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IyMoon
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Mohdoo
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On July 28 2017 15:04 IyMoon wrote: So, just how angry are all the Rs at McCain? Honestly? I'd say at least 1/3 are grateful to him. Nobody. Liked. This. Bill. With the possible exception of Rand Paul. They just couldn't tank the Trump nukes resulting from a "no" vote. House R's wanted the Senate to make it more reasonable. Senate R's didn't appreciate the closed-door process and rushed nature, nor the fact that few attempts were made to do what House R's wanted. Very few people were happy with this. Edit: Oh, and it doesn't help they all fucking hate Trump. On July 28 2017 15:09 NewSunshine wrote: I don't care how little they liked it. Someone wrote it. The vast majority of R's were complicit, and eager to shit out something just to spite the Democrats and Obama. At least McCain was able to do the right thing. For now. And I never thought I'd say that. Oh, they're complicit. Especially since none of them seemed to know he was a "no" vote. But that doesn't make them any less happy for him. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On July 28 2017 15:07 TheTenthDoc wrote: Honestly? I'd say at least 1/3 are grateful to him. Nobody. Liked. This. Bill. With the possible exception of Rand Paul. I don't care how little they liked it. Someone wrote it. The vast majority of R's were complicit, and eager to shit out something just to spite the Democrats and Obama. At least McCain was able to do the right thing. For now. And I never thought I'd say that. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45381 Posts
On July 28 2017 15:09 NewSunshine wrote: I don't care how little they liked it. Someone wrote it. The vast majority of R's were complicit, and eager to shit out something just to spite the Democrats and Obama. At least McCain was able to do the right thing. For now. And I never thought I'd say that. I agree. Not a single Republican who voted Yes gets a pass. They're all complicit, and their action is what matters... Not what they secretly thought. | ||
KwarK
United States43748 Posts
Pretty impressive stuff. A mix of denying his service history, supporting the Viet Cong, supporting brain cancer, and calling him a cuck. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
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mustaju
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Leporello
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McCain is the perfect person to stick his neck out on this issue. Trump will just look vindictive if he goes after him. lol, ggwp | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On July 28 2017 15:17 Leporello wrote: https://twitter.com/JosephScrimshaw/status/890809639025000450 McCain is the perfect person to stick his neck out on this issue. Trump will just look vindictive if he goes after him. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/889798407228989441 lol, ggwp You say "Trump will look vindictive" as if that isn't something Trump actively seeks to do and is a core personality trait of what his lawyer calls our Predisent. | ||
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
On July 28 2017 15:17 Leporello wrote: https://twitter.com/JosephScrimshaw/status/890809639025000450 McCain is the perfect person to stick his neck out on this issue. Trump will just look vindictive if he goes after him. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/889798407228989441 lol, ggwp Everyone who doesn't worship Trump already knows he's vindictive and the people that have joined the Trump death cult won't give a shit. | ||
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KwarK
United States43748 Posts
On July 28 2017 15:16 TheTenthDoc wrote: Not surprising. There were plenty of cesspit posts from what were either liberals or great imitations on r/politics saying they were glad his brain cancer was killing him when he voted for the MTP/one of the iterations. Toxicity ain't going anywhere on either side. I don't like his politics but his service record and patriotism are above reproach. This is a man who the Viet Cong tried to release who wouldn't let them unless they released his fellow POWs too. They were torturing him in an effort to get him to agree to them sending him home away from all the torture. He bet the Viet Cong that they'd tire of torturing him before he tired of being tortured and won. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
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Danglars
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TheTenthDoc
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On July 28 2017 15:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Does anyone understand why McCain or another Republican would switch sides from tonight's first vote to the second vote? They could have just voted for the motion to go back to committee, instead of letting it get as far as it did. I think it represented a lack of faith in the process. If they send it back to committee, they felt it was just going to come right back out in this form or one worse than that. Better to vote on it and have done with it, starting another repeal from the ground up that the House isn't pawning off on the Senate. Note that McCain almost certainly did this as a "gotcha" moment. It may not have been his plan all along-had Ryan given more assurances he might have voted yes here-but it definitely was to fuck over McConnell, not just about the bill itself. | ||
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Lmui
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On July 28 2017 15:17 Leporello wrote: https://twitter.com/JosephScrimshaw/status/890809639025000450 McCain is the perfect person to stick his neck out on this issue. Trump will just look vindictive if he goes after him. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/889798407228989441 lol, ggwp Well that's just glorious | ||
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
https://www.cardin.senate.gov/newsroom/press/release/cardin-introduces-legislation-to-improve-the-affordable-care-act-and-find-real-solutions-to-fix-americans-health-coverage | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On July 28 2017 15:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Does anyone understand why McCain or another Republican would switch sides from tonight's first vote to the second vote? They could have just voted for the motion to go back to committee, instead of letting it get as far as it did. In general, I'd say the answer is grandstanding. Does this kind of thing happen often with US Bills? Major Bills being voted down, that is. A lot of government systems have some harsh rules about a sitting government failing to pass Supply Bills (aka things involving spending and money). Was wondering if this is part of the expected system, or one of those "not supposed to happen but no rules against it" things. | ||
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CorsairHero
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i thought he wanted repeal and replace | ||
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Introvert
United States4921 Posts
On July 28 2017 14:16 Wulfey_LA wrote: (1) Now we are getting somewhere. Liberal values aren't like Marxist or Conservative values in that you don't reason from them. It is more of an outlook. The data means a lot to me because I have known people with some nasty pre-existing conditions. I know what would happen to them if they couldn't get insurance or if their insurer decided to play games with their coverage. That a lot of people had to be mandated into buying insurance (27-34 y/o YOLOs) and others had to pay higher premiums is a worthy cost in order to protect the insurance of people with nasty pre-existing conditions. ACA is a three legged stool: (1) mandate, (2) community rating/coverage guarantees, (3) taxes/subsidies. You can't have (2) community rating without (1) mandate and (3) taxes/subsidies. I am not working from some kind of principle here beyond trying to mitigate suffering. It is a more utilitarian approach than a classical liberal approach. (2) I didn't notice. My mistake. Are you sure? It gets rid of some of the mandates for varying time lengths, and even the medical device tax. I listened to Senator Coryn and Senator Enzi talk at length about freedoms and individual choice. Shouldn't that be enough to overcome all the process concerns and insurance market risks? What is tipping you over to NO here? I actually am curious. (1) If I were zlefin I'd accuse you of trolling, but then again that first point reads a lot like a post of his. Somehow being "utilitarian" is a neutral or valueless viewpoint. This is akin to saying something ridiculous like "I don't have an ideology." (2) I don't like the way it was done or the fact that it touched almost nothing, really. Republicans would have owned every bad thing then we'd even worse off next November. All the things they wanted to change are good things to change, but in isolation they are a disaster. I mean it's hard, I really want those things gone. But for the future, they can't go this way. Still doesn't excuse the GOP's incredible ability to be feckless or fail to do ANYTHING. I mean Ben Shapiro's short and sweet take really does sum it up. http://www.dailywire.com/news/19080/breaking-mccain-strangles-skinny-repeal-obamacare-ben-shapiro#exit-modal Edit: + Show Spoiler + | ||
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