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Nevuk
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Plansix
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On June 28 2017 02:03 ticklishmusic wrote: i don't know. i had a discussion a little while back about it with someone from chicago, but the problem has been around for a few decades - basically government just kept passing the buck. it's pretty insane. state employees retired in their 50's and got full benefits and no one ever bothered actually trying to figure out how to pay for all of it. That sounds like some left over union legacy issue that can only be solved through bankruptcy. Not really shocked that the city of organized crime had shitty unions cutting deals that were not viable long term. Rhode Island had a bunch of the same problems, but they are tiny and no one cares about them. Though an entire state going through bankruptcy is a terrible solution to a political problem. To bad they can't declare partial bankruptcy for pension obligations. But that isn't how the process works. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
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farvacola
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Plansix
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Yurie
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On June 28 2017 02:48 Plansix wrote: Remember when politics was boring? No? Seemed interesting 2000 BCE and still seems so if you look around. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
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On June 28 2017 00:02 Velr wrote: Losing a popularity contest maybe makes you a bad candidate, it doesn't make you crooked, corrupt or whatever... AND she lost, why is she brought up again and again? Keep in mind that on top of all that, Hillary actually won the popularity contest! | ||
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zlefin
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On June 28 2017 03:02 Plansix wrote: Now the real question begins, how do they improve the bill? Do they scrap it and go to the democrats? Or do they try slide it through again with 50 votes? I dunno; I'd assume the plan is to try to make the bill somehwat palatable, but still not good; let it get voted down, then complain about the people who voted it down. at least that seems like it would be the standard political play. | ||
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ticklishmusic
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ticklishmusic
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On June 28 2017 03:27 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Have we ever had a President this superficial? https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/879763701385048064 fake news? | ||
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Plansix
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On June 28 2017 03:24 ticklishmusic wrote: mcconnell would probably rather drink battery acid than work with schumer He was in the senate during the Bush administration. He knew how to oppose Obama, but I think he also knows that his party is super fucked if they don’t get anything passed. Or he is an idiot and thinks they can just blame the democrats for not working with them. | ||
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On_Slaught
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On June 28 2017 03:02 Plansix wrote: Now the real question begins, how do they improve the bill? Do they scrap it and go to the democrats? Or do they try slide it through again with 50 votes? Scrap it and move on to budget/taxes. Healthcare is unwinnable at this point and they know it. | ||
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ticklishmusic
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On June 28 2017 03:30 Plansix wrote: He was in the senate during the Bush administration. He knew how to oppose Obama, but I think he also knows that his party is super fucked if they don’t get anything passed. Or he is an idiot and thinks they can just blame the democrats for not working with them. they were shortsighted. sure they got gorsuch out of it, but what's the rest of the endgame after years of obstruction? | ||
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Plansix
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On June 28 2017 03:35 On_Slaught wrote: Scrap it and move on to budget/taxes. Healthcare is unwinnable at this point and they know it. Here is the problem, those two issues are just as hard. Taxes is worse than healthcare and they need 60 votes. On June 28 2017 03:36 ticklishmusic wrote: they were shortsighted. sure they got gorsuch out of it, but what's the rest of the endgame after years of obstruction? Win elections against a messageless Democratic party. If we get a resurgent Democratic party with a clear message that can be competitive, the GOP will have to step up its game. Right now this is the battle of asthmatic hamsters. No one has to step up their game with viable candidates. Frat boy Paul Ryan has no business being speaker. | ||
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Doodsmack
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Tachion
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On June 28 2017 03:36 Plansix wrote: Here is the problem, those two issues are just as hard. Taxes is worse than healthcare and they need 60 votes. Win elections against a messageless Democratic party. If we get a resurgent Democratic party with a clear message that can be competitive, the GOP will have to step up its game. Right now this is the battle of asthmatic hamsters. No one has to step up their game with viable candidates. Frat boy Paul Ryan has no business being speaker. I thought they only needed 51 votes for tax reform due to bypassing the filibuster through the budget reconciliation process? They can't move on to taxes though according to senate rules until they either pass or drop healthcare. | ||
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