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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23442 Posts
On September 24 2017 07:50 Introvert wrote: It'd be great if they both shut up. No reason for a sports team to go the White House, no reason for it to be public debate, no reason for players to talk about it, and no reason for Trump to take to twitter about it. It's tradition, I thought conservatives loved tradition? There's lots of reasons for players to talk about it, plenty of reasons for public debate and, no.... you're right, Trump shouldn't have said anything (since acknowledging and addressing the rampant abuse of PoC is off the table). I have to say the "both sides" defense is better than the grammar police, athletes shouldn't have political opinions (unless they are tom brady endorsing the president) and random rage I've seen from most conservatives. It's still grossly wrong, but better. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On September 24 2017 07:51 NeoIllusions wrote: I think xDaunt's indignation with the Warriors is why a lot of readers in this thread go, "oh, so that's what really gets him incensed. People with the audacity to openly and publicly shun the president. How dare they." I really don't care whether the Warriors or anyone else attacks the president. It's their right. However, what I do object to is this idea that there should be no repercussions. If you invite someone to dinner at your house, and after issuing that invitation, that person goes out and publicly calls you a cunt multiple times, I would fully expect you to cancel the invitation. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23442 Posts
On September 24 2017 07:59 xDaunt wrote: I really don't care whether the Warriors or anyone else attacks the president. It's their right. However, what I do object to is this idea that there should be no repercussions. If you invite someone to dinner at your house, and after issuing that invitation, that person goes out and publicly calls you a cunt multiple times, I would fully expect you to cancel the invitation. Yeah, cancel it. It's a petty childish moron (remember he's president not just some guy with an opinion) who posts it on facebook (or twitter in Trump's case) to amplify the drama. Trump is an asshole who doesn't respect the rights of people who look like those invited to the whitehouse, of course they wouldn't go. He shouldn't' be surprised or petulant about it (nor should anyone on the right). | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
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Introvert
United States4851 Posts
On September 24 2017 07:58 GreenHorizons wrote: It's tradition, I thought conservatives loved tradition? There's lots of reasons for players to talk about it, plenty of reasons for public debate and, no.... you're right, Trump shouldn't have said anything (since acknowledging and addressing the rampant abuse of PoC is off the table). I have to say the "both sides" defense is better than the grammar police, athletes shouldn't have political opinions (unless they are tom brady endorsing the president) and random rage I've seen from most conservatives. It's still grossly wrong, but better. See, when you say things like this it gives more evidence that either A) after all this time you don't know what you are talking about, or B) that you purposely ask disingenuous questions. But I know it's a bipartisan tradition, but the two realms should be kept separate and the president should not do dumb photo ops to make them seem more like celebrities. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23442 Posts
On September 24 2017 08:11 Introvert wrote: See, when you say things like this it gives more evidence that either A) after all this time you don't know what you are talking about, or B) that you purposely ask disingenuous questions. But I know it's a bipartisan tradition, but the two realms should be kept separate and the president should not do dumb photo ops to make them seem more like celebrities. We pay professional athletes more than doctors, scientists, cops, teachers, basically all jobs but CEO's and the like. According the false meritocracy America is built on they most certainly should get a photo op with the president if they want it. These athletes are drawing attention to an incredibly serious issue, and they should be. Snowflakes like Trump need to just suck it up. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7376 Posts
Its not a huge deal either way, but especially with the rise of the Orange Man Obsessed with Popularity and Ratings I'm less comfortable with these sorts of things. | ||
KwarK
United States43189 Posts
On September 24 2017 07:59 xDaunt wrote: I really don't care whether the Warriors or anyone else attacks the president. It's their right. However, what I do object to is this idea that there should be no repercussions. If you invite someone to dinner at your house, and after issuing that invitation, that person goes out and publicly calls you a cunt multiple times, I would fully expect you to cancel the invitation. You'd expect me to cancel the invitation on twitter? Either way though, it's yet another example of the discrepancy between what the right say they believe in and when they chose to apply those beliefs. Another example that it's not really about those beliefs at all. If you're marching as part of a literal neo-Nazi rally, well, certainly we don't approve but we must recognize that it is their right to do so and a lot of them are very fine people who just happen to be part of a neo-Nazi rally. But if you're declining an invitation to be politicized by someone who shows contempt for you, well, fuck you and your politics, you should keep that to yourself. It's the same problem as always. Beliefs which are on the surface neutral, such as support for constitutionally granted acts of expression, getting invoked on the far side of a very biased filter. And whenever you call people out on the filter they try to twist your attack onto the belief itself which was never the objection. | ||
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RealityIsKing
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This shows transparency. | ||
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KwarK
United States43189 Posts
On September 24 2017 08:20 RealityIsKing wrote: I actually appreciate Trump fully taking advantage of twitter to express his thoughts. This shows transparency. So does shitting with the door open. Most people don't want that much transparency. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44987 Posts
On September 24 2017 07:59 xDaunt wrote: I really don't care whether the Warriors or anyone else attacks the president. It's their right. However, what I do object to is this idea that there should be no repercussions. If you invite someone to dinner at your house, and after issuing that invitation, that person goes out and publicly calls you a cunt multiple times, I would fully expect you to cancel the invitation. You mean if a guy invites you over for dinner while calling you and everyone you love names, you aren't allowed to tell him to fuck off? | ||
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44987 Posts
On September 24 2017 08:20 RealityIsKing wrote: I actually appreciate Trump fully taking advantage of twitter to express his thoughts. This shows transparency. His press secretaries should be transparent with actual news and they're not. His crybabying on social media is not the kind of transparency we need. | ||
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
On September 24 2017 08:20 RealityIsKing wrote: I actually appreciate Trump fully taking advantage of twitter to express his thoughts. This shows transparency. I'd rather see the mar a lago visitor logs | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 24 2017 08:20 RealityIsKing wrote: I actually appreciate Trump fully taking advantage of twitter to express his thoughts. This shows transparency. Still waiting for those taxes, though. | ||
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Introvert
United States4851 Posts
On September 24 2017 08:15 GreenHorizons wrote: We pay professional athletes more than doctors, scientists, cops, teachers, basically all jobs but CEO's and the like. According the false meritocracy America is built on they most certainly should get a photo op with the president if they want it. These athletes are drawing attention to an incredibly serious issue, and they should be. Snowflakes like Trump need to just suck it up. That first part has nothing to do with anything. And what great attention going on about visiting the White House to protest Trump is. They are accomplishing so much! We need more. Just like we need to know the opinion of other entertainers. Edit: + Show Spoiler + Although as far as I'm aware the NFL doesn't have to allow the players to protest, either. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 24 2017 08:36 Introvert wrote: That first part has nothing to do with anything. And what great attention going on about visiting the White House to protest Trump is. They are accomplishing so much! We need more. Just like we need to know the opinion of other entertainers. You don't get to use this one any more. Really Reagan should have ended this shit, but it's really over now. Trump ended it forever. There is no more "stay in our lane" when Hollywood or sports folks decide its politics time. | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32742 Posts
On September 24 2017 08:20 RealityIsKing wrote: I actually appreciate Trump fully taking advantage of twitter to express his thoughts. This shows transparency. When people talk of transparency in a president, I could think of many things that could be revealed. Business ties, tax records, extramarital affairs, the like. What I don't expect from a seat of power as the head of the United States and the magnanimous position you expect from it, is lashing out on Twitter about cancelling an invitation for a Sweet 16 party because Stacy talked shit at school. | ||
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