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I am still in shock that he did it. They had Pence down there to break the tie. They thought they had the votes right up until the end when he killed it.
On July 28 2017 16:19 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2017 15:16 mustaju wrote:
Problem is, they'll likely try again, no? McCain's condition specifically makes the current no vote a highly unstable situation. The reconciliation vehicle for passage is technically still alive, but you need 50 Senators to agree on something. This sorta looked like McConnell's last hurrah for that feat.
It also ends in October and they cannot take up another spending or anything of substance until they finish with reconciliation.
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On July 28 2017 21:37 Plansix wrote:
I am still in shock that he did it. They had Pence down there to break the tie. They thought they had the votes right up until the end when he killed it.
McCain brought it out to the floor so that they could kill it for good. Like the last time. He knew there was no point in it going any further, so why even keep the charade going?
With his dying breath, McCain whipped it out, and slapped DJT across the face. Amen.
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All I see is throwing money at the issue. That's the Democrat answer for everything. Just allocate more tax payer dollars. Always, for everything. In lieu of that, it's increase the Federal Governments power over industry and locality. I expected nothing less.
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What ever happened with the parliamentarian supposedly ruling skinny repeal inadmissible under reconciliation? If they got all the way to a vote they must have dealt with that, right?
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I love the fact that Trump can't even lash out at McCain.
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On July 28 2017 21:51 Mohdoo wrote:
I love the fact that Trump can't even lash out at McCain.
Trump probably doesn't care about the fallout that would occur from attacking one of the most respected Congressional Republicans. Or wouldn't think about the ramifications, or whatever. It's not like Trump has had a filter or conscience so far.
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On July 28 2017 21:47 Wegandi wrote:All I see is throwing money at the issue. That's the Democrat answer for everything. Just allocate more tax payer dollars. Always, for everything. In lieu of that, it's increase the Federal Governments power over industry and locality. I expected nothing less.
Yeah money helps when you're trying to do stuff, I'm not sure why you paint that as a surprise. This money that you choose not to wish to throw into having things that are good for your people, the Republicans instead choose to throw it into the military (where the democratic answer isn't, you will find, "Throw more money at it") or at the rich in the form of money that isn't taken from them, which is essentially the same thing.
In the absence of a party that doesn't throw money at stuff, your criticism doesn't seem very powerful.
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On July 28 2017 21:47 Wegandi wrote:All I see is throwing money at the issue. That's the Democrat answer for everything. Just allocate more tax payer dollars. Always, for everything. In lieu of that, it's increase the Federal Governments power over industry and locality. I expected nothing less.
Did you think providing HC was free?
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The way to fix the healthcare problem is by spending money and get more people to sign up. There is no solution that doesn’t involve more government oversight and involvement. States expanding Medicaid coverage would go a long way. It costs money to fix things. It costs money to govern. Anyone who claims otherwise is lying.
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The death of the ACA repeal, told WWE style:
The ACA is against the ropes... it's not looking good. McConnell is hitting him, forty six, forty seven, forty nine times! The ACA can't hold our for much longer! Wait what's this? JOHN MCCAIN OUT OF LEFT FLANK TAKES MCCONNELL DOWN, THE DEMS GO WIIIIILD
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(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ MCCAIN THROWS THE TABLE AT MCCONNELL!
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I can't help but feel McCain's last minute twist was a bit of a middle finger at Trump. Murkowski also didn't bend to Trump's pressure, so good on her.
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Donald Trump is the closest I've ever seen a politician get to imitating Mankind/Cactus Jack/Dude Love 
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On July 28 2017 21:47 Wegandi wrote:All I see is throwing money at the issue. That's the Democrat answer for everything. Just allocate more tax payer dollars. Always, for everything. In lieu of that, it's increase the Federal Governments power over industry and locality. I expected nothing less.
Wait, are they saying that the way to a functioning anything is spending money on it?
The fuck is wrong with those people, don't they know you can run healthcare, infrastructure, military and wall building by throwing xenophobia, religion and whataboutism at it?
I'm totally with you on that one. How dare they trying to fund something that hasn't gotten at least 12 rockets or makes life for the rich easier.
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On July 28 2017 22:25 PhoenixVoid wrote:
I can't help but feel McCain's last minute twist was a bit of a middle finger at Trump. Murkowski also didn't bend to Trump's pressure, so good on her.
She won as a write in candidate in 2010 against a Republican and democrat. And her name is not easy to spell. She has to be one of the safest seats in the country. Plus she isn't up for re-election until 2022.
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On July 28 2017 22:47 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2017 22:25 PhoenixVoid wrote:
I can't help but feel McCain's last minute twist was a bit of a middle finger at Trump. Murkowski also didn't bend to Trump's pressure, so good on her. She won as a write in candidate in 2010 against a Republican and democrat. And her name is not easy to spell. She has to be one of the safest seats in the country. Plus she isn't up for re-election until 2022.
I think that's the key to being immune against twitter tirades.
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You could argue that this tweet was some Trumpian double speak, saying McCain is an American hero for coming back to vote, but letting his earlier comment that McCain is not an American hero for Vietnam stand.
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On July 28 2017 21:47 Wegandi wrote:All I see is throwing money at the issue. That's the Democrat answer for everything. Just allocate more tax payer dollars. Always, for everything. In lieu of that, it's increase the Federal Governments power over industry and locality. I expected nothing less.
Could you provide some more specifics on why you think this proposal is no good? This is the kind of stuff that should be debated based on the facts of the current, not just thrown out because it doesn't align with your general principles.
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this is one of the simplest ways of looking at it, but cost per insured head has gone down - if you take the total healthcare spend and divide by the number of people covered. the increase in healthcare spend has slowed, ie the cost curve bent, while millions more are insured. seems pretty good to me.
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