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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On July 28 2017 15:30 CorsairHero wrote: i thought he wanted repeal and replace He backed away from that campaign promise as soon as they had to come up with something to replace it with. Just like he backs away from every promise that actually involves producing something that isn't a name someone told or paid him to appoint (infrastructure, wall paid by Mexico, birth certificate). | ||
KwarK
United States43746 Posts
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On July 28 2017 15:32 Introvert wrote: (1) If I were zlefin I'd accuse you of trolling, but then again that first point reads a lot like a post of his. Somehow being "utilitarian" is a neutral or valueless viewpoint. This is akin to saying something ridiculous like "I don't have an ideology." (2) I don't like the way it was done or the fact that it touched almost nothing, really. Republicans would have owned every bad thing then we'd even worse off next November. All the things they wanted to change are good things to change, but in isolation they are a disaster. I mean it's hard, I really want those things gone. But for the future, they can't go this way. Still doesn't excuse the GOP's incredible ability to be feckless or fail to do ANYTHING. I mean Ben Shapiro's short and sweet take really does sum it up. http://www.dailywire.com/news/19080/breaking-mccain-strangles-skinny-repeal-obamacare-ben-shapiro#exit-modal Edit: + Show Spoiler + Yep. All of that. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On July 28 2017 15:16 mustaju wrote: Problem is, they'll likely try again, no? McCain's condition specifically makes the current no vote a highly unstable situation. The reconciliation vehicle for passage is technically still alive, but you need 50 Senators to agree on something. This sorta looked like McConnell's last hurrah for that feat. | ||
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Wulfey_LA
932 Posts
On July 28 2017 15:32 Introvert wrote: (1) If I were zlefin I'd accuse you of trolling, but then again that first point reads a lot like a post of his. Somehow being "utilitarian" is a neutral or valueless viewpoint. This is akin to saying something ridiculous like "I don't have an ideology." + Show Spoiler + (2) I don't like the way it was done or the fact that it touched almost nothing, really. Republicans would have owned every bad thing then we'd even worse off next November. All the things they wanted to change are good things to change, but in isolation they are a disaster. I mean it's hard, I really want those things gone. But for the future, they can't go this way. Still doesn't excuse the GOP's incredible ability to be feckless or fail to do ANYTHING. I mean Ben Shapiro's short and sweet take really does sum it up. http://www.dailywire.com/news/19080/breaking-mccain-strangles-skinny-repeal-obamacare-ben-shapiro#exit-modal Edit: + Show Spoiler + Liberalism isn't value-less, but it is less-value based. It moves to new policies as we face new challenges in ways that Marxism/Conservatism don't. Take gay marriage. Liberals all said 'civil unions' back in the 90s, but we moved as progress moved along up to gay marriage. It is a mix of utilitarianism, a distrust of state violence, and a willingness to use state power to limit the power of local bullies over weaker individuals. EDIT: listen to how Obama talks about healthcare reform. Yeah, he has some big biases on the matter. But if you listen to how he argues it is all policy with very little mention of values beyond affordability and fairness. This is how liberals reason and it is fundamentally different than conservatives. He isn't going from "government bad, thus healthcare reform bad". This is talk of solutions to practical problems. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France8007 Posts
Mr. Scaramucci, who has so emulated Mr. Trump’s style that colleagues privately call him “Mini-Me,” made clear in his conversation with The New Yorker’s Ryan Lizza that he is trying to push Mr. Priebus out. “Reince is a fucking paranoid schizophrenic, a paranoiac,” he said. Mr. Scaramucci complained that Mr. Priebus had prevented him from getting a job in the White House until now, saying he “blocked Scaramucci for six months.” In the same telephone call, Mr. Scaramucci disparaged Mr. Bannon. “I’m not Steve Bannon. I’m not trying to suck my own cock,” he said. “I’m not trying to build my own brand” on the president’s coattails. Anthony Scaramucci’s Uncensored Rant: Foul Words and Threats to Have Priebus Fired - The New York Times And those people are running the most powerful country in the world. Oh the humanity... | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8007 Posts
On July 28 2017 16:38 Plansix wrote: I fell asleep and woke up to McCain exceeding my expectations of him. I'm going to wonder if this was his plan all along. https://twitter.com/mikedebonis/status/890801647433076737 Well the thing with John McCain is that you absolutely never know if he will be a hero or a complete d... I think Trump made a mandate changing mistake when he insulted him and his past as a POW in the most offensive and disgusting way imaginable. Every setback of his must taste like candy after what he said. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22158 Posts
This is the party you chose to be a part of. | ||
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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
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KOFgokuon
United States14908 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22158 Posts
On July 28 2017 20:51 KOFgokuon wrote: no one supported the bill as is, they were intending for it to go to conference where they'd argue about it AGAIN for weeks and months and then churn out another turd sandwich No one wanted it yet 49 people voted in favor, that's a very weird way to show your lack of support. At some point you have to own up to what your voting for, both the politicians themselves aswell as the people who vote for them. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
I hope he vetos the sanction bill out of spite today. Ooh I can't wait to hear what the Mooch has to say about this too! | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12420 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45380 Posts
The Commodus thumbs down: Senator John McCommodus. Movie reference: + Show Spoiler + | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On July 28 2017 21:18 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: McCain dropped the mic right in front of McConnell. Oh god this feels so good. Watching on repeat. The Commodus thumbs down: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNwLDj6D520 Senator John McCommodus. Movie reference: + Show Spoiler + What's up with the weird half clapping | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
9037 Posts
On July 28 2017 21:18 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: McCain dropped the mic right in front of McConnell. Oh god this feels so good. Watching on repeat. The Commodus thumbs down: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNwLDj6D520 Senator John McCommodus. Movie reference: + Show Spoiler + I called it. | ||
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