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On June 07 2017 03:30 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 03:22 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:18 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:14 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:13 Neneu wrote:On June 07 2017 03:02 xDaunt wrote:Also, in case anyone missed this, Reality Winners seems like a real piece of work. Who the hell thought it would be a good idea to give this person any kind of security clearance? EDIT: "Being white is terrorism" hahahaha Infowars is reliable media? Which conspiracy theory is it now? I don't see any reliability problems when Infowars is citing and linking to Reality Winners' own social media. I would have thought that y'all would immediately be able to see the difference. My disappointment never ceases. Sounds like it was well taken out of context though. But there is truth to the idea that whiteness is complicit with white terrorists. I mean your very own lack of discussion on how these white men are being radicalized and turning to terrorists is indicative of your own complicity. What was taken out of context? She told Kanye to go make a T-Shirt that says that "being white is terrorism." In light of all of the other shit that she tweeted, are we really going to pretend that she doesn't mean and believe precisely the obvious sentiment that is behind that phrase? You sure as shit wouldn't let a white person get away with telling someone to make a "being black is terrorism" T-Shirt --- and you would have no doubt what that white person meant if he also wore a white hood. You seem to care an awful lot more about Reality Winner's leak fumble, and apparently everything else she does in her free time, than about any concurrent stories. She made a move that was dumb, did it poorly, and is being punished, end of story.
I really don't care about her at all. I'm just highly amused that she fits all of the stereotypes that I was imagining when I first heard about her getting busted for the leaks.
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On June 07 2017 03:29 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 03:26 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:22 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:18 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:14 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:13 Neneu wrote:On June 07 2017 03:02 xDaunt wrote:Also, in case anyone missed this, Reality Winners seems like a real piece of work. Who the hell thought it would be a good idea to give this person any kind of security clearance? EDIT: "Being white is terrorism" hahahaha Infowars is reliable media? Which conspiracy theory is it now? I don't see any reliability problems when Infowars is citing and linking to Reality Winners' own social media. I would have thought that y'all would immediately be able to see the difference. My disappointment never ceases. Sounds like it was well taken out of context though. But there is truth to the idea that whiteness is complicit with white terrorists. I mean your very own lack of discussion on how these white men are being radicalized and turning to terrorists is indicative of your own complicity. What was taken out of context? She told Kanye to go make a T-Shirt that says that "being white is terrorism." In light of all of the other shit that she tweeted, are we really going to pretend that she doesn't mean and believe precisely the obvious sentiment that is behind that phrase? You sure as shit wouldn't let a white person get away with telling someone to make a "being black is terrorism" T-Shirt --- and you would have no doubt what that white person meant if he also wore a white hood. Generally when people suggest you put something on a T-Shirt they are being facetious. But "Being black is terrorism" has no basis, whereas "being white is terrorism" is a hyperbolic comment on a real issue. Yeah, try arguing that to all of the people who have their property destroyed whenever BLM get its vandalism on.
So are you suggesting that there is truth to the idea that "being black is terrorism" but there isn't to "being white is terrorism", that they both have truth and your feelings were hurt, or that there isn't truth to either?
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This is all not to mention she generally tweets crazy stuff from her twitter account like Louis Mensch was her idol. It should be a second check on hoping against hope that she had ironic white fragility tendencies. Now she gets to be the subject of prosecution from agency headed by a "Confederate general" (her words).
Also, I think she claims she didn't actually intend to harm national security through her actions and gets out of this.
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She's just a textbook example of polarization in social media.
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On June 07 2017 03:32 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 03:29 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:26 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:22 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:18 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:14 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:13 Neneu wrote:On June 07 2017 03:02 xDaunt wrote:Also, in case anyone missed this, Reality Winners seems like a real piece of work. Who the hell thought it would be a good idea to give this person any kind of security clearance? EDIT: "Being white is terrorism" hahahaha Infowars is reliable media? Which conspiracy theory is it now? I don't see any reliability problems when Infowars is citing and linking to Reality Winners' own social media. I would have thought that y'all would immediately be able to see the difference. My disappointment never ceases. Sounds like it was well taken out of context though. But there is truth to the idea that whiteness is complicit with white terrorists. I mean your very own lack of discussion on how these white men are being radicalized and turning to terrorists is indicative of your own complicity. What was taken out of context? She told Kanye to go make a T-Shirt that says that "being white is terrorism." In light of all of the other shit that she tweeted, are we really going to pretend that she doesn't mean and believe precisely the obvious sentiment that is behind that phrase? You sure as shit wouldn't let a white person get away with telling someone to make a "being black is terrorism" T-Shirt --- and you would have no doubt what that white person meant if he also wore a white hood. Generally when people suggest you put something on a T-Shirt they are being facetious. But "Being black is terrorism" has no basis, whereas "being white is terrorism" is a hyperbolic comment on a real issue. Yeah, try arguing that to all of the people who have their property destroyed whenever BLM get its vandalism on. So are you suggesting that there is truth to the idea that "being black is terrorism" but there isn't to "being white is terrorism", that they both have truth and your feelings were hurt, or that there isn't truth to either?
I'm suggesting that your attempt to argue that there's a basis for "being white is terrorism" while there is no basis for "being black is terrorism" is foolish. I don't think that you can differentiate between the two at all. Either paint both with the broad brush or none at all.
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On June 07 2017 03:32 Danglars wrote:
This is all not to mention she generally tweets crazy stuff from her twitter account like Louis Mensch was her idol. It should be a second check on hoping against hope that she had ironic white fragility tendencies. Now she gets to be the subject of prosecution from agency headed by a "Confederate general" (her words).
Also, I think she claims she didn't actually intend to harm national security through her actions and gets out of this.
Nah, she's toast. Simply intentionally leaking materials should be enough to show requisite intent for prosecution, and Trump is going to make an example out of her.
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On June 07 2017 03:31 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 03:30 NewSunshine wrote:On June 07 2017 03:22 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:18 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:14 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:13 Neneu wrote:On June 07 2017 03:02 xDaunt wrote:Also, in case anyone missed this, Reality Winners seems like a real piece of work. Who the hell thought it would be a good idea to give this person any kind of security clearance? EDIT: "Being white is terrorism" hahahaha Infowars is reliable media? Which conspiracy theory is it now? I don't see any reliability problems when Infowars is citing and linking to Reality Winners' own social media. I would have thought that y'all would immediately be able to see the difference. My disappointment never ceases. Sounds like it was well taken out of context though. But there is truth to the idea that whiteness is complicit with white terrorists. I mean your very own lack of discussion on how these white men are being radicalized and turning to terrorists is indicative of your own complicity. What was taken out of context? She told Kanye to go make a T-Shirt that says that "being white is terrorism." In light of all of the other shit that she tweeted, are we really going to pretend that she doesn't mean and believe precisely the obvious sentiment that is behind that phrase? You sure as shit wouldn't let a white person get away with telling someone to make a "being black is terrorism" T-Shirt --- and you would have no doubt what that white person meant if he also wore a white hood. You seem to care an awful lot more about Reality Winner's leak fumble, and apparently everything else she does in her free time, than about any concurrent stories. She made a move that was dumb, did it poorly, and is being punished, end of story. I really don't care about her at all. I'm just highly amused that she fits all of the stereotypes that I was imagining when I first heard about her getting busted for the leaks.
And you made sure to let us all know. I know you'd rather the narrative be exclusively about "busting leakers" and making fun of everything they are/do, but Trump's administration isn't going to be leak-free anytime soon. If they weren't making sketchy/absolutely moronic decisions all the time, the leaks would only help them. That is not the case.
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On June 07 2017 03:28 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 03:26 LegalLord wrote:On June 07 2017 03:22 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:19 LegalLord wrote:
I perused just the twits myself. Those represent the kind of person who doesn't belong in intelligence. That said, her incompetence regarding securing her own safety indicates she was likely there specifically because the military is so desperate for translators. I checked their website and they happen to have an opening for her position right now. I must have missed it, what languages does she speak? That the intelligence branch needs more translators is quite apparent, that much is true. Show nested quote +
Winner served as a linguist in the U.S. Air Force for six years and reportedly speaks three foreign languages fluently — Farsi, Dari, and Pashto.
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That would do it.
On Russian specifically, I can't help but feel bad for the intelligence wing. It's a tough language to learn with any degree of proficiency for non-natives. And in the native Russian community, despite their varying positions and political views (some love Russia, some are very rabidly anti-Russian) one thing they pretty much all agree on is that you should never work for intelligence. Even the military folk among them. And it's pretty clear that Russian language specialists are few and far between in the intelligence branch, given how often they have to resort to highly secondary sources of data (e.g. RT) because they can't translate well enough.
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On June 07 2017 03:32 Danglars wrote:
This is all not to mention she generally tweets crazy stuff from her twitter account like Louis Mensch was her idol. It should be a second check on hoping against hope that she had ironic white fragility tendencies. Now she gets to be the subject of prosecution from agency headed by a "Confederate general" (her words).
Also, I think she claims she didn't actually intend to harm national security through her actions and gets out of this.
I don't think the intentions of a leaker really matter. If she is a loon, then so what? What matters is whether the leaked information is in the public interest. In this case it seems to be, because it informs the public about what the government knows about Russia's covert warfare against the USA. In my view, citizens have a right to know if another country (allegedly) wages war against them.
On June 07 2017 03:35 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 03:32 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:29 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:26 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:22 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:18 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:14 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:13 Neneu wrote:On June 07 2017 03:02 xDaunt wrote:Also, in case anyone missed this, Reality Winners seems like a real piece of work. Who the hell thought it would be a good idea to give this person any kind of security clearance? EDIT: "Being white is terrorism" hahahaha Infowars is reliable media? Which conspiracy theory is it now? I don't see any reliability problems when Infowars is citing and linking to Reality Winners' own social media. I would have thought that y'all would immediately be able to see the difference. My disappointment never ceases. Sounds like it was well taken out of context though. But there is truth to the idea that whiteness is complicit with white terrorists. I mean your very own lack of discussion on how these white men are being radicalized and turning to terrorists is indicative of your own complicity. What was taken out of context? She told Kanye to go make a T-Shirt that says that "being white is terrorism." In light of all of the other shit that she tweeted, are we really going to pretend that she doesn't mean and believe precisely the obvious sentiment that is behind that phrase? You sure as shit wouldn't let a white person get away with telling someone to make a "being black is terrorism" T-Shirt --- and you would have no doubt what that white person meant if he also wore a white hood. Generally when people suggest you put something on a T-Shirt they are being facetious. But "Being black is terrorism" has no basis, whereas "being white is terrorism" is a hyperbolic comment on a real issue. Yeah, try arguing that to all of the people who have their property destroyed whenever BLM get its vandalism on. So are you suggesting that there is truth to the idea that "being black is terrorism" but there isn't to "being white is terrorism", that they both have truth and your feelings were hurt, or that there isn't truth to either? I'm suggesting that your attempt to argue that there's a basis for "being white is terrorism" while there is no basis for "being black is terrorism" is foolish. I don't think that you can differentiate between the two at all. Either paint both with the broad brush or none at all.
Have you heard? If you change words in a sentence the meaning changes. In this case whiteness is not the same as blackness and you can't do a search and replace and have semantic equivalence.
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On June 07 2017 03:35 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 03:32 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:29 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:26 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:22 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:18 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:14 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:13 Neneu wrote:On June 07 2017 03:02 xDaunt wrote:Also, in case anyone missed this, Reality Winners seems like a real piece of work. Who the hell thought it would be a good idea to give this person any kind of security clearance? EDIT: "Being white is terrorism" hahahaha Infowars is reliable media? Which conspiracy theory is it now? I don't see any reliability problems when Infowars is citing and linking to Reality Winners' own social media. I would have thought that y'all would immediately be able to see the difference. My disappointment never ceases. Sounds like it was well taken out of context though. But there is truth to the idea that whiteness is complicit with white terrorists. I mean your very own lack of discussion on how these white men are being radicalized and turning to terrorists is indicative of your own complicity. What was taken out of context? She told Kanye to go make a T-Shirt that says that "being white is terrorism." In light of all of the other shit that she tweeted, are we really going to pretend that she doesn't mean and believe precisely the obvious sentiment that is behind that phrase? You sure as shit wouldn't let a white person get away with telling someone to make a "being black is terrorism" T-Shirt --- and you would have no doubt what that white person meant if he also wore a white hood. Generally when people suggest you put something on a T-Shirt they are being facetious. But "Being black is terrorism" has no basis, whereas "being white is terrorism" is a hyperbolic comment on a real issue. Yeah, try arguing that to all of the people who have their property destroyed whenever BLM get its vandalism on. So are you suggesting that there is truth to the idea that "being black is terrorism" but there isn't to "being white is terrorism", that they both have truth and your feelings were hurt, or that there isn't truth to either? I'm suggesting that your attempt to argue that there's a basis for "being white is terrorism" while there is no basis for "being black is terrorism" is foolish. I don't think that you can differentiate between the two at all. Either paint both with the broad brush or none at all.
So it was that your feelings got hurt, go it.
It's funny that you want to put BLM up against the ongoing history of white supremacy in this country, and is further indicative of your own complicity in white supremacy. Like you legitimately thought we could compare the two and they are unable to be differentiated.
People do realize how absurd that is right?
EDIT: Like you guys remember when BLM violated hundreds of thousands of people's 4th amendment rights by stopping and searching them for no other reason other than that they were "suspicious looking" white males?
If you think BLM and white supremacy are indistinguishable you understand nothing about either.
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On June 07 2017 03:37 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 03:28 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:26 LegalLord wrote:On June 07 2017 03:22 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:19 LegalLord wrote:
I perused just the twits myself. Those represent the kind of person who doesn't belong in intelligence. That said, her incompetence regarding securing her own safety indicates she was likely there specifically because the military is so desperate for translators. I checked their website and they happen to have an opening for her position right now. I must have missed it, what languages does she speak? That the intelligence branch needs more translators is quite apparent, that much is true.
Winner served as a linguist in the U.S. Air Force for six years and reportedly speaks three foreign languages fluently — Farsi, Dari, and Pashto.
Source That would do it. On Russian specifically, I can't help but feel bad for the intelligence wing. It's a tough language to learn with any degree of proficiency for non-natives. And in the native Russian community, despite their varying positions and political views (some love Russia, some are very rabidly anti-Russian) one thing they pretty much all agree on is that you should never work for intelligence. Even the military folk among them. And it's pretty clear that Russian language specialists are few and far between in the intelligence branch, given how often they have to resort to highly secondary sources of data (e.g. RT) because they can't translate well enough.
Not to mention that anyone with any sort of nuanced view on Russia is immediately called a Putin apologist and summarily ostracised or fired. This happens in the media and probably the intelligence community as well.
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On June 07 2017 03:42 a_flayer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 03:37 LegalLord wrote:On June 07 2017 03:28 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:26 LegalLord wrote:On June 07 2017 03:22 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:19 LegalLord wrote:
I perused just the twits myself. Those represent the kind of person who doesn't belong in intelligence. That said, her incompetence regarding securing her own safety indicates she was likely there specifically because the military is so desperate for translators. I checked their website and they happen to have an opening for her position right now. I must have missed it, what languages does she speak? That the intelligence branch needs more translators is quite apparent, that much is true.
Winner served as a linguist in the U.S. Air Force for six years and reportedly speaks three foreign languages fluently — Farsi, Dari, and Pashto.
Source That would do it. On Russian specifically, I can't help but feel bad for the intelligence wing. It's a tough language to learn with any degree of proficiency for non-natives. And in the native Russian community, despite their varying positions and political views (some love Russia, some are very rabidly anti-Russian) one thing they pretty much all agree on is that you should never work for intelligence. Even the military folk among them. And it's pretty clear that Russian language specialists are few and far between in the intelligence branch, given how often they have to resort to highly secondary sources of data (e.g. RT) because they can't translate well enough. Not to mention that anyone with any sort of nuanced view on Russia is immediately called a Putin apologist and summarily ostracised or fired. This happens in the media and probably the intelligence community as well.
Russia is currently run by a fascist dictator with an expansionist foreign policy and a penchant for shooting down passenger airliners. How much nuance can we really have there?
You're falling into the fallacy of the middle ground where you take two positions and insist that it's really more complicated than that and the truth is to be found in a grey area to the middle. It's nonsense.
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On June 07 2017 03:40 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 03:35 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:32 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:29 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:26 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:22 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:18 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:14 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:13 Neneu wrote:On June 07 2017 03:02 xDaunt wrote:Also, in case anyone missed this, Reality Winners seems like a real piece of work. Who the hell thought it would be a good idea to give this person any kind of security clearance? EDIT: "Being white is terrorism" hahahaha Infowars is reliable media? Which conspiracy theory is it now? I don't see any reliability problems when Infowars is citing and linking to Reality Winners' own social media. I would have thought that y'all would immediately be able to see the difference. My disappointment never ceases. Sounds like it was well taken out of context though. But there is truth to the idea that whiteness is complicit with white terrorists. I mean your very own lack of discussion on how these white men are being radicalized and turning to terrorists is indicative of your own complicity. What was taken out of context? She told Kanye to go make a T-Shirt that says that "being white is terrorism." In light of all of the other shit that she tweeted, are we really going to pretend that she doesn't mean and believe precisely the obvious sentiment that is behind that phrase? You sure as shit wouldn't let a white person get away with telling someone to make a "being black is terrorism" T-Shirt --- and you would have no doubt what that white person meant if he also wore a white hood. Generally when people suggest you put something on a T-Shirt they are being facetious. But "Being black is terrorism" has no basis, whereas "being white is terrorism" is a hyperbolic comment on a real issue. Yeah, try arguing that to all of the people who have their property destroyed whenever BLM get its vandalism on. So are you suggesting that there is truth to the idea that "being black is terrorism" but there isn't to "being white is terrorism", that they both have truth and your feelings were hurt, or that there isn't truth to either? I'm suggesting that your attempt to argue that there's a basis for "being white is terrorism" while there is no basis for "being black is terrorism" is foolish. I don't think that you can differentiate between the two at all. Either paint both with the broad brush or none at all. So you it was that your feelings got hurt, go it. It's funny that you want to put BLM up against the ongoing history of white supremacy in this country, and is further indicative of your own complicity in white supremacy. Like you legitimately thought we could compare the two and they are unable to be differentiated. People do realize how absurd that is right?
His ongoing tirade against RW is nonsense to begin with. Everyone in this thread agrees what she did was dumb, and done poorly, and that it's wrong to openly leak classified info like that. Nobody disputes this. He then continues to dig into everything she's doing, and is now trolling people, including you, about it. It's a political non-issue. Ignore him and move on.
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On June 07 2017 03:14 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 03:13 Neneu wrote:On June 07 2017 03:02 xDaunt wrote:Also, in case anyone missed this, Reality Winners seems like a real piece of work. Who the hell thought it would be a good idea to give this person any kind of security clearance? EDIT: "Being white is terrorism" hahahaha Infowars is reliable media? Which conspiracy theory is it now? I don't see any reliability problems when Infowars is citing and linking to Reality Winners' own social media. I would have thought that y'all would immediately be able to see the difference. My disappointment never ceases.
Heard about the boy who cried wolf? Same thing here. That is why they have a reliability problem. That is why I won't bother to check what they linked.
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On June 07 2017 03:40 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 03:35 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:32 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:29 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:26 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:22 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:18 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:14 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:13 Neneu wrote:On June 07 2017 03:02 xDaunt wrote:Also, in case anyone missed this, Reality Winners seems like a real piece of work. Who the hell thought it would be a good idea to give this person any kind of security clearance? EDIT: "Being white is terrorism" hahahaha Infowars is reliable media? Which conspiracy theory is it now? I don't see any reliability problems when Infowars is citing and linking to Reality Winners' own social media. I would have thought that y'all would immediately be able to see the difference. My disappointment never ceases. Sounds like it was well taken out of context though. But there is truth to the idea that whiteness is complicit with white terrorists. I mean your very own lack of discussion on how these white men are being radicalized and turning to terrorists is indicative of your own complicity. What was taken out of context? She told Kanye to go make a T-Shirt that says that "being white is terrorism." In light of all of the other shit that she tweeted, are we really going to pretend that she doesn't mean and believe precisely the obvious sentiment that is behind that phrase? You sure as shit wouldn't let a white person get away with telling someone to make a "being black is terrorism" T-Shirt --- and you would have no doubt what that white person meant if he also wore a white hood. Generally when people suggest you put something on a T-Shirt they are being facetious. But "Being black is terrorism" has no basis, whereas "being white is terrorism" is a hyperbolic comment on a real issue. Yeah, try arguing that to all of the people who have their property destroyed whenever BLM get its vandalism on. So are you suggesting that there is truth to the idea that "being black is terrorism" but there isn't to "being white is terrorism", that they both have truth and your feelings were hurt, or that there isn't truth to either? I'm suggesting that your attempt to argue that there's a basis for "being white is terrorism" while there is no basis for "being black is terrorism" is foolish. I don't think that you can differentiate between the two at all. Either paint both with the broad brush or none at all. So you it was that your feelings got hurt, go it. It's funny that you want to put BLM up against the ongoing history of white supremacy in this country, and is further indicative of your own complicity in white supremacy. Like you legitimately thought we could compare the two and they are unable to be differentiated. People do realize how absurd that is right?
No, my feelings aren't hurt at all by the statement "being white is terrorism." I really don't give a shit beyond finding the statement to be both hilarious and a sad statement on the current state of society. As for your statement, I was merely pointing out the intrinsic intellectual dishonesty in it. We all know that you have an agenda to push (which we don't need to revisit), but it is ludicrous to suggest that there's no basis to brand all black people as terrorists while there is such a basis for white people.
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On June 07 2017 03:42 a_flayer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 03:37 LegalLord wrote:On June 07 2017 03:28 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:26 LegalLord wrote:On June 07 2017 03:22 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:19 LegalLord wrote:
I perused just the twits myself. Those represent the kind of person who doesn't belong in intelligence. That said, her incompetence regarding securing her own safety indicates she was likely there specifically because the military is so desperate for translators. I checked their website and they happen to have an opening for her position right now. I must have missed it, what languages does she speak? That the intelligence branch needs more translators is quite apparent, that much is true.
Winner served as a linguist in the U.S. Air Force for six years and reportedly speaks three foreign languages fluently — Farsi, Dari, and Pashto.
Source That would do it. On Russian specifically, I can't help but feel bad for the intelligence wing. It's a tough language to learn with any degree of proficiency for non-natives. And in the native Russian community, despite their varying positions and political views (some love Russia, some are very rabidly anti-Russian) one thing they pretty much all agree on is that you should never work for intelligence. Even the military folk among them. And it's pretty clear that Russian language specialists are few and far between in the intelligence branch, given how often they have to resort to highly secondary sources of data (e.g. RT) because they can't translate well enough. Not to mention that anyone with any sort of nuanced view on Russia is immediately called a Putin apologist and summarily ostracised or fired. This happens in the media and probably the intelligence community as well.
In this case the odd thing is that even without a nuanced view on Russia people tend not to want to work for intelligence. This probably has to do with the KGB and how Soviets were taught about how intelligence functions. Things aren't much different in the US but intelligence is far less explicitly discussed in terms of the ugly realities of spy work.
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On June 07 2017 03:45 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 03:40 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:35 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:32 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:29 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:26 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:22 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:18 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:14 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:13 Neneu wrote:
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Infowars is reliable media? Which conspiracy theory is it now? I don't see any reliability problems when Infowars is citing and linking to Reality Winners' own social media. I would have thought that y'all would immediately be able to see the difference. My disappointment never ceases. Sounds like it was well taken out of context though. But there is truth to the idea that whiteness is complicit with white terrorists. I mean your very own lack of discussion on how these white men are being radicalized and turning to terrorists is indicative of your own complicity. What was taken out of context? She told Kanye to go make a T-Shirt that says that "being white is terrorism." In light of all of the other shit that she tweeted, are we really going to pretend that she doesn't mean and believe precisely the obvious sentiment that is behind that phrase? You sure as shit wouldn't let a white person get away with telling someone to make a "being black is terrorism" T-Shirt --- and you would have no doubt what that white person meant if he also wore a white hood. Generally when people suggest you put something on a T-Shirt they are being facetious. But "Being black is terrorism" has no basis, whereas "being white is terrorism" is a hyperbolic comment on a real issue. Yeah, try arguing that to all of the people who have their property destroyed whenever BLM get its vandalism on. So are you suggesting that there is truth to the idea that "being black is terrorism" but there isn't to "being white is terrorism", that they both have truth and your feelings were hurt, or that there isn't truth to either? I'm suggesting that your attempt to argue that there's a basis for "being white is terrorism" while there is no basis for "being black is terrorism" is foolish. I don't think that you can differentiate between the two at all. Either paint both with the broad brush or none at all. So you it was that your feelings got hurt, go it. It's funny that you want to put BLM up against the ongoing history of white supremacy in this country, and is further indicative of your own complicity in white supremacy. Like you legitimately thought we could compare the two and they are unable to be differentiated. People do realize how absurd that is right? His ongoing tirade against RW is nonsense to begin with. Everyone in this thread agrees what she did was dumb, and done poorly, and that it's wrong to openly leak classified info like that. Nobody disputes this. He then continues to dig into everything she's doing, and is now trolling people, including you, about it. It's a political non-issue. Ignore him and move on.
While conveniently ignoring his original argument that infowars did nothing wrong by presenting a clearly satirical quote out of context as her view and then, when called out on that, making the argument that satire literally doesn't exist.
God help anyone who ever needs xDaunt to argue anything on their behalf. People have been saying that "being brown makes you a terrorist" for decades now while making reference to societal norms and prejudices and the freedom fighter/mentally ill/terrorist trichotomy. And yet he presents it as a textbook example of how nobody would ever say that and expects us all not to notice.
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On June 07 2017 03:45 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 03:40 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:35 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:32 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:29 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:26 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:22 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:18 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:14 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:13 Neneu wrote:
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Infowars is reliable media? Which conspiracy theory is it now? I don't see any reliability problems when Infowars is citing and linking to Reality Winners' own social media. I would have thought that y'all would immediately be able to see the difference. My disappointment never ceases. Sounds like it was well taken out of context though. But there is truth to the idea that whiteness is complicit with white terrorists. I mean your very own lack of discussion on how these white men are being radicalized and turning to terrorists is indicative of your own complicity. What was taken out of context? She told Kanye to go make a T-Shirt that says that "being white is terrorism." In light of all of the other shit that she tweeted, are we really going to pretend that she doesn't mean and believe precisely the obvious sentiment that is behind that phrase? You sure as shit wouldn't let a white person get away with telling someone to make a "being black is terrorism" T-Shirt --- and you would have no doubt what that white person meant if he also wore a white hood. Generally when people suggest you put something on a T-Shirt they are being facetious. But "Being black is terrorism" has no basis, whereas "being white is terrorism" is a hyperbolic comment on a real issue. Yeah, try arguing that to all of the people who have their property destroyed whenever BLM get its vandalism on. So are you suggesting that there is truth to the idea that "being black is terrorism" but there isn't to "being white is terrorism", that they both have truth and your feelings were hurt, or that there isn't truth to either? I'm suggesting that your attempt to argue that there's a basis for "being white is terrorism" while there is no basis for "being black is terrorism" is foolish. I don't think that you can differentiate between the two at all. Either paint both with the broad brush or none at all. So you it was that your feelings got hurt, go it. It's funny that you want to put BLM up against the ongoing history of white supremacy in this country, and is further indicative of your own complicity in white supremacy. Like you legitimately thought we could compare the two and they are unable to be differentiated. People do realize how absurd that is right? No, my feelings aren't hurt at all by the statement "being white is terrorism." I really don't give a shit beyond finding the statement to be both hilarious and a sad statement on the current state of society. As for your statement, I was merely pointing out the intrinsic intellectual dishonesty in it. We all know that you have an agenda to push (which we don't need to revisit), but it is ludicrous to suggest that there's no basis to brand all black people as terrorists while there is such a basis for white people.
Your feelings were obviously hurt.
There's no intellectual dishonesty (on my side). You're being incredibly foolish and doubling down on it by suggesting BLM or blackness and whiteness are interchangeable. I know you aren't that oblivious to history or contemporary events as to not see how preposterous that is.
So I'm inclined to agree with the previous poster that you are just trolling or posting things so absurdly dumb they don't warrant interaction.
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On June 07 2017 03:50 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 03:45 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:40 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:35 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:32 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:29 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:26 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:22 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:18 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:14 xDaunt wrote:
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I don't see any reliability problems when Infowars is citing and linking to Reality Winners' own social media. I would have thought that y'all would immediately be able to see the difference. My disappointment never ceases. Sounds like it was well taken out of context though. But there is truth to the idea that whiteness is complicit with white terrorists. I mean your very own lack of discussion on how these white men are being radicalized and turning to terrorists is indicative of your own complicity. What was taken out of context? She told Kanye to go make a T-Shirt that says that "being white is terrorism." In light of all of the other shit that she tweeted, are we really going to pretend that she doesn't mean and believe precisely the obvious sentiment that is behind that phrase? You sure as shit wouldn't let a white person get away with telling someone to make a "being black is terrorism" T-Shirt --- and you would have no doubt what that white person meant if he also wore a white hood. Generally when people suggest you put something on a T-Shirt they are being facetious. But "Being black is terrorism" has no basis, whereas "being white is terrorism" is a hyperbolic comment on a real issue. Yeah, try arguing that to all of the people who have their property destroyed whenever BLM get its vandalism on. So are you suggesting that there is truth to the idea that "being black is terrorism" but there isn't to "being white is terrorism", that they both have truth and your feelings were hurt, or that there isn't truth to either? I'm suggesting that your attempt to argue that there's a basis for "being white is terrorism" while there is no basis for "being black is terrorism" is foolish. I don't think that you can differentiate between the two at all. Either paint both with the broad brush or none at all. So you it was that your feelings got hurt, go it. It's funny that you want to put BLM up against the ongoing history of white supremacy in this country, and is further indicative of your own complicity in white supremacy. Like you legitimately thought we could compare the two and they are unable to be differentiated. People do realize how absurd that is right? No, my feelings aren't hurt at all by the statement "being white is terrorism." I really don't give a shit beyond finding the statement to be both hilarious and a sad statement on the current state of society. As for your statement, I was merely pointing out the intrinsic intellectual dishonesty in it. We all know that you have an agenda to push (which we don't need to revisit), but it is ludicrous to suggest that there's no basis to brand all black people as terrorists while there is such a basis for white people. Your feelings were obviously hurt. There's no intellectual dishonesty (on my side). You're being incredibly foolish and doubling down on it by suggesting BLM or blackness and whiteness are interchangeable. I know you aren't that oblivious to history or contemporary events as to not see how preposterous that is. So I'm inclined to agree with the previous poster that you are just trolling or posting things so absurdly dumb they don't warrant interaction.
If I could choose what race to be born in the US, I would choose white, asian, brown, black in that order. This is because I understand that my chances of being advantaged/disadvantaged are different based on race. That doesn't however mean that I view everything through the prism of race and blame white people for having an advantage, I don't care. Sometimes I feel that you aknowledge the differences of being black in America, but then you really try to guilt trip whites or whoever to somehow give up their position in society. That's not how it works, we have an unfair system, and it will slowly change over time, but never expect on an individual level to feel sorry for you for being black.
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Green, never
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discuss race issues with xDaunt
Just, don't do it. There is not a single reasonable discussion. He's just going to rile you up and make you made then you'll start rage posting and then we'll have 10 pages of unproductive discussion on race in here between you and a troll with the odd chime in from other people.
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