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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
June 26 2017 16:12 GMT
#158821
The voter participation being higher before Nixon is mostly due to the lowered voting age iirc. 21 was the limit before then but it got changed due to the draft age being 18. 18-21 year olds have by far the lowest voting participation.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-26 16:15:12
June 26 2017 16:15 GMT
#158822
On June 27 2017 01:05 zlefin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2017 01:03 TheTenthDoc wrote:
I will say it's interesting that the partial injunction is totally unlikely to actually stop dedicated terrorists from entering the country. They can easily go through the prepwork of having their connections get them a job. Or just finding a family relation. Then again everyone seems to think terrorists are dumb as brick walls.

i'd say that issue is moot, since no actual terrorists are coming from those places anyways; and the existing vetting systems were already extreme.


Well yeah. I'm mostly just saying that even if there were actual terrorists coming from those countries there's nothing conceivable but harms from the partial injunction, since it pretty much just means hypothetical terrorists spend a few more weeks getting ready.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
June 26 2017 16:23 GMT
#158823
Perhaps a concession from Russia?

Sergey Kislyak, Russia's ambassador to the United States and a key player in his nation's interference in the 2016 elections here, is being recalled by his government, according to a report released Sunday.

Citing three unnamed sources, BuzzFeed News reported that Kislyak is scheduled to leave Washington next month, following a July 11 going-away party for him at the St. Regis Hotel, just two blocks away from the White House.

Kislyak, 66, had been reported to be heading to New York to lead Russia's delegation at the United Nations. His return to Russia will mark the end of his 10-year tenure as Russia's leading diplomat to the United States and makes him another casualty of the growing controversy over the Russian activity.


www.msn.com
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 26 2017 16:25 GMT
#158824
Will Sessions attend the going away party and then forget to tell everyone he went to it?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
June 26 2017 16:25 GMT
#158825
On June 27 2017 01:23 Doodsmack wrote:
Perhaps a concession from Russia?

Show nested quote +
Sergey Kislyak, Russia's ambassador to the United States and a key player in his nation's interference in the 2016 elections here, is being recalled by his government, according to a report released Sunday.

Citing three unnamed sources, BuzzFeed News reported that Kislyak is scheduled to leave Washington next month, following a July 11 going-away party for him at the St. Regis Hotel, just two blocks away from the White House.

Kislyak, 66, had been reported to be heading to New York to lead Russia's delegation at the United Nations. His return to Russia will mark the end of his 10-year tenure as Russia's leading diplomat to the United States and makes him another casualty of the growing controversy over the Russian activity.


www.msn.com

why would it be a concession?
if america wanted him out we could just kick him out anyways.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17955 Posts
June 26 2017 16:27 GMT
#158826
I'm a bit confused how this could possibly be phrased as a win for Trump. Nobody was arguing that Trump couldn't block visa applications with good reason. He could just have written his travel ban exactly like Obama did.

Instead, he wrote an insane ban on absolutely everybody including people with valid visas, green card holders, and a whole list of other people with legitimate reasons and who had already been vetted. The supreme court ruling basically says "yeah, stop people from entering the US as you like, mr. president, but don't be a dumbass about it". Seems like his overreach has been shut down pretty hard, and he now has a watered down version of what he himself claimed was too watered down (or was it "sad"?) version of his travel ban.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
June 26 2017 16:36 GMT
#158827
On June 27 2017 01:23 Doodsmack wrote:
Perhaps a concession from Russia?

Show nested quote +
Sergey Kislyak, Russia's ambassador to the United States and a key player in his nation's interference in the 2016 elections here, is being recalled by his government, according to a report released Sunday.

Citing three unnamed sources, BuzzFeed News reported that Kislyak is scheduled to leave Washington next month, following a July 11 going-away party for him at the St. Regis Hotel, just two blocks away from the White House.

Kislyak, 66, had been reported to be heading to New York to lead Russia's delegation at the United Nations. His return to Russia will mark the end of his 10-year tenure as Russia's leading diplomat to the United States and makes him another casualty of the growing controversy over the Russian activity.


www.msn.com

I thought he was already planning on leaving months back?

I swear I remember hearing that his replacement was appointed and that he was eyeing a UN ambassador position.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 26 2017 16:38 GMT
#158828
On June 27 2017 01:12 Nevuk wrote:
The voter participation being higher before Nixon is mostly due to the lowered voting age iirc. 21 was the limit before then but it got changed due to the draft age being 18. 18-21 year olds have by far the lowest voting participation.

I feel we could just write off those three years of political engagement. I made two, maybe three, good decisions when I was 18.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-26 16:46:30
June 26 2017 16:45 GMT
#158829
Now that is a funny picture

Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 26 2017 16:47 GMT
#158830
In Towns Already Hit by Steel Mill Closings, a New Casualty: Retail Jobs

JOHNSTOWN, Pa. — Dawn Nasewicz comes from a family of steelworkers, with jobs that once dominated the local economy. She found her niche in retail.

She manages a store, Ooh La La, that sells prom dresses and embroidered jeans at a local mall. But just as the jobs making automobile springs and rail anchors disappeared, local retail jobs are now vanishing.

“I need my income,” said Ms. Nasewicz, who was told that her store will close as early as August. “I’m 53. I have no idea what I’m going to do.”

Ms. Nasewicz is another retail casualty, one of tens of thousands of workers facing unemployment nationwide as the industry struggles to adapt to online shopping.

Small cities in the Midwest and Northeast are particularly vulnerable. When major industries left town, retail accounted for a growing share of the job market in places like Johnstown, Decatur, Ill., and Saginaw, Mich. Now, the work force is getting hit a second time, and there is little to fall back on.

Moreover, while stores in these places are shedding jobs because of e-commerce, e-commerce isn’t absorbing these workers. Growth in e-commerce jobs like marketing and engineering, while strong, is clustered around larger cities far away. Rural counties and small metropolitan areas account for about 23 percent of traditional American retail employment, but they are home to just 13 percent of e-commerce positions.

E-commerce has also fostered a boom in other industries, including warehouses. But most of those jobs are being created in larger metropolitan areas, an analysis of Census Bureau business data shows.

Almost all customer fulfillment centers run by the online shopping behemoth Amazon are in metropolitan areas with more than 250,000 people — close to the bulk of its customers — according to a list of locations compiled by MWPVL International, a logistics consulting firm. An Amazon spokeswoman noted, however, that the company had recently opened warehouses in two distressed cities in larger metropolitan areas, Fall River, Mass., and Joliet, Ill.

The Johnstown metropolitan area, in western Pennsylvania, has lost 19 percent of its retail jobs since 2001, and the future is uncertain. At least a dozen of Ooh La La’s neighbors at the mall have closed, and a “Going out of business” banner hangs across the front of the sporting goods store Gander Mountain.

“Every time you lose a corner store, every time you lose a restaurant, every time you lose a small clothing store, it detracts from the quality of life, as well as the job loss,” said John McGrath, a professor of management at the University of Pittsburgh Johnstown.

This city is perhaps still best known for a flood that ravaged it nearly 130 years ago. After rebuilding, Johnstown eventually became prosperous from its steel and offered a clear path to the middle class. For generations, people could walk out of high school and into a steady factory job.

But today, the area bears the marks of a struggling town. Its population has dwindled, and addiction treatment centers and Dollar Generals stand in place of corner grocers and department stores like Glosser Brothers, once owned by the family of Stephen Miller, President Trump’s speechwriter and a policy adviser.

When Mr. Trump spoke about “rusted-out factories scattered like tombstones across the landscape of our nation” in his Inaugural Address, people like Donald Bonk, a local economic development consultant, assumed that Mr. Miller — who grew up in California but spent summers in Johnstown — was writing about the old Bethlehem Steel buildings that still hug long stretches of the Little Conemaugh River.

The county voted overwhelmingly for Mr. Trump, eight years after it helped to elect Barack Obama. (It also voted for Mitt Romney in 2012, but not by as wide a margin.)

Here and in similar towns, when the factory jobs left, a greater share of the work force ended up in retail.

Sometimes that meant big-box retailers like Walmart, which were often blamed for destroying mom-and-pop stores but at least created other jobs for residents. The damage from e-commerce plays out differently. Digital firms may attract customers from small towns, but they are unlikely to employ them.

Some remaining retailers are straining for solutions.

Randy Clark remembers when his Miller’s Clothing Store, a family-run men’s wear shop, employed twice as many people and sold 20 pairs of pants a day. He knows he needs a website, but attracting digital customers is the least of his concerns. Brands that he sells, like Tommy Bahama and Southern Tide, will not even let him sell their products online, where he would compete with their own e-commerce operations, he said.

So instead, Mr. Clark has focused on the store itself. He renovated the first floor to attract customers from farther away, customers who might have more money to spend and more places to go than Johnstown. He bought new furniture and new floors, installed a coffee machine, and donated old sports coats and corduroy jackets to make room for fresh inventory. He wears a suit and tie to work six days a week, and says he does not own a pair of jeans.

“Not a lot of people dress up anymore,” Mr. Clark said. “If I don’t dress the part, who will?”

Tom Apryle IV takes the opposite approach at his jewelry store.

Metalworkers, office clerks and executives — thousands of workers used to stream in and out of the factories here every day. When they got engaged or celebrated anniversaries or just wanted a nice diamond bracelet, they often went to Apryle’s, a jewelry store that Mr. Apryle’s great-grandfather opened in 1902.

But fewer people can afford his products now that the good jobs are long gone, and Mr. Apryle has had to make adjustments.

A cash-for-gold sign hangs in the window. He started selling knickknacks on eBay. Eventually, he stopped wearing a tie.

“I might as well be comfortable,” Mr. Apryle, 46, said, gesturing to his wrinkled T-shirt and tennis shoes. “There’s no one here to impress.”

The story of America’s Johnstowns is not just the story of retail, or e-commerce, or how men don’t buy suits and ties at Miller’s the way they used to. It’s also about men like Mr. Apryle, who wouldn’t even have a place to wear them.

“I was the last generation to see it booming and prosperous, and people were employed,” said Mr. Bonk, 53, the economic development consultant, who grew up in Johnstown. “It disappeared in my lifetime.”

Just as Johnstown scrambled to adapt to the decline in manufacturing that began a generation ago, local leaders are now looking at how to navigate a future with a much diminished retail economy.

To help revitalize the area, the county hired Mr. Bonk, whose parents ran a corner grocery store here for more than 40 years and made enough money to send him and his brother to college.

Mr. Bonk has returned, determined to make downtown thrive again. But he does not have dreams of bringing back the department stores of his youth. He knows that consumers these days want to spend their money more on experiences than things, and that neighborhood stores are competing against digital upstarts that do not need as many workers and often have far more resources.

As he walks briskly down Main Street, Mr. Bonk points out the new businesses that stand shoulder-to-shoulder with empty storefronts. There is The Vault, a day spa in an old bank building, and the Press Bistro, which, he excitedly points out, has an area for live music.

These places are evidence, he says, that other people are committed to restoring Johnstown.

“They want to see it be a healthy, thriving community, like where they grew up,” he said.

Mr. Bonk is inspired by Pittsburgh, another former steel town that revived its economy by attracting new businesses, including an Amazon distribution center and the fleet of trucks that came with it. But he knows that the Pittsburgh metro area, with a population of 2.4 million, is 17 times as large as Johnstown.

“I’m thinking about what’s next,” he said. “We’re essentially thinking of Johnstown as an economic development laboratory.”

Mr. Bonk isn’t counting on Amazon coming here.


Source

The struggle in the modern economy continues. How do real stores complete with the internet? If the entire box story retail industry continues to contract, how many other parts of the economy will it take with it? How is anyone supposed to plan for long term employment or income when the entire industry moves at the speed of tech?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 26 2017 16:49 GMT
#158831
On June 27 2017 01:45 Doodsmack wrote:
Now that is a funny picture

https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/879306060472786944

I hate golf with the fire of a nova and even one does not simple drive your golf cart across the green.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-26 17:00:48
June 26 2017 16:55 GMT
#158832
On June 27 2017 00:39 NewSunshine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2017 00:34 Danglars wrote:
On June 27 2017 00:26 NewSunshine wrote:
On June 27 2017 00:21 Danglars wrote:
On June 26 2017 23:37 xDaunt wrote:
Also, it looks like Trump is going to score a win on the travel ban, with the Supreme Court allowing it to go into effect provisionally (pending reargument) against persons without a "bona fide relationship to the US."

EDIT: And it appears to be a per curiam opinion with no full liberal dissent. Interesting.

EDIT 2: Heh, looks like the Court wants to duck this one. They direct the parties to address the following issue in the next around of briefing: whether the challenges to the EO became moot on June 14, 2017.

EDIT 3: Looks like the language is narrower than initially reported:
In practical terms, this means that §2(c) may not be en-forced against foreign nationals who have a credible claim of a bona fide relationship with a person or entity in theUnited States. All other foreign nationals are subject to the provisions of EO–2.

Affirming (in reasoning) that EO-2 was a constitutional exercise of executive power. It's a welcome relief to the courts claiming the power to make national security judgements.

One key argument destroyed.
+ Show Spoiler +






Also: Wedding cake designers get writ of cert

I still fail to see how the travel ban does anything in the vein of national security. It's a yet more limited version of a ban that was already limited to a selection of countries that had nothing to do with terrorism in the US.

Temporarily stopping immigration from countries that cannot track their terrorists, or failed states where identities cannot be proven in any way, is a national security question at its core. Some are state sponsors of terrorism aka "nothing to do with terrorism in the US" is not for lack of trying.

The majority of terrorists that have attacked not only the US, but Europe as well, have been domestic - they were there their whole lives. Shotgun-banning travel from countries that may have something to do with terrorists does nothing to address the genuine issue. If the problem is lack of tracking, maybe we ought to track what's going on in our country first.

Maybe you disagree substantially on the means the president is using to fix a problem. Maybe you would argue a basis in historical deaths or attacks evidenced. It still doesn't deny his statutory and constitutional authority to do so, and the previously discussed facts of inability to vet and state sponsors of terrorism. I have no doubt Clinton would've chosen a different choice for national security, and many of her supporters disagree with Trump's approach, but elections have consequences. Best of luck next time around.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
June 26 2017 16:58 GMT
#158833
On June 27 2017 00:34 Plansix wrote:
It vastly depends on many people would be prevented from traveling to the US because they lack a “credible claim of a bona fide relationship with a person or entity in the United States”. My bet would be that is a very small number of people coming to the US from those countries.

Edit:

Show nested quote +
On June 27 2017 00:21 Danglars wrote:

Lutheran preschools wins religious liberty case on public funding

Funds are limited to building playgrounds at this time. The ruling had a footnote that stated funds could not go to other aspects of the school.

The state funding was for playground surfaces from recycled tires. Allowing this to go to a religious school's playground is a religious liberty win, reversing justices that argued against it at the second-highest courts.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 26 2017 17:02 GMT
#158834
On June 27 2017 01:58 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2017 00:34 Plansix wrote:
It vastly depends on many people would be prevented from traveling to the US because they lack a “credible claim of a bona fide relationship with a person or entity in the United States”. My bet would be that is a very small number of people coming to the US from those countries.

Edit:

On June 27 2017 00:21 Danglars wrote:

Lutheran preschools wins religious liberty case on public funding

Funds are limited to building playgrounds at this time. The ruling had a footnote that stated funds could not go to other aspects of the school.

The state funding was for playground surfaces from recycled tires. Allowing this to go to a religious school's playground is a religious liberty win, reversing justices that argued against it at the second-highest courts.

I agree in this specific case and the state should have made an exception through the legislature. But I think everyone should be wary of the other pushes by school of choice and charter school advocates for public funds to travel to religious schools. But it is sad that something simple like this got wrapped up in that debate.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21587 Posts
June 26 2017 17:06 GMT
#158835
On June 27 2017 01:55 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2017 00:39 NewSunshine wrote:
On June 27 2017 00:34 Danglars wrote:
On June 27 2017 00:26 NewSunshine wrote:
On June 27 2017 00:21 Danglars wrote:
On June 26 2017 23:37 xDaunt wrote:
Also, it looks like Trump is going to score a win on the travel ban, with the Supreme Court allowing it to go into effect provisionally (pending reargument) against persons without a "bona fide relationship to the US."

EDIT: And it appears to be a per curiam opinion with no full liberal dissent. Interesting.

EDIT 2: Heh, looks like the Court wants to duck this one. They direct the parties to address the following issue in the next around of briefing: whether the challenges to the EO became moot on June 14, 2017.

EDIT 3: Looks like the language is narrower than initially reported:
In practical terms, this means that §2(c) may not be en-forced against foreign nationals who have a credible claim of a bona fide relationship with a person or entity in theUnited States. All other foreign nationals are subject to the provisions of EO–2.

Affirming (in reasoning) that EO-2 was a constitutional exercise of executive power. It's a welcome relief to the courts claiming the power to make national security judgements.
https://twitter.com/charlescwcooke/status/879349760498565120
One key argument destroyed.
+ Show Spoiler +

https://twitter.com/joshmblackman/status/879349562581954560


https://twitter.com/gabrielmalor/status/879347347762884608

Also: Wedding cake designers get writ of cert

I still fail to see how the travel ban does anything in the vein of national security. It's a yet more limited version of a ban that was already limited to a selection of countries that had nothing to do with terrorism in the US.

Temporarily stopping immigration from countries that cannot track their terrorists, or failed states where identities cannot be proven in any way, is a national security question at its core. Some are state sponsors of terrorism aka "nothing to do with terrorism in the US" is not for lack of trying.

The majority of terrorists that have attacked not only the US, but Europe as well, have been domestic - they were there their whole lives. Shotgun-banning travel from countries that may have something to do with terrorists does nothing to address the genuine issue. If the problem is lack of tracking, maybe we ought to track what's going on in our country first.

Maybe you disagree substantially on the means the president is using to fix a problem. Maybe you would argue a basis in historical deaths or attacks evidenced. It still doesn't deny his statutory and constitutional authority to do so, and the previously discussed facts of inability to vet and state sponsors of terrorism. I have no doubt Clinton would've chosen a different choice for national security, and many of her supporters disagree with Trump's approach, but elections have consequences. Best of luck next time around.

And no one ever disputed that the President has that right.
The issue has always been with the how. Mainly the initial ban and it blocking legitimate vetting people from entering the US. like foreign students and visa/green card holders.
Something that is specificity addressed by the SCOTUS.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-26 17:17:17
June 26 2017 17:09 GMT
#158836
There are rumors floating around that the Senate Healthcare bill may bar someone from getting insurance for 6 months if they have a laps in coverage. Legally baring a US citizen from an entire market sounds legally questionable. Also easily abused by insurance providers without a fleshed out appeal process.

Edit: 63 day lapse, per the newest version of the bill.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
June 26 2017 17:11 GMT
#158837
On June 27 2017 01:27 Acrofales wrote:
I'm a bit confused how this could possibly be phrased as a win for Trump. Nobody was arguing that Trump couldn't block visa applications with good reason. He could just have written his travel ban exactly like Obama did.

Instead, he wrote an insane ban on absolutely everybody including people with valid visas, green card holders, and a whole list of other people with legitimate reasons and who had already been vetted. The supreme court ruling basically says "yeah, stop people from entering the US as you like, mr. president, but don't be a dumbass about it". Seems like his overreach has been shut down pretty hard, and he now has a watered down version of what he himself claimed was too watered down (or was it "sad"?) version of his travel ban.

a heavy dose of rationalization can make almost anything a win; and they've had a lot of practice rationalizing things of late.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 26 2017 17:14 GMT
#158838
Mayors meeting in Florida are considering an ambitious commitment to have US city governments run entirely on renewable sources such as wind and solar by 2035.

Leaders from more than 250 cities gathered at the US Conference of Mayors in Miami Beach were scheduled to vote on Monday on a resolution to reach the 100% clean energy goal.

Miami Beach mayor Philip Levine is leading the effort after being in the spotlight for his moves to combat sea level rise.

A May survey by the Center for Climate and Energy Solutions said 47 cities spent nearly $1.2bn annually on electricity for city operations.

Mayors at the conference have overwhelmingly expressed support to fight climate change, especially after the Trump administration pulled out of the Paris climate agreement last month.

“I think most mayors in America don’t think we have to wait for a president” whose beliefs on climate change are disconnected from science, New Orleans mayor and new conference president Mitch Landrieu said at the beginning of the conference.

“There’s near unanimity in this conference that climate change is real and that humans contribute to it. There may be a little bit of a disagreement about how actually to deal with it.

“If the federal government refuses to act or is just paralyzed, the cities themselves, through their mayors, are going to create a new national policy by the accumulation of our individual efforts.”


Source
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42431 Posts
June 26 2017 17:25 GMT
#158839
On June 27 2017 02:06 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2017 01:55 Danglars wrote:
On June 27 2017 00:39 NewSunshine wrote:
On June 27 2017 00:34 Danglars wrote:
On June 27 2017 00:26 NewSunshine wrote:
On June 27 2017 00:21 Danglars wrote:
On June 26 2017 23:37 xDaunt wrote:
Also, it looks like Trump is going to score a win on the travel ban, with the Supreme Court allowing it to go into effect provisionally (pending reargument) against persons without a "bona fide relationship to the US."

EDIT: And it appears to be a per curiam opinion with no full liberal dissent. Interesting.

EDIT 2: Heh, looks like the Court wants to duck this one. They direct the parties to address the following issue in the next around of briefing: whether the challenges to the EO became moot on June 14, 2017.

EDIT 3: Looks like the language is narrower than initially reported:
In practical terms, this means that §2(c) may not be en-forced against foreign nationals who have a credible claim of a bona fide relationship with a person or entity in theUnited States. All other foreign nationals are subject to the provisions of EO–2.

Affirming (in reasoning) that EO-2 was a constitutional exercise of executive power. It's a welcome relief to the courts claiming the power to make national security judgements.
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I still fail to see how the travel ban does anything in the vein of national security. It's a yet more limited version of a ban that was already limited to a selection of countries that had nothing to do with terrorism in the US.

Temporarily stopping immigration from countries that cannot track their terrorists, or failed states where identities cannot be proven in any way, is a national security question at its core. Some are state sponsors of terrorism aka "nothing to do with terrorism in the US" is not for lack of trying.

The majority of terrorists that have attacked not only the US, but Europe as well, have been domestic - they were there their whole lives. Shotgun-banning travel from countries that may have something to do with terrorists does nothing to address the genuine issue. If the problem is lack of tracking, maybe we ought to track what's going on in our country first.

Maybe you disagree substantially on the means the president is using to fix a problem. Maybe you would argue a basis in historical deaths or attacks evidenced. It still doesn't deny his statutory and constitutional authority to do so, and the previously discussed facts of inability to vet and state sponsors of terrorism. I have no doubt Clinton would've chosen a different choice for national security, and many of her supporters disagree with Trump's approach, but elections have consequences. Best of luck next time around.

And no one ever disputed that the President has that right.
The issue has always been with the how. Mainly the initial ban and it blocking legitimate vetting people from entering the US. like foreign students and visa/green card holders.
Something that is specificity addressed by the SCOTUS.

The issue was somewhat that it was a religious test. Let's not forget that. The fact that he used it to deny people who had an established right to enter and reside within the United States was a disaster but it doesn't suddenly become okay just because he stopped.
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