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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 08 2017 18:36 GMT
#156281
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-08 18:42:52
June 08 2017 18:38 GMT
#156282
On June 09 2017 03:36 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2017 03:27 a_flayer wrote:
Wait, I read somewhere that there's ads on TV attacking Comey? How the hell is this legal in your country?

Thank the Supreme Court, citizens united and nearly 30 years of efforts by the conservatives to erode the power of the FCC. Free speech forever, even it is all lies.


To be fair airing ads regarding Comey would probably be legal regardless of all that (he's a big enough public figure I think). That stuff just makes it far easier to hide who is controlling and funding the ads.

On June 09 2017 03:36 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/ThePlumLineGS/status/872883675083546625


He just missed Comey's subtle subtext. Sure, he said he thought he was fired because of the Russia investigation, but you're missing that Comey hates himself and thus thinks firing him would improve the investigation.

Edit: I hope "Predisent" takes off just like "covfefe" but I doubt it will.
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-08 18:47:41
June 08 2017 18:47 GMT
#156283
Okay I know that this is absolutely unrelated but given that some here follow Kurt Eichenwald

+ Show Spoiler +
https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald/status/872860185576001536

what exactly is going on here, I must have missed some story

Concerning the whole Comey thing, I doubt that this will do Trump in but are they going to throw Sessions to the wolves?
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
June 08 2017 18:54 GMT
#156284
On June 09 2017 03:47 Nyxisto wrote:
Okay I know that this is absolutely unrelated but given that some here follow Kurt Eichenwald

+ Show Spoiler +
https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald/status/872860185576001536

what exactly is going on here, I must have missed some story

Concerning the whole Comey thing, I doubt that this will do Trump in but are they going to throw Sessions to the wolves?

He accidentally posted a screenshot of himself with a tab opened to a very specific hentai that has nothing to do with tentacle porn, and is now claiming he found it while trying (and impossibly somehow failing) to prove that tentacle porn exists to his wife.
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13389 Posts
June 08 2017 18:56 GMT
#156285
On June 09 2017 03:54 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2017 03:47 Nyxisto wrote:
Okay I know that this is absolutely unrelated but given that some here follow Kurt Eichenwald

+ Show Spoiler +
https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald/status/872860185576001536

what exactly is going on here, I must have missed some story

Concerning the whole Comey thing, I doubt that this will do Trump in but are they going to throw Sessions to the wolves?

He accidentally posted a screenshot of himself with a tab opened to a very specific hentai that has nothing to do with tentacle porn, and is now claiming he found it while trying (and impossibly somehow failing) to prove that tentacle porn exists to his wife.


Pretty funny gaffe tbh
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
June 08 2017 18:57 GMT
#156286
idk, but in somewhat related news:

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
June 08 2017 19:01 GMT
#156287
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/08/business/dealbook/house-financial-regulations-dodd-frank.html?_r=0

WASHINGTON — Since the Dodd-Frank Act was signed into law nearly seven years ago, Republicans have promised to make it their mission to repeal the legislation, which they say is strangling the financial industry and killing jobs.

They will take their most significant step on Thursday when the House of Representatives votes on a bill that would gut major elements of the regulatory legislation, drafted in the aftermath of the 2008 financial crisis.

The bill coming up for a vote, the Financial Choice Act, has maintained a low profile compared with Republican plans on health care and taxes, but it represents a major part of an agenda the Republicans say will unshackle the economy and accelerate economic growth.

“This legislation comes to the rescue of Main Street America,” Speaker Paul D. Ryan said Wednesday. “The Dodd-Frank Act has had a lot of bad consequences for our economy, but most of all in the small communities across our country.”

Life?
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
June 08 2017 19:02 GMT
#156288
Body-cam study: Oakland police spoke less respectfully to black people
Oakland police officers tend to speak less respectfully to black people than to white people during traffic stops, using language in these everyday interactions that can erode community faith in the police, according to a first-of-its-kind study of body-camera footage released Monday by Stanford researchers.

An analysis of 981 traffic stops made by 245 Oakland officers in April 2014 found that officers were more apt to use terms of respect such as “sir,” “ma’am,” “please” and “thank you” when dealing with white motorists when compared to black ones. They apologized to white people more frequently for having to stop them, and expressed concern, telling them to “drive safe.”

After stopping black people, officers more often used terms deemed to be disrespectful, calling them by their first names, “bro” or “my man,” and instructing them to keep their hands on the wheel, the study found.

“We found that the officers on average spoke fairly respectfully to people — it was just that they spoke even more respectfully to white community members than they did to black community members,” said Jennifer Eberhardt, a Stanford professor who co-authored the study. “No matter how we looked at the data, there was a race gap there.”

The study found that officers spoke more respectfully and more formally to older people. But the racial disparities persisted even after researchers took into consideration the severity of the infraction and the location and outcome of the stop. The race of the officer making the stop “did not contribute a significant effect,” the study said.

Source
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ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
8983 Posts
June 08 2017 19:03 GMT
#156289
I love how the GOP has amnesia as to what caused the 2008 crisis.
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
June 08 2017 19:07 GMT
#156290
On June 09 2017 04:03 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
I love how the GOP has amnesia as to what caused the 2008 crisis.


They don't give two shits about who gets financially ruined since they'll never be affected.
Life?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 08 2017 19:11 GMT
#156291


McCain being himself. I guess he really wasn't feeling well.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
8983 Posts
June 08 2017 19:26 GMT
#156292
Hopefully that's all that it is with McCain. If it's anything more severe, he should probably retire and give up his seat. Senile old man on the stand isn't good optics for him or the party.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23230 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-08 19:32:33
June 08 2017 19:30 GMT
#156293
As always, until you can recognize violence on both sides, I still conclude you have selective blindness for others. And that will diminish my sympathies.


@Danglars the rest of the post was total nonsense but I had to point out this is ridiculous and disgusting.

“No matter how we looked at the data, there was a race gap there.”


But don't tell Danglars, he's sure that talking about race in policing is counter productive.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
June 08 2017 19:31 GMT
#156294
On June 09 2017 03:13 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2017 03:03 zlefin wrote:
On June 09 2017 02:59 xDaunt wrote:
On June 09 2017 02:48 zlefin wrote:
On June 09 2017 02:46 xDaunt wrote:
On June 09 2017 02:43 zlefin wrote:
On June 09 2017 02:41 xDaunt wrote:
On June 09 2017 02:40 zlefin wrote:
On June 09 2017 02:38 xDaunt wrote:
On June 09 2017 02:31 Plansix wrote:
So basically abuse of power isn't a settled area of law at this point? Trump is within his authority, which means he did not expressly break the law. And no case has been brought for abuse of that authority. So we have no base line if it will prevail.


This may be correct. And I can see the Supreme Court handling this a lot of different ways. They may treat impeachment and the underlying act as purely political questions. I can also see them looking at the impeachment process on the merits and finding that, because Trump's acts were within his constitutional authority, that it is inappropriate, thereby enjoining Congress from acting.

that seems highly implausible; near impossible I'd say (for the supreme court to enjoin congress from impeaching)
The Supreme court routinely punts cases of far less political consequences on technical grounds to avoid having to make hard decisions. There's no way they want any part of this mess and the fallout; and they have grounds enough to punt it all back on Congress, they'll take it.

You may want to revisit Bush v. Gore or any number of other seminal cases.

they do it if they REALLY have to and there's no good basis on which to punt; or if it's a case they really want to set law on. This is not a case to set interesting law on; and there IS a good basis to punt. And it's a horribly toxic case they'll want as little involvement in as possible. Bush v Gore there wasn't enough of a good basis on which to punt.
Especially on something as exceptional as an impeachment.

Are you kidding? If you really think that, then you know nothing about Constitutional law.

I know enough; and enough about the politics of the supreme court. You don't know enough abotu law either if you think the supreme court would seroiusly get in the mdidle of impeachment (excepting things so clear they can get an 8-1 or 9-0 ruling).

The single biggest issues that the Supreme Court gets to rule on concern the separation of powers and the relative authority of the three branches of government. This is a case that would immediately be on par with Marbury v. Madison and be mandatory reading in law schools. You're completely clueless to argue that this case would not set "interesting law." It doesn't get bigger than this.

not that interesting and horribly toxic; so no, they won't take part in it.
taking part in it would be self-defeating unless they can come up with a REALLY clever ruling.
authority changes; and protecting trump is asking for the supreme court itself as an institution to be damaged/weakened. they ain't gonna do that.
being mandatory reading isn't good if you get lumped in with Korematsu.

Y'all heard it from zlefin first! Marbury v. Madison --- not that interesting. Time for him to rewrite law curricula nationally.

yes, I get it; you're trolling. you claim something indefensible so you dodge and change the issue and strawman, you are a lawyer, just not one that gets the supreme court all that well, we get it.
Since you've chosen the path of the troll, for the umpteenth time, no point in talking to you.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 08 2017 19:37 GMT
#156295
On June 09 2017 04:31 zlefin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2017 03:13 xDaunt wrote:
On June 09 2017 03:03 zlefin wrote:
On June 09 2017 02:59 xDaunt wrote:
On June 09 2017 02:48 zlefin wrote:
On June 09 2017 02:46 xDaunt wrote:
On June 09 2017 02:43 zlefin wrote:
On June 09 2017 02:41 xDaunt wrote:
On June 09 2017 02:40 zlefin wrote:
On June 09 2017 02:38 xDaunt wrote:
[quote]

This may be correct. And I can see the Supreme Court handling this a lot of different ways. They may treat impeachment and the underlying act as purely political questions. I can also see them looking at the impeachment process on the merits and finding that, because Trump's acts were within his constitutional authority, that it is inappropriate, thereby enjoining Congress from acting.

that seems highly implausible; near impossible I'd say (for the supreme court to enjoin congress from impeaching)
The Supreme court routinely punts cases of far less political consequences on technical grounds to avoid having to make hard decisions. There's no way they want any part of this mess and the fallout; and they have grounds enough to punt it all back on Congress, they'll take it.

You may want to revisit Bush v. Gore or any number of other seminal cases.

they do it if they REALLY have to and there's no good basis on which to punt; or if it's a case they really want to set law on. This is not a case to set interesting law on; and there IS a good basis to punt. And it's a horribly toxic case they'll want as little involvement in as possible. Bush v Gore there wasn't enough of a good basis on which to punt.
Especially on something as exceptional as an impeachment.

Are you kidding? If you really think that, then you know nothing about Constitutional law.

I know enough; and enough about the politics of the supreme court. You don't know enough abotu law either if you think the supreme court would seroiusly get in the mdidle of impeachment (excepting things so clear they can get an 8-1 or 9-0 ruling).

The single biggest issues that the Supreme Court gets to rule on concern the separation of powers and the relative authority of the three branches of government. This is a case that would immediately be on par with Marbury v. Madison and be mandatory reading in law schools. You're completely clueless to argue that this case would not set "interesting law." It doesn't get bigger than this.

not that interesting and horribly toxic; so no, they won't take part in it.
taking part in it would be self-defeating unless they can come up with a REALLY clever ruling.
authority changes; and protecting trump is asking for the supreme court itself as an institution to be damaged/weakened. they ain't gonna do that.
being mandatory reading isn't good if you get lumped in with Korematsu.

Y'all heard it from zlefin first! Marbury v. Madison --- not that interesting. Time for him to rewrite law curricula nationally.

yes, I get it; you're trolling. you claim something indefensible so you dodge and change the issue and strawman, you are a lawyer, just not one that gets the supreme court all that well, we get it.
Since you've chosen the path of the troll, for the umpteenth time, no point in talking to you.

You are the guy who almost always expresses pro-technocratic policy positions -- i.e., you want the experts to decide things. Yet here you are expressing conclusive opinions on something that you clearly know nothing about, and you are tripling down on it even after you have been called out. Sorry, but the hypocrisy is too good to ignore.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
June 08 2017 19:41 GMT
#156296
On June 09 2017 03:56 ZeromuS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2017 03:54 Nevuk wrote:
On June 09 2017 03:47 Nyxisto wrote:
Okay I know that this is absolutely unrelated but given that some here follow Kurt Eichenwald

+ Show Spoiler +
https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald/status/872860185576001536

what exactly is going on here, I must have missed some story

Concerning the whole Comey thing, I doubt that this will do Trump in but are they going to throw Sessions to the wolves?

He accidentally posted a screenshot of himself with a tab opened to a very specific hentai that has nothing to do with tentacle porn, and is now claiming he found it while trying (and impossibly somehow failing) to prove that tentacle porn exists to his wife.


Pretty funny gaffe tbh

The dude has moments like that. Another drama that involved him was people sending him strobe memes to trigger his epilepsy, and then he sued said people. He has an ego that can match Trump's, blow for blow, and he is also kind of delusional at times.

Long story short, he is a special breed of drama queen.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Kevin_Sorbo
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada3217 Posts
June 08 2017 19:45 GMT
#156297
On June 09 2017 04:26 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Hopefully that's all that it is with McCain. If it's anything more severe, he should probably retire and give up his seat. Senile old man on the stand isn't good optics for him or the party.


I have so much respect for the man. Thats what an american hero looks like.

I wonder how much pain he still endures on a day to day basis. His body must feel closer to 100 than 80.
The mind is like a parachute, it doesnt work unless its open. - Zappa
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
June 08 2017 19:45 GMT
#156298
On June 09 2017 04:26 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Hopefully that's all that it is with McCain. If it's anything more severe, he should probably retire and give up his seat. Senile old man on the stand isn't good optics for him or the party.

I definitely can't help but feel that the circumstances of having to deal with Trump and being put back into the spotlight as "the steward of anti-Russia policy" has put him over the edge. I've slowly seen his descent into insanity over the past few years.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
June 08 2017 19:46 GMT
#156299
On June 09 2017 04:41 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2017 03:56 ZeromuS wrote:
On June 09 2017 03:54 Nevuk wrote:
On June 09 2017 03:47 Nyxisto wrote:
Okay I know that this is absolutely unrelated but given that some here follow Kurt Eichenwald

+ Show Spoiler +
https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald/status/872860185576001536

what exactly is going on here, I must have missed some story

Concerning the whole Comey thing, I doubt that this will do Trump in but are they going to throw Sessions to the wolves?

He accidentally posted a screenshot of himself with a tab opened to a very specific hentai that has nothing to do with tentacle porn, and is now claiming he found it while trying (and impossibly somehow failing) to prove that tentacle porn exists to his wife.


Pretty funny gaffe tbh

The dude has moments like that. Another drama that involved him was people sending him strobe memes to trigger his epilepsy, and then he sued said people. He has an ego that can match Trump's, blow for blow, and he is also kind of delusional at times.

Long story short, he is a special breed of drama queen.

I find it much easier to write him off as an attention-seeking fool and move on though, simply because he's not our president, nor is he in any other prominent position of power.

He should've consulted Handel on the matter though, she has tentacles, tremendous tentacles even.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
June 08 2017 19:49 GMT
#156300
On June 09 2017 04:46 NewSunshine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2017 04:41 LegalLord wrote:
On June 09 2017 03:56 ZeromuS wrote:
On June 09 2017 03:54 Nevuk wrote:
On June 09 2017 03:47 Nyxisto wrote:
Okay I know that this is absolutely unrelated but given that some here follow Kurt Eichenwald

+ Show Spoiler +
https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald/status/872860185576001536

what exactly is going on here, I must have missed some story

Concerning the whole Comey thing, I doubt that this will do Trump in but are they going to throw Sessions to the wolves?

He accidentally posted a screenshot of himself with a tab opened to a very specific hentai that has nothing to do with tentacle porn, and is now claiming he found it while trying (and impossibly somehow failing) to prove that tentacle porn exists to his wife.


Pretty funny gaffe tbh

The dude has moments like that. Another drama that involved him was people sending him strobe memes to trigger his epilepsy, and then he sued said people. He has an ego that can match Trump's, blow for blow, and he is also kind of delusional at times.

Long story short, he is a special breed of drama queen.

I find it much easier to write him off as an attention-seeking fool and move on though, simply because he's not our president, nor is he in any other prominent position of power.

He should've consulted Handel on the matter though, she has tentacles, tremendous tentacles even.

He used to be posted here often for his Trump-Russia "bombshells." Slowly but surely he's fallen out of favor as people realized that he's full of it though.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
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