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On July 25 2017 05:26 Mohdoo wrote:What does being in the west wing mean?
Could be he was being asked to resign. That is the rumor anyway
Edit: That or something along those lines. It is clear trump is not happy with him.
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On July 25 2017 05:26 Mohdoo wrote:What does being in the west wing mean?
The West Wing is the political end of the White House. So AG Sessions is at work basically.
I didn't really understand the point of the tweet. I took it as a confirmation that Sessions hadn't resigned... though I had no reason to believe he was going to resign today and it would probably get reported before Sessions stops showing up to the West Wing so it meant essentially nothing to me.
Maybe I missed something and someone will correct me.
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Trump literally tweeted today that Sessions was "beleaguered." Not exactly a vote of confidence from Trump, especially since much of that pressure came from Trump himself. Coupled with the Giuliani rumors, wouldn't be shocked if Sessions is gone this week.
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On July 25 2017 05:37 On_Slaught wrote:
Trump literally tweeted today that Sessions was "beleaguered." Not exactly a vote of confidence from Trump, especially since much of that pressure came from Trump himself. Coupled with the Giuliani rumors, wouldn't be shocked if Sessions is gone this week.
Are you insinuating that Trump knows the word "beleaguered"?
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On July 25 2017 05:40 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2017 05:37 On_Slaught wrote:
Trump literally tweeted today that Sessions was "beleaguered." Not exactly a vote of confidence from Trump, especially since much of that pressure came from Trump himself. Coupled with the Giuliani rumors, wouldn't be shocked if Sessions is gone this week. Are you insinuating that Trump knows the word "beleaguered"?
Yeah he definitely heard it from one of his lawyer.
Like a kid picking words from his parents without context.
Or someone picked him up word-a-day toilet paper.
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On July 25 2017 03:37 Wegandi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2017 02:47 nojok wrote:"Exploitative private American hospital?" How about "disconnected, elitist death panels." Two can play the game of partisan ridicule. But sure, recommend death to babies because you like to privilege some doctors over other doctors. Of course, also recommend they languish in hospitals as the treatment option gets less and less likely to cure because it's demanded from your ideology. I've been involved in those death panels, they're very dignifying for the patient and it's a very careful decision with the interest of the patient in mind. On the other hand, private hospitals (or any lucrative business around healthcare) will try to grab as much money as possible without giving a shit about the patients. Once again, you're trying to swap facts and opinions. The corruption of the medical industry and the end of life discussions are both very well documented. You obviously know nothing about the US or its healthcare system.
Outside of actually providing care in nearly identical hospitals? Isn't that the core of a healthcare system? I know a fair bit about the part which matters the most and I've witnessed the difference between for-profit hospitals and non-profit hospitals and the salesmen's dance around doctors. I also educated myself on the different ways of funding the healthcare sytem in various countries, thanks.
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I'm not ruling out that he thinks it means "B-League(r)"
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On July 25 2017 05:54 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2017 03:37 Wegandi wrote:On July 25 2017 02:47 nojok wrote:"Exploitative private American hospital?" How about "disconnected, elitist death panels." Two can play the game of partisan ridicule. But sure, recommend death to babies because you like to privilege some doctors over other doctors. Of course, also recommend they languish in hospitals as the treatment option gets less and less likely to cure because it's demanded from your ideology. I've been involved in those death panels, they're very dignifying for the patient and it's a very careful decision with the interest of the patient in mind. On the other hand, private hospitals (or any lucrative business around healthcare) will try to grab as much money as possible without giving a shit about the patients. Once again, you're trying to swap facts and opinions. The corruption of the medical industry and the end of life discussions are both very well documented. You obviously know nothing about the US or its healthcare system. Outside of actually providing care in nearly identical hospitals? Isn't that the core of a healthcare system? I know a fair bit about the part which matters the most and I've witnessed the difference between for-profit hospitals and non-profit hospitals and the salesmen's dance around doctors. I also educated myself on the different ways of funding the healthcare sytem in various countries, thanks.
It's common practice among free market healthcare advocates to insist that everyone who disagrees doesn't understand economics, the US system, or both. When faced with arguments in favor of socialized medicine, be they the unfitness of healthcare as a market good, the policy implications of herd-related health/immunity, or our basic moral commitment to not let people die on the curb outside hospitals, the free market folk usually run away or mutter some hand wavey shit about how no one truly realizes how amazing deregulation actually is.
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On July 25 2017 05:55 GreenHorizons wrote:
I'm not ruling out that he thinks it means "B-League(r)"
Ah that's true. "I'm the best; I'm in the A-League. But Lyin' Ted and Crooked Hillary and Old Guy Sanders are real B-leaguers."
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Two big problems. A Papa John's slogan, and Nancy Pelosi who is so pro Corporate and arrogant that she refuses to budge to allow younger leaders to gain insight into the party.
Six months after Republicans gained control of the White House and both houses of Congress, Democrats have outlined a plan to improve their chances of methodically taking it all back.
They are leaning heavily on a re-branding of their greatest hits — more and better-paying jobs, lowering health care costs and cracking down on the what are seen as the abuses of big business.
As an agenda and a slogan, "A Better Deal," hearkens back to the days of President Franklin Roosevelt. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer went 50 miles outside the Beltway, to Berryville, Va., to unveil it, hoping the ideas will resonate with suburban voters, many of whom were energized by Trump's campaign-trail populism.
"When you lose an election with someone who has, say, 40 percent popularity, you look in the mirror and say what did we do wrong?" Schumer said, speaking on ABC's This Week Sunday. "And the No. 1 thing that we did wrong is ... we didn't tell people what we stood for."
Responding to the plan on Monday, President Trump tweeted that in releasing the plan, Democrats were admitting that it was their own fault they lost the election, and not Russian meddling.
Democrats say they want to double federal support for apprenticeship programs to help train young people and put out-of-work adults back in the work force. They also want tax incentives for companies to retrain workers, as well as new standards aimed at limiting corporate mergers that throw people out of work. In addition, the plan calls for lowering the cost of prescription drugs.
"We will aggressively crack down on unfair foreign trade and fight back against corporations that outsource American jobs," the Democratic leadership said in a statement. "We will fight to ensure a living wage for all Americans and keep our promise to millions of workers who earned a pension, Social Security and Medicare, so seniors can retire with dignity."
Berryville, with a population less than 5,000, is situated in one district that Democrats desperately would like to flip in 2018. It is currently represented by Republican Rep. Barbara Comstock and it stretches from just outside Washington to more rural parts of the state.
Writing in The Washington Post on Sunday, Pelosi said that since taking the reins in January, Republicans have squandered opportunities to help average Americans. "[Instead] of creating good-paying jobs, or rebuilding America's crumbling infrastructure, or advancing tax reform," she said, "Republicans have spent six months trying to raise Americans' health costs to fund tax breaks for billionaires."
Democrats need to wrest 24 Republican-held seats in the House to gain control of that chamber. In the Senate, however, they are playing defense, fighting to retain Democratic-held seats in states won by Trump.
Source
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On July 25 2017 06:27 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Two big problems. A Papa John's slogan, and Nancy Pelosi who is so pro Corporate and arrogant that she refuses to budge to allow younger leaders to gain insight into the party. Show nested quote +Six months after Republicans gained control of the White House and both houses of Congress, Democrats have outlined a plan to improve their chances of methodically taking it all back.
They are leaning heavily on a re-branding of their greatest hits — more and better-paying jobs, lowering health care costs and cracking down on the what are seen as the abuses of big business.
As an agenda and a slogan, "A Better Deal," hearkens back to the days of President Franklin Roosevelt. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer went 50 miles outside the Beltway, to Berryville, Va., to unveil it, hoping the ideas will resonate with suburban voters, many of whom were energized by Trump's campaign-trail populism.
"When you lose an election with someone who has, say, 40 percent popularity, you look in the mirror and say what did we do wrong?" Schumer said, speaking on ABC's This Week Sunday. "And the No. 1 thing that we did wrong is ... we didn't tell people what we stood for."
Responding to the plan on Monday, President Trump tweeted that in releasing the plan, Democrats were admitting that it was their own fault they lost the election, and not Russian meddling.
Democrats say they want to double federal support for apprenticeship programs to help train young people and put out-of-work adults back in the work force. They also want tax incentives for companies to retrain workers, as well as new standards aimed at limiting corporate mergers that throw people out of work. In addition, the plan calls for lowering the cost of prescription drugs.
"We will aggressively crack down on unfair foreign trade and fight back against corporations that outsource American jobs," the Democratic leadership said in a statement. "We will fight to ensure a living wage for all Americans and keep our promise to millions of workers who earned a pension, Social Security and Medicare, so seniors can retire with dignity."
Berryville, with a population less than 5,000, is situated in one district that Democrats desperately would like to flip in 2018. It is currently represented by Republican Rep. Barbara Comstock and it stretches from just outside Washington to more rural parts of the state.
Writing in The Washington Post on Sunday, Pelosi said that since taking the reins in January, Republicans have squandered opportunities to help average Americans. "[Instead] of creating good-paying jobs, or rebuilding America's crumbling infrastructure, or advancing tax reform," she said, "Republicans have spent six months trying to raise Americans' health costs to fund tax breaks for billionaires."
Democrats need to wrest 24 Republican-held seats in the House to gain control of that chamber. In the Senate, however, they are playing defense, fighting to retain Democratic-held seats in states won by Trump. Source
I actually like this approach. I feel they took away the lessons they needed from 2016 (At least they are saying that they have. they need to put it into action)
This shows real promise for the DNC to me
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On July 25 2017 06:46 IyMoon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2017 06:27 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Two big problems. A Papa John's slogan, and Nancy Pelosi who is so pro Corporate and arrogant that she refuses to budge to allow younger leaders to gain insight into the party. Six months after Republicans gained control of the White House and both houses of Congress, Democrats have outlined a plan to improve their chances of methodically taking it all back.
They are leaning heavily on a re-branding of their greatest hits — more and better-paying jobs, lowering health care costs and cracking down on the what are seen as the abuses of big business.
As an agenda and a slogan, "A Better Deal," hearkens back to the days of President Franklin Roosevelt. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer went 50 miles outside the Beltway, to Berryville, Va., to unveil it, hoping the ideas will resonate with suburban voters, many of whom were energized by Trump's campaign-trail populism.
"When you lose an election with someone who has, say, 40 percent popularity, you look in the mirror and say what did we do wrong?" Schumer said, speaking on ABC's This Week Sunday. "And the No. 1 thing that we did wrong is ... we didn't tell people what we stood for."
Responding to the plan on Monday, President Trump tweeted that in releasing the plan, Democrats were admitting that it was their own fault they lost the election, and not Russian meddling.
Democrats say they want to double federal support for apprenticeship programs to help train young people and put out-of-work adults back in the work force. They also want tax incentives for companies to retrain workers, as well as new standards aimed at limiting corporate mergers that throw people out of work. In addition, the plan calls for lowering the cost of prescription drugs.
"We will aggressively crack down on unfair foreign trade and fight back against corporations that outsource American jobs," the Democratic leadership said in a statement. "We will fight to ensure a living wage for all Americans and keep our promise to millions of workers who earned a pension, Social Security and Medicare, so seniors can retire with dignity."
Berryville, with a population less than 5,000, is situated in one district that Democrats desperately would like to flip in 2018. It is currently represented by Republican Rep. Barbara Comstock and it stretches from just outside Washington to more rural parts of the state.
Writing in The Washington Post on Sunday, Pelosi said that since taking the reins in January, Republicans have squandered opportunities to help average Americans. "[Instead] of creating good-paying jobs, or rebuilding America's crumbling infrastructure, or advancing tax reform," she said, "Republicans have spent six months trying to raise Americans' health costs to fund tax breaks for billionaires."
Democrats need to wrest 24 Republican-held seats in the House to gain control of that chamber. In the Senate, however, they are playing defense, fighting to retain Democratic-held seats in states won by Trump. Source I actually like this approach. I feel they took away the lessons they needed from 2016 (At least they are saying that they have. they need to put it into action) This shows real promise for the DNC to me
I'm a little bit more skeptical, unfortunately. Especially when Schumer said "And the No. 1 thing that we did wrong is ... we didn't tell people what we stood for" and then later on with the list of their ideas. I understood those ideas, loud and clear. I knew what Bernie's and Hillary's and the DNC's plans were regarding healthcare, education, and all the other big platforms.
I thought that the #1 thing that the Democratic establishment did wrong was that their overall message was more towards the center and they wouldn't even entertain moving left or supporting anyone who was to the left of their message, leaving Bernie supporters and anti-establishment liberals feeling disenfranchised, and so they didn't vote in the general election or didn't vote for Hillary. When you have a person like Bernie getting new people engaged and enthusiastic, you can't just cut him off and expect his supporters to stick with you.
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On July 25 2017 06:51 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2017 06:46 IyMoon wrote:On July 25 2017 06:27 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Two big problems. A Papa John's slogan, and Nancy Pelosi who is so pro Corporate and arrogant that she refuses to budge to allow younger leaders to gain insight into the party. Six months after Republicans gained control of the White House and both houses of Congress, Democrats have outlined a plan to improve their chances of methodically taking it all back.
They are leaning heavily on a re-branding of their greatest hits — more and better-paying jobs, lowering health care costs and cracking down on the what are seen as the abuses of big business.
As an agenda and a slogan, "A Better Deal," hearkens back to the days of President Franklin Roosevelt. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer went 50 miles outside the Beltway, to Berryville, Va., to unveil it, hoping the ideas will resonate with suburban voters, many of whom were energized by Trump's campaign-trail populism.
"When you lose an election with someone who has, say, 40 percent popularity, you look in the mirror and say what did we do wrong?" Schumer said, speaking on ABC's This Week Sunday. "And the No. 1 thing that we did wrong is ... we didn't tell people what we stood for."
Responding to the plan on Monday, President Trump tweeted that in releasing the plan, Democrats were admitting that it was their own fault they lost the election, and not Russian meddling.
Democrats say they want to double federal support for apprenticeship programs to help train young people and put out-of-work adults back in the work force. They also want tax incentives for companies to retrain workers, as well as new standards aimed at limiting corporate mergers that throw people out of work. In addition, the plan calls for lowering the cost of prescription drugs.
"We will aggressively crack down on unfair foreign trade and fight back against corporations that outsource American jobs," the Democratic leadership said in a statement. "We will fight to ensure a living wage for all Americans and keep our promise to millions of workers who earned a pension, Social Security and Medicare, so seniors can retire with dignity."
Berryville, with a population less than 5,000, is situated in one district that Democrats desperately would like to flip in 2018. It is currently represented by Republican Rep. Barbara Comstock and it stretches from just outside Washington to more rural parts of the state.
Writing in The Washington Post on Sunday, Pelosi said that since taking the reins in January, Republicans have squandered opportunities to help average Americans. "[Instead] of creating good-paying jobs, or rebuilding America's crumbling infrastructure, or advancing tax reform," she said, "Republicans have spent six months trying to raise Americans' health costs to fund tax breaks for billionaires."
Democrats need to wrest 24 Republican-held seats in the House to gain control of that chamber. In the Senate, however, they are playing defense, fighting to retain Democratic-held seats in states won by Trump. Source I actually like this approach. I feel they took away the lessons they needed from 2016 (At least they are saying that they have. they need to put it into action) This shows real promise for the DNC to me I'm a little bit more skeptical, unfortunately. Especially when Schumer said "And the No. 1 thing that we did wrong is ... we didn't tell people what we stood for" and then later on with the list of their ideas. I understood those ideas, loud and clear. I knew what Bernie's and Hillary's and the DNC's plans were regarding healthcare, education, and all the other big platforms. I thought that the #1 thing that the Democratic establishment did wrong was that their overall message was more towards the center and they wouldn't even entertain moving left or supporting anyone who was to the left of their message, leaving Bernie supporters and anti-establishment liberals feeling disenfranchised, and so they didn't vote in the general election or didn't vote for Hillary. When you have a person like Bernie getting new people engaged and enthusiastic, you can't just cut him off and expect his supporters to stick with you.
I have to disagree with you there. The Democrats' problem in the 2016 election was not that they were insufficiently far to the left.
EDIT: This actually looks to me like one of the most constructive things the Democrat party has done in a long time. No crying about racism or sexism or homophobia or Islamophobia or arachnophobia or any other -ism or -phobia. Instead it is a refocusing of the Democrat message, to try and make the Democrats a party of the working class, like it was in the past with FDR.
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Dems can come up with all kinds of expensive and even good slogans, but if a voter really has that white grievance in them, then it won't make a damned difference. DJT speaks to the need to punish and box in the other, and Dems don't. Either Dems get the whole Obama coalition together, or they lose. Here's my suggested message for the Dems
(1) Reinforcing Civil Rights
(2) Expanding Public Investment
(3) Restoring Professionalism in Government
(1) Includes laws that: restore VRA, sentencing reform, labor rights reinforcement (card check), and immigration pathways to citizenship.
(2) Includes laws that: repair Republican damage to ACA, expand medicaid/medicare coverage, invest in sciences and administrative state, and allow medicaid/medicare buyins.
(3) This is running on not being Trump. Everyone makes fun of this, but it is a real thing worth running on. The Trumpkins and Republicans in the legislature are buffoons that can't govern (see demonstrative legislative failures).
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On July 25 2017 06:51 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2017 06:46 IyMoon wrote:On July 25 2017 06:27 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Two big problems. A Papa John's slogan, and Nancy Pelosi who is so pro Corporate and arrogant that she refuses to budge to allow younger leaders to gain insight into the party. Six months after Republicans gained control of the White House and both houses of Congress, Democrats have outlined a plan to improve their chances of methodically taking it all back.
They are leaning heavily on a re-branding of their greatest hits — more and better-paying jobs, lowering health care costs and cracking down on the what are seen as the abuses of big business.
As an agenda and a slogan, "A Better Deal," hearkens back to the days of President Franklin Roosevelt. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer went 50 miles outside the Beltway, to Berryville, Va., to unveil it, hoping the ideas will resonate with suburban voters, many of whom were energized by Trump's campaign-trail populism.
"When you lose an election with someone who has, say, 40 percent popularity, you look in the mirror and say what did we do wrong?" Schumer said, speaking on ABC's This Week Sunday. "And the No. 1 thing that we did wrong is ... we didn't tell people what we stood for."
Responding to the plan on Monday, President Trump tweeted that in releasing the plan, Democrats were admitting that it was their own fault they lost the election, and not Russian meddling.
Democrats say they want to double federal support for apprenticeship programs to help train young people and put out-of-work adults back in the work force. They also want tax incentives for companies to retrain workers, as well as new standards aimed at limiting corporate mergers that throw people out of work. In addition, the plan calls for lowering the cost of prescription drugs.
"We will aggressively crack down on unfair foreign trade and fight back against corporations that outsource American jobs," the Democratic leadership said in a statement. "We will fight to ensure a living wage for all Americans and keep our promise to millions of workers who earned a pension, Social Security and Medicare, so seniors can retire with dignity."
Berryville, with a population less than 5,000, is situated in one district that Democrats desperately would like to flip in 2018. It is currently represented by Republican Rep. Barbara Comstock and it stretches from just outside Washington to more rural parts of the state.
Writing in The Washington Post on Sunday, Pelosi said that since taking the reins in January, Republicans have squandered opportunities to help average Americans. "[Instead] of creating good-paying jobs, or rebuilding America's crumbling infrastructure, or advancing tax reform," she said, "Republicans have spent six months trying to raise Americans' health costs to fund tax breaks for billionaires."
Democrats need to wrest 24 Republican-held seats in the House to gain control of that chamber. In the Senate, however, they are playing defense, fighting to retain Democratic-held seats in states won by Trump. Source I actually like this approach. I feel they took away the lessons they needed from 2016 (At least they are saying that they have. they need to put it into action) This shows real promise for the DNC to me I'm a little bit more skeptical, unfortunately. Especially when Schumer said "And the No. 1 thing that we did wrong is ... we didn't tell people what we stood for" and then later on with the list of their ideas. I understood those ideas, loud and clear. I knew what Bernie's and Hillary's and the DNC's plans were regarding healthcare, education, and all the other big platforms. I thought that the #1 thing that the Democratic establishment did wrong was that their overall message was more towards the center and they wouldn't even entertain moving left or supporting anyone who was to the left of their message, leaving Bernie supporters and anti-establishment liberals feeling disenfranchised, and so they didn't vote in the general election or didn't vote for Hillary. When you have a person like Bernie getting new people engaged and enthusiastic, you can't just cut him off and expect his supporters to stick with you.
Unfortunately, most voters are not like you. Campaign platforms are almost entirely ignored if those aren't part of your TV ads and slogans.
And Trump and the Republicans definitely memed better.
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On July 25 2017 07:05 TheLordofAwesome wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2017 06:51 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 25 2017 06:46 IyMoon wrote:On July 25 2017 06:27 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Two big problems. A Papa John's slogan, and Nancy Pelosi who is so pro Corporate and arrogant that she refuses to budge to allow younger leaders to gain insight into the party. Six months after Republicans gained control of the White House and both houses of Congress, Democrats have outlined a plan to improve their chances of methodically taking it all back.
They are leaning heavily on a re-branding of their greatest hits — more and better-paying jobs, lowering health care costs and cracking down on the what are seen as the abuses of big business.
As an agenda and a slogan, "A Better Deal," hearkens back to the days of President Franklin Roosevelt. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer went 50 miles outside the Beltway, to Berryville, Va., to unveil it, hoping the ideas will resonate with suburban voters, many of whom were energized by Trump's campaign-trail populism.
"When you lose an election with someone who has, say, 40 percent popularity, you look in the mirror and say what did we do wrong?" Schumer said, speaking on ABC's This Week Sunday. "And the No. 1 thing that we did wrong is ... we didn't tell people what we stood for."
Responding to the plan on Monday, President Trump tweeted that in releasing the plan, Democrats were admitting that it was their own fault they lost the election, and not Russian meddling.
Democrats say they want to double federal support for apprenticeship programs to help train young people and put out-of-work adults back in the work force. They also want tax incentives for companies to retrain workers, as well as new standards aimed at limiting corporate mergers that throw people out of work. In addition, the plan calls for lowering the cost of prescription drugs.
"We will aggressively crack down on unfair foreign trade and fight back against corporations that outsource American jobs," the Democratic leadership said in a statement. "We will fight to ensure a living wage for all Americans and keep our promise to millions of workers who earned a pension, Social Security and Medicare, so seniors can retire with dignity."
Berryville, with a population less than 5,000, is situated in one district that Democrats desperately would like to flip in 2018. It is currently represented by Republican Rep. Barbara Comstock and it stretches from just outside Washington to more rural parts of the state.
Writing in The Washington Post on Sunday, Pelosi said that since taking the reins in January, Republicans have squandered opportunities to help average Americans. "[Instead] of creating good-paying jobs, or rebuilding America's crumbling infrastructure, or advancing tax reform," she said, "Republicans have spent six months trying to raise Americans' health costs to fund tax breaks for billionaires."
Democrats need to wrest 24 Republican-held seats in the House to gain control of that chamber. In the Senate, however, they are playing defense, fighting to retain Democratic-held seats in states won by Trump. Source I actually like this approach. I feel they took away the lessons they needed from 2016 (At least they are saying that they have. they need to put it into action) This shows real promise for the DNC to me I'm a little bit more skeptical, unfortunately. Especially when Schumer said "And the No. 1 thing that we did wrong is ... we didn't tell people what we stood for" and then later on with the list of their ideas. I understood those ideas, loud and clear. I knew what Bernie's and Hillary's and the DNC's plans were regarding healthcare, education, and all the other big platforms. I thought that the #1 thing that the Democratic establishment did wrong was that their overall message was more towards the center and they wouldn't even entertain moving left or supporting anyone who was to the left of their message, leaving Bernie supporters and anti-establishment liberals feeling disenfranchised, and so they didn't vote in the general election or didn't vote for Hillary. When you have a person like Bernie getting new people engaged and enthusiastic, you can't just cut him off and expect his supporters to stick with you. I have to disagree with you there. The Democrats' problem in the 2016 election was not that they were insufficiently far to the left.
And you don't think it was because they disenfranchised Bernie supporters and anti-establishment liberals to the point where they didn't vote for Hillary?
What do you think the primary problem was? Do you agree with Schumer about the #1 reason being not getting their message out?
Edit: You edited your post and now I see it. Thanks 
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Simply a dysfunctional administration.
Secretary of State Rex Tillerson is growing increasingly frustrated with the Trump administration and could quit before the year is through, according to reports.
Two sources familiar with Tillerson’s conversations with friends told CNN over the weekend that he has grown so frustrated with President Donald Trump and his administration that there may soon be a “Rexit.”
The change in Tillerson’s tone followed a stressful week for the secretary of state. He was found to have violated U.S. sanctions against Russia while working as CEO of Exxon Mobil. Also, Trump publicly assailed one of Tillerson’s fellow Cabinet members, Attorney General Jeff Sessions, saying he regretted hiring him.
Tillerson, the sources said, viewed Trump’s comments as unprofessional.
www.yahoo.com
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On July 25 2017 02:19 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2017 02:06 Yurie wrote:On July 25 2017 01:59 Simberto wrote:
I still wonder why everyone in the running needs to be 70+
Don't you have any younger competent people? Younger does not even need to mean "young", but i think it should mean "before the age of retirement".
Agreed. Trump shows signs of age related mental problems (according to some professionals) and any person at that age will have a much higher chance for illnesses and accidents that impact a term. I like Bernie's platform but would likely not vote for him due to his age and the likely problems it would cause. Would a strong VP runningmate change your mind about voting for a Sanders/ X ticket?
Not really. I would suggest running that VP as the main candidate and put Sanders as VP instead where he can use his popularity but not be a major hindrance near the end of his terms.
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