't know what you are talking about, or B) that you purposely ask disingenuous questions. But I know it's a bipartisan tradition, but the two realms should be kept separate and the president should not do dumb photo ops to make them seem more like celebrities. We pay professional athletes more than doctors, scientists, cops, teachers, basically all jobs but CEO's and the like. According the false meritocracy America is built on they most certainly should get a photo op with the president if they want it. These athletes are drawing attention to an incredibly serious issue, and they should be. Snowflakes like Trump need to just suck it up. That first part has nothing to do with anything. And what great attention going on about visiting the White House to protest Trump is. They are accomplishing so much! We need more. Just like we need to know the opinion of other entertainers. Edit: + Show Spoiler +
Although as far as I'm aware the NFL doesn't have to allow the players to protest, either.
Civil rights activists have been told they're being divisive and that they need to be quiet and support unity since before the Civil War and the end of slavery. I think they're aware that civil rights is a divisive issue. They just think it shouldn't be.
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The political gate keeping argument used to silence or dismiss entertainers has always been shit. They spent years building up their fame, talent and influence in the US media or sports. If they want to throw their hat in the ring, that is what living in a free country is all about. If the only argument you can bring is "stay in your lane", don't even bother.
This letter is ever green. "Divisive" is another way to say "be quite". Knee before the flag and find a way the protest that doesn't upset me. Protest in a matter than pleases those in power.
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On September 24 2017 08:45 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2017 08:42 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 08:38 Plansix wrote:On September 24 2017 08:36 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 08:15 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 08:11 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 07:58 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 07:50 Introvert wrote:
It'd be great if they both shut up. No reason for a sports team to go the White House, no reason for it to be public debate, no reason for players to talk about it, and no reason for Trump to take to twitter about it. It's tradition, I thought conservatives loved tradition?There's lots of reasons for players to talk about it, plenty of reasons for public debate and, no.... you're right, Trump shouldn't have said anything (since acknowledging and addressing the rampant abuse of PoC is off the table). I have to say the "both sides" defense is better than the grammar police, athletes shouldn't have political opinions (unless they are tom brady endorsing the president) and random rage I've seen from most conservatives. It's still grossly wrong, but better. See, when you say things like this it gives more evidence that either A) after all this time you don't know what you are talking about, or B) that you purposely ask disingenuous questions. But I know it's a bipartisan tradition, but the two realms should be kept separate and the president should not do dumb photo ops to make them seem more like celebrities. We pay professional athletes more than doctors, scientists, cops, teachers, basically all jobs but CEO's and the like. According the false meritocracy America is built on they most certainly should get a photo op with the president if they want it. These athletes are drawing attention to an incredibly serious issue, and they should be. Snowflakes like Trump need to just suck it up. That first part has nothing to do with anything. And what great attention going on about visiting the White House to protest Trump is. They are accomplishing so much! We need more. Just like we need to know the opinion of other entertainers. You don't get to use this one any more. Really Reagan should have ended this shit, but it's really over now. Trump ended it forever. There is no more "stay in our lane" when Hollywood or sports folks decide its politics time. Actually, I'm arguing my own point. I can say it. On September 24 2017 08:39 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 08:36 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 08:15 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 08:11 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 07:58 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 07:50 Introvert wrote:
It'd be great if they both shut up. No reason for a sports team to go the White House, no reason for it to be public debate, no reason for players to talk about it, and no reason for Trump to take to twitter about it. It's tradition, I thought conservatives loved tradition?There's lots of reasons for players to talk about it, plenty of reasons for public debate and, no.... you're right, Trump shouldn't have said anything (since acknowledging and addressing the rampant abuse of PoC is off the table). I have to say the "both sides" defense is better than the grammar police, athletes shouldn't have political opinions (unless they are tom brady endorsing the president) and random rage I've seen from most conservatives. It's still grossly wrong, but better. See, when you say things like this it gives more evidence that either A) after all this time you don't know what you are talking about, or B) that you purposely ask disingenuous questions. But I know it's a bipartisan tradition, but the two realms should be kept separate and the president should not do dumb photo ops to make them seem more like celebrities. We pay professional athletes more than doctors, scientists, cops, teachers, basically all jobs but CEO's and the like. According the false meritocracy America is built on they most certainly should get a photo op with the president if they want it. These athletes are drawing attention to an incredibly serious issue, and they should be. Snowflakes like Trump need to just suck it up. That first part has nothing to do with anything. And what great attention going on about visiting the White House to protest Trump is. They are accomplishing so much! We need more. Just like we need to know the opinion of other entertainers. If you understood the first part you would see why more celebrity opinions are a forgone conclusion. You remember the president is an entertainer too right? I didn't say they were going anywhere. And yes, but he's also the elected president. And he ran for office, and he's doing things. I fail to see how the two are remotely comparably or how on earth this point is relevant to what I'm saying. I'm kind of at a loss. You lament them but, know they are going to continue/expand, but you can't grasp how the false meritocracy is related to both that trend and Republicans electing a wholly incompetent entertainer to be president? Show nested quote +edit: hemming and hawing about White House visits doesn't draw attention to anything besides their own useless signaling about their part of the resistance It's got more people speaking out and displaying their discontent. So I completely disagree with your interpretation.
Well if we really wanted to dig into this we'd examine "false meritocracy."
It has a bunch of rich superstars bringing politics into an apolitical arena. It helps nothing. But you've had this explained to you on other issues. You don't see how this could possibly backfire? Steph Curry debating the White House visit did nothing but polarize people. Excellent work everyone.
On September 24 2017 08:51 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2017 08:36 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 08:15 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 08:11 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 07:58 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 07:50 Introvert wrote:
It'd be great if they both shut up. No reason for a sports team to go the White House, no reason for it to be public debate, no reason for players to talk about it, and no reason for Trump to take to twitter about it. It's tradition, I thought conservatives loved tradition?There's lots of reasons for players to talk about it, plenty of reasons for public debate and, no.... you're right, Trump shouldn't have said anything (since acknowledging and addressing the rampant abuse of PoC is off the table). I have to say the "both sides" defense is better than the grammar police, athletes shouldn't have political opinions (unless they are tom brady endorsing the president) and random rage I've seen from most conservatives. It's still grossly wrong, but better. See, when you say things like this it gives more evidence that either A) after all this time you don't know what you are talking about, or B) that you purposely ask disingenuous questions. But I know it's a bipartisan tradition, but the two realms should be kept separate and the president should not do dumb photo ops to make them seem more like celebrities. We pay professional athletes more than doctors, scientists, cops, teachers, basically all jobs but CEO's and the like. According the false meritocracy America is built on they most certainly should get a photo op with the president if they want it. These athletes are drawing attention to an incredibly serious issue, and they should be. Snowflakes like Trump need to just suck it up. That first part has nothing to do with anything. And what great attention going on about visiting the White House to protest Trump is. They are accomplishing so much! We need more. Just like we need to know the opinion of other entertainers. Edit: + Show Spoiler + Civil rights activists have been told they're being divisive and that they need to be quiet and support unity since before the Civil War and the end of slavery. I think they're aware that civil rights is a divisive issue. They just think it shouldn't be.
Then they can do so on private time. They aren't fighting an injustice within the NBA.
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On September 24 2017 08:52 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2017 08:45 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 08:42 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 08:38 Plansix wrote:On September 24 2017 08:36 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 08:15 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 08:11 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 07:58 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 07:50 Introvert wrote:
It'd be great if they both shut up. No reason for a sports team to go the White House, no reason for it to be public debate, no reason for players to talk about it, and no reason for Trump to take to twitter about it. It's tradition, I thought conservatives loved tradition?There's lots of reasons for players to talk about it, plenty of reasons for public debate and, no.... you're right, Trump shouldn't have said anything (since acknowledging and addressing the rampant abuse of PoC is off the table). I have to say the "both sides" defense is better than the grammar police, athletes shouldn't have political opinions (unless they are tom brady endorsing the president) and random rage I've seen from most conservatives. It's still grossly wrong, but better. See, when you say things like this it gives more evidence that either A) after all this time you don't know what you are talking about, or B) that you purposely ask disingenuous questions. But I know it's a bipartisan tradition, but the two realms should be kept separate and the president should not do dumb photo ops to make them seem more like celebrities. We pay professional athletes more than doctors, scientists, cops, teachers, basically all jobs but CEO's and the like. According the false meritocracy America is built on they most certainly should get a photo op with the president if they want it. These athletes are drawing attention to an incredibly serious issue, and they should be. Snowflakes like Trump need to just suck it up. That first part has nothing to do with anything. And what great attention going on about visiting the White House to protest Trump is. They are accomplishing so much! We need more. Just like we need to know the opinion of other entertainers. You don't get to use this one any more. Really Reagan should have ended this shit, but it's really over now. Trump ended it forever. There is no more "stay in our lane" when Hollywood or sports folks decide its politics time. Actually, I'm arguing my own point. I can say it. On September 24 2017 08:39 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 08:36 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 08:15 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 08:11 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 07:58 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 07:50 Introvert wrote:
It'd be great if they both shut up. No reason for a sports team to go the White House, no reason for it to be public debate, no reason for players to talk about it, and no reason for Trump to take to twitter about it. It's tradition, I thought conservatives loved tradition?There's lots of reasons for players to talk about it, plenty of reasons for public debate and, no.... you're right, Trump shouldn't have said anything (since acknowledging and addressing the rampant abuse of PoC is off the table). I have to say the "both sides" defense is better than the grammar police, athletes shouldn't have political opinions (unless they are tom brady endorsing the president) and random rage I've seen from most conservatives. It's still grossly wrong, but better. See, when you say things like this it gives more evidence that either A) after all this time you don't know what you are talking about, or B) that you purposely ask disingenuous questions. But I know it's a bipartisan tradition, but the two realms should be kept separate and the president should not do dumb photo ops to make them seem more like celebrities. We pay professional athletes more than doctors, scientists, cops, teachers, basically all jobs but CEO's and the like. According the false meritocracy America is built on they most certainly should get a photo op with the president if they want it. These athletes are drawing attention to an incredibly serious issue, and they should be. Snowflakes like Trump need to just suck it up. That first part has nothing to do with anything. And what great attention going on about visiting the White House to protest Trump is. They are accomplishing so much! We need more. Just like we need to know the opinion of other entertainers. If you understood the first part you would see why more celebrity opinions are a forgone conclusion. You remember the president is an entertainer too right? I didn't say they were going anywhere. And yes, but he's also the elected president. And he ran for office, and he's doing things. I fail to see how the two are remotely comparably or how on earth this point is relevant to what I'm saying. I'm kind of at a loss. You lament them but, know they are going to continue/expand, but you can't grasp how the false meritocracy is related to both that trend and Republicans electing a wholly incompetent entertainer to be president? edit: hemming and hawing about White House visits doesn't draw attention to anything besides their own useless signaling about their part of the resistance It's got more people speaking out and displaying their discontent. So I completely disagree with your interpretation. Well if we really wanted to dig into this we'd examine "false meritocracy." It has a bunch of rich superstars bringing politics into an apolitical arena. It helps nothing. But you've had this explained to you on other issues. You don't see how this could possibly backfire? Steph Curry debating the White House visit did nothing but polarize people. Excellent work everyone.
No, I get that some people have a really hard time being confronted with their support of America's white supremacist culture and think that reacting to people demanding their rights by saying "they hurt my feelings so they don't deserve them" is some sort acceptable behavior absolving them of their bigotry and inaction.
I just think it's an idiotic position to try to hold (see sig).
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On September 24 2017 08:56 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2017 08:52 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 08:45 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 08:42 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 08:38 Plansix wrote:On September 24 2017 08:36 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 08:15 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 08:11 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 07:58 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 07:50 Introvert wrote:
It'd be great if they both shut up. No reason for a sports team to go the White House, no reason for it to be public debate, no reason for players to talk about it, and no reason for Trump to take to twitter about it. It's tradition, I thought conservatives loved tradition?There's lots of reasons for players to talk about it, plenty of reasons for public debate and, no.... you're right, Trump shouldn't have said anything (since acknowledging and addressing the rampant abuse of PoC is off the table). I have to say the "both sides" defense is better than the grammar police, athletes shouldn't have political opinions (unless they are tom brady endorsing the president) and random rage I've seen from most conservatives. It's still grossly wrong, but better. See, when you say things like this it gives more evidence that either A) after all this time you don't know what you are talking about, or B) that you purposely ask disingenuous questions. But I know it's a bipartisan tradition, but the two realms should be kept separate and the president should not do dumb photo ops to make them seem more like celebrities. We pay professional athletes more than doctors, scientists, cops, teachers, basically all jobs but CEO's and the like. According the false meritocracy America is built on they most certainly should get a photo op with the president if they want it. These athletes are drawing attention to an incredibly serious issue, and they should be. Snowflakes like Trump need to just suck it up. That first part has nothing to do with anything. And what great attention going on about visiting the White House to protest Trump is. They are accomplishing so much! We need more. Just like we need to know the opinion of other entertainers. You don't get to use this one any more. Really Reagan should have ended this shit, but it's really over now. Trump ended it forever. There is no more "stay in our lane" when Hollywood or sports folks decide its politics time. Actually, I'm arguing my own point. I can say it. On September 24 2017 08:39 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 08:36 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 08:15 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 08:11 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 07:58 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 07:50 Introvert wrote:
It'd be great if they both shut up. No reason for a sports team to go the White House, no reason for it to be public debate, no reason for players to talk about it, and no reason for Trump to take to twitter about it. It's tradition, I thought conservatives loved tradition?There's lots of reasons for players to talk about it, plenty of reasons for public debate and, no.... you're right, Trump shouldn't have said anything (since acknowledging and addressing the rampant abuse of PoC is off the table). I have to say the "both sides" defense is better than the grammar police, athletes shouldn't have political opinions (unless they are tom brady endorsing the president) and random rage I've seen from most conservatives. It's still grossly wrong, but better. See, when you say things like this it gives more evidence that either A) after all this time you don't know what you are talking about, or B) that you purposely ask disingenuous questions. But I know it's a bipartisan tradition, but the two realms should be kept separate and the president should not do dumb photo ops to make them seem more like celebrities. We pay professional athletes more than doctors, scientists, cops, teachers, basically all jobs but CEO's and the like. According the false meritocracy America is built on they most certainly should get a photo op with the president if they want it. These athletes are drawing attention to an incredibly serious issue, and they should be. Snowflakes like Trump need to just suck it up. That first part has nothing to do with anything. And what great attention going on about visiting the White House to protest Trump is. They are accomplishing so much! We need more. Just like we need to know the opinion of other entertainers. If you understood the first part you would see why more celebrity opinions are a forgone conclusion. You remember the president is an entertainer too right? I didn't say they were going anywhere. And yes, but he's also the elected president. And he ran for office, and he's doing things. I fail to see how the two are remotely comparably or how on earth this point is relevant to what I'm saying. I'm kind of at a loss. You lament them but, know they are going to continue/expand, but you can't grasp how the false meritocracy is related to both that trend and Republicans electing a wholly incompetent entertainer to be president? edit: hemming and hawing about White House visits doesn't draw attention to anything besides their own useless signaling about their part of the resistance It's got more people speaking out and displaying their discontent. So I completely disagree with your interpretation. Well if we really wanted to dig into this we'd examine "false meritocracy." It has a bunch of rich superstars bringing politics into an apolitical arena. It helps nothing. But you've had this explained to you on other issues. You don't see how this could possibly backfire? Steph Curry debating the White House visit did nothing but polarize people. Excellent work everyone. No, I get that some people have a really hard time being confronted with their support of America's white supremacist culture and think that reacting to people demanding their rights by saying "they hurt my feelings so they don't deserve them" is some sort acceptable behavior absolving them of their bigotry and inaction. I just think it's an idiotic position to try to hold.
Ah, this again. The only people who don't want their sports viewing imbued with politics are fragile white people. Commendable position.
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We have a reality show entertainer with exactly zero policy or government or even law experience as President. Any and all policy commentary from entertainers is now valid forever as a consequence of DJT's election. All complaining about entertainers doing commentary by Trumpkins, trumpspinners, and trump voters is now and forever laughably hypocritical.
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On September 24 2017 08:52 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2017 08:51 KwarK wrote:On September 24 2017 08:36 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 08:15 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 08:11 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 07:58 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 07:50 Introvert wrote:
It'd be great if they both shut up. No reason for a sports team to go the White House, no reason for it to be public debate, no reason for players to talk about it, and no reason for Trump to take to twitter about it. It's tradition, I thought conservatives loved tradition?There's lots of reasons for players to talk about it, plenty of reasons for public debate and, no.... you're right, Trump shouldn't have said anything (since acknowledging and addressing the rampant abuse of PoC is off the table). I have to say the "both sides" defense is better than the grammar police, athletes shouldn't have political opinions (unless they are tom brady endorsing the president) and random rage I've seen from most conservatives. It's still grossly wrong, but better. See, when you say things like this it gives more evidence that either A) after all this time you don't know what you are talking about, or B) that you purposely ask disingenuous questions. But I know it's a bipartisan tradition, but the two realms should be kept separate and the president should not do dumb photo ops to make them seem more like celebrities. We pay professional athletes more than doctors, scientists, cops, teachers, basically all jobs but CEO's and the like. According the false meritocracy America is built on they most certainly should get a photo op with the president if they want it. These athletes are drawing attention to an incredibly serious issue, and they should be. Snowflakes like Trump need to just suck it up. That first part has nothing to do with anything. And what great attention going on about visiting the White House to protest Trump is. They are accomplishing so much! We need more. Just like we need to know the opinion of other entertainers. Edit: + Show Spoiler + Civil rights activists have been told they're being divisive and that they need to be quiet and support unity since before the Civil War and the end of slavery. I think they're aware that civil rights is a divisive issue. They just think it shouldn't be. Then they can do so on private time. They aren't fighting an injustice within the NBA.
Or, they can express themselves whenever the hell they like because they're constitutionally guaranteed that right. And if the NBA wants to respond, they can.
Additionally it's more patriotic to fight for a closer realization of the promise offered by the American constitution for all American citizens than to blindly respect a flag.
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On September 24 2017 08:59 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2017 08:56 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 08:52 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 08:45 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 08:42 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 08:38 Plansix wrote:On September 24 2017 08:36 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 08:15 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 08:11 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 07:58 GreenHorizons wrote:
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It's tradition, I thought conservatives loved tradition?
There's lots of reasons for players to talk about it, plenty of reasons for public debate and, no.... you're right, Trump shouldn't have said anything (since acknowledging and addressing the rampant abuse of PoC is off the table).
I have to say the "both sides" defense is better than the grammar police, athletes shouldn't have political opinions (unless they are tom brady endorsing the president) and random rage I've seen from most conservatives.
It's still grossly wrong, but better. See, when you say things like this it gives more evidence that either A) after all this time you don't know what you are talking about, or B) that you purposely ask disingenuous questions. But I know it's a bipartisan tradition, but the two realms should be kept separate and the president should not do dumb photo ops to make them seem more like celebrities. We pay professional athletes more than doctors, scientists, cops, teachers, basically all jobs but CEO's and the like. According the false meritocracy America is built on they most certainly should get a photo op with the president if they want it. These athletes are drawing attention to an incredibly serious issue, and they should be. Snowflakes like Trump need to just suck it up. That first part has nothing to do with anything. And what great attention going on about visiting the White House to protest Trump is. They are accomplishing so much! We need more. Just like we need to know the opinion of other entertainers. You don't get to use this one any more. Really Reagan should have ended this shit, but it's really over now. Trump ended it forever. There is no more "stay in our lane" when Hollywood or sports folks decide its politics time. Actually, I'm arguing my own point. I can say it. On September 24 2017 08:39 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 08:36 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 08:15 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 08:11 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 07:58 GreenHorizons wrote:
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It's tradition, I thought conservatives loved tradition?
There's lots of reasons for players to talk about it, plenty of reasons for public debate and, no.... you're right, Trump shouldn't have said anything (since acknowledging and addressing the rampant abuse of PoC is off the table).
I have to say the "both sides" defense is better than the grammar police, athletes shouldn't have political opinions (unless they are tom brady endorsing the president) and random rage I've seen from most conservatives.
It's still grossly wrong, but better. See, when you say things like this it gives more evidence that either A) after all this time you don't know what you are talking about, or B) that you purposely ask disingenuous questions. But I know it's a bipartisan tradition, but the two realms should be kept separate and the president should not do dumb photo ops to make them seem more like celebrities. We pay professional athletes more than doctors, scientists, cops, teachers, basically all jobs but CEO's and the like. According the false meritocracy America is built on they most certainly should get a photo op with the president if they want it. These athletes are drawing attention to an incredibly serious issue, and they should be. Snowflakes like Trump need to just suck it up. That first part has nothing to do with anything. And what great attention going on about visiting the White House to protest Trump is. They are accomplishing so much! We need more. Just like we need to know the opinion of other entertainers. If you understood the first part you would see why more celebrity opinions are a forgone conclusion. You remember the president is an entertainer too right? I didn't say they were going anywhere. And yes, but he's also the elected president. And he ran for office, and he's doing things. I fail to see how the two are remotely comparably or how on earth this point is relevant to what I'm saying. I'm kind of at a loss. You lament them but, know they are going to continue/expand, but you can't grasp how the false meritocracy is related to both that trend and Republicans electing a wholly incompetent entertainer to be president? edit: hemming and hawing about White House visits doesn't draw attention to anything besides their own useless signaling about their part of the resistance It's got more people speaking out and displaying their discontent. So I completely disagree with your interpretation. Well if we really wanted to dig into this we'd examine "false meritocracy." It has a bunch of rich superstars bringing politics into an apolitical arena. It helps nothing. But you've had this explained to you on other issues. You don't see how this could possibly backfire? Steph Curry debating the White House visit did nothing but polarize people. Excellent work everyone. No, I get that some people have a really hard time being confronted with their support of America's white supremacist culture and think that reacting to people demanding their rights by saying "they hurt my feelings so they don't deserve them" is some sort acceptable behavior absolving them of their bigotry and inaction. I just think it's an idiotic position to try to hold. Ah, this again. The only people who don't want their sports viewing imbued with politics are fragile white people. Commendable position.
It's not quite right, but I'd say far more commendable than "stop interrupting my sports with drawing attention to massive and systemic violations of PoC's constitutional rights!"
I mean it's a pretty disgusting position imo.
On September 24 2017 09:05 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2017 08:59 Introvert wrote:...
Ah, this again. The only people who don't want their sports viewing imbued with politics are fragile white people. Commendable position. I would say "most of the people who will make a fuss about their sports viewing imbued with (a fairly small amount of) politics is people who disagree with whatever politics is being imbued". Which in this case happens to mostly be fragile white people I guess.
yup
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On September 24 2017 08:59 Introvert wrote:...
Ah, this again. The only people who don't want their sports viewing imbued with politics are fragile white people. Commendable position.
I would say "most of the people who will make a fuss about their sports viewing imbued with (a fairly small amount of) politics is people who disagree with whatever politics is being imbued". Which in this case happens to mostly be fragile white people I guess.
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On September 24 2017 09:01 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2017 08:52 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 08:51 KwarK wrote:On September 24 2017 08:36 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 08:15 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 08:11 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 07:58 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 07:50 Introvert wrote:
It'd be great if they both shut up. No reason for a sports team to go the White House, no reason for it to be public debate, no reason for players to talk about it, and no reason for Trump to take to twitter about it. It's tradition, I thought conservatives loved tradition?There's lots of reasons for players to talk about it, plenty of reasons for public debate and, no.... you're right, Trump shouldn't have said anything (since acknowledging and addressing the rampant abuse of PoC is off the table). I have to say the "both sides" defense is better than the grammar police, athletes shouldn't have political opinions (unless they are tom brady endorsing the president) and random rage I've seen from most conservatives. It's still grossly wrong, but better. See, when you say things like this it gives more evidence that either A) after all this time you don't know what you are talking about, or B) that you purposely ask disingenuous questions. But I know it's a bipartisan tradition, but the two realms should be kept separate and the president should not do dumb photo ops to make them seem more like celebrities. We pay professional athletes more than doctors, scientists, cops, teachers, basically all jobs but CEO's and the like. According the false meritocracy America is built on they most certainly should get a photo op with the president if they want it. These athletes are drawing attention to an incredibly serious issue, and they should be. Snowflakes like Trump need to just suck it up. That first part has nothing to do with anything. And what great attention going on about visiting the White House to protest Trump is. They are accomplishing so much! We need more. Just like we need to know the opinion of other entertainers. Edit: + Show Spoiler + Civil rights activists have been told they're being divisive and that they need to be quiet and support unity since before the Civil War and the end of slavery. I think they're aware that civil rights is a divisive issue. They just think it shouldn't be. Then they can do so on private time. They aren't fighting an injustice within the NBA. Or, they can express themselves whenever the hell they like because they're constitutionally guaranteed that right. And if the NBA wants to respond, they can. Additionally it's more patriotic to fight for a closer realization of the promise offered by the American constitution for all American citizens than to blindly respect a flag.
As the right has said and the left is fond of reminding us recently, private organizations can fire you.
Actually, it's more patriotic and better for the nation if we can hold onto the few remaining unifying things we have in apolitical arenas. If Curry wants to go out there and make a cause of police violence against black people during the off season I really couldn't care less. But it is not helpful to wobble over (admittedly dumb) things like White House visits.
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On September 24 2017 08:59 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2017 08:56 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 08:52 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 08:45 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 08:42 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 08:38 Plansix wrote:On September 24 2017 08:36 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 08:15 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 08:11 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 07:58 GreenHorizons wrote:
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It's tradition, I thought conservatives loved tradition?
There's lots of reasons for players to talk about it, plenty of reasons for public debate and, no.... you're right, Trump shouldn't have said anything (since acknowledging and addressing the rampant abuse of PoC is off the table).
I have to say the "both sides" defense is better than the grammar police, athletes shouldn't have political opinions (unless they are tom brady endorsing the president) and random rage I've seen from most conservatives.
It's still grossly wrong, but better. See, when you say things like this it gives more evidence that either A) after all this time you don't know what you are talking about, or B) that you purposely ask disingenuous questions. But I know it's a bipartisan tradition, but the two realms should be kept separate and the president should not do dumb photo ops to make them seem more like celebrities. We pay professional athletes more than doctors, scientists, cops, teachers, basically all jobs but CEO's and the like. According the false meritocracy America is built on they most certainly should get a photo op with the president if they want it. These athletes are drawing attention to an incredibly serious issue, and they should be. Snowflakes like Trump need to just suck it up. That first part has nothing to do with anything. And what great attention going on about visiting the White House to protest Trump is. They are accomplishing so much! We need more. Just like we need to know the opinion of other entertainers. You don't get to use this one any more. Really Reagan should have ended this shit, but it's really over now. Trump ended it forever. There is no more "stay in our lane" when Hollywood or sports folks decide its politics time. Actually, I'm arguing my own point. I can say it. On September 24 2017 08:39 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 08:36 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 08:15 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 08:11 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 07:58 GreenHorizons wrote:
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It's tradition, I thought conservatives loved tradition?
There's lots of reasons for players to talk about it, plenty of reasons for public debate and, no.... you're right, Trump shouldn't have said anything (since acknowledging and addressing the rampant abuse of PoC is off the table).
I have to say the "both sides" defense is better than the grammar police, athletes shouldn't have political opinions (unless they are tom brady endorsing the president) and random rage I've seen from most conservatives.
It's still grossly wrong, but better. See, when you say things like this it gives more evidence that either A) after all this time you don't know what you are talking about, or B) that you purposely ask disingenuous questions. But I know it's a bipartisan tradition, but the two realms should be kept separate and the president should not do dumb photo ops to make them seem more like celebrities. We pay professional athletes more than doctors, scientists, cops, teachers, basically all jobs but CEO's and the like. According the false meritocracy America is built on they most certainly should get a photo op with the president if they want it. These athletes are drawing attention to an incredibly serious issue, and they should be. Snowflakes like Trump need to just suck it up. That first part has nothing to do with anything. And what great attention going on about visiting the White House to protest Trump is. They are accomplishing so much! We need more. Just like we need to know the opinion of other entertainers. If you understood the first part you would see why more celebrity opinions are a forgone conclusion. You remember the president is an entertainer too right? I didn't say they were going anywhere. And yes, but he's also the elected president. And he ran for office, and he's doing things. I fail to see how the two are remotely comparably or how on earth this point is relevant to what I'm saying. I'm kind of at a loss. You lament them but, know they are going to continue/expand, but you can't grasp how the false meritocracy is related to both that trend and Republicans electing a wholly incompetent entertainer to be president? edit: hemming and hawing about White House visits doesn't draw attention to anything besides their own useless signaling about their part of the resistance It's got more people speaking out and displaying their discontent. So I completely disagree with your interpretation. Well if we really wanted to dig into this we'd examine "false meritocracy." It has a bunch of rich superstars bringing politics into an apolitical arena. It helps nothing. But you've had this explained to you on other issues. You don't see how this could possibly backfire? Steph Curry debating the White House visit did nothing but polarize people. Excellent work everyone. No, I get that some people have a really hard time being confronted with their support of America's white supremacist culture and think that reacting to people demanding their rights by saying "they hurt my feelings so they don't deserve them" is some sort acceptable behavior absolving them of their bigotry and inaction. I just think it's an idiotic position to try to hold. Ah, this again. The only people who don't want their sports viewing imbued with politics are fragile white people. Commendable position.
It's kinda like saying "well, I don't have a problem with gay people, I just wish they did it on their own time, and didn't put it in my face all the time". They're not. They're just trying to get the same basic respect and rights that you do.
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'Soldiers died for this flag and freedom. So don't you go use that freedom to protest or have a dissenting opinion now you son of a bitch.Shouldve taken a torch and a nice facist flag like many good people would instead'
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On September 24 2017 08:52 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2017 08:45 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 08:42 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 08:38 Plansix wrote:On September 24 2017 08:36 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 08:15 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 08:11 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 07:58 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 07:50 Introvert wrote:
It'd be great if they both shut up. No reason for a sports team to go the White House, no reason for it to be public debate, no reason for players to talk about it, and no reason for Trump to take to twitter about it. It's tradition, I thought conservatives loved tradition?There's lots of reasons for players to talk about it, plenty of reasons for public debate and, no.... you're right, Trump shouldn't have said anything (since acknowledging and addressing the rampant abuse of PoC is off the table). I have to say the "both sides" defense is better than the grammar police, athletes shouldn't have political opinions (unless they are tom brady endorsing the president) and random rage I've seen from most conservatives. It's still grossly wrong, but better. See, when you say things like this it gives more evidence that either A) after all this time you don't know what you are talking about, or B) that you purposely ask disingenuous questions. But I know it's a bipartisan tradition, but the two realms should be kept separate and the president should not do dumb photo ops to make them seem more like celebrities. We pay professional athletes more than doctors, scientists, cops, teachers, basically all jobs but CEO's and the like. According the false meritocracy America is built on they most certainly should get a photo op with the president if they want it. These athletes are drawing attention to an incredibly serious issue, and they should be. Snowflakes like Trump need to just suck it up. That first part has nothing to do with anything. And what great attention going on about visiting the White House to protest Trump is. They are accomplishing so much! We need more. Just like we need to know the opinion of other entertainers. You don't get to use this one any more. Really Reagan should have ended this shit, but it's really over now. Trump ended it forever. There is no more "stay in our lane" when Hollywood or sports folks decide its politics time. Actually, I'm arguing my own point. I can say it. On September 24 2017 08:39 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 08:36 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 08:15 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 08:11 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 07:58 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 07:50 Introvert wrote:
It'd be great if they both shut up. No reason for a sports team to go the White House, no reason for it to be public debate, no reason for players to talk about it, and no reason for Trump to take to twitter about it. It's tradition, I thought conservatives loved tradition?There's lots of reasons for players to talk about it, plenty of reasons for public debate and, no.... you're right, Trump shouldn't have said anything (since acknowledging and addressing the rampant abuse of PoC is off the table). I have to say the "both sides" defense is better than the grammar police, athletes shouldn't have political opinions (unless they are tom brady endorsing the president) and random rage I've seen from most conservatives. It's still grossly wrong, but better. See, when you say things like this it gives more evidence that either A) after all this time you don't know what you are talking about, or B) that you purposely ask disingenuous questions. But I know it's a bipartisan tradition, but the two realms should be kept separate and the president should not do dumb photo ops to make them seem more like celebrities. We pay professional athletes more than doctors, scientists, cops, teachers, basically all jobs but CEO's and the like. According the false meritocracy America is built on they most certainly should get a photo op with the president if they want it. These athletes are drawing attention to an incredibly serious issue, and they should be. Snowflakes like Trump need to just suck it up. That first part has nothing to do with anything. And what great attention going on about visiting the White House to protest Trump is. They are accomplishing so much! We need more. Just like we need to know the opinion of other entertainers. If you understood the first part you would see why more celebrity opinions are a forgone conclusion. You remember the president is an entertainer too right? I didn't say they were going anywhere. And yes, but he's also the elected president. And he ran for office, and he's doing things. I fail to see how the two are remotely comparably or how on earth this point is relevant to what I'm saying. I'm kind of at a loss. You lament them but, know they are going to continue/expand, but you can't grasp how the false meritocracy is related to both that trend and Republicans electing a wholly incompetent entertainer to be president? edit: hemming and hawing about White House visits doesn't draw attention to anything besides their own useless signaling about their part of the resistance It's got more people speaking out and displaying their discontent. So I completely disagree with your interpretation. Well if we really wanted to dig into this we'd examine "false meritocracy." It has a bunch of rich superstars bringing politics into an apolitical arena. It helps nothing. But you've had this explained to you on other issues. You don't see how this could possibly backfire? Steph Curry debating the White House visit did nothing but polarize people. Excellent work everyone. Show nested quote +On September 24 2017 08:51 KwarK wrote:On September 24 2017 08:36 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 08:15 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 08:11 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 07:58 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 07:50 Introvert wrote:
It'd be great if they both shut up. No reason for a sports team to go the White House, no reason for it to be public debate, no reason for players to talk about it, and no reason for Trump to take to twitter about it. It's tradition, I thought conservatives loved tradition?There's lots of reasons for players to talk about it, plenty of reasons for public debate and, no.... you're right, Trump shouldn't have said anything (since acknowledging and addressing the rampant abuse of PoC is off the table). I have to say the "both sides" defense is better than the grammar police, athletes shouldn't have political opinions (unless they are tom brady endorsing the president) and random rage I've seen from most conservatives. It's still grossly wrong, but better. See, when you say things like this it gives more evidence that either A) after all this time you don't know what you are talking about, or B) that you purposely ask disingenuous questions. But I know it's a bipartisan tradition, but the two realms should be kept separate and the president should not do dumb photo ops to make them seem more like celebrities. We pay professional athletes more than doctors, scientists, cops, teachers, basically all jobs but CEO's and the like. According the false meritocracy America is built on they most certainly should get a photo op with the president if they want it. These athletes are drawing attention to an incredibly serious issue, and they should be. Snowflakes like Trump need to just suck it up. That first part has nothing to do with anything. And what great attention going on about visiting the White House to protest Trump is. They are accomplishing so much! We need more. Just like we need to know the opinion of other entertainers. Edit: + Show Spoiler + Civil rights activists have been told they're being divisive and that they need to be quiet and support unity since before the Civil War and the end of slavery. I think they're aware that civil rights is a divisive issue. They just think it shouldn't be. Then they can do so on private time. They aren't fighting an injustice within the NBA.
Are you shaming Trump for being unpresidential all the time as well? Trump's presidency is nothing but a "president" spouting his private and uninformed opinion all the time.
You sure appear to call out the sportsmen for displaying private opinions during game time.
Which by the way in my book is totally within the bounds of the sport. Sport is about fairness and applying the rules equally to everyone. And people call out when that's not the case.
Just like the few openly gay football players call out the stigma put on them to remain silent until their career is over.
Thankfully we have whole teams stepping up together this time.
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On September 24 2017 09:05 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2017 09:01 KwarK wrote:On September 24 2017 08:52 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 08:51 KwarK wrote:On September 24 2017 08:36 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 08:15 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 08:11 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 07:58 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 07:50 Introvert wrote:
It'd be great if they both shut up. No reason for a sports team to go the White House, no reason for it to be public debate, no reason for players to talk about it, and no reason for Trump to take to twitter about it. It's tradition, I thought conservatives loved tradition?There's lots of reasons for players to talk about it, plenty of reasons for public debate and, no.... you're right, Trump shouldn't have said anything (since acknowledging and addressing the rampant abuse of PoC is off the table). I have to say the "both sides" defense is better than the grammar police, athletes shouldn't have political opinions (unless they are tom brady endorsing the president) and random rage I've seen from most conservatives. It's still grossly wrong, but better. See, when you say things like this it gives more evidence that either A) after all this time you don't know what you are talking about, or B) that you purposely ask disingenuous questions. But I know it's a bipartisan tradition, but the two realms should be kept separate and the president should not do dumb photo ops to make them seem more like celebrities. We pay professional athletes more than doctors, scientists, cops, teachers, basically all jobs but CEO's and the like. According the false meritocracy America is built on they most certainly should get a photo op with the president if they want it. These athletes are drawing attention to an incredibly serious issue, and they should be. Snowflakes like Trump need to just suck it up. That first part has nothing to do with anything. And what great attention going on about visiting the White House to protest Trump is. They are accomplishing so much! We need more. Just like we need to know the opinion of other entertainers. Edit: + Show Spoiler + Civil rights activists have been told they're being divisive and that they need to be quiet and support unity since before the Civil War and the end of slavery. I think they're aware that civil rights is a divisive issue. They just think it shouldn't be. Then they can do so on private time. They aren't fighting an injustice within the NBA. Or, they can express themselves whenever the hell they like because they're constitutionally guaranteed that right. And if the NBA wants to respond, they can. Additionally it's more patriotic to fight for a closer realization of the promise offered by the American constitution for all American citizens than to blindly respect a flag. As the right has said and the left is fond of reminding us recently, private organizations can fire you. Actually, it's more patriotic and better for the nation if we can hold onto the few remaining unifying things we have in apolitical arenas. If Curry wants to go out there and make a cause of police violence against black people during the off season I really couldn't care less.
Yeah, the president saying the team should fire you is on a whole different level obviously. Like if Obama had called on google to fire that guy the right would lose their shit.
You are more oblivious than I thought if you think sports has ever been apolitical?
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For the sake of the thread I won't go down this rabbit-hole yet again (since it seems to be picking up steam) but this thought that not going to the White House (or some other political action in an apolitical area) is some grand protest instead of grandstanding to a particular, outspoken base is utterly absurd.
Edit: Ok I lied, one more thing.
On September 24 2017 09:09 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2017 09:05 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 09:01 KwarK wrote:On September 24 2017 08:52 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 08:51 KwarK wrote:On September 24 2017 08:36 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 08:15 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 08:11 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 07:58 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 07:50 Introvert wrote:
It'd be great if they both shut up. No reason for a sports team to go the White House, no reason for it to be public debate, no reason for players to talk about it, and no reason for Trump to take to twitter about it. It's tradition, I thought conservatives loved tradition?There's lots of reasons for players to talk about it, plenty of reasons for public debate and, no.... you're right, Trump shouldn't have said anything (since acknowledging and addressing the rampant abuse of PoC is off the table). I have to say the "both sides" defense is better than the grammar police, athletes shouldn't have political opinions (unless they are tom brady endorsing the president) and random rage I've seen from most conservatives. It's still grossly wrong, but better. See, when you say things like this it gives more evidence that either A) after all this time you don't know what you are talking about, or B) that you purposely ask disingenuous questions. But I know it's a bipartisan tradition, but the two realms should be kept separate and the president should not do dumb photo ops to make them seem more like celebrities. We pay professional athletes more than doctors, scientists, cops, teachers, basically all jobs but CEO's and the like. According the false meritocracy America is built on they most certainly should get a photo op with the president if they want it. These athletes are drawing attention to an incredibly serious issue, and they should be. Snowflakes like Trump need to just suck it up. That first part has nothing to do with anything. And what great attention going on about visiting the White House to protest Trump is. They are accomplishing so much! We need more. Just like we need to know the opinion of other entertainers. Edit: + Show Spoiler + Civil rights activists have been told they're being divisive and that they need to be quiet and support unity since before the Civil War and the end of slavery. I think they're aware that civil rights is a divisive issue. They just think it shouldn't be. Then they can do so on private time. They aren't fighting an injustice within the NBA. Or, they can express themselves whenever the hell they like because they're constitutionally guaranteed that right. And if the NBA wants to respond, they can. Additionally it's more patriotic to fight for a closer realization of the promise offered by the American constitution for all American citizens than to blindly respect a flag. As the right has said and the left is fond of reminding us recently, private organizations can fire you. Actually, it's more patriotic and better for the nation if we can hold onto the few remaining unifying things we have in apolitical arenas. If Curry wants to go out there and make a cause of police violence against black people during the off season I really couldn't care less. Yeah, the president saying the team should fire you is on a whole different level obviously. Like if Obama had called on google to fire that guy the right would lose their shit. You are more oblivious than I thought if you think sports has ever been apolitical?
It has been for a long time, though not always. I think you, who see this stuff everywhere, inject it where most people didn't see it. Part and parcel, as said below, is ridiculous.
On September 24 2017 09:08 Artisreal wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2017 08:52 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 08:45 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 08:42 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 08:38 Plansix wrote:On September 24 2017 08:36 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 08:15 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 08:11 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 07:58 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 07:50 Introvert wrote:
It'd be great if they both shut up. No reason for a sports team to go the White House, no reason for it to be public debate, no reason for players to talk about it, and no reason for Trump to take to twitter about it. It's tradition, I thought conservatives loved tradition?There's lots of reasons for players to talk about it, plenty of reasons for public debate and, no.... you're right, Trump shouldn't have said anything (since acknowledging and addressing the rampant abuse of PoC is off the table). I have to say the "both sides" defense is better than the grammar police, athletes shouldn't have political opinions (unless they are tom brady endorsing the president) and random rage I've seen from most conservatives. It's still grossly wrong, but better. See, when you say things like this it gives more evidence that either A) after all this time you don't know what you are talking about, or B) that you purposely ask disingenuous questions. But I know it's a bipartisan tradition, but the two realms should be kept separate and the president should not do dumb photo ops to make them seem more like celebrities. We pay professional athletes more than doctors, scientists, cops, teachers, basically all jobs but CEO's and the like. According the false meritocracy America is built on they most certainly should get a photo op with the president if they want it. These athletes are drawing attention to an incredibly serious issue, and they should be. Snowflakes like Trump need to just suck it up. That first part has nothing to do with anything. And what great attention going on about visiting the White House to protest Trump is. They are accomplishing so much! We need more. Just like we need to know the opinion of other entertainers. You don't get to use this one any more. Really Reagan should have ended this shit, but it's really over now. Trump ended it forever. There is no more "stay in our lane" when Hollywood or sports folks decide its politics time. Actually, I'm arguing my own point. I can say it. On September 24 2017 08:39 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 08:36 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 08:15 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 08:11 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 07:58 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 07:50 Introvert wrote:
It'd be great if they both shut up. No reason for a sports team to go the White House, no reason for it to be public debate, no reason for players to talk about it, and no reason for Trump to take to twitter about it. It's tradition, I thought conservatives loved tradition?There's lots of reasons for players to talk about it, plenty of reasons for public debate and, no.... you're right, Trump shouldn't have said anything (since acknowledging and addressing the rampant abuse of PoC is off the table). I have to say the "both sides" defense is better than the grammar police, athletes shouldn't have political opinions (unless they are tom brady endorsing the president) and random rage I've seen from most conservatives. It's still grossly wrong, but better. See, when you say things like this it gives more evidence that either A) after all this time you don't know what you are talking about, or B) that you purposely ask disingenuous questions. But I know it's a bipartisan tradition, but the two realms should be kept separate and the president should not do dumb photo ops to make them seem more like celebrities. We pay professional athletes more than doctors, scientists, cops, teachers, basically all jobs but CEO's and the like. According the false meritocracy America is built on they most certainly should get a photo op with the president if they want it. These athletes are drawing attention to an incredibly serious issue, and they should be. Snowflakes like Trump need to just suck it up. That first part has nothing to do with anything. And what great attention going on about visiting the White House to protest Trump is. They are accomplishing so much! We need more. Just like we need to know the opinion of other entertainers. If you understood the first part you would see why more celebrity opinions are a forgone conclusion. You remember the president is an entertainer too right? I didn't say they were going anywhere. And yes, but he's also the elected president. And he ran for office, and he's doing things. I fail to see how the two are remotely comparably or how on earth this point is relevant to what I'm saying. I'm kind of at a loss. You lament them but, know they are going to continue/expand, but you can't grasp how the false meritocracy is related to both that trend and Republicans electing a wholly incompetent entertainer to be president? edit: hemming and hawing about White House visits doesn't draw attention to anything besides their own useless signaling about their part of the resistance It's got more people speaking out and displaying their discontent. So I completely disagree with your interpretation. Well if we really wanted to dig into this we'd examine "false meritocracy." It has a bunch of rich superstars bringing politics into an apolitical arena. It helps nothing. But you've had this explained to you on other issues. You don't see how this could possibly backfire? Steph Curry debating the White House visit did nothing but polarize people. Excellent work everyone. On September 24 2017 08:51 KwarK wrote:On September 24 2017 08:36 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 08:15 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 08:11 Introvert wrote:On September 24 2017 07:58 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2017 07:50 Introvert wrote:
It'd be great if they both shut up. No reason for a sports team to go the White House, no reason for it to be public debate, no reason for players to talk about it, and no reason for Trump to take to twitter about it. It's tradition, I thought conservatives loved tradition?There's lots of reasons for players to talk about it, plenty of reasons for public debate and, no.... you're right, Trump shouldn't have said anything (since acknowledging and addressing the rampant abuse of PoC is off the table). I have to say the "both sides" defense is better than the grammar police, athletes shouldn't have political opinions (unless they are tom brady endorsing the president) and random rage I've seen from most conservatives. It's still grossly wrong, but better. See, when you say things like this it gives more evidence that either A) after all this time you don't know what you are talking about, or B) that you purposely ask disingenuous questions. But I know it's a bipartisan tradition, but the two realms should be kept separate and the president should not do dumb photo ops to make them seem more like celebrities. We pay professional athletes more than doctors, scientists, cops, teachers, basically all jobs but CEO's and the like. According the false meritocracy America is built on they most certainly should get a photo op with the president if they want it. These athletes are drawing attention to an incredibly serious issue, and they should be. Snowflakes like Trump need to just suck it up. That first part has nothing to do with anything. And what great attention going on about visiting the White House to protest Trump is. They are accomplishing so much! We need more. Just like we need to know the opinion of other entertainers. Edit: + Show Spoiler + Civil rights activists have been told they're being divisive and that they need to be quiet and support unity since before the Civil War and the end of slavery. I think they're aware that civil rights is a divisive issue. They just think it shouldn't be. Then they can do so on private time. They aren't fighting an injustice within the NBA. Are you shaming Trump for being unpresidential all the time as well? Trump's presidency is nothing but a "president" spouting his private and uninformed opinion all the time. You sure appear to call out the sportsmen for displaying private opinions during game time. Which by the way in my book is totally within the bounds of the sport. Sport is about fairness and applying the rules equally to everyone. And people call out when that's not the case. Just like the few openly gay football players call out the stigma put on them to remain silent until their career is over. Thankfully we have whole teams stepping up together this time.
Uh, I've criticized Trump's behavior A LOT. So I don't see how either of you saying that means jack all to me. In fact, I did so multiple times in this discussion. FFS.
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Politics have ALWAYS been part and parcel with sports. If you've got a problem with that its time to stop watching sports.
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On September 24 2017 09:10 Introvert wrote:
For the sake of the thread I won't go down this rabbit-hole yet again (since it seems to be picking up steam) but this thought that not going to the White House (or some other political action in an apolitical area) is some grand protest instead of grandstanding to a particular, outspoken base is utterly absurd.
A lot of protests are just grandstanding. What's your point?
If you were complaining about somebody making a political statement during coverage of a game then maybe I can see an argument that that is an "apolitical area". This White House visit doesn't have much of anything to do with the game itself. It was never uniting anybody in the first place.
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