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On August 16 2017 05:00 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2017 04:55 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 16 2017 04:45 xDaunt wrote:On August 16 2017 04:12 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 16 2017 00:12 xDaunt wrote:On August 16 2017 00:07 Mohdoo wrote:On August 16 2017 00:06 xDaunt wrote:
There's a big difference between a self-avowed Islamic terrorist blowing people up and Obama refusing to call that person an Islamic terrorist and Trump equivocating between Nazi and Antifa factions who are both engaged in bad behavior at what would be an otherwise lawful event (permitting aside). Why are you pretending "bad behavior" has no measure to it? Do you consider Nazis and Antifa morally equivalent? You're asking the wrong questions. Nazis are assholes, but that doesn't mean that they don't have civil rights. They get to organize and hold rallies just like everyone else. So if we put content aside, and look at the behavior of the Nazis and Antifa at the rally, it becomes pretty easy to see the equivalence. Both were looking to start shit, so shit got started. lol, why am I not surprised to see you defending Nazi civil rights more vociferously than the black people who have theirs systemically violated every day? Lol, please. We all know that you'd go apeshit if some mayor tried to yank the permit for some black rights group that wanted to host a demonstration or otherwise tried to clamp down on the group's free speech rights. Your problem (and the general problem with the Left) is that you've lost perspective on what "equal protection under the law" means. That you equate the two says more than I think you intended. So I guess that you think that ACLU is pro-Nazi, too? Give it a rest. A few weeks ago, people were asking me about how and why certain aspects of Western culture were under attack. Well, we are witnessing a good example right now. The rule of law is a fundamental aspect of Western culture, and people on the left like GH are all too eager to throw that concept overboard just to reach what they perceive to be a just result. As I have harped on repeatedly around here, process matters. How we get to a certain result often matters as much, if not more, than the result itself.
I'm pretty sure most people active in the threads here are in favour of the rule of law and don't have a lot of sympathy for carrying politics to the streets
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On August 16 2017 05:00 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2017 04:55 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 16 2017 04:45 xDaunt wrote:On August 16 2017 04:12 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 16 2017 00:12 xDaunt wrote:On August 16 2017 00:07 Mohdoo wrote:On August 16 2017 00:06 xDaunt wrote:
There's a big difference between a self-avowed Islamic terrorist blowing people up and Obama refusing to call that person an Islamic terrorist and Trump equivocating between Nazi and Antifa factions who are both engaged in bad behavior at what would be an otherwise lawful event (permitting aside). Why are you pretending "bad behavior" has no measure to it? Do you consider Nazis and Antifa morally equivalent? You're asking the wrong questions. Nazis are assholes, but that doesn't mean that they don't have civil rights. They get to organize and hold rallies just like everyone else. So if we put content aside, and look at the behavior of the Nazis and Antifa at the rally, it becomes pretty easy to see the equivalence. Both were looking to start shit, so shit got started. lol, why am I not surprised to see you defending Nazi civil rights more vociferously than the black people who have theirs systemically violated every day? Lol, please. We all know that you'd go apeshit if some mayor tried to yank the permit for some black rights group that wanted to host a demonstration or otherwise tried to clamp down on the group's free speech rights. Your problem (and the general problem with the Left) is that you've lost perspective on what "equal protection under the law" means. That you equate the two says more than I think you intended. So I guess that you think that ACLU is pro-Nazi, too? Give it a rest. A few weeks ago, people were asking me about how and why certain aspects of Western culture were under attack. Well, we are witnessing a good example right now. The rule of law is a fundamental aspect of Western culture, and people on the left like GH are all too eager to throw that concept overboard just to reach what they perceive to be a just result. As I have harped on repeatedly around here, process matters. How we get to a certain result often matters as much, if not more, than the result itself.
aclu isn't pro-nazi, and you aren't; but you're not really in a good position to be equivocating, they are.
that you make a comparison between two very different degrees of protestors does say something about you; and you well know it's improper argumentation and you use it specifically to rile people up.
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On August 16 2017 05:00 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2017 04:53 xDaunt wrote:On August 16 2017 04:50 Plansix wrote:On August 16 2017 04:45 xDaunt wrote:On August 16 2017 04:12 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 16 2017 00:12 xDaunt wrote:On August 16 2017 00:07 Mohdoo wrote:On August 16 2017 00:06 xDaunt wrote:
There's a big difference between a self-avowed Islamic terrorist blowing people up and Obama refusing to call that person an Islamic terrorist and Trump equivocating between Nazi and Antifa factions who are both engaged in bad behavior at what would be an otherwise lawful event (permitting aside). Why are you pretending "bad behavior" has no measure to it? Do you consider Nazis and Antifa morally equivalent? You're asking the wrong questions. Nazis are assholes, but that doesn't mean that they don't have civil rights. They get to organize and hold rallies just like everyone else. So if we put content aside, and look at the behavior of the Nazis and Antifa at the rally, it becomes pretty easy to see the equivalence. Both were looking to start shit, so shit got started. lol, why am I not surprised to see you defending Nazi civil rights more vociferously than the black people who have theirs systemically violated every day? Lol, please. We all know that you'd go apeshit if some mayor tried to yank the permit for some black rights group that wanted to host a demonstration or otherwise tried to clamp down on the group's free speech rights. Your problem (and the general problem with the Left) is that you've lost perspective on what "equal protection under the law" means. Can you post the story showing the mayor attempted to yank the permit? He said in an interview with NPR that he tried to have the venue moved because he had safety concerns given the nature of the protest. I've seen no evidence of him trying to stop the rally altogether. I would think that y'all on the left would be able to show a better grasp of the concept of "pretext" than this. There's a reason why a federal court judge ruled in favor of the Nazis. So he did not try to yank the permit, as much as change the venue? I’ve engaged in the endless debates about voter ID laws and backed up my claims of pretext with some well researched evidence, to prove they were efforts to suppress the vote. If you are going to make the claim that was an effort to suppress them, show how you came to that conclusion.
When you say changing the venue, what you mean is that they "yanked the permit for the original venue." It was revoked. Period. That was the subject of the lawsuit. The judge enjoined the city from revoking the permit. This isn't hard to understand. The funny part (which I didn't know until reading the order) is that the city did not revoke the permits for the counter protests.
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On August 16 2017 05:06 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2017 05:00 xDaunt wrote:On August 16 2017 04:55 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 16 2017 04:45 xDaunt wrote:On August 16 2017 04:12 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 16 2017 00:12 xDaunt wrote:On August 16 2017 00:07 Mohdoo wrote:On August 16 2017 00:06 xDaunt wrote:
There's a big difference between a self-avowed Islamic terrorist blowing people up and Obama refusing to call that person an Islamic terrorist and Trump equivocating between Nazi and Antifa factions who are both engaged in bad behavior at what would be an otherwise lawful event (permitting aside). Why are you pretending "bad behavior" has no measure to it? Do you consider Nazis and Antifa morally equivalent? You're asking the wrong questions. Nazis are assholes, but that doesn't mean that they don't have civil rights. They get to organize and hold rallies just like everyone else. So if we put content aside, and look at the behavior of the Nazis and Antifa at the rally, it becomes pretty easy to see the equivalence. Both were looking to start shit, so shit got started. lol, why am I not surprised to see you defending Nazi civil rights more vociferously than the black people who have theirs systemically violated every day? Lol, please. We all know that you'd go apeshit if some mayor tried to yank the permit for some black rights group that wanted to host a demonstration or otherwise tried to clamp down on the group's free speech rights. Your problem (and the general problem with the Left) is that you've lost perspective on what "equal protection under the law" means. That you equate the two says more than I think you intended. So I guess that you think that ACLU is pro-Nazi, too? Give it a rest. A few weeks ago, people were asking me about how and why certain aspects of Western culture were under attack. Well, we are witnessing a good example right now. The rule of law is a fundamental aspect of Western culture, and people on the left like GH are all too eager to throw that concept overboard just to reach what they perceive to be a just result. As I have harped on repeatedly around here, process matters. How we get to a certain result often matters as much, if not more, than the result itself. I'm pretty sure most people active in the threads here are in favour of the rule of law and don't have a lot of sympathy for carrying politics to the streets
Oh really? Should we revisit the thread's reaction when I dared criticize the BLM people who rioted and destroyed property?
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On August 16 2017 05:09 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2017 05:06 Nyxisto wrote:On August 16 2017 05:00 xDaunt wrote:On August 16 2017 04:55 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 16 2017 04:45 xDaunt wrote:On August 16 2017 04:12 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 16 2017 00:12 xDaunt wrote:On August 16 2017 00:07 Mohdoo wrote:On August 16 2017 00:06 xDaunt wrote:
There's a big difference between a self-avowed Islamic terrorist blowing people up and Obama refusing to call that person an Islamic terrorist and Trump equivocating between Nazi and Antifa factions who are both engaged in bad behavior at what would be an otherwise lawful event (permitting aside). Why are you pretending "bad behavior" has no measure to it? Do you consider Nazis and Antifa morally equivalent? You're asking the wrong questions. Nazis are assholes, but that doesn't mean that they don't have civil rights. They get to organize and hold rallies just like everyone else. So if we put content aside, and look at the behavior of the Nazis and Antifa at the rally, it becomes pretty easy to see the equivalence. Both were looking to start shit, so shit got started. lol, why am I not surprised to see you defending Nazi civil rights more vociferously than the black people who have theirs systemically violated every day? Lol, please. We all know that you'd go apeshit if some mayor tried to yank the permit for some black rights group that wanted to host a demonstration or otherwise tried to clamp down on the group's free speech rights. Your problem (and the general problem with the Left) is that you've lost perspective on what "equal protection under the law" means. That you equate the two says more than I think you intended. So I guess that you think that ACLU is pro-Nazi, too? Give it a rest. A few weeks ago, people were asking me about how and why certain aspects of Western culture were under attack. Well, we are witnessing a good example right now. The rule of law is a fundamental aspect of Western culture, and people on the left like GH are all too eager to throw that concept overboard just to reach what they perceive to be a just result. As I have harped on repeatedly around here, process matters. How we get to a certain result often matters as much, if not more, than the result itself. I'm pretty sure most people active in the threads here are in favour of the rule of law and don't have a lot of sympathy for carrying politics to the streets Oh really? Should we revisit the thread's reaction when I dared criticize the BLM people who rioted and destroyed property?
Should we? You called them monkeys. Fucking monkeys man.
edit: Plansix thinks I have you mixed up with GGTemplar. You were "BLM are vermin". It was GGTemplar who felt the need to add that they're monkeys.
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On August 16 2017 05:07 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2017 05:00 Plansix wrote:On August 16 2017 04:53 xDaunt wrote:On August 16 2017 04:50 Plansix wrote:On August 16 2017 04:45 xDaunt wrote:On August 16 2017 04:12 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 16 2017 00:12 xDaunt wrote:On August 16 2017 00:07 Mohdoo wrote:On August 16 2017 00:06 xDaunt wrote:
There's a big difference between a self-avowed Islamic terrorist blowing people up and Obama refusing to call that person an Islamic terrorist and Trump equivocating between Nazi and Antifa factions who are both engaged in bad behavior at what would be an otherwise lawful event (permitting aside). Why are you pretending "bad behavior" has no measure to it? Do you consider Nazis and Antifa morally equivalent? You're asking the wrong questions. Nazis are assholes, but that doesn't mean that they don't have civil rights. They get to organize and hold rallies just like everyone else. So if we put content aside, and look at the behavior of the Nazis and Antifa at the rally, it becomes pretty easy to see the equivalence. Both were looking to start shit, so shit got started. lol, why am I not surprised to see you defending Nazi civil rights more vociferously than the black people who have theirs systemically violated every day? Lol, please. We all know that you'd go apeshit if some mayor tried to yank the permit for some black rights group that wanted to host a demonstration or otherwise tried to clamp down on the group's free speech rights. Your problem (and the general problem with the Left) is that you've lost perspective on what "equal protection under the law" means. Can you post the story showing the mayor attempted to yank the permit? He said in an interview with NPR that he tried to have the venue moved because he had safety concerns given the nature of the protest. I've seen no evidence of him trying to stop the rally altogether. I would think that y'all on the left would be able to show a better grasp of the concept of "pretext" than this. There's a reason why a federal court judge ruled in favor of the Nazis. So he did not try to yank the permit, as much as change the venue? I’ve engaged in the endless debates about voter ID laws and backed up my claims of pretext with some well researched evidence, to prove they were efforts to suppress the vote. If you are going to make the claim that was an effort to suppress them, show how you came to that conclusion. When you say changing the venue, what you mean is that they "yanked the permit for the original venue." It was revoked. Period. That was the subject of the lawsuit. The judge enjoined the city from revoking the permit. This isn't hard to understand. The funny part (which I didn't know until reading the order) is that the city did not revoke the permits for the counter protests.
You see, that is much better. I asked for information and you provided it like a normal person. I didn’t know the name of the case, so that would have been a chore to find the order on my phone. I agree with your assessment of the ruling and that the city made a poor case for moving the protest and the judge was correct in denying their request. They should have denied all the permits and said they simply cannot assure the safety of the protests given the open carry laws in the state.
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On August 16 2017 05:00 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2017 04:55 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 16 2017 04:45 xDaunt wrote:On August 16 2017 04:12 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 16 2017 00:12 xDaunt wrote:On August 16 2017 00:07 Mohdoo wrote:On August 16 2017 00:06 xDaunt wrote:
There's a big difference between a self-avowed Islamic terrorist blowing people up and Obama refusing to call that person an Islamic terrorist and Trump equivocating between Nazi and Antifa factions who are both engaged in bad behavior at what would be an otherwise lawful event (permitting aside). Why are you pretending "bad behavior" has no measure to it? Do you consider Nazis and Antifa morally equivalent? You're asking the wrong questions. Nazis are assholes, but that doesn't mean that they don't have civil rights. They get to organize and hold rallies just like everyone else. So if we put content aside, and look at the behavior of the Nazis and Antifa at the rally, it becomes pretty easy to see the equivalence. Both were looking to start shit, so shit got started. lol, why am I not surprised to see you defending Nazi civil rights more vociferously than the black people who have theirs systemically violated every day? Lol, please. We all know that you'd go apeshit if some mayor tried to yank the permit for some black rights group that wanted to host a demonstration or otherwise tried to clamp down on the group's free speech rights. Your problem (and the general problem with the Left) is that you've lost perspective on what "equal protection under the law" means. That you equate the two says more than I think you intended. So I guess that you think that ACLU is pro-Nazi, too? Give it a rest. A few weeks ago, people were asking me about how and why certain aspects of Western culture were under attack. Well, we are witnessing a good example right now. The rule of law is a fundamental aspect of Western culture, and people on the left like GH are all too eager to throw that concept overboard just to reach what they perceive to be a just result. As I have harped on repeatedly around here, process matters. How we get to a certain result often matters as much, if not more, than the result itself.
The mayor tried to move the protest to somewhere else where it could be beter secured. That does now infringe upon any part of the Rule of Law. I would be perfectly fine with a mayor requesting the same for a BLM protest that could turn violent
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On August 16 2017 05:12 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2017 05:09 xDaunt wrote:On August 16 2017 05:06 Nyxisto wrote:On August 16 2017 05:00 xDaunt wrote:On August 16 2017 04:55 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 16 2017 04:45 xDaunt wrote:On August 16 2017 04:12 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 16 2017 00:12 xDaunt wrote:On August 16 2017 00:07 Mohdoo wrote:On August 16 2017 00:06 xDaunt wrote:
There's a big difference between a self-avowed Islamic terrorist blowing people up and Obama refusing to call that person an Islamic terrorist and Trump equivocating between Nazi and Antifa factions who are both engaged in bad behavior at what would be an otherwise lawful event (permitting aside). Why are you pretending "bad behavior" has no measure to it? Do you consider Nazis and Antifa morally equivalent? You're asking the wrong questions. Nazis are assholes, but that doesn't mean that they don't have civil rights. They get to organize and hold rallies just like everyone else. So if we put content aside, and look at the behavior of the Nazis and Antifa at the rally, it becomes pretty easy to see the equivalence. Both were looking to start shit, so shit got started. lol, why am I not surprised to see you defending Nazi civil rights more vociferously than the black people who have theirs systemically violated every day? Lol, please. We all know that you'd go apeshit if some mayor tried to yank the permit for some black rights group that wanted to host a demonstration or otherwise tried to clamp down on the group's free speech rights. Your problem (and the general problem with the Left) is that you've lost perspective on what "equal protection under the law" means. That you equate the two says more than I think you intended. So I guess that you think that ACLU is pro-Nazi, too? Give it a rest. A few weeks ago, people were asking me about how and why certain aspects of Western culture were under attack. Well, we are witnessing a good example right now. The rule of law is a fundamental aspect of Western culture, and people on the left like GH are all too eager to throw that concept overboard just to reach what they perceive to be a just result. As I have harped on repeatedly around here, process matters. How we get to a certain result often matters as much, if not more, than the result itself. I'm pretty sure most people active in the threads here are in favour of the rule of law and don't have a lot of sympathy for carrying politics to the streets Oh really? Should we revisit the thread's reaction when I dared criticize the BLM people who rioted and destroyed property? Should we? You called them monkeys. Fucking monkeys man.
It was vermin.
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On August 16 2017 05:14 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2017 05:12 KwarK wrote:On August 16 2017 05:09 xDaunt wrote:On August 16 2017 05:06 Nyxisto wrote:On August 16 2017 05:00 xDaunt wrote:On August 16 2017 04:55 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 16 2017 04:45 xDaunt wrote:On August 16 2017 04:12 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 16 2017 00:12 xDaunt wrote:On August 16 2017 00:07 Mohdoo wrote:
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Why are you pretending "bad behavior" has no measure to it? Do you consider Nazis and Antifa morally equivalent? You're asking the wrong questions. Nazis are assholes, but that doesn't mean that they don't have civil rights. They get to organize and hold rallies just like everyone else. So if we put content aside, and look at the behavior of the Nazis and Antifa at the rally, it becomes pretty easy to see the equivalence. Both were looking to start shit, so shit got started. lol, why am I not surprised to see you defending Nazi civil rights more vociferously than the black people who have theirs systemically violated every day? Lol, please. We all know that you'd go apeshit if some mayor tried to yank the permit for some black rights group that wanted to host a demonstration or otherwise tried to clamp down on the group's free speech rights. Your problem (and the general problem with the Left) is that you've lost perspective on what "equal protection under the law" means. That you equate the two says more than I think you intended. So I guess that you think that ACLU is pro-Nazi, too? Give it a rest. A few weeks ago, people were asking me about how and why certain aspects of Western culture were under attack. Well, we are witnessing a good example right now. The rule of law is a fundamental aspect of Western culture, and people on the left like GH are all too eager to throw that concept overboard just to reach what they perceive to be a just result. As I have harped on repeatedly around here, process matters. How we get to a certain result often matters as much, if not more, than the result itself. I'm pretty sure most people active in the threads here are in favour of the rule of law and don't have a lot of sympathy for carrying politics to the streets Oh really? Should we revisit the thread's reaction when I dared criticize the BLM people who rioted and destroyed property? Should we? You called them monkeys. Fucking monkeys man. It was vermin.
Was GGTemplar the monkeys?
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On August 16 2017 05:13 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2017 05:00 xDaunt wrote:On August 16 2017 04:55 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 16 2017 04:45 xDaunt wrote:On August 16 2017 04:12 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 16 2017 00:12 xDaunt wrote:On August 16 2017 00:07 Mohdoo wrote:On August 16 2017 00:06 xDaunt wrote:
There's a big difference between a self-avowed Islamic terrorist blowing people up and Obama refusing to call that person an Islamic terrorist and Trump equivocating between Nazi and Antifa factions who are both engaged in bad behavior at what would be an otherwise lawful event (permitting aside). Why are you pretending "bad behavior" has no measure to it? Do you consider Nazis and Antifa morally equivalent? You're asking the wrong questions. Nazis are assholes, but that doesn't mean that they don't have civil rights. They get to organize and hold rallies just like everyone else. So if we put content aside, and look at the behavior of the Nazis and Antifa at the rally, it becomes pretty easy to see the equivalence. Both were looking to start shit, so shit got started. lol, why am I not surprised to see you defending Nazi civil rights more vociferously than the black people who have theirs systemically violated every day? Lol, please. We all know that you'd go apeshit if some mayor tried to yank the permit for some black rights group that wanted to host a demonstration or otherwise tried to clamp down on the group's free speech rights. Your problem (and the general problem with the Left) is that you've lost perspective on what "equal protection under the law" means. That you equate the two says more than I think you intended. So I guess that you think that ACLU is pro-Nazi, too? Give it a rest. A few weeks ago, people were asking me about how and why certain aspects of Western culture were under attack. Well, we are witnessing a good example right now. The rule of law is a fundamental aspect of Western culture, and people on the left like GH are all too eager to throw that concept overboard just to reach what they perceive to be a just result. As I have harped on repeatedly around here, process matters. How we get to a certain result often matters as much, if not more, than the result itself. The mayor tried to move the protest to somewhere else where it could be beter secured. That does now infringe upon any part of the Rule of Law. I would be perfectly fine with a mayor requesting the same for a BLM protest that could turn violent
Guess what? The federal judge disagreed with this, and agreed with what I am saying.
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The daily caller published a video about running over liberal protestors in January.
http://dailycaller.com/2017/01/27/heres-a-reel-of-cars-plowing-through-protesters-trying-to-block-the-road-video/
![[image loading]](https://am14.akamaized.net/med/cnt/uploads/2017/08/Screen-Shot-2017-08-15-at-15.47.51.jpg)
The video was compiled by Mike Raust, the Daily Caller’s video editor. It features a number of clips of people in cars and trucks driving through protestors blocking roads.
“If you are easily triggered, stop watching now,” a text at the start of the video reads. “Too late,” the next text says, as a truck drives through a protester. The compilation is set to a terrible acoustic rendition of Ludacris’ 2002 hit “Move Bitch.”
A joke? Probably.. But some people probably took it seriously.
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On August 16 2017 05:15 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2017 05:13 Gorsameth wrote:On August 16 2017 05:00 xDaunt wrote:On August 16 2017 04:55 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 16 2017 04:45 xDaunt wrote:On August 16 2017 04:12 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 16 2017 00:12 xDaunt wrote:On August 16 2017 00:07 Mohdoo wrote:On August 16 2017 00:06 xDaunt wrote:
There's a big difference between a self-avowed Islamic terrorist blowing people up and Obama refusing to call that person an Islamic terrorist and Trump equivocating between Nazi and Antifa factions who are both engaged in bad behavior at what would be an otherwise lawful event (permitting aside). Why are you pretending "bad behavior" has no measure to it? Do you consider Nazis and Antifa morally equivalent? You're asking the wrong questions. Nazis are assholes, but that doesn't mean that they don't have civil rights. They get to organize and hold rallies just like everyone else. So if we put content aside, and look at the behavior of the Nazis and Antifa at the rally, it becomes pretty easy to see the equivalence. Both were looking to start shit, so shit got started. lol, why am I not surprised to see you defending Nazi civil rights more vociferously than the black people who have theirs systemically violated every day? Lol, please. We all know that you'd go apeshit if some mayor tried to yank the permit for some black rights group that wanted to host a demonstration or otherwise tried to clamp down on the group's free speech rights. Your problem (and the general problem with the Left) is that you've lost perspective on what "equal protection under the law" means. That you equate the two says more than I think you intended. So I guess that you think that ACLU is pro-Nazi, too? Give it a rest. A few weeks ago, people were asking me about how and why certain aspects of Western culture were under attack. Well, we are witnessing a good example right now. The rule of law is a fundamental aspect of Western culture, and people on the left like GH are all too eager to throw that concept overboard just to reach what they perceive to be a just result. As I have harped on repeatedly around here, process matters. How we get to a certain result often matters as much, if not more, than the result itself. The mayor tried to move the protest to somewhere else where it could be beter secured. That does now infringe upon any part of the Rule of Law. I would be perfectly fine with a mayor requesting the same for a BLM protest that could turn violent Guess what? The federal judge disagreed with this, and agreed with what I am saying.
Congratulations you have managed to post some actually evidence to your standpoint so lets discuss that.
Yes outright banning the protest was wrong, esp while allowing counter protests. The mayor should have relocated the protest instead and ensured that the counter protesters were no where near to keep the two sides separated.
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On August 16 2017 05:14 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2017 05:14 Plansix wrote:On August 16 2017 05:12 KwarK wrote:On August 16 2017 05:09 xDaunt wrote:On August 16 2017 05:06 Nyxisto wrote:On August 16 2017 05:00 xDaunt wrote:On August 16 2017 04:55 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 16 2017 04:45 xDaunt wrote:On August 16 2017 04:12 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 16 2017 00:12 xDaunt wrote:
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You're asking the wrong questions. Nazis are assholes, but that doesn't mean that they don't have civil rights. They get to organize and hold rallies just like everyone else. So if we put content aside, and look at the behavior of the Nazis and Antifa at the rally, it becomes pretty easy to see the equivalence. Both were looking to start shit, so shit got started. lol, why am I not surprised to see you defending Nazi civil rights more vociferously than the black people who have theirs systemically violated every day? Lol, please. We all know that you'd go apeshit if some mayor tried to yank the permit for some black rights group that wanted to host a demonstration or otherwise tried to clamp down on the group's free speech rights. Your problem (and the general problem with the Left) is that you've lost perspective on what "equal protection under the law" means. That you equate the two says more than I think you intended. So I guess that you think that ACLU is pro-Nazi, too? Give it a rest. A few weeks ago, people were asking me about how and why certain aspects of Western culture were under attack. Well, we are witnessing a good example right now. The rule of law is a fundamental aspect of Western culture, and people on the left like GH are all too eager to throw that concept overboard just to reach what they perceive to be a just result. As I have harped on repeatedly around here, process matters. How we get to a certain result often matters as much, if not more, than the result itself. I'm pretty sure most people active in the threads here are in favour of the rule of law and don't have a lot of sympathy for carrying politics to the streets Oh really? Should we revisit the thread's reaction when I dared criticize the BLM people who rioted and destroyed property? Should we? You called them monkeys. Fucking monkeys man. It was vermin. Was GGTemplar the monkeys?
I think so. It all sort of blurs together, considering some of those folks made alts and continued their amazingly racist scree beyond the ban.
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LOL at everyone who spent the last two days spinning for Trump that he was sincere about criticizing the Nazis. 'b-b-b-b-but Alt-Left ... b-b-b-b-but Antifa' are the official lines of Trump himself. Hell, he even said that pulling down Lee statutes would lead to pulling down George Washington statutes. He even says the non-Nazis at Charllottesville were treated unfairly by the media! Everyone who said Trump wasn't spinning to protect the Nazis and Alt-Right are now officially wrong. Trump was trying to cover for them the whole time.
Alt Left
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Not all Nazis!
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George washington
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Long clip -- 4:10
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I don't know about you guys, but I've never seen so many deranged lone wolves in one place in my life.
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On August 16 2017 05:28 Wulfey_LA wrote:LOL at everyone who spent the last two days spinning for Trump that he was sincere about criticizing the Nazis. 'b-b-b-b-but Alt-Left ... b-b-b-b-but Antifa' are the official lines of Trump himself. Hell, he even said that pulling down Lee statutes would lead to pulling down George Washington statutes. He even says the non-Nazis at Charllottesville were treated unfairly by the media! Everyone who said Trump wasn't spinning to protect the Nazis and Alt-Right are now officially wrong. Trump was trying to cover for them the whole time. Alt Left + Show Spoiler +Not all Nazis! + Show Spoiler +George washington + Show Spoiler +Long clip -- 4:10 + Show Spoiler +
"Wow you guys, nothing will satisfy liberals, will it?"
Lee? Practically George Washington.
Ho-lee-shit.
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There is something deeply offensive to Lee being elevated to the level of Washington. And Washington owned slaves.
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On August 16 2017 05:38 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2017 05:28 Wulfey_LA wrote:LOL at everyone who spent the last two days spinning for Trump that he was sincere about criticizing the Nazis. 'b-b-b-b-but Alt-Left ... b-b-b-b-but Antifa' are the official lines of Trump himself. Hell, he even said that pulling down Lee statutes would lead to pulling down George Washington statutes. He even says the non-Nazis at Charllottesville were treated unfairly by the media! Everyone who said Trump wasn't spinning to protect the Nazis and Alt-Right are now officially wrong. Trump was trying to cover for them the whole time. Alt Left + Show Spoiler +Not all Nazis! + Show Spoiler +George washington + Show Spoiler +Long clip -- 4:10 + Show Spoiler + "Wow you guys, nothing will satisfy liberals, will it?" Lee? Practically George Washington. Ho-lee-shit.
I wonder what if anything Kushner/Ivanka have said to the donald regarding all of this. For all intents and purposes they seemed to be the more reasonable of Trumps advisers albeit still opportunist profiteers.
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On August 16 2017 05:13 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2017 05:00 xDaunt wrote:On August 16 2017 04:55 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 16 2017 04:45 xDaunt wrote:On August 16 2017 04:12 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 16 2017 00:12 xDaunt wrote:On August 16 2017 00:07 Mohdoo wrote:On August 16 2017 00:06 xDaunt wrote:
There's a big difference between a self-avowed Islamic terrorist blowing people up and Obama refusing to call that person an Islamic terrorist and Trump equivocating between Nazi and Antifa factions who are both engaged in bad behavior at what would be an otherwise lawful event (permitting aside). Why are you pretending "bad behavior" has no measure to it? Do you consider Nazis and Antifa morally equivalent? You're asking the wrong questions. Nazis are assholes, but that doesn't mean that they don't have civil rights. They get to organize and hold rallies just like everyone else. So if we put content aside, and look at the behavior of the Nazis and Antifa at the rally, it becomes pretty easy to see the equivalence. Both were looking to start shit, so shit got started. lol, why am I not surprised to see you defending Nazi civil rights more vociferously than the black people who have theirs systemically violated every day? Lol, please. We all know that you'd go apeshit if some mayor tried to yank the permit for some black rights group that wanted to host a demonstration or otherwise tried to clamp down on the group's free speech rights. Your problem (and the general problem with the Left) is that you've lost perspective on what "equal protection under the law" means. That you equate the two says more than I think you intended. So I guess that you think that ACLU is pro-Nazi, too? Give it a rest. A few weeks ago, people were asking me about how and why certain aspects of Western culture were under attack. Well, we are witnessing a good example right now. The rule of law is a fundamental aspect of Western culture, and people on the left like GH are all too eager to throw that concept overboard just to reach what they perceive to be a just result. As I have harped on repeatedly around here, process matters. How we get to a certain result often matters as much, if not more, than the result itself. The mayor tried to move the protest to somewhere else where it could be beter secured. That does now infringe upon any part of the Rule of Law. I would be perfectly fine with a mayor requesting the same for a BLM protest that could turn violent
Oh so rioting or destroying property in a political protest is an attack on western culture. From a french perspective, that's the most hilarious thing i read in this thread.
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On August 16 2017 05:43 Plansix wrote:
There is something deeply offensive to Lee being elevated to the level of Washington. And Washington owned slaves.
The Left barks up the wrong tree whenever they try to go after Lee. He's just not cut out to be the villain.
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