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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-24 22:57:03
July 24 2017 22:53 GMT
#163401
On July 25 2017 07:38 Wulfey_LA wrote:
This whole, "Dems need to be harder left and alienate the suburbs and exurbs harder" line is ridiculous. When Dems had the Blue Dogs, we passed ACA, Dodd-Frank, Stimulus, and got Supreme Court justice. Without them and those suburban and exurban seats? We have Paul Ryan. Also, check out the congressional vote totals in 2016. No, going harder left will do nothing to swing those marginal voters in the middle who switched over to Republicans.

Show nested quote +
Republicans captured the majority of the "popular vote" for the House on Election Day, collecting about 56.3 million votes while Democrats got about 53.2 million, according to USA TODAY calculations.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/11/10/democrats-won-popular-vote-senate-too/93598998/

It's not 2000 anymore. There is literally no such thing as a blue dog. Maybe Joe Manchin in WV, but that's a special state. They're all either dead or much further right. Politics has become increasingly polarized, there isn't really a center to appeal to anymore. Whoever gets their base to turn out in higher numbers will win. Especially democrats, there's a lot more in the country they're just far less enthusiastic than the GOP voters who would probably vote for a self-admitted demon if he was pro-life. They should be doing everything in their power to fire up their voters, not look for people who don't exist.

There may be a few blue dogs still in WV/KY, but those have to do with coal mining. The national party will have a hard time getting them back, but not outright shitting on them like Clinton did may make them winnable, I guess.
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
July 24 2017 23:01 GMT
#163402
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Wulfey_LA
Profile Joined April 2017
932 Posts
July 24 2017 23:06 GMT
#163403
On July 25 2017 07:53 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2017 07:38 Wulfey_LA wrote:
This whole, "Dems need to be harder left and alienate the suburbs and exurbs harder" line is ridiculous. When Dems had the Blue Dogs, we passed ACA, Dodd-Frank, Stimulus, and got Supreme Court justice. Without them and those suburban and exurban seats? We have Paul Ryan. Also, check out the congressional vote totals in 2016. No, going harder left will do nothing to swing those marginal voters in the middle who switched over to Republicans.

Republicans captured the majority of the "popular vote" for the House on Election Day, collecting about 56.3 million votes while Democrats got about 53.2 million, according to USA TODAY calculations.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/11/10/democrats-won-popular-vote-senate-too/93598998/

It's not 2000 anymore. There is literally no such thing as a blue dog. Maybe Joe Manchin in WV, but that's a special state. They're all either dead or much further right. Politics has become increasingly polarized, there isn't really a center to appeal to anymore. Whoever gets their base to turn out in higher numbers will win. Especially democrats, there's a lot more in the country they're just far less enthusiastic than the GOP voters who would probably vote for a self-admitted demon if he was pro-life. They should be doing everything in their power to fire up their voters, not look for people who don't exist.

There may be a few blue dogs still in WV/KY, but those have to do with coal mining. The national party will have a hard time getting them back, but not outright shitting on them like Clinton did may make them winnable, I guess.


Turning out the base isn't a viable Dem strategy because the base of the Dems lives in cities. Until Dems can reach out to suburbanites, they will never take the congress. Either you win the suburbs, or you lose. Republicans have gotten more polarized over time and have shifted from the middle, thus allowing an opening. The last thing we need is old gramps Bernie-brains coming out and peeing on Dem candidates in the suburbs who aren't Bernie-progressive enough.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
July 24 2017 23:11 GMT
#163404
On July 25 2017 08:06 Wulfey_LA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2017 07:53 Nevuk wrote:
On July 25 2017 07:38 Wulfey_LA wrote:
This whole, "Dems need to be harder left and alienate the suburbs and exurbs harder" line is ridiculous. When Dems had the Blue Dogs, we passed ACA, Dodd-Frank, Stimulus, and got Supreme Court justice. Without them and those suburban and exurban seats? We have Paul Ryan. Also, check out the congressional vote totals in 2016. No, going harder left will do nothing to swing those marginal voters in the middle who switched over to Republicans.

Republicans captured the majority of the "popular vote" for the House on Election Day, collecting about 56.3 million votes while Democrats got about 53.2 million, according to USA TODAY calculations.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/11/10/democrats-won-popular-vote-senate-too/93598998/

It's not 2000 anymore. There is literally no such thing as a blue dog. Maybe Joe Manchin in WV, but that's a special state. They're all either dead or much further right. Politics has become increasingly polarized, there isn't really a center to appeal to anymore. Whoever gets their base to turn out in higher numbers will win. Especially democrats, there's a lot more in the country they're just far less enthusiastic than the GOP voters who would probably vote for a self-admitted demon if he was pro-life. They should be doing everything in their power to fire up their voters, not look for people who don't exist.

There may be a few blue dogs still in WV/KY, but those have to do with coal mining. The national party will have a hard time getting them back, but not outright shitting on them like Clinton did may make them winnable, I guess.


Turning out the base isn't a viable Dem strategy because the base of the Dems lives in cities. Until Dems can reach out to suburbanites, they will never take the congress. Either you win the suburbs, or you lose. Republicans have gotten more polarized over time and have shifted from the middle, thus allowing an opening. The last thing we need is old gramps Bernie-brains coming out and peeing on Dem candidates in the suburbs who aren't Bernie-progressive enough.

The ones shitting on anti-choice candidates is actually the DNC itself, while Bernie endorsed one, last I recalled.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-24 23:27:20
July 24 2017 23:13 GMT
#163405
On July 25 2017 07:39 mozoku wrote:
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On July 25 2017 06:27 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Two big problems. A Papa John's slogan, and Nancy Pelosi who is so pro Corporate and arrogant that she refuses to budge to allow younger leaders to gain insight into the party.

Six months after Republicans gained control of the White House and both houses of Congress, Democrats have outlined a plan to improve their chances of methodically taking it all back.

They are leaning heavily on a re-branding of their greatest hits — more and better-paying jobs, lowering health care costs and cracking down on the what are seen as the abuses of big business.

As an agenda and a slogan, "A Better Deal," hearkens back to the days of President Franklin Roosevelt. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer went 50 miles outside the Beltway, to Berryville, Va., to unveil it, hoping the ideas will resonate with suburban voters, many of whom were energized by Trump's campaign-trail populism.

"When you lose an election with someone who has, say, 40 percent popularity, you look in the mirror and say what did we do wrong?" Schumer said, speaking on ABC's This Week Sunday. "And the No. 1 thing that we did wrong is ... we didn't tell people what we stood for."

Responding to the plan on Monday, President Trump tweeted that in releasing the plan, Democrats were admitting that it was their own fault they lost the election, and not Russian meddling.

Democrats say they want to double federal support for apprenticeship programs to help train young people and put out-of-work adults back in the work force. They also want tax incentives for companies to retrain workers, as well as new standards aimed at limiting corporate mergers that throw people out of work. In addition, the plan calls for lowering the cost of prescription drugs.

"We will aggressively crack down on unfair foreign trade and fight back against corporations that outsource American jobs," the Democratic leadership said in a statement. "We will fight to ensure a living wage for all Americans and keep our promise to millions of workers who earned a pension, Social Security and Medicare, so seniors can retire with dignity."

Berryville, with a population less than 5,000, is situated in one district that Democrats desperately would like to flip in 2018. It is currently represented by Republican Rep. Barbara Comstock and it stretches from just outside Washington to more rural parts of the state.

Writing in The Washington Post on Sunday, Pelosi said that since taking the reins in January, Republicans have squandered opportunities to help average Americans. "[Instead] of creating good-paying jobs, or rebuilding America's crumbling infrastructure, or advancing tax reform," she said, "Republicans have spent six months trying to raise Americans' health costs to fund tax breaks for billionaires."

Democrats need to wrest 24 Republican-held seats in the House to gain control of that chamber. In the Senate, however, they are playing defense, fighting to retain Democratic-held seats in states won by Trump.


Source

This missed a few things that the WSJ mentioned:

1) $15 minimum wage
2) Potential Medicare buy-in, Medicaid buy-in. And/or expanding Medicare to 55 and over.
3) More regulation on Wall Street
-------------------------------------------------------
I see it as a populist message designed to try to win back the union supporters they lost to Trump and offer enough to Progressives that they'll weaken their attacks on the establishment a little. We'll see how it turns out politically.

In terms of policy, it's an utter mess imo, but I didn't have high expectations. It's basically the "Here kids, I'll give you ice cream instead of vegetables!" approach that the Dems currently stand for.

Protectionism, higher minimum wage, more regulations on Wall Street (who knows why in 2017 though, other than the need for a boogieman), no entitlement reform (though they expand them), limiting mergers that cut jobs (??? we want support superfluous jobs in this country as welfare now?), and I'm sure identity politics aren't going anywhere.

The Dems and GOP really make it hard to decide which party is less damaging to vote for. We're either stuck with the ice cream party or the party that elected DJT.

@LordofAwesome: It's hard to accuse your opponents of being racist/sexist/whatever in a party platform without hurting yourself politically. I'm sure that theme will come back when the elections start.

At least they're trying for a message. It earns a golf clap from me. Economic message, health policy talk beyond "Obamacare now and forever," and trying to break apart Trump's populist coalition with anti-Wall Street talk and protectionism. It's the beginnings of a message that'll let them compete against Trump in 2020, even if it's still not fully developed for 2018. I'm predicting that Trump will be weak enough for the Dems to make inroads into his populist base; particularly if identity politics gets the back burner.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 24 2017 23:16 GMT
#163406
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-25 00:00:33
July 24 2017 23:17 GMT
#163407
Well gerrymandering is an issue, democratic party isn't losing in votes in many places they are 50/50 with republican votes but republicans controlled the redistricting in many states in 2010 and had a national agenda to gerrymander legally. Wisconsin is a good example of this effectively a 50/50 state but it's not reflected in the state or fed level, there is a court case making it's way to the surpeme court about it as it's a case of just pure partisan gerrymandering which isn't necessarily illegal it's just the supreme court has generally just pushed the issue aside because they could never come up with hard defined traits of it. It's why over the past 10 or so years there has been a push to civilian held committees to draw districts though ballot initiatives.
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-24 23:28:42
July 24 2017 23:26 GMT
#163408
Boy scouts speech seems to be going well



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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
July 24 2017 23:32 GMT
#163409
On July 25 2017 07:53 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2017 07:38 Wulfey_LA wrote:
This whole, "Dems need to be harder left and alienate the suburbs and exurbs harder" line is ridiculous. When Dems had the Blue Dogs, we passed ACA, Dodd-Frank, Stimulus, and got Supreme Court justice. Without them and those suburban and exurban seats? We have Paul Ryan. Also, check out the congressional vote totals in 2016. No, going harder left will do nothing to swing those marginal voters in the middle who switched over to Republicans.

Republicans captured the majority of the "popular vote" for the House on Election Day, collecting about 56.3 million votes while Democrats got about 53.2 million, according to USA TODAY calculations.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/11/10/democrats-won-popular-vote-senate-too/93598998/

It's not 2000 anymore. There is literally no such thing as a blue dog. Maybe Joe Manchin in WV, but that's a special state. They're all either dead or much further right. Politics has become increasingly polarized, there isn't really a center to appeal to anymore. Whoever gets their base to turn out in higher numbers will win. Especially democrats, there's a lot more in the country they're just far less enthusiastic than the GOP voters who would probably vote for a self-admitted demon if he was pro-life. They should be doing everything in their power to fire up their voters, not look for people who don't exist.

There may be a few blue dogs still in WV/KY, but those have to do with coal mining. The national party will have a hard time getting them back, but not outright shitting on them like Clinton did may make them winnable, I guess.

there most certainly is a center to still appeal to; politics may be polarized, and parts of the electorate are, but sizeable parts aren't. the amount of coverage each party provides has shrunk, i.e. they cover less of the electorate, the numbers of unenrolled or independent voters has gone up greatly, because many people have trouble fitting into either party.
aiming for the center can totally work well still. there may not be blue dog democrats, but that's more due to both parties shrinking in the range of views they cover. (of course it's hard to expand that range of views without getting into trouble with other members of the party due to infighting)
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Buckyman
Profile Joined May 2014
1364 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-24 23:47:13
July 24 2017 23:43 GMT
#163410
Regarding the earlier discussion on coal exports, I found a report from the US Energy Information Agency that it expects 2017 coal exports to increase 19% over 2016, with about 2/3 of the increase already having happened.

The report also says the US has the infrastructure in place to more than triple its coal exports overnight.

(source)

Some back-of-the-envelope math regarding domestic use vs export quantities shows that fully using the existing export infrastructure would be just about enough for the coal industry to recover to pre-Clean Power Plan strength.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 25 2017 00:35 GMT
#163411
On July 25 2017 08:43 Buckyman wrote:
Regarding the earlier discussion on coal exports, I found a report from the US Energy Information Agency that it expects 2017 coal exports to increase 19% over 2016, with about 2/3 of the increase already having happened.

The report also says the US has the infrastructure in place to more than triple its coal exports overnight.

(source)

Some back-of-the-envelope math regarding domestic use vs export quantities shows that fully using the existing export infrastructure would be just about enough for the coal industry to recover to pre-Clean Power Plan strength.


Great now find a country expanding on coal burning factories...
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-25 01:18:07
July 25 2017 00:49 GMT
#163412
this is simultaneously hilarious and depressing










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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
July 25 2017 00:50 GMT
#163413
On July 25 2017 09:35 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2017 08:43 Buckyman wrote:
Regarding the earlier discussion on coal exports, I found a report from the US Energy Information Agency that it expects 2017 coal exports to increase 19% over 2016, with about 2/3 of the increase already having happened.

The report also says the US has the infrastructure in place to more than triple its coal exports overnight.

(source)

Some back-of-the-envelope math regarding domestic use vs export quantities shows that fully using the existing export infrastructure would be just about enough for the coal industry to recover to pre-Clean Power Plan strength.


Great now find a country expanding on coal burning factories...

You know that estimates of expanding coal exports means other countries are desiring an increase in their coal imports, right?
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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14220 Posts
July 25 2017 00:58 GMT
#163414
On July 25 2017 09:35 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2017 08:43 Buckyman wrote:
Regarding the earlier discussion on coal exports, I found a report from the US Energy Information Agency that it expects 2017 coal exports to increase 19% over 2016, with about 2/3 of the increase already having happened.

The report also says the US has the infrastructure in place to more than triple its coal exports overnight.

(source)

Some back-of-the-envelope math regarding domestic use vs export quantities shows that fully using the existing export infrastructure would be just about enough for the coal industry to recover to pre-Clean Power Plan strength.


Great now find a country expanding on coal burning factories...

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-markets-idUSKBN1A901O

Theres always jhina. although the rest of the world is signaling that coal imports will end in a decade or less almost completly. Oddly enough Didn't thatcher close down most of the coal industry in the UK? She was pretty ahead of her time on that one.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 25 2017 01:03 GMT
#163415
On July 25 2017 09:58 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2017 09:35 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
On July 25 2017 08:43 Buckyman wrote:
Regarding the earlier discussion on coal exports, I found a report from the US Energy Information Agency that it expects 2017 coal exports to increase 19% over 2016, with about 2/3 of the increase already having happened.

The report also says the US has the infrastructure in place to more than triple its coal exports overnight.

(source)

Some back-of-the-envelope math regarding domestic use vs export quantities shows that fully using the existing export infrastructure would be just about enough for the coal industry to recover to pre-Clean Power Plan strength.


Great now find a country expanding on coal burning factories...

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-markets-idUSKBN1A901O

Theres always jhina. although the rest of the world is signaling that coal imports will end in a decade or less almost completly. Oddly enough Didn't thatcher close down most of the coal industry in the UK? She was pretty ahead of her time on that one.


China is building more renewable energy plant than the entire Western world not to mention they are suspending permits to build Coal Plants in almost the entire country to battle pollution etc.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
July 25 2017 01:11 GMT
#163416
On July 25 2017 08:43 Buckyman wrote:
Regarding the earlier discussion on coal exports, I found a report from the US Energy Information Agency that it expects 2017 coal exports to increase 19% over 2016, with about 2/3 of the increase already having happened.

The report also says the US has the infrastructure in place to more than triple its coal exports overnight.

(source)

Some back-of-the-envelope math regarding domestic use vs export quantities shows that fully using the existing export infrastructure would be just about enough for the coal industry to recover to pre-Clean Power Plan strength.


Switching away from coal is about the long term, not short term gains in 2017.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 25 2017 01:21 GMT
#163417
Again and again over the past year, Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan have had to decide what kind of behavior they are willing to tolerate from Donald Trump. Again and again, McConnell and Ryan have bowed down to Trump.

They have mumbled occasional words of protest, sometimes even harsh ones, like Ryan’s use of “racist” last year. Then they have gone back to supporting Trump.

The capitulation of McConnell and Ryan has created an impression — especially among many liberals — that congressional Republicans stand behind the president. McConnell and Ryan, after all, are the leaders of Congress, and they continue to push for the legislation Trump wants and to permit his kleptocratic governing.

But don’t be fooled: Republican support for the president has started to crack.

Below the leadership level, Republicans are defying Trump more often, and McConnell and Ryan aren’t always standing in their way. You can see this defiance in the bipartisan Senate investigation of the Russia scandal. You can see it in the deal on Russian sanctions. And you can see it in the Senate’s failure, so far at least, to pass a health care bill.

It’s true that we still don’t know how these stories will end. If the Senate passes a damaging health care bill or lets Trump halt the Russia investigation, I will revisit my assessment. For now, though, I think many political observers are missing the ways that parts of Trump’s own party have subtly begun to revolt.

Just listen to Trump himself. “It’s very sad that Republicans,” he wrote in a weekend Twitter rant, “do very little to protect their President.” In a historical sense, he is right. Members of Congress usually support a new president of their own party much more strongly than Republicans are now.

They typically understand that a young presidency offers the rare opportunity for sweeping legislation — like the Reagan tax cut, the George W. Bush tax cut, the Clinton deficit plan and the Obama stimulus, health bill and financial regulation. Some intraparty tensions are unavoidable, and defectors kill some legislation — as happened with the Clinton health plan and the Obama climate plan. But partisan loyalty is the norm.

Congress members tend to echo White House talking points fulsomely. They find the votes to pass bills. They defend the president against scandal. And the loyalty doesn’t stop in the first year. During Watergate, as the political scientist Jonathan Bernstein has noted, most Republicans stood by Richard Nixon until almost the bitter end.

Matt Glassman, another political scientist, is one of the sharper observers of the White House-Congress relationship, and I asked him to put the current situation in context. Glassman said that many progressives have made the mistake of comparing how they want Congress to treat Trump with what it is doing. The more relevant yardstick is how Congress’s treatment compares historically.

“The current congressional G.O.P. seems less supportive and more constraining of the Potus than basically any in history,” Glassman wrote to me, “save the unique circumstances of Andrew Johnson (who wasn’t really a Republican) and John Tyler (who bucked his party aggressively), neither of whom were elected.”

Many of today’s Republicans avoid going on television as Trump surrogates. They mock him off the record, and increasingly on the record, too. In recent weeks, eight senators have publicly stood in the way of a health care bill. Republican senators are also helping to conduct an investigation of Trump’s campaign and have backed the appointment of Robert Mueller as special counsel.

One reason is that they don’t fear Trump. About 90 percent of Republican House members won a larger vote share in their district last year than Trump did, according to Sarah Binder of George Washington University. Since he took office, Trump’s nationwide net approval rating has fallen to minus 16 (with only 39 percent approving) from plus 4.

So it’s not just Republican politicians who are inching away from Trump. Republican voters are, too.

None of this is meant to suggest that congressional Republicans have been profiles in courage. They haven’t been. They have mostly stood by as Trump has lied compulsively, denigrated the rule of law and tried to shred the modern safety net. But they have put up just enough resistance to keep him from doing far more damage than he otherwise would have.

In the months ahead, unfortunately, that level of resistance is unlikely to be sufficient. Trump has made clear that he isn’t finished trying to take health insurance away from millions of people or trying to hide the truth about his Russia ties. “The constitutional crisis won’t be if Trump fires Mueller,” as the A.C.L.U.’s Kate Oh put it. “The constitutional crisis is if Congress takes no real action in response.”

For now, anxious optimism — or maybe optimistic anxiety — seems the appropriate attitude.


Source
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
July 25 2017 01:32 GMT
#163418
Just curious what thoughts are on this in the thread :
Poll: By the end of the year, Jeff Sessions will be

Resigned (9)
 
50%

Continuing as Attorney General past year's end (5)
 
28%

Fired by Trump (4)
 
22%

18 total votes

Your vote: By the end of the year, Jeff Sessions will be

(Vote): Fired by Trump
(Vote): Resigned
(Vote): Continuing as Attorney General past year's end



{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 25 2017 01:36 GMT
#163419
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
July 25 2017 01:40 GMT
#163420
I dunno, that's not really all that bad.

I'm sure those kids are all dreaming of one day grabbing a pussy of their own, but that specific thing seems like a nonissue. "Interesting life" can mean literally anything.
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