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LegalLord
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Plansix
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On July 28 2017 22:48 m4ini wrote: I think that's the key to being immune against twitter tirades. It seems so stupid, but the spelling of the name is a core issue in write ins. The fact 100K people got it right is shows how popular she is. Edit: Special reminder that the ACA was passed with around 180 amendments from Republicans. That pile of trash from last night had zero. Any claims that the Democrats did the same thing in 2009 are still false. | ||
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Kickstart
United States1941 Posts
On July 28 2017 21:32 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: What's up with the weird half clapping It just isn't proper decorum to cheer/clap is all. You can see Schumer turn around like 'wtf guys shush'. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
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New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) said on Thursday that the criticism that surrounded his family after they were photographed enjoying a closed public beach upset his children especially. In comments made on his Thursday night radio show and first reported by Bloomberg, Christie told listeners that the "ignorance" of his critics hurt his family. The critics "upset his children more than anything else," Christie said on Thursday. "They don't understand people's unfairness and, quite frankly, their ignorance." Earlier this month, Christie and his family were photographed by a New Jersey Star-Ledger reporter enjoying the sun on beach he had closed just days earlier. The governor and his family were ripped by critics and Democrats for enjoying the publicly funded beach amidst a government shutdown in the state. Christie's team has been running defense since. Shortly after they were taken, Christie's spokesman dismissed the controversy in an interview with NBC. “You’re using some photographs about a man on the beach with his family. That’s a scandal, apparently,” he told NBC. “That beach is closed 365 days a year. That particular segment of the beach is part of the governor’s residence. He was on the beach for 45 minutes, [then] came back to work in Trenton.” The two-term GOP governor is one of the most unpopular state leaders in the country. A recent Quinnipiac poll found that a shocking 81 percent of New Jersey voters disapprove of Christie's performance as governor, including 58 percent of Republicans. The poll was taken shortly after the news broke about Christie's use of the public beach. That's a 10 percent jump from the previously most recent poll, which found Christie with 71 percent disapproval in April. Source | ||
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ShoCkeyy
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Also if you continue to watch the video, you can see Bernie in the back too getting all excited lol. | ||
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Mohdoo
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On July 28 2017 23:10 ShoCkeyy wrote: Murkowski did the right thing for her state. They really rely on ACA, and after figuring out how to fix the high premiums for themselves, why would they take that away? She really seems to be liked because she actually cares about her state, and the people in it. Also if you continue to watch the video, you can see Bernie in the back too getting all excited lol. Alaska basically just subsidized everyone who ended up with overly expensive plans, right? | ||
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Mercy13
United States718 Posts
On July 28 2017 23:30 Mohdoo wrote: Alaska basically just subsidized everyone who ended up with overly expensive plans, right? Not exactly. Alaska reimbursed insurers who got stuck with a small number of extremely expensive to insure people. This allowed those insurers to charge lower premiums, which saved the federal government lots of money because it didn't have to pay as much in subsidies. Alaska then asked the federal government to use those savings to reimburse Alaska for the amount Alaska reimbursed the insurance companies, and the Trump administration recently agreed. As a side note the ACA was designed with a national reinsurance scheme of this nature, but House Republicans sued and successfully had it struck down in court. This made the system set up by the ACA worse for consumers and more expensive for the federal government, but who cares as long as you can blame Democrats for everything wrong with the healthcare system! | ||
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Introvert
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ZerOCoolSC2
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On July 28 2017 23:41 Mercy13 wrote: Not exactly. Alaska reimbursed insurers who got stuck with a small number of extremely expensive to insure people. This allowed those insurers to charge lower premiums, which saved the federal government lots of money because it didn't have to pay as much in subsidies. Alaska then asked the federal government to use those savings to reimburse Alaska for the amount Alaska reimbursed the insurance companies, and the Trump administration recently agreed. As a side note the ACA was designed with a national reinsurance scheme of this nature, but House Republicans sued and successfully had it struck down in court. This made the system set up by the ACA worse for consumers and more expensive for the federal government, but who cares as long as you can blame Democrats for everything wrong with the healthcare system! + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.warosu.org/data/tg/img/0313/71/1397206844575.gif) | ||
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ticklishmusic
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On July 28 2017 23:41 Mercy13 wrote: Not exactly. Alaska reimbursed insurers who got stuck with a small number of extremely expensive to insure people. This allowed those insurers to charge lower premiums, which saved the federal government lots of money because it didn't have to pay as much in subsidies. Alaska then asked the federal government to use those savings to reimburse Alaska for the amount Alaska reimbursed the insurance companies, and the Trump administration recently agreed. As a side note the ACA was designed with a national reinsurance scheme of this nature, but House Republicans sued and successfully had it struck down in court. This made the system set up by the ACA worse for consumers and more expensive for the federal government, but who cares as long as you can blame Democrats for everything wrong with the healthcare system! Hickenlooper referenced it on NPR this morning as a potential solution. I actually like it, though a better solution IMO would be to hand off the highest cost people to a fully government-run/funded PCMH program. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
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On July 28 2017 23:48 Introvert wrote: McCain and Murkowski both voted to repeal many, many times, including in 2015. They deserve no praise. McCain wasn't dying then and Murkowski more than likely didn't realize just how much her state depended on the ACA and how badly the GOP bill would screw her over. | ||
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farvacola
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ShoCkeyy
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Mohdoo
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On July 28 2017 23:48 Introvert wrote: McCain and Murkowski both voted to repeal many, many times, including in 2015. They deserve no praise. They voted for it when they knew it wouldn't happen. Are you saying they thought any of those bills would actually go into effect? It was posturing and that's it. Big difference. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On July 28 2017 23:48 Introvert wrote: McCain and Murkowski both voted to repeal many, many times, including in 2015. They deserve no praise. we can always praise people when they vote well, and not praise them when they vote poorly. it's possible to praise based on a piecemeal basis rather than an overall basis. try to encourage the good actions and discourage the bad. not that it's necessarily best to do, merely that it's not an unreasonable option. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 28 2017 23:48 Introvert wrote: McCain and Murkowski both voted to repeal many, many times, including in 2015. They deserve no praise. The Republican party deserves no praise for voting on something they knew terrible just because it would be vetoed. That style of governance had lead to the dumpster fire that is congress today. I don’t care when they came to their senses, just as long as it happened. | ||
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Doodsmack
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{CC}StealthBlue
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On July 28 2017 23:57 Plansix wrote: The Republican party deserves no praise for voting on something they knew terrible just because it would be vetoed. That style of governance had lead to the dumpster fire that is congress today. I don’t care when they came to their senses, just as long as it happened. If you think this is the end of repeal you're going to be sorely mistaken. Murkowski shouldn't be praised to begin with as others have said she voted yes when she knew it wouldn't pass but No when it was in danger of doing so. That isn't courage. As for McCain, what can be said. He is in the line of It's a Wonderful Life a "Warped Frustrated Old Man" ever since losing to Obama in 08 he has gone off the deep end. Random outbursts on the floor, enjoying Taxpayer funded Health Insurance for life while wanting to abolish Medicaid and so on. As I have said before the man isn't a hero he just likes his job and the perks that come with it and think he is better than pretty much everyone else. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22703 Posts
On July 28 2017 23:51 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: McCain wasn't dying then and Murkowski more than likely didn't realize just how much her state depended on the ACA and how badly the GOP bill would screw her over. Or the completely obvious answer of 'party before country' and knowing that their votes didn't matter. Same shit happened last night, of the 49 who voted in favor many would have been praying the 3 no's happened instead of just having the guts to come out and say No themselves. That is how you get into these garbage situations, people faking their positions and trying to play both sides just to keep their seat rather then actually doing their job and governing. | ||
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Amui
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