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On June 07 2017 03:56 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 03:50 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:45 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:40 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:35 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:32 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:29 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:26 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:22 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:18 GreenHorizons wrote:
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Sounds like it was well taken out of context though.
But there is truth to the idea that whiteness is complicit with white terrorists. I mean your very own lack of discussion on how these white men are being radicalized and turning to terrorists is indicative of your own complicity. What was taken out of context? She told Kanye to go make a T-Shirt that says that "being white is terrorism." In light of all of the other shit that she tweeted, are we really going to pretend that she doesn't mean and believe precisely the obvious sentiment that is behind that phrase? You sure as shit wouldn't let a white person get away with telling someone to make a "being black is terrorism" T-Shirt --- and you would have no doubt what that white person meant if he also wore a white hood. Generally when people suggest you put something on a T-Shirt they are being facetious. But "Being black is terrorism" has no basis, whereas "being white is terrorism" is a hyperbolic comment on a real issue. Yeah, try arguing that to all of the people who have their property destroyed whenever BLM get its vandalism on. So are you suggesting that there is truth to the idea that "being black is terrorism" but there isn't to "being white is terrorism", that they both have truth and your feelings were hurt, or that there isn't truth to either? I'm suggesting that your attempt to argue that there's a basis for "being white is terrorism" while there is no basis for "being black is terrorism" is foolish. I don't think that you can differentiate between the two at all. Either paint both with the broad brush or none at all. So you it was that your feelings got hurt, go it. It's funny that you want to put BLM up against the ongoing history of white supremacy in this country, and is further indicative of your own complicity in white supremacy. Like you legitimately thought we could compare the two and they are unable to be differentiated. People do realize how absurd that is right? No, my feelings aren't hurt at all by the statement "being white is terrorism." I really don't give a shit beyond finding the statement to be both hilarious and a sad statement on the current state of society. As for your statement, I was merely pointing out the intrinsic intellectual dishonesty in it. We all know that you have an agenda to push (which we don't need to revisit), but it is ludicrous to suggest that there's no basis to brand all black people as terrorists while there is such a basis for white people. Your feelings were obviously hurt. There's no intellectual dishonesty (on my side). You're being incredibly foolish and doubling down on it by suggesting BLM or blackness and whiteness are interchangeable. I know you aren't that oblivious to history or contemporary events as to not see how preposterous that is. So I'm inclined to agree with the previous poster that you are just trolling or posting things so absurdly dumb they don't warrant interaction. If I could choose what race to be born in the US, I would choose white, asian, brown, black in that order. This is because I understand that my chances of being advantaged/disadvantaged are different based on race. That doesn't however mean that I view everything through the prism of race and blame white people for having an advantage, I don't care. Sometimes I feel that you aknowledge the differences of being black in America, but then you really try to guilt trip whites or whoever to somehow give up their position in society. That's not how it works, we have an unfair system, and it will slowly change over time, but never expect on an individual level to feel sorry for you for being black.
No one wants your pity, folks want you to take responsibility for your role in perpetuating white supremacy and maybe, one day, stop. But we're literally just trying to get you folks to own it before we expect you to stop.
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On June 07 2017 03:49 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 03:45 NewSunshine wrote:On June 07 2017 03:40 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:35 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:32 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:29 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:26 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:22 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:18 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:14 xDaunt wrote:
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I don't see any reliability problems when Infowars is citing and linking to Reality Winners' own social media. I would have thought that y'all would immediately be able to see the difference. My disappointment never ceases. Sounds like it was well taken out of context though. But there is truth to the idea that whiteness is complicit with white terrorists. I mean your very own lack of discussion on how these white men are being radicalized and turning to terrorists is indicative of your own complicity. What was taken out of context? She told Kanye to go make a T-Shirt that says that "being white is terrorism." In light of all of the other shit that she tweeted, are we really going to pretend that she doesn't mean and believe precisely the obvious sentiment that is behind that phrase? You sure as shit wouldn't let a white person get away with telling someone to make a "being black is terrorism" T-Shirt --- and you would have no doubt what that white person meant if he also wore a white hood. Generally when people suggest you put something on a T-Shirt they are being facetious. But "Being black is terrorism" has no basis, whereas "being white is terrorism" is a hyperbolic comment on a real issue. Yeah, try arguing that to all of the people who have their property destroyed whenever BLM get its vandalism on. So are you suggesting that there is truth to the idea that "being black is terrorism" but there isn't to "being white is terrorism", that they both have truth and your feelings were hurt, or that there isn't truth to either? I'm suggesting that your attempt to argue that there's a basis for "being white is terrorism" while there is no basis for "being black is terrorism" is foolish. I don't think that you can differentiate between the two at all. Either paint both with the broad brush or none at all. So you it was that your feelings got hurt, go it. It's funny that you want to put BLM up against the ongoing history of white supremacy in this country, and is further indicative of your own complicity in white supremacy. Like you legitimately thought we could compare the two and they are unable to be differentiated. People do realize how absurd that is right? His ongoing tirade against RW is nonsense to begin with. Everyone in this thread agrees what she did was dumb, and done poorly, and that it's wrong to openly leak classified info like that. Nobody disputes this. He then continues to dig into everything she's doing, and is now trolling people, including you, about it. It's a political non-issue. Ignore him and move on. While conveniently ignoring his original argument that infowars did nothing wrong by presenting a clearly satirical quote out of context as her view and then, when called out on that, making the argument that satire literally doesn't exist. God help anyone who ever needs xDaunt to argue anything on their behalf. People have been saying that "being brown makes you a terrorist" for decades now while making reference to societal norms and prejudices and the freedom fighter/mentally ill/terrorist trichotomy. And yet he presents it as a textbook example of how nobody would ever say that and expects us all not to notice.
Welp, there's clearly a good reason why people pay me a lot of money to argue stuff on their behalf. Feel free to keep arguing that her comment was clearly satirical when she also posted this:
EDIT: In fairness, I should give you the opportunity to argue that this post is "clearly satire," too. You seem to think that you're better at this than me, so go ahead and prove it.
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On June 07 2017 04:00 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 03:56 biology]major wrote:On June 07 2017 03:50 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:45 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:40 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:35 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:32 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:29 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:26 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:22 xDaunt wrote:
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What was taken out of context? She told Kanye to go make a T-Shirt that says that "being white is terrorism." In light of all of the other shit that she tweeted, are we really going to pretend that she doesn't mean and believe precisely the obvious sentiment that is behind that phrase? You sure as shit wouldn't let a white person get away with telling someone to make a "being black is terrorism" T-Shirt --- and you would have no doubt what that white person meant if he also wore a white hood. Generally when people suggest you put something on a T-Shirt they are being facetious. But "Being black is terrorism" has no basis, whereas "being white is terrorism" is a hyperbolic comment on a real issue. Yeah, try arguing that to all of the people who have their property destroyed whenever BLM get its vandalism on. So are you suggesting that there is truth to the idea that "being black is terrorism" but there isn't to "being white is terrorism", that they both have truth and your feelings were hurt, or that there isn't truth to either? I'm suggesting that your attempt to argue that there's a basis for "being white is terrorism" while there is no basis for "being black is terrorism" is foolish. I don't think that you can differentiate between the two at all. Either paint both with the broad brush or none at all. So you it was that your feelings got hurt, go it. It's funny that you want to put BLM up against the ongoing history of white supremacy in this country, and is further indicative of your own complicity in white supremacy. Like you legitimately thought we could compare the two and they are unable to be differentiated. People do realize how absurd that is right? No, my feelings aren't hurt at all by the statement "being white is terrorism." I really don't give a shit beyond finding the statement to be both hilarious and a sad statement on the current state of society. As for your statement, I was merely pointing out the intrinsic intellectual dishonesty in it. We all know that you have an agenda to push (which we don't need to revisit), but it is ludicrous to suggest that there's no basis to brand all black people as terrorists while there is such a basis for white people. Your feelings were obviously hurt. There's no intellectual dishonesty (on my side). You're being incredibly foolish and doubling down on it by suggesting BLM or blackness and whiteness are interchangeable. I know you aren't that oblivious to history or contemporary events as to not see how preposterous that is. So I'm inclined to agree with the previous poster that you are just trolling or posting things so absurdly dumb they don't warrant interaction. If I could choose what race to be born in the US, I would choose white, asian, brown, black in that order. This is because I understand that my chances of being advantaged/disadvantaged are different based on race. That doesn't however mean that I view everything through the prism of race and blame white people for having an advantage, I don't care. Sometimes I feel that you aknowledge the differences of being black in America, but then you really try to guilt trip whites or whoever to somehow give up their position in society. That's not how it works, we have an unfair system, and it will slowly change over time, but never expect on an individual level to feel sorry for you for being black. No one wants your pity, folks want you to take responsibility for your role in perpetuating white supremacy and maybe, one day, stop. But we're literally just trying to get you folks to own it before we expect you to stop.
That's where you lose me. I'm not white, but I just don't see the value in viewing everything through the prism of race. It is extremely counter productive.
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On June 07 2017 03:59 ZeromuS wrote:
Green, never
ever
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discuss race issues with xDaunt
Just, don't do it. There is not a single reasonable discussion. He's just going to rile you up and make you made then you'll start rage posting and then we'll have 10 pages of unproductive discussion on race in here between you and a troll with the odd chime in from other people.
Sure, as soon as you expect him not to talk about race.
On June 07 2017 04:01 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 03:49 KwarK wrote:On June 07 2017 03:45 NewSunshine wrote:On June 07 2017 03:40 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:35 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:32 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:29 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:26 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:22 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:18 GreenHorizons wrote:
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Sounds like it was well taken out of context though.
But there is truth to the idea that whiteness is complicit with white terrorists. I mean your very own lack of discussion on how these white men are being radicalized and turning to terrorists is indicative of your own complicity. What was taken out of context? She told Kanye to go make a T-Shirt that says that "being white is terrorism." In light of all of the other shit that she tweeted, are we really going to pretend that she doesn't mean and believe precisely the obvious sentiment that is behind that phrase? You sure as shit wouldn't let a white person get away with telling someone to make a "being black is terrorism" T-Shirt --- and you would have no doubt what that white person meant if he also wore a white hood. Generally when people suggest you put something on a T-Shirt they are being facetious. But "Being black is terrorism" has no basis, whereas "being white is terrorism" is a hyperbolic comment on a real issue. Yeah, try arguing that to all of the people who have their property destroyed whenever BLM get its vandalism on. So are you suggesting that there is truth to the idea that "being black is terrorism" but there isn't to "being white is terrorism", that they both have truth and your feelings were hurt, or that there isn't truth to either? I'm suggesting that your attempt to argue that there's a basis for "being white is terrorism" while there is no basis for "being black is terrorism" is foolish. I don't think that you can differentiate between the two at all. Either paint both with the broad brush or none at all. So you it was that your feelings got hurt, go it. It's funny that you want to put BLM up against the ongoing history of white supremacy in this country, and is further indicative of your own complicity in white supremacy. Like you legitimately thought we could compare the two and they are unable to be differentiated. People do realize how absurd that is right? His ongoing tirade against RW is nonsense to begin with. Everyone in this thread agrees what she did was dumb, and done poorly, and that it's wrong to openly leak classified info like that. Nobody disputes this. He then continues to dig into everything she's doing, and is now trolling people, including you, about it. It's a political non-issue. Ignore him and move on. While conveniently ignoring his original argument that infowars did nothing wrong by presenting a clearly satirical quote out of context as her view and then, when called out on that, making the argument that satire literally doesn't exist. God help anyone who ever needs xDaunt to argue anything on their behalf. People have been saying that "being brown makes you a terrorist" for decades now while making reference to societal norms and prejudices and the freedom fighter/mentally ill/terrorist trichotomy. And yet he presents it as a textbook example of how nobody would ever say that and expects us all not to notice. Welp, there's clearly a good reason why people pay me a lot of money to argue stuff on their behalf. Feel free to keep arguing that her comment was clearly satirical when she also posted this: https://twitter.com/Reezlie/status/820628983578509312
lol seriously? Do you just get triggered by the words in that and fail to process what is being said?
On June 07 2017 04:03 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 04:00 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:56 biology]major wrote:On June 07 2017 03:50 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:45 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:40 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:35 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:32 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:29 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:26 GreenHorizons wrote:
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Generally when people suggest you put something on a T-Shirt they are being facetious. But "Being black is terrorism" has no basis, whereas "being white is terrorism" is a hyperbolic comment on a real issue. Yeah, try arguing that to all of the people who have their property destroyed whenever BLM get its vandalism on. So are you suggesting that there is truth to the idea that "being black is terrorism" but there isn't to "being white is terrorism", that they both have truth and your feelings were hurt, or that there isn't truth to either? I'm suggesting that your attempt to argue that there's a basis for "being white is terrorism" while there is no basis for "being black is terrorism" is foolish. I don't think that you can differentiate between the two at all. Either paint both with the broad brush or none at all. So you it was that your feelings got hurt, go it. It's funny that you want to put BLM up against the ongoing history of white supremacy in this country, and is further indicative of your own complicity in white supremacy. Like you legitimately thought we could compare the two and they are unable to be differentiated. People do realize how absurd that is right? No, my feelings aren't hurt at all by the statement "being white is terrorism." I really don't give a shit beyond finding the statement to be both hilarious and a sad statement on the current state of society. As for your statement, I was merely pointing out the intrinsic intellectual dishonesty in it. We all know that you have an agenda to push (which we don't need to revisit), but it is ludicrous to suggest that there's no basis to brand all black people as terrorists while there is such a basis for white people. Your feelings were obviously hurt. There's no intellectual dishonesty (on my side). You're being incredibly foolish and doubling down on it by suggesting BLM or blackness and whiteness are interchangeable. I know you aren't that oblivious to history or contemporary events as to not see how preposterous that is. So I'm inclined to agree with the previous poster that you are just trolling or posting things so absurdly dumb they don't warrant interaction. If I could choose what race to be born in the US, I would choose white, asian, brown, black in that order. This is because I understand that my chances of being advantaged/disadvantaged are different based on race. That doesn't however mean that I view everything through the prism of race and blame white people for having an advantage, I don't care. Sometimes I feel that you aknowledge the differences of being black in America, but then you really try to guilt trip whites or whoever to somehow give up their position in society. That's not how it works, we have an unfair system, and it will slowly change over time, but never expect on an individual level to feel sorry for you for being black. No one wants your pity, folks want you to take responsibility for your role in perpetuating white supremacy and maybe, one day, stop. But we're literally just trying to get you folks to own it before we expect you to stop. That's where you lose me. I'm not white, but I just don't see the value in viewing everything through the prism of race. It is extremely counter productive.
That doesn't jive with my memory, what do you identify as? Also what does society identify you as?
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On June 07 2017 04:01 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 03:49 KwarK wrote:On June 07 2017 03:45 NewSunshine wrote:On June 07 2017 03:40 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:35 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:32 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:29 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:26 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:22 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:18 GreenHorizons wrote:
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Sounds like it was well taken out of context though.
But there is truth to the idea that whiteness is complicit with white terrorists. I mean your very own lack of discussion on how these white men are being radicalized and turning to terrorists is indicative of your own complicity. What was taken out of context? She told Kanye to go make a T-Shirt that says that "being white is terrorism." In light of all of the other shit that she tweeted, are we really going to pretend that she doesn't mean and believe precisely the obvious sentiment that is behind that phrase? You sure as shit wouldn't let a white person get away with telling someone to make a "being black is terrorism" T-Shirt --- and you would have no doubt what that white person meant if he also wore a white hood. Generally when people suggest you put something on a T-Shirt they are being facetious. But "Being black is terrorism" has no basis, whereas "being white is terrorism" is a hyperbolic comment on a real issue. Yeah, try arguing that to all of the people who have their property destroyed whenever BLM get its vandalism on. So are you suggesting that there is truth to the idea that "being black is terrorism" but there isn't to "being white is terrorism", that they both have truth and your feelings were hurt, or that there isn't truth to either? I'm suggesting that your attempt to argue that there's a basis for "being white is terrorism" while there is no basis for "being black is terrorism" is foolish. I don't think that you can differentiate between the two at all. Either paint both with the broad brush or none at all. So you it was that your feelings got hurt, go it. It's funny that you want to put BLM up against the ongoing history of white supremacy in this country, and is further indicative of your own complicity in white supremacy. Like you legitimately thought we could compare the two and they are unable to be differentiated. People do realize how absurd that is right? His ongoing tirade against RW is nonsense to begin with. Everyone in this thread agrees what she did was dumb, and done poorly, and that it's wrong to openly leak classified info like that. Nobody disputes this. He then continues to dig into everything she's doing, and is now trolling people, including you, about it. It's a political non-issue. Ignore him and move on. While conveniently ignoring his original argument that infowars did nothing wrong by presenting a clearly satirical quote out of context as her view and then, when called out on that, making the argument that satire literally doesn't exist. God help anyone who ever needs xDaunt to argue anything on their behalf. People have been saying that "being brown makes you a terrorist" for decades now while making reference to societal norms and prejudices and the freedom fighter/mentally ill/terrorist trichotomy. And yet he presents it as a textbook example of how nobody would ever say that and expects us all not to notice. Welp, there's clearly a good reason why people pay me a lot of money to argue stuff on their behalf. Feel free to keep arguing that her comment was clearly satirical when she also posted this: https://twitter.com/Reezlie/status/820628983578509312EDIT: In fairness, I should give you the opportunity to argue that this post is "clearly satire," too. You seem to think that you're better at this than me, so go ahead and prove it.
your argument is 'if one thing she tweets is satire, everything she tweets is?' and you're a lawyer?
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On June 07 2017 04:03 GreenHorizons wrote:
lol seriously? Do you just get triggered by the words in that and fail to process what is being said?
What's there to be triggered about? What's in that post is nothing new or creative. And I understand exactly what is being said. I simply reject it.
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United States43798 Posts
On June 07 2017 04:01 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 03:49 KwarK wrote:On June 07 2017 03:45 NewSunshine wrote:On June 07 2017 03:40 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:35 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:32 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:29 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:26 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:22 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:18 GreenHorizons wrote:
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Sounds like it was well taken out of context though.
But there is truth to the idea that whiteness is complicit with white terrorists. I mean your very own lack of discussion on how these white men are being radicalized and turning to terrorists is indicative of your own complicity. What was taken out of context? She told Kanye to go make a T-Shirt that says that "being white is terrorism." In light of all of the other shit that she tweeted, are we really going to pretend that she doesn't mean and believe precisely the obvious sentiment that is behind that phrase? You sure as shit wouldn't let a white person get away with telling someone to make a "being black is terrorism" T-Shirt --- and you would have no doubt what that white person meant if he also wore a white hood. Generally when people suggest you put something on a T-Shirt they are being facetious. But "Being black is terrorism" has no basis, whereas "being white is terrorism" is a hyperbolic comment on a real issue. Yeah, try arguing that to all of the people who have their property destroyed whenever BLM get its vandalism on. So are you suggesting that there is truth to the idea that "being black is terrorism" but there isn't to "being white is terrorism", that they both have truth and your feelings were hurt, or that there isn't truth to either? I'm suggesting that your attempt to argue that there's a basis for "being white is terrorism" while there is no basis for "being black is terrorism" is foolish. I don't think that you can differentiate between the two at all. Either paint both with the broad brush or none at all. So you it was that your feelings got hurt, go it. It's funny that you want to put BLM up against the ongoing history of white supremacy in this country, and is further indicative of your own complicity in white supremacy. Like you legitimately thought we could compare the two and they are unable to be differentiated. People do realize how absurd that is right? His ongoing tirade against RW is nonsense to begin with. Everyone in this thread agrees what she did was dumb, and done poorly, and that it's wrong to openly leak classified info like that. Nobody disputes this. He then continues to dig into everything she's doing, and is now trolling people, including you, about it. It's a political non-issue. Ignore him and move on. While conveniently ignoring his original argument that infowars did nothing wrong by presenting a clearly satirical quote out of context as her view and then, when called out on that, making the argument that satire literally doesn't exist. God help anyone who ever needs xDaunt to argue anything on their behalf. People have been saying that "being brown makes you a terrorist" for decades now while making reference to societal norms and prejudices and the freedom fighter/mentally ill/terrorist trichotomy. And yet he presents it as a textbook example of how nobody would ever say that and expects us all not to notice. Welp, there's clearly a good reason why people pay me a lot of money to argue stuff on their behalf. Feel free to keep arguing that her comment was clearly satirical when she also posted this: https://twitter.com/Reezlie/status/820628983578509312EDIT: In fairness, I should give you the opportunity to argue that this post is "clearly satire," too. You seem to think that you're better at this than me, so go ahead and prove it.
That post is not only not satire, it's also not wrong. "All rights matter" is bullshit. It also has zero bearing on what she meant in that tweet on Kanye. Is this really the best you can do? You're genuinely proud of that argument you just made?
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Canada13405 Posts
On June 07 2017 04:03 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 03:59 ZeromuS wrote:
Green, never
ever
ever
discuss race issues with xDaunt
Just, don't do it. There is not a single reasonable discussion. He's just going to rile you up and make you made then you'll start rage posting and then we'll have 10 pages of unproductive discussion on race in here between you and a troll with the odd chime in from other people. Sure, as soon as you expect him not to talk about race. Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 04:01 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:49 KwarK wrote:On June 07 2017 03:45 NewSunshine wrote:On June 07 2017 03:40 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:35 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:32 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:29 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:26 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:22 xDaunt wrote:
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What was taken out of context? She told Kanye to go make a T-Shirt that says that "being white is terrorism." In light of all of the other shit that she tweeted, are we really going to pretend that she doesn't mean and believe precisely the obvious sentiment that is behind that phrase? You sure as shit wouldn't let a white person get away with telling someone to make a "being black is terrorism" T-Shirt --- and you would have no doubt what that white person meant if he also wore a white hood. Generally when people suggest you put something on a T-Shirt they are being facetious. But "Being black is terrorism" has no basis, whereas "being white is terrorism" is a hyperbolic comment on a real issue. Yeah, try arguing that to all of the people who have their property destroyed whenever BLM get its vandalism on. So are you suggesting that there is truth to the idea that "being black is terrorism" but there isn't to "being white is terrorism", that they both have truth and your feelings were hurt, or that there isn't truth to either? I'm suggesting that your attempt to argue that there's a basis for "being white is terrorism" while there is no basis for "being black is terrorism" is foolish. I don't think that you can differentiate between the two at all. Either paint both with the broad brush or none at all. So you it was that your feelings got hurt, go it. It's funny that you want to put BLM up against the ongoing history of white supremacy in this country, and is further indicative of your own complicity in white supremacy. Like you legitimately thought we could compare the two and they are unable to be differentiated. People do realize how absurd that is right? His ongoing tirade against RW is nonsense to begin with. Everyone in this thread agrees what she did was dumb, and done poorly, and that it's wrong to openly leak classified info like that. Nobody disputes this. He then continues to dig into everything she's doing, and is now trolling people, including you, about it. It's a political non-issue. Ignore him and move on. While conveniently ignoring his original argument that infowars did nothing wrong by presenting a clearly satirical quote out of context as her view and then, when called out on that, making the argument that satire literally doesn't exist. God help anyone who ever needs xDaunt to argue anything on their behalf. People have been saying that "being brown makes you a terrorist" for decades now while making reference to societal norms and prejudices and the freedom fighter/mentally ill/terrorist trichotomy. And yet he presents it as a textbook example of how nobody would ever say that and expects us all not to notice. Welp, there's clearly a good reason why people pay me a lot of money to argue stuff on their behalf. Feel free to keep arguing that her comment was clearly satirical when she also posted this: https://twitter.com/Reezlie/status/820628983578509312 lol seriously? Do you just get triggered by the words in that and fail to process what is being said? Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 04:03 biology]major wrote:On June 07 2017 04:00 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:56 biology]major wrote:On June 07 2017 03:50 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:45 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:40 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:35 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:32 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:29 xDaunt wrote:
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Yeah, try arguing that to all of the people who have their property destroyed whenever BLM get its vandalism on. So are you suggesting that there is truth to the idea that "being black is terrorism" but there isn't to "being white is terrorism", that they both have truth and your feelings were hurt, or that there isn't truth to either? I'm suggesting that your attempt to argue that there's a basis for "being white is terrorism" while there is no basis for "being black is terrorism" is foolish. I don't think that you can differentiate between the two at all. Either paint both with the broad brush or none at all. So you it was that your feelings got hurt, go it. It's funny that you want to put BLM up against the ongoing history of white supremacy in this country, and is further indicative of your own complicity in white supremacy. Like you legitimately thought we could compare the two and they are unable to be differentiated. People do realize how absurd that is right? No, my feelings aren't hurt at all by the statement "being white is terrorism." I really don't give a shit beyond finding the statement to be both hilarious and a sad statement on the current state of society. As for your statement, I was merely pointing out the intrinsic intellectual dishonesty in it. We all know that you have an agenda to push (which we don't need to revisit), but it is ludicrous to suggest that there's no basis to brand all black people as terrorists while there is such a basis for white people. Your feelings were obviously hurt. There's no intellectual dishonesty (on my side). You're being incredibly foolish and doubling down on it by suggesting BLM or blackness and whiteness are interchangeable. I know you aren't that oblivious to history or contemporary events as to not see how preposterous that is. So I'm inclined to agree with the previous poster that you are just trolling or posting things so absurdly dumb they don't warrant interaction. If I could choose what race to be born in the US, I would choose white, asian, brown, black in that order. This is because I understand that my chances of being advantaged/disadvantaged are different based on race. That doesn't however mean that I view everything through the prism of race and blame white people for having an advantage, I don't care. Sometimes I feel that you aknowledge the differences of being black in America, but then you really try to guilt trip whites or whoever to somehow give up their position in society. That's not how it works, we have an unfair system, and it will slowly change over time, but never expect on an individual level to feel sorry for you for being black. No one wants your pity, folks want you to take responsibility for your role in perpetuating white supremacy and maybe, one day, stop. But we're literally just trying to get you folks to own it before we expect you to stop. That's where you lose me. I'm not white, but I just don't see the value in viewing everything through the prism of race. It is extremely counter productive. That doesn't jive with my memory, what do you identify as? Also what does society identify you as?
Yeah ... that post on twitter actually makes a lot of sense to me.
I benefit from my position as white, while at the same time am set back by my position as an immigrant who isn't as white as the other white people.
Granted, society sees Portuguese people as white on paper, but in my lived experience, we definitely aren't AS white as the English for example.
Its always strange as hell to have people complain to me about immigrants, or have people change how they treat me the moment they find out my name isn't "john"
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On June 07 2017 04:06 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 04:01 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:49 KwarK wrote:On June 07 2017 03:45 NewSunshine wrote:On June 07 2017 03:40 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:35 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:32 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:29 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:26 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:22 xDaunt wrote:
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What was taken out of context? She told Kanye to go make a T-Shirt that says that "being white is terrorism." In light of all of the other shit that she tweeted, are we really going to pretend that she doesn't mean and believe precisely the obvious sentiment that is behind that phrase? You sure as shit wouldn't let a white person get away with telling someone to make a "being black is terrorism" T-Shirt --- and you would have no doubt what that white person meant if he also wore a white hood. Generally when people suggest you put something on a T-Shirt they are being facetious. But "Being black is terrorism" has no basis, whereas "being white is terrorism" is a hyperbolic comment on a real issue. Yeah, try arguing that to all of the people who have their property destroyed whenever BLM get its vandalism on. So are you suggesting that there is truth to the idea that "being black is terrorism" but there isn't to "being white is terrorism", that they both have truth and your feelings were hurt, or that there isn't truth to either? I'm suggesting that your attempt to argue that there's a basis for "being white is terrorism" while there is no basis for "being black is terrorism" is foolish. I don't think that you can differentiate between the two at all. Either paint both with the broad brush or none at all. So you it was that your feelings got hurt, go it. It's funny that you want to put BLM up against the ongoing history of white supremacy in this country, and is further indicative of your own complicity in white supremacy. Like you legitimately thought we could compare the two and they are unable to be differentiated. People do realize how absurd that is right? His ongoing tirade against RW is nonsense to begin with. Everyone in this thread agrees what she did was dumb, and done poorly, and that it's wrong to openly leak classified info like that. Nobody disputes this. He then continues to dig into everything she's doing, and is now trolling people, including you, about it. It's a political non-issue. Ignore him and move on. While conveniently ignoring his original argument that infowars did nothing wrong by presenting a clearly satirical quote out of context as her view and then, when called out on that, making the argument that satire literally doesn't exist. God help anyone who ever needs xDaunt to argue anything on their behalf. People have been saying that "being brown makes you a terrorist" for decades now while making reference to societal norms and prejudices and the freedom fighter/mentally ill/terrorist trichotomy. And yet he presents it as a textbook example of how nobody would ever say that and expects us all not to notice. Welp, there's clearly a good reason why people pay me a lot of money to argue stuff on their behalf. Feel free to keep arguing that her comment was clearly satirical when she also posted this: https://twitter.com/Reezlie/status/820628983578509312EDIT: In fairness, I should give you the opportunity to argue that this post is "clearly satire," too. You seem to think that you're better at this than me, so go ahead and prove it. That post is not only not satire, it's also not wrong. "All rights matter" is bullshit. It also has zero bearing on what she meant in that tweet on Kanye. Is this really the best you can do? You're genuinely proud of that argument you just made?
You're a joke. You keep stating in a vacuum that the post is satire. I've asked you to prove it, and I have given alternative evidence of why it is not purely satire. You can keep shouting to the mountaintops all you want that it's satire, but at the end of the day, you haven't offered one iota of evidence that it is.
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On June 07 2017 04:00 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 03:56 biology]major wrote:On June 07 2017 03:50 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:45 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:40 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:35 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:32 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:29 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:26 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:22 xDaunt wrote:
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What was taken out of context? She told Kanye to go make a T-Shirt that says that "being white is terrorism." In light of all of the other shit that she tweeted, are we really going to pretend that she doesn't mean and believe precisely the obvious sentiment that is behind that phrase? You sure as shit wouldn't let a white person get away with telling someone to make a "being black is terrorism" T-Shirt --- and you would have no doubt what that white person meant if he also wore a white hood. Generally when people suggest you put something on a T-Shirt they are being facetious. But "Being black is terrorism" has no basis, whereas "being white is terrorism" is a hyperbolic comment on a real issue. Yeah, try arguing that to all of the people who have their property destroyed whenever BLM get its vandalism on. So are you suggesting that there is truth to the idea that "being black is terrorism" but there isn't to "being white is terrorism", that they both have truth and your feelings were hurt, or that there isn't truth to either? I'm suggesting that your attempt to argue that there's a basis for "being white is terrorism" while there is no basis for "being black is terrorism" is foolish. I don't think that you can differentiate between the two at all. Either paint both with the broad brush or none at all. So you it was that your feelings got hurt, go it. It's funny that you want to put BLM up against the ongoing history of white supremacy in this country, and is further indicative of your own complicity in white supremacy. Like you legitimately thought we could compare the two and they are unable to be differentiated. People do realize how absurd that is right? No, my feelings aren't hurt at all by the statement "being white is terrorism." I really don't give a shit beyond finding the statement to be both hilarious and a sad statement on the current state of society. As for your statement, I was merely pointing out the intrinsic intellectual dishonesty in it. We all know that you have an agenda to push (which we don't need to revisit), but it is ludicrous to suggest that there's no basis to brand all black people as terrorists while there is such a basis for white people. Your feelings were obviously hurt. There's no intellectual dishonesty (on my side). You're being incredibly foolish and doubling down on it by suggesting BLM or blackness and whiteness are interchangeable. I know you aren't that oblivious to history or contemporary events as to not see how preposterous that is. So I'm inclined to agree with the previous poster that you are just trolling or posting things so absurdly dumb they don't warrant interaction. If I could choose what race to be born in the US, I would choose white, asian, brown, black in that order. This is because I understand that my chances of being advantaged/disadvantaged are different based on race. That doesn't however mean that I view everything through the prism of race and blame white people for having an advantage, I don't care. Sometimes I feel that you aknowledge the differences of being black in America, but then you really try to guilt trip whites or whoever to somehow give up their position in society. That's not how it works, we have an unfair system, and it will slowly change over time, but never expect on an individual level to feel sorry for you for being black. No one wants your pity, folks want you to take responsibility for your role in perpetuating white supremacy and maybe, one day, stop. But we're literally just trying to get you folks to own it before we expect you to stop.
Can you take a step back and see how terrible a strategy is for a moment? You don't want things to get better you just want people to feel bad. You don't place any priority or urgency to fix anything or do anything about the issue you just want people to freely start associating themselves with skinheads neo nazies and the kkk in some idea that down the road they'll make things better.
You should be asking for pity and getting people to do things to make the situation better beacuse of that pity people feel. Going after the police is an unwinnable argument.
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On June 07 2017 04:03 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 04:00 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:56 biology]major wrote:On June 07 2017 03:50 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:45 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:40 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:35 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:32 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:29 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:26 GreenHorizons wrote:
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Generally when people suggest you put something on a T-Shirt they are being facetious. But "Being black is terrorism" has no basis, whereas "being white is terrorism" is a hyperbolic comment on a real issue. Yeah, try arguing that to all of the people who have their property destroyed whenever BLM get its vandalism on. So are you suggesting that there is truth to the idea that "being black is terrorism" but there isn't to "being white is terrorism", that they both have truth and your feelings were hurt, or that there isn't truth to either? I'm suggesting that your attempt to argue that there's a basis for "being white is terrorism" while there is no basis for "being black is terrorism" is foolish. I don't think that you can differentiate between the two at all. Either paint both with the broad brush or none at all. So you it was that your feelings got hurt, go it. It's funny that you want to put BLM up against the ongoing history of white supremacy in this country, and is further indicative of your own complicity in white supremacy. Like you legitimately thought we could compare the two and they are unable to be differentiated. People do realize how absurd that is right? No, my feelings aren't hurt at all by the statement "being white is terrorism." I really don't give a shit beyond finding the statement to be both hilarious and a sad statement on the current state of society. As for your statement, I was merely pointing out the intrinsic intellectual dishonesty in it. We all know that you have an agenda to push (which we don't need to revisit), but it is ludicrous to suggest that there's no basis to brand all black people as terrorists while there is such a basis for white people. Your feelings were obviously hurt. There's no intellectual dishonesty (on my side). You're being incredibly foolish and doubling down on it by suggesting BLM or blackness and whiteness are interchangeable. I know you aren't that oblivious to history or contemporary events as to not see how preposterous that is. So I'm inclined to agree with the previous poster that you are just trolling or posting things so absurdly dumb they don't warrant interaction. If I could choose what race to be born in the US, I would choose white, asian, brown, black in that order. This is because I understand that my chances of being advantaged/disadvantaged are different based on race. That doesn't however mean that I view everything through the prism of race and blame white people for having an advantage, I don't care. Sometimes I feel that you aknowledge the differences of being black in America, but then you really try to guilt trip whites or whoever to somehow give up their position in society. That's not how it works, we have an unfair system, and it will slowly change over time, but never expect on an individual level to feel sorry for you for being black. No one wants your pity, folks want you to take responsibility for your role in perpetuating white supremacy and maybe, one day, stop. But we're literally just trying to get you folks to own it before we expect you to stop. That's where you lose me. I'm not white, but I just don't see the value in viewing everything through the prism of race. It is extremely counter productive.
This is why I am not alt-right despite the constant misapplication of the label to me.
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On June 07 2017 03:44 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 03:42 a_flayer wrote:On June 07 2017 03:37 LegalLord wrote:On June 07 2017 03:28 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:26 LegalLord wrote:On June 07 2017 03:22 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:19 LegalLord wrote:
I perused just the twits myself. Those represent the kind of person who doesn't belong in intelligence. That said, her incompetence regarding securing her own safety indicates she was likely there specifically because the military is so desperate for translators. I checked their website and they happen to have an opening for her position right now. I must have missed it, what languages does she speak? That the intelligence branch needs more translators is quite apparent, that much is true.
Winner served as a linguist in the U.S. Air Force for six years and reportedly speaks three foreign languages fluently — Farsi, Dari, and Pashto.
Source That would do it. On Russian specifically, I can't help but feel bad for the intelligence wing. It's a tough language to learn with any degree of proficiency for non-natives. And in the native Russian community, despite their varying positions and political views (some love Russia, some are very rabidly anti-Russian) one thing they pretty much all agree on is that you should never work for intelligence. Even the military folk among them. And it's pretty clear that Russian language specialists are few and far between in the intelligence branch, given how often they have to resort to highly secondary sources of data (e.g. RT) because they can't translate well enough. Not to mention that anyone with any sort of nuanced view on Russia is immediately called a Putin apologist and summarily ostracised or fired. This happens in the media and probably the intelligence community as well. Russia is currently run by a fascist dictator with an expansionist foreign policy and a penchant for shooting down passenger airliners. How much nuance can we really have there? You're falling into the fallacy of the middle ground where you take two positions and insist that it's really more complicated than that and the truth is to be found in a grey area to the middle. It's nonsense.
I am not saying there is some sort "truth in the middle". I am saying that the narratives are exceptionally one-sided. With truths on one side, and truths on the other side. They do not meet in some sort of gray middle of truth because they tend to be about different points. Both sides ignore the truths of the other side to justify their respective positions.
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On June 07 2017 04:10 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 04:06 KwarK wrote:On June 07 2017 04:01 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:49 KwarK wrote:On June 07 2017 03:45 NewSunshine wrote:On June 07 2017 03:40 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:35 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:32 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:29 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:26 GreenHorizons wrote:
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Generally when people suggest you put something on a T-Shirt they are being facetious. But "Being black is terrorism" has no basis, whereas "being white is terrorism" is a hyperbolic comment on a real issue. Yeah, try arguing that to all of the people who have their property destroyed whenever BLM get its vandalism on. So are you suggesting that there is truth to the idea that "being black is terrorism" but there isn't to "being white is terrorism", that they both have truth and your feelings were hurt, or that there isn't truth to either? I'm suggesting that your attempt to argue that there's a basis for "being white is terrorism" while there is no basis for "being black is terrorism" is foolish. I don't think that you can differentiate between the two at all. Either paint both with the broad brush or none at all. So you it was that your feelings got hurt, go it. It's funny that you want to put BLM up against the ongoing history of white supremacy in this country, and is further indicative of your own complicity in white supremacy. Like you legitimately thought we could compare the two and they are unable to be differentiated. People do realize how absurd that is right? His ongoing tirade against RW is nonsense to begin with. Everyone in this thread agrees what she did was dumb, and done poorly, and that it's wrong to openly leak classified info like that. Nobody disputes this. He then continues to dig into everything she's doing, and is now trolling people, including you, about it. It's a political non-issue. Ignore him and move on. While conveniently ignoring his original argument that infowars did nothing wrong by presenting a clearly satirical quote out of context as her view and then, when called out on that, making the argument that satire literally doesn't exist. God help anyone who ever needs xDaunt to argue anything on their behalf. People have been saying that "being brown makes you a terrorist" for decades now while making reference to societal norms and prejudices and the freedom fighter/mentally ill/terrorist trichotomy. And yet he presents it as a textbook example of how nobody would ever say that and expects us all not to notice. Welp, there's clearly a good reason why people pay me a lot of money to argue stuff on their behalf. Feel free to keep arguing that her comment was clearly satirical when she also posted this: https://twitter.com/Reezlie/status/820628983578509312EDIT: In fairness, I should give you the opportunity to argue that this post is "clearly satire," too. You seem to think that you're better at this than me, so go ahead and prove it. That post is not only not satire, it's also not wrong. "All rights matter" is bullshit. It also has zero bearing on what she meant in that tweet on Kanye. Is this really the best you can do? You're genuinely proud of that argument you just made? You're a joke. You keep stating in a vacuum that the post is satire. I've asked you to prove it, and I have given alternative evidence of why it is not purely satire. You can keep shouting to the mountaintops all you want that it's satire, but at the end of the day, you haven't offered one iota of evidence that it is.
There is a substantial and ongoing societal trope that race is the dominant factor that determines whether a given person is portrayed as a terrorist. You know about this. Everyone knows about this. And your evidence that this person literally did mean that being white makes you a terrorist (which isn't even what she said, she said Kanye should put it on a t-shirt, but whatever) is that she made another post saying black lives matter. Evidence on my side, the huge and ongoing societal trope that "freedom fighter/mentally ill/terrorist" are basically interchangeable based on race. Evidence on your side. First, that satire doesn't exist and that nobody has ever heard of that. Secondly, that she made another tweet that wasn't satirical and how can one tweet be serious if another tweet wasn't. Thirdly, that she thinks black lives matter, clearly proof that the individual must be a radical anti-white racist.
How sad it must be to wake up every morning and be you. It's kinda funny too because somewhere out there a law school very clearly owes you a full refund for your education but unfortunately you'd never win the argument to actually get it.
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On June 07 2017 04:10 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 04:06 KwarK wrote:On June 07 2017 04:01 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:49 KwarK wrote:On June 07 2017 03:45 NewSunshine wrote:On June 07 2017 03:40 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:35 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:32 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:29 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:26 GreenHorizons wrote:
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Generally when people suggest you put something on a T-Shirt they are being facetious. But "Being black is terrorism" has no basis, whereas "being white is terrorism" is a hyperbolic comment on a real issue. Yeah, try arguing that to all of the people who have their property destroyed whenever BLM get its vandalism on. So are you suggesting that there is truth to the idea that "being black is terrorism" but there isn't to "being white is terrorism", that they both have truth and your feelings were hurt, or that there isn't truth to either? I'm suggesting that your attempt to argue that there's a basis for "being white is terrorism" while there is no basis for "being black is terrorism" is foolish. I don't think that you can differentiate between the two at all. Either paint both with the broad brush or none at all. So you it was that your feelings got hurt, go it. It's funny that you want to put BLM up against the ongoing history of white supremacy in this country, and is further indicative of your own complicity in white supremacy. Like you legitimately thought we could compare the two and they are unable to be differentiated. People do realize how absurd that is right? His ongoing tirade against RW is nonsense to begin with. Everyone in this thread agrees what she did was dumb, and done poorly, and that it's wrong to openly leak classified info like that. Nobody disputes this. He then continues to dig into everything she's doing, and is now trolling people, including you, about it. It's a political non-issue. Ignore him and move on. While conveniently ignoring his original argument that infowars did nothing wrong by presenting a clearly satirical quote out of context as her view and then, when called out on that, making the argument that satire literally doesn't exist. God help anyone who ever needs xDaunt to argue anything on their behalf. People have been saying that "being brown makes you a terrorist" for decades now while making reference to societal norms and prejudices and the freedom fighter/mentally ill/terrorist trichotomy. And yet he presents it as a textbook example of how nobody would ever say that and expects us all not to notice. Welp, there's clearly a good reason why people pay me a lot of money to argue stuff on their behalf. Feel free to keep arguing that her comment was clearly satirical when she also posted this: https://twitter.com/Reezlie/status/820628983578509312EDIT: In fairness, I should give you the opportunity to argue that this post is "clearly satire," too. You seem to think that you're better at this than me, so go ahead and prove it. That post is not only not satire, it's also not wrong. "All rights matter" is bullshit. It also has zero bearing on what she meant in that tweet on Kanye. Is this really the best you can do? You're genuinely proud of that argument you just made? You're a joke. You keep stating in a vacuum that the post is satire. I've asked you to prove it, and I have given alternative evidence of why it is not purely satire. You can keep shouting to the mountaintops all you want that it's satire, but at the end of the day, you haven't offered one iota of evidence that it is.
His evidence is in that the all rights matter argument is bullshit. At best the thing you posted is just low level retorhical nonsense.
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On June 07 2017 04:12 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 04:00 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:56 biology]major wrote:On June 07 2017 03:50 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:45 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:40 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:35 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:32 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:29 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:26 GreenHorizons wrote:
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Generally when people suggest you put something on a T-Shirt they are being facetious. But "Being black is terrorism" has no basis, whereas "being white is terrorism" is a hyperbolic comment on a real issue. Yeah, try arguing that to all of the people who have their property destroyed whenever BLM get its vandalism on. So are you suggesting that there is truth to the idea that "being black is terrorism" but there isn't to "being white is terrorism", that they both have truth and your feelings were hurt, or that there isn't truth to either? I'm suggesting that your attempt to argue that there's a basis for "being white is terrorism" while there is no basis for "being black is terrorism" is foolish. I don't think that you can differentiate between the two at all. Either paint both with the broad brush or none at all. So you it was that your feelings got hurt, go it. It's funny that you want to put BLM up against the ongoing history of white supremacy in this country, and is further indicative of your own complicity in white supremacy. Like you legitimately thought we could compare the two and they are unable to be differentiated. People do realize how absurd that is right? No, my feelings aren't hurt at all by the statement "being white is terrorism." I really don't give a shit beyond finding the statement to be both hilarious and a sad statement on the current state of society. As for your statement, I was merely pointing out the intrinsic intellectual dishonesty in it. We all know that you have an agenda to push (which we don't need to revisit), but it is ludicrous to suggest that there's no basis to brand all black people as terrorists while there is such a basis for white people. Your feelings were obviously hurt. There's no intellectual dishonesty (on my side). You're being incredibly foolish and doubling down on it by suggesting BLM or blackness and whiteness are interchangeable. I know you aren't that oblivious to history or contemporary events as to not see how preposterous that is. So I'm inclined to agree with the previous poster that you are just trolling or posting things so absurdly dumb they don't warrant interaction. If I could choose what race to be born in the US, I would choose white, asian, brown, black in that order. This is because I understand that my chances of being advantaged/disadvantaged are different based on race. That doesn't however mean that I view everything through the prism of race and blame white people for having an advantage, I don't care. Sometimes I feel that you aknowledge the differences of being black in America, but then you really try to guilt trip whites or whoever to somehow give up their position in society. That's not how it works, we have an unfair system, and it will slowly change over time, but never expect on an individual level to feel sorry for you for being black. No one wants your pity, folks want you to take responsibility for your role in perpetuating white supremacy and maybe, one day, stop. But we're literally just trying to get you folks to own it before we expect you to stop. Can you take a step back and see how terrible a strategy is for a moment? You don't want things to get better you just want people to feel bad. You don't place any priority or urgency to fix anything or do anything about the issue you just want people to freely start associating themselves with skinheads neo nazies and the kkk in some idea that down the road they'll make things better. You should be asking for pity and getting people to do things to make the situation better beacuse of that pity people feel. Going after the police is an unwinnable argument.
both of these strategies are not only terrible, but expecations of other people are way too high. People are out there worrying about their own problems, and GH expects them to be like wait, "oh shit I'm white!". That is so foolish it's absurd. If you see something unfair like police discrimination, run for office and make a platform against it.
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On June 07 2017 04:12 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 04:00 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:56 biology]major wrote:On June 07 2017 03:50 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:45 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:40 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:35 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:32 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:29 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:26 GreenHorizons wrote:
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Generally when people suggest you put something on a T-Shirt they are being facetious. But "Being black is terrorism" has no basis, whereas "being white is terrorism" is a hyperbolic comment on a real issue. Yeah, try arguing that to all of the people who have their property destroyed whenever BLM get its vandalism on. So are you suggesting that there is truth to the idea that "being black is terrorism" but there isn't to "being white is terrorism", that they both have truth and your feelings were hurt, or that there isn't truth to either? I'm suggesting that your attempt to argue that there's a basis for "being white is terrorism" while there is no basis for "being black is terrorism" is foolish. I don't think that you can differentiate between the two at all. Either paint both with the broad brush or none at all. So you it was that your feelings got hurt, go it. It's funny that you want to put BLM up against the ongoing history of white supremacy in this country, and is further indicative of your own complicity in white supremacy. Like you legitimately thought we could compare the two and they are unable to be differentiated. People do realize how absurd that is right? No, my feelings aren't hurt at all by the statement "being white is terrorism." I really don't give a shit beyond finding the statement to be both hilarious and a sad statement on the current state of society. As for your statement, I was merely pointing out the intrinsic intellectual dishonesty in it. We all know that you have an agenda to push (which we don't need to revisit), but it is ludicrous to suggest that there's no basis to brand all black people as terrorists while there is such a basis for white people. Your feelings were obviously hurt. There's no intellectual dishonesty (on my side). You're being incredibly foolish and doubling down on it by suggesting BLM or blackness and whiteness are interchangeable. I know you aren't that oblivious to history or contemporary events as to not see how preposterous that is. So I'm inclined to agree with the previous poster that you are just trolling or posting things so absurdly dumb they don't warrant interaction. If I could choose what race to be born in the US, I would choose white, asian, brown, black in that order. This is because I understand that my chances of being advantaged/disadvantaged are different based on race. That doesn't however mean that I view everything through the prism of race and blame white people for having an advantage, I don't care. Sometimes I feel that you aknowledge the differences of being black in America, but then you really try to guilt trip whites or whoever to somehow give up their position in society. That's not how it works, we have an unfair system, and it will slowly change over time, but never expect on an individual level to feel sorry for you for being black. No one wants your pity, folks want you to take responsibility for your role in perpetuating white supremacy and maybe, one day, stop. But we're literally just trying to get you folks to own it before we expect you to stop. Can you take a step back and see how terrible a strategy is for a moment? You don't want things to get better you just want people to feel bad. You don't place any priority or urgency to fix anything or do anything about the issue you just want people to freely start associating themselves with skinheads neo nazies and the kkk in some idea that down the road they'll make things better. You should be asking for pity and getting people to do things to make the situation better beacuse of that pity people feel. Going after the police is an unwinnable argument.
I think you're misinterpreting his comments. He doesn't want people to feel bad, he wants people to understand their current role (whether its perpetuating the issues - here he usually makes an assumption, and their possible role in correcting it) so that then we can begin the process of correction. You cant fix a problem if half the people with the problem dont even acknowledge it. Pity fades, understanding lasts a lifetime, and gets passed down to the next generation.
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On June 07 2017 04:12 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 04:00 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:56 biology]major wrote:On June 07 2017 03:50 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:45 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:40 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:35 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:32 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:29 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:26 GreenHorizons wrote:
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Generally when people suggest you put something on a T-Shirt they are being facetious. But "Being black is terrorism" has no basis, whereas "being white is terrorism" is a hyperbolic comment on a real issue. Yeah, try arguing that to all of the people who have their property destroyed whenever BLM get its vandalism on. So are you suggesting that there is truth to the idea that "being black is terrorism" but there isn't to "being white is terrorism", that they both have truth and your feelings were hurt, or that there isn't truth to either? I'm suggesting that your attempt to argue that there's a basis for "being white is terrorism" while there is no basis for "being black is terrorism" is foolish. I don't think that you can differentiate between the two at all. Either paint both with the broad brush or none at all. So you it was that your feelings got hurt, go it. It's funny that you want to put BLM up against the ongoing history of white supremacy in this country, and is further indicative of your own complicity in white supremacy. Like you legitimately thought we could compare the two and they are unable to be differentiated. People do realize how absurd that is right? No, my feelings aren't hurt at all by the statement "being white is terrorism." I really don't give a shit beyond finding the statement to be both hilarious and a sad statement on the current state of society. As for your statement, I was merely pointing out the intrinsic intellectual dishonesty in it. We all know that you have an agenda to push (which we don't need to revisit), but it is ludicrous to suggest that there's no basis to brand all black people as terrorists while there is such a basis for white people. Your feelings were obviously hurt. There's no intellectual dishonesty (on my side). You're being incredibly foolish and doubling down on it by suggesting BLM or blackness and whiteness are interchangeable. I know you aren't that oblivious to history or contemporary events as to not see how preposterous that is. So I'm inclined to agree with the previous poster that you are just trolling or posting things so absurdly dumb they don't warrant interaction. If I could choose what race to be born in the US, I would choose white, asian, brown, black in that order. This is because I understand that my chances of being advantaged/disadvantaged are different based on race. That doesn't however mean that I view everything through the prism of race and blame white people for having an advantage, I don't care. Sometimes I feel that you aknowledge the differences of being black in America, but then you really try to guilt trip whites or whoever to somehow give up their position in society. That's not how it works, we have an unfair system, and it will slowly change over time, but never expect on an individual level to feel sorry for you for being black. No one wants your pity, folks want you to take responsibility for your role in perpetuating white supremacy and maybe, one day, stop. But we're literally just trying to get you folks to own it before we expect you to stop. Can you take a step back and see how terrible a strategy is for a moment? You don't want things to get better you just want people to feel bad. You don't place any priority or urgency to fix anything or do anything about the issue you just want people to freely start associating themselves with skinheads neo nazies and the kkk in some idea that down the road they'll make things better. You should be asking for pity and getting people to do things to make the situation better beacuse of that pity people feel. Going after the police is an unwinnable argument.
Can you take a step back and see how terrible your argument is?
You're saying I want things to get worse for myself because I want people to feel bad. You took my explanation that white people don't improve their behavior unless and until they recognize that "their role in white supremacy" and turned it into an accusation of being a Nazi with a white hood.
Then you're telling me I should be begging for your pity, instead of demanding my rights.
On June 07 2017 04:18 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 04:12 Sermokala wrote:On June 07 2017 04:00 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:56 biology]major wrote:On June 07 2017 03:50 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:45 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:40 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:35 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:32 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:29 xDaunt wrote:
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Yeah, try arguing that to all of the people who have their property destroyed whenever BLM get its vandalism on. So are you suggesting that there is truth to the idea that "being black is terrorism" but there isn't to "being white is terrorism", that they both have truth and your feelings were hurt, or that there isn't truth to either? I'm suggesting that your attempt to argue that there's a basis for "being white is terrorism" while there is no basis for "being black is terrorism" is foolish. I don't think that you can differentiate between the two at all. Either paint both with the broad brush or none at all. So you it was that your feelings got hurt, go it. It's funny that you want to put BLM up against the ongoing history of white supremacy in this country, and is further indicative of your own complicity in white supremacy. Like you legitimately thought we could compare the two and they are unable to be differentiated. People do realize how absurd that is right? No, my feelings aren't hurt at all by the statement "being white is terrorism." I really don't give a shit beyond finding the statement to be both hilarious and a sad statement on the current state of society. As for your statement, I was merely pointing out the intrinsic intellectual dishonesty in it. We all know that you have an agenda to push (which we don't need to revisit), but it is ludicrous to suggest that there's no basis to brand all black people as terrorists while there is such a basis for white people. Your feelings were obviously hurt. There's no intellectual dishonesty (on my side). You're being incredibly foolish and doubling down on it by suggesting BLM or blackness and whiteness are interchangeable. I know you aren't that oblivious to history or contemporary events as to not see how preposterous that is. So I'm inclined to agree with the previous poster that you are just trolling or posting things so absurdly dumb they don't warrant interaction. If I could choose what race to be born in the US, I would choose white, asian, brown, black in that order. This is because I understand that my chances of being advantaged/disadvantaged are different based on race. That doesn't however mean that I view everything through the prism of race and blame white people for having an advantage, I don't care. Sometimes I feel that you aknowledge the differences of being black in America, but then you really try to guilt trip whites or whoever to somehow give up their position in society. That's not how it works, we have an unfair system, and it will slowly change over time, but never expect on an individual level to feel sorry for you for being black. No one wants your pity, folks want you to take responsibility for your role in perpetuating white supremacy and maybe, one day, stop. But we're literally just trying to get you folks to own it before we expect you to stop. Can you take a step back and see how terrible a strategy is for a moment? You don't want things to get better you just want people to feel bad. You don't place any priority or urgency to fix anything or do anything about the issue you just want people to freely start associating themselves with skinheads neo nazies and the kkk in some idea that down the road they'll make things better. You should be asking for pity and getting people to do things to make the situation better beacuse of that pity people feel. Going after the police is an unwinnable argument. both of these strategies are not only terrible, but expecations of other people are way too high. People are out there worrying about their own problems, and GH expects them to be like wait, "oh shit I'm white!". That is so foolish it's absurd. If you see something unfair like police discrimination, run for office and make a platform against it.
Yeah what kind of idiot thinks white people can think about anyone but themselves...?
Also are you really using the "run for office" line?
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On June 07 2017 04:18 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 04:12 Sermokala wrote:On June 07 2017 04:00 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:56 biology]major wrote:On June 07 2017 03:50 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:45 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:40 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:35 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:32 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:29 xDaunt wrote:
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Yeah, try arguing that to all of the people who have their property destroyed whenever BLM get its vandalism on. So are you suggesting that there is truth to the idea that "being black is terrorism" but there isn't to "being white is terrorism", that they both have truth and your feelings were hurt, or that there isn't truth to either? I'm suggesting that your attempt to argue that there's a basis for "being white is terrorism" while there is no basis for "being black is terrorism" is foolish. I don't think that you can differentiate between the two at all. Either paint both with the broad brush or none at all. So you it was that your feelings got hurt, go it. It's funny that you want to put BLM up against the ongoing history of white supremacy in this country, and is further indicative of your own complicity in white supremacy. Like you legitimately thought we could compare the two and they are unable to be differentiated. People do realize how absurd that is right? No, my feelings aren't hurt at all by the statement "being white is terrorism." I really don't give a shit beyond finding the statement to be both hilarious and a sad statement on the current state of society. As for your statement, I was merely pointing out the intrinsic intellectual dishonesty in it. We all know that you have an agenda to push (which we don't need to revisit), but it is ludicrous to suggest that there's no basis to brand all black people as terrorists while there is such a basis for white people. Your feelings were obviously hurt. There's no intellectual dishonesty (on my side). You're being incredibly foolish and doubling down on it by suggesting BLM or blackness and whiteness are interchangeable. I know you aren't that oblivious to history or contemporary events as to not see how preposterous that is. So I'm inclined to agree with the previous poster that you are just trolling or posting things so absurdly dumb they don't warrant interaction. If I could choose what race to be born in the US, I would choose white, asian, brown, black in that order. This is because I understand that my chances of being advantaged/disadvantaged are different based on race. That doesn't however mean that I view everything through the prism of race and blame white people for having an advantage, I don't care. Sometimes I feel that you aknowledge the differences of being black in America, but then you really try to guilt trip whites or whoever to somehow give up their position in society. That's not how it works, we have an unfair system, and it will slowly change over time, but never expect on an individual level to feel sorry for you for being black. No one wants your pity, folks want you to take responsibility for your role in perpetuating white supremacy and maybe, one day, stop. But we're literally just trying to get you folks to own it before we expect you to stop. Can you take a step back and see how terrible a strategy is for a moment? You don't want things to get better you just want people to feel bad. You don't place any priority or urgency to fix anything or do anything about the issue you just want people to freely start associating themselves with skinheads neo nazies and the kkk in some idea that down the road they'll make things better. You should be asking for pity and getting people to do things to make the situation better beacuse of that pity people feel. Going after the police is an unwinnable argument. both of these strategies are not only terrible, but expecations of other people are way too high. People are out there worrying about their own problems, and GH expects them to be like wait, "oh shit I'm white!". That is so foolish it's absurd. If you see something unfair like police discrimination, run for office and make a platform against it.
The problem is that you'll always lose the votes from the people who regardless of race live in better parts of town that would prefer lower crime to lower police descriminstion. You can't fight against the symptoms of a disease and expect to get anywhere.
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On June 07 2017 04:15 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 04:10 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 04:06 KwarK wrote:On June 07 2017 04:01 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:49 KwarK wrote:On June 07 2017 03:45 NewSunshine wrote:On June 07 2017 03:40 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:35 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:32 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:29 xDaunt wrote:
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Yeah, try arguing that to all of the people who have their property destroyed whenever BLM get its vandalism on. So are you suggesting that there is truth to the idea that "being black is terrorism" but there isn't to "being white is terrorism", that they both have truth and your feelings were hurt, or that there isn't truth to either? I'm suggesting that your attempt to argue that there's a basis for "being white is terrorism" while there is no basis for "being black is terrorism" is foolish. I don't think that you can differentiate between the two at all. Either paint both with the broad brush or none at all. So you it was that your feelings got hurt, go it. It's funny that you want to put BLM up against the ongoing history of white supremacy in this country, and is further indicative of your own complicity in white supremacy. Like you legitimately thought we could compare the two and they are unable to be differentiated. People do realize how absurd that is right? His ongoing tirade against RW is nonsense to begin with. Everyone in this thread agrees what she did was dumb, and done poorly, and that it's wrong to openly leak classified info like that. Nobody disputes this. He then continues to dig into everything she's doing, and is now trolling people, including you, about it. It's a political non-issue. Ignore him and move on. While conveniently ignoring his original argument that infowars did nothing wrong by presenting a clearly satirical quote out of context as her view and then, when called out on that, making the argument that satire literally doesn't exist. God help anyone who ever needs xDaunt to argue anything on their behalf. People have been saying that "being brown makes you a terrorist" for decades now while making reference to societal norms and prejudices and the freedom fighter/mentally ill/terrorist trichotomy. And yet he presents it as a textbook example of how nobody would ever say that and expects us all not to notice. Welp, there's clearly a good reason why people pay me a lot of money to argue stuff on their behalf. Feel free to keep arguing that her comment was clearly satirical when she also posted this: https://twitter.com/Reezlie/status/820628983578509312EDIT: In fairness, I should give you the opportunity to argue that this post is "clearly satire," too. You seem to think that you're better at this than me, so go ahead and prove it. That post is not only not satire, it's also not wrong. "All rights matter" is bullshit. It also has zero bearing on what she meant in that tweet on Kanye. Is this really the best you can do? You're genuinely proud of that argument you just made? You're a joke. You keep stating in a vacuum that the post is satire. I've asked you to prove it, and I have given alternative evidence of why it is not purely satire. You can keep shouting to the mountaintops all you want that it's satire, but at the end of the day, you haven't offered one iota of evidence that it is. There is a substantial and ongoing societal trope that race is the dominant factor that determines whether a given person is portrayed as a terrorist. You know about this. Everyone knows about this. And your evidence that this person literally did mean that being white makes you a terrorist (which isn't even what she said, she said Kanye should put it on a t-shirt, but whatever) is that she made another post saying black lives matter. How sad it must be to wake up every morning and be you. It's kinda funny because somewhere out there a law school very clearly owes you a full refund for your education but unfortunately you'd never win the argument to actually get it.
So the only way that you're going to get there is by reading into her statements all sorts of extraneous shit that you don't even know was on her mind. Got it. Bang up job, old chap. You might as well just become her publicist and rewrite all of her shit for her.
And let me take a moment to very directly address your constant attacks on my profession, practice, and person. First, this very clearly is a breach of TL rules and guidelines. I've kept my mouth shut on website feedback forum for the past couple of weeks because I actually thought that TL staff would speak to you about this stuff. Clearly they haven't. To say the least, moderation staff has failed this thread, yet again.
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