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A morning commute for New Yorkers turned into a chaotic scene today when a subway car slammed into a tunnel wall, derailing two of the subway trains' cars and forcing passengers to walk underground through the smoke and darkness.
Six patients suffered minor injuries after one car of a southbound A train hit the wall of a tunnel at West 128th Street and Saint Nicholas Avenue in Harlem. One patient refused medical treatment and transportation.
The incident, described by the New York City Emergency Management Department as a partial derailment, caused a power outage affecting all six tracks from West 119th Street to West 125th Street. All passengers were evacuated.
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This is the second time this month that the NYC subway has had critical issues. Getting trapped in a subway tunnel is extremely dangerous in the summer. It is just dangerous in the winter. While DC haggles in the decade long struggle over if sick and poor people should be able to buy affordable healthcare, the rest of the country deals with issues that have been building up for decades.
Just to be clear, the subway systems in our major cities were not build by the cities themselves. They were partnerships between the federal goverment and the city. These cities much have these systems to function.
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So question for all of you big spenders on the left. What's your solution for the mess in Illinois?
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On June 28 2017 01:37 xDaunt wrote:
So question for all of you big spenders on the left. What's your solution for the mess in Illinois?
Up taxes while lowering spending? Boom, solved.
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On June 28 2017 01:37 xDaunt wrote:
So question for all of you big spenders on the left. What's your solution for the mess in Illinois?
hmm; not sure yet; hadn't heard much about it before. It'll take me a few hours to solve probably.
If you have any links succinctly covering the problem I might have an answer faster.
I assume of course that I don't have to worry about the politics of getting a solution through; since that's where the actual hard part is. making a sound budget is easy, getting it passed isn't.
Illinois is the place where half the ex-governors have been convicted, right? now that's a bad record of electing people.
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If this were a city in any normal state, they would be in receivership by now. But states don't work like that. The master plan of taxing the rich when they can easily pack up and leave seems to have backfired. Because there is always another state willing to accept those rich tax payers at a lower cost.
On June 28 2017 01:40 IyMoon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2017 01:37 xDaunt wrote:
So question for all of you big spenders on the left. What's your solution for the mess in Illinois? Up taxes while lowering spending? Boom, solved.
They upped the taxes already. The tax payers fled the state. If your state is planning on taxing more that Massachusetts, their plan is bad. And Chicago is a dumpster fire.
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Isn't the problem in Illinois basically corruption in chicago? If you can solve corruption you deserve a Nobel prize
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Sell the state to Canada.
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On June 28 2017 01:46 Plansix wrote:If this were a city in any normal state, they would be in receivership by now. But states don't work like that. The master plan of taxing the rich when they can easily pack up and leave seems to have backfired. Because there is always another state willing to accept those rich tax payers at a lower cost. Show nested quote +On June 28 2017 01:40 IyMoon wrote:On June 28 2017 01:37 xDaunt wrote:
So question for all of you big spenders on the left. What's your solution for the mess in Illinois? Up taxes while lowering spending? Boom, solved. They upped the taxes already. The tax payers fled the state. If your state is planning on taxing more that Massachusetts, their plan is bad. And Chicago is a dumpster fire.
but did they cut spending as well? Because if they did then I am out of ideas
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For those who are not aware of how amazingly messed up Chicago is, here is a tiny slice:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/19/homan-square-chicago-police-disappeared-thousands
Police “disappeared” more than 7,000 people at an off-the-books interrogation warehouse in Chicago, nearly twice as many detentions as previously disclosed, the Guardian can now reveal.
From August 2004 to June 2015, nearly 6,000 of those held at the facility were black, which represents more than twice the proportion of the city’s population. But only 68 of those held were allowed access to attorneys or a public notice of their whereabouts, internal police records show.
The police portrayals contrast sharply with those of Homan Square detainees and their lawyers, who insist that “if this could happen to someone, it could happen to anyone”. A 30-year-old man named Jose, for example, was one of the few detainees with an attorney present when he surrendered to police. He said officers at the warehouse questioned him even after his lawyer specifically told them he would not speak.
“The Fillmore and Homan boys,” Jose said, referring to police and the facility’s cross streets, “don’t play by the rules.”
According to an analysis of data disclosed to the Guardian in late September, police allowed lawyers access to Homan Square for only 0.94% of the 7,185 arrests logged over nearly 11 years. That percentage aligns with Chicago police’s broader practice of providing minimal access to attorneys during the crucial early interrogation stage, when an arrestee’s constitutional rights against self-incrimination are most vulnerable.
That thing existed for a decade.
On June 28 2017 01:49 IyMoon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2017 01:46 Plansix wrote:If this were a city in any normal state, they would be in receivership by now. But states don't work like that. The master plan of taxing the rich when they can easily pack up and leave seems to have backfired. Because there is always another state willing to accept those rich tax payers at a lower cost. On June 28 2017 01:40 IyMoon wrote:On June 28 2017 01:37 xDaunt wrote:
So question for all of you big spenders on the left. What's your solution for the mess in Illinois? Up taxes while lowering spending? Boom, solved. They upped the taxes already. The tax payers fled the state. If your state is planning on taxing more that Massachusetts, their plan is bad. And Chicago is a dumpster fire. but did they cut spending as well? Because if they did then I am out of ideas
No, they raised taxes and spending. Then the taxes left and the problem of Chicago being Chicago still existed. Some states are just broken, like Rhode Island, the land without law.
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On June 28 2017 01:49 KwarK wrote:
Sell the state to Canada.
we don't want it! 
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On June 28 2017 01:53 BigFan wrote:we don't want it!
Take out a big insurance policy on it and burn it down?
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On June 28 2017 01:52 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2017 01:40 IyMoon wrote:On June 28 2017 01:37 xDaunt wrote:
So question for all of you big spenders on the left. What's your solution for the mess in Illinois? Up taxes while lowering spending? Boom, solved. They upped the taxes already. The tax payers fled the state. If your state is planning on taxing more that Massachusetts, their plan is bad. And Chicago is a dumpster fire.
but did they cut spending as well? Because if they did then I am out of ideas
No, they raised taxes and spending. Then the taxes left and the problem of Chicago being Chicago still existed. Some states are just broken, like Rhode Island, the land without law.
Well there you go, seems like the fucked up the end game
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On June 28 2017 01:53 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2017 01:53 BigFan wrote:On June 28 2017 01:49 KwarK wrote:
Sell the state to Canada. we don't want it! Take out a big insurance policy on it and burn it down?
But then you need to convince an insurance broker to insure Chicago, the Ford Pinto of US cities.
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illinois is gonna need to give the pensionholders a haircut. the unfunded pension liability is killing them. gonna have to figure out a way to amend their constitution to do it, though.
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What era does that pension problem date back to?
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On June 28 2017 01:57 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2017 01:53 KwarK wrote:On June 28 2017 01:53 BigFan wrote:On June 28 2017 01:49 KwarK wrote:
Sell the state to Canada. we don't want it! Take out a big insurance policy on it and burn it down? But then you need to convince an insurance broker to insure Chicago, the Ford Pinto of US cities.
Rebrand it as Trump Illinois, fire everyone, declare bankruptcy, default on all the obligations, sell Trump Illinois with the improved balance sheet to the Russians for far more than market value, give all the proceeds to the Trump holding company as a licensing fee for your name?
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If I were Schumer I would be on the phone with the president telling him how the how the GOP Congress is dropping the ball with a wildly unpopular bill and tell him all about this one system called single payer that the voters would love and praise him for.
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maybe they should just go bankrupt. give a haircut to their creditors.
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i don't know. i had a discussion a little while back about it with someone from chicago, but the problem has been around for a few decades - basically government just kept passing the buck. it's pretty insane. state employees retired in their 50's and got full benefits and no one ever bothered actually trying to figure out how to pay for all of it.
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Didn't Illinois already gut a lot of its spending. I know a lot of the universities there got bitch slapped with funding cuts.
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