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On June 07 2017 04:23 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 04:12 Sermokala wrote:On June 07 2017 04:00 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:56 biology]major wrote:On June 07 2017 03:50 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:45 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:40 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:35 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:32 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:29 xDaunt wrote:
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Yeah, try arguing that to all of the people who have their property destroyed whenever BLM get its vandalism on. So are you suggesting that there is truth to the idea that "being black is terrorism" but there isn't to "being white is terrorism", that they both have truth and your feelings were hurt, or that there isn't truth to either? I'm suggesting that your attempt to argue that there's a basis for "being white is terrorism" while there is no basis for "being black is terrorism" is foolish. I don't think that you can differentiate between the two at all. Either paint both with the broad brush or none at all. So you it was that your feelings got hurt, go it. It's funny that you want to put BLM up against the ongoing history of white supremacy in this country, and is further indicative of your own complicity in white supremacy. Like you legitimately thought we could compare the two and they are unable to be differentiated. People do realize how absurd that is right? No, my feelings aren't hurt at all by the statement "being white is terrorism." I really don't give a shit beyond finding the statement to be both hilarious and a sad statement on the current state of society. As for your statement, I was merely pointing out the intrinsic intellectual dishonesty in it. We all know that you have an agenda to push (which we don't need to revisit), but it is ludicrous to suggest that there's no basis to brand all black people as terrorists while there is such a basis for white people. Your feelings were obviously hurt. There's no intellectual dishonesty (on my side). You're being incredibly foolish and doubling down on it by suggesting BLM or blackness and whiteness are interchangeable. I know you aren't that oblivious to history or contemporary events as to not see how preposterous that is. So I'm inclined to agree with the previous poster that you are just trolling or posting things so absurdly dumb they don't warrant interaction. If I could choose what race to be born in the US, I would choose white, asian, brown, black in that order. This is because I understand that my chances of being advantaged/disadvantaged are different based on race. That doesn't however mean that I view everything through the prism of race and blame white people for having an advantage, I don't care. Sometimes I feel that you aknowledge the differences of being black in America, but then you really try to guilt trip whites or whoever to somehow give up their position in society. That's not how it works, we have an unfair system, and it will slowly change over time, but never expect on an individual level to feel sorry for you for being black. No one wants your pity, folks want you to take responsibility for your role in perpetuating white supremacy and maybe, one day, stop. But we're literally just trying to get you folks to own it before we expect you to stop. Can you take a step back and see how terrible a strategy is for a moment? You don't want things to get better you just want people to feel bad. You don't place any priority or urgency to fix anything or do anything about the issue you just want people to freely start associating themselves with skinheads neo nazies and the kkk in some idea that down the road they'll make things better. You should be asking for pity and getting people to do things to make the situation better beacuse of that pity people feel. Going after the police is an unwinnable argument. Can you take a step back and see how terrible your argument is? You're saying I want things to get worse for myself because I want people to feel bad. You took my explanation that white people don't improve their behavior unless and until they recognize that "their role in white supremacy" and turned it into an accusation of being a Nazi with a white hood. Then you're telling me I should be begging for your pity, instead of demanding my rights. Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 04:18 biology]major wrote:On June 07 2017 04:12 Sermokala wrote:On June 07 2017 04:00 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:56 biology]major wrote:On June 07 2017 03:50 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:45 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:40 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:35 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:32 GreenHorizons wrote:
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So are you suggesting that there is truth to the idea that "being black is terrorism" but there isn't to "being white is terrorism", that they both have truth and your feelings were hurt, or that there isn't truth to either? I'm suggesting that your attempt to argue that there's a basis for "being white is terrorism" while there is no basis for "being black is terrorism" is foolish. I don't think that you can differentiate between the two at all. Either paint both with the broad brush or none at all. So you it was that your feelings got hurt, go it. It's funny that you want to put BLM up against the ongoing history of white supremacy in this country, and is further indicative of your own complicity in white supremacy. Like you legitimately thought we could compare the two and they are unable to be differentiated. People do realize how absurd that is right? No, my feelings aren't hurt at all by the statement "being white is terrorism." I really don't give a shit beyond finding the statement to be both hilarious and a sad statement on the current state of society. As for your statement, I was merely pointing out the intrinsic intellectual dishonesty in it. We all know that you have an agenda to push (which we don't need to revisit), but it is ludicrous to suggest that there's no basis to brand all black people as terrorists while there is such a basis for white people. Your feelings were obviously hurt. There's no intellectual dishonesty (on my side). You're being incredibly foolish and doubling down on it by suggesting BLM or blackness and whiteness are interchangeable. I know you aren't that oblivious to history or contemporary events as to not see how preposterous that is. So I'm inclined to agree with the previous poster that you are just trolling or posting things so absurdly dumb they don't warrant interaction. If I could choose what race to be born in the US, I would choose white, asian, brown, black in that order. This is because I understand that my chances of being advantaged/disadvantaged are different based on race. That doesn't however mean that I view everything through the prism of race and blame white people for having an advantage, I don't care. Sometimes I feel that you aknowledge the differences of being black in America, but then you really try to guilt trip whites or whoever to somehow give up their position in society. That's not how it works, we have an unfair system, and it will slowly change over time, but never expect on an individual level to feel sorry for you for being black. No one wants your pity, folks want you to take responsibility for your role in perpetuating white supremacy and maybe, one day, stop. But we're literally just trying to get you folks to own it before we expect you to stop. Can you take a step back and see how terrible a strategy is for a moment? You don't want things to get better you just want people to feel bad. You don't place any priority or urgency to fix anything or do anything about the issue you just want people to freely start associating themselves with skinheads neo nazies and the kkk in some idea that down the road they'll make things better. You should be asking for pity and getting people to do things to make the situation better beacuse of that pity people feel. Going after the police is an unwinnable argument. both of these strategies are not only terrible, but expecations of other people are way too high. People are out there worrying about their own problems, and GH expects them to be like wait, "oh shit I'm white!". That is so foolish it's absurd. If you see something unfair like police discrimination, run for office and make a platform against it. Yeah what kind of idiot thinks white people can think about anyone but themselves...? Also are you really using the "run for office" line?
I'm aware of truth that being black is a disadvantage due to systems and practices put in place before me and you. All you come off as to me, even with the facts in mind, is a whiner. Someone who desperately wants other people to change, with repeated guilt trips and over generalizations/broad brush strokes of "white people". So you are not a good messenger for your cause. I believe in your message, that black people face a unique struggle in america and have a host of difficulties. The way you go about trying to fix that is laughably ineffective.
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On June 07 2017 04:23 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 04:12 Sermokala wrote:On June 07 2017 04:00 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:56 biology]major wrote:On June 07 2017 03:50 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:45 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:40 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:35 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:32 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:29 xDaunt wrote:
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Yeah, try arguing that to all of the people who have their property destroyed whenever BLM get its vandalism on. So are you suggesting that there is truth to the idea that "being black is terrorism" but there isn't to "being white is terrorism", that they both have truth and your feelings were hurt, or that there isn't truth to either? I'm suggesting that your attempt to argue that there's a basis for "being white is terrorism" while there is no basis for "being black is terrorism" is foolish. I don't think that you can differentiate between the two at all. Either paint both with the broad brush or none at all. So you it was that your feelings got hurt, go it. It's funny that you want to put BLM up against the ongoing history of white supremacy in this country, and is further indicative of your own complicity in white supremacy. Like you legitimately thought we could compare the two and they are unable to be differentiated. People do realize how absurd that is right? No, my feelings aren't hurt at all by the statement "being white is terrorism." I really don't give a shit beyond finding the statement to be both hilarious and a sad statement on the current state of society. As for your statement, I was merely pointing out the intrinsic intellectual dishonesty in it. We all know that you have an agenda to push (which we don't need to revisit), but it is ludicrous to suggest that there's no basis to brand all black people as terrorists while there is such a basis for white people. Your feelings were obviously hurt. There's no intellectual dishonesty (on my side). You're being incredibly foolish and doubling down on it by suggesting BLM or blackness and whiteness are interchangeable. I know you aren't that oblivious to history or contemporary events as to not see how preposterous that is. So I'm inclined to agree with the previous poster that you are just trolling or posting things so absurdly dumb they don't warrant interaction. If I could choose what race to be born in the US, I would choose white, asian, brown, black in that order. This is because I understand that my chances of being advantaged/disadvantaged are different based on race. That doesn't however mean that I view everything through the prism of race and blame white people for having an advantage, I don't care. Sometimes I feel that you aknowledge the differences of being black in America, but then you really try to guilt trip whites or whoever to somehow give up their position in society. That's not how it works, we have an unfair system, and it will slowly change over time, but never expect on an individual level to feel sorry for you for being black. No one wants your pity, folks want you to take responsibility for your role in perpetuating white supremacy and maybe, one day, stop. But we're literally just trying to get you folks to own it before we expect you to stop. Can you take a step back and see how terrible a strategy is for a moment? You don't want things to get better you just want people to feel bad. You don't place any priority or urgency to fix anything or do anything about the issue you just want people to freely start associating themselves with skinheads neo nazies and the kkk in some idea that down the road they'll make things better. You should be asking for pity and getting people to do things to make the situation better beacuse of that pity people feel. Going after the police is an unwinnable argument. Can you take a step back and see how terrible your argument is? You're saying I want things to get worse for myself because I want people to feel bad. You took my explanation that white people don't improve their behavior unless and until they recognize that "their role in white supremacy" and turned it into an accusation of being a Nazi with a white hood. Then you're telling me I should be begging for your pity, instead of demanding my rights. Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 04:18 biology]major wrote:On June 07 2017 04:12 Sermokala wrote:On June 07 2017 04:00 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:56 biology]major wrote:On June 07 2017 03:50 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:45 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:40 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:35 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:32 GreenHorizons wrote:
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So are you suggesting that there is truth to the idea that "being black is terrorism" but there isn't to "being white is terrorism", that they both have truth and your feelings were hurt, or that there isn't truth to either? I'm suggesting that your attempt to argue that there's a basis for "being white is terrorism" while there is no basis for "being black is terrorism" is foolish. I don't think that you can differentiate between the two at all. Either paint both with the broad brush or none at all. So you it was that your feelings got hurt, go it. It's funny that you want to put BLM up against the ongoing history of white supremacy in this country, and is further indicative of your own complicity in white supremacy. Like you legitimately thought we could compare the two and they are unable to be differentiated. People do realize how absurd that is right? No, my feelings aren't hurt at all by the statement "being white is terrorism." I really don't give a shit beyond finding the statement to be both hilarious and a sad statement on the current state of society. As for your statement, I was merely pointing out the intrinsic intellectual dishonesty in it. We all know that you have an agenda to push (which we don't need to revisit), but it is ludicrous to suggest that there's no basis to brand all black people as terrorists while there is such a basis for white people. Your feelings were obviously hurt. There's no intellectual dishonesty (on my side). You're being incredibly foolish and doubling down on it by suggesting BLM or blackness and whiteness are interchangeable. I know you aren't that oblivious to history or contemporary events as to not see how preposterous that is. So I'm inclined to agree with the previous poster that you are just trolling or posting things so absurdly dumb they don't warrant interaction. If I could choose what race to be born in the US, I would choose white, asian, brown, black in that order. This is because I understand that my chances of being advantaged/disadvantaged are different based on race. That doesn't however mean that I view everything through the prism of race and blame white people for having an advantage, I don't care. Sometimes I feel that you aknowledge the differences of being black in America, but then you really try to guilt trip whites or whoever to somehow give up their position in society. That's not how it works, we have an unfair system, and it will slowly change over time, but never expect on an individual level to feel sorry for you for being black. No one wants your pity, folks want you to take responsibility for your role in perpetuating white supremacy and maybe, one day, stop. But we're literally just trying to get you folks to own it before we expect you to stop. Can you take a step back and see how terrible a strategy is for a moment? You don't want things to get better you just want people to feel bad. You don't place any priority or urgency to fix anything or do anything about the issue you just want people to freely start associating themselves with skinheads neo nazies and the kkk in some idea that down the road they'll make things better. You should be asking for pity and getting people to do things to make the situation better beacuse of that pity people feel. Going after the police is an unwinnable argument. both of these strategies are not only terrible, but expecations of other people are way too high. People are out there worrying about their own problems, and GH expects them to be like wait, "oh shit I'm white!". That is so foolish it's absurd. If you see something unfair like police discrimination, run for office and make a platform against it. Yeah what kind of idiot thinks white people can think about anyone but themselves...? Also are you really using the "run for office" line?
You can't demand your rights when your less then 12% of the population. All that leads to is asking for people to ignore you when you can't effect things.
You're asking people who don't associate themselves with white supremacy to start doing it. People associate white supremacy with skin heads nazies and the kkk. So yes you are asking people to associate themselves with a white hat instead of trying to get them on your side.
You don't need to beg for pity when it's in the media all tge time about how bad it is for black people. People know that all ready but instead of trying to tell them how to fix it you're too busy being angry for them not fixing it.
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On June 07 2017 04:36 brian wrote:
@XD you're the one who brought your profession out as support of a particularly pathetic argument and now you're complaining about someone attacking it.. sigh.
Actually, I didn't bring it up. Go read up the thread. And there's nothing pathetic about my argument. In fact, my argument is clearly better because I'm taking her posts at face value rather than reading all sorts of extrinsic meaning into them.
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On June 07 2017 04:39 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 04:36 brian wrote:
@XD you're the one who brought your profession out as support of a particularly pathetic argument and now you're complaining about someone attacking it.. sigh. Actually, I didn't bring it up. Go read up the thread. And there's nothing pathetic about my argument. In fact, my argument is clearly better because I'm taking her posts at face value rather than reading all sorts of extrinsic meaning into them.
'people pay me good money to argue on their behalf'
you read it.
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On June 07 2017 04:36 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 04:23 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 04:12 Sermokala wrote:On June 07 2017 04:00 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:56 biology]major wrote:On June 07 2017 03:50 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:45 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:40 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:35 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:32 GreenHorizons wrote:
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So are you suggesting that there is truth to the idea that "being black is terrorism" but there isn't to "being white is terrorism", that they both have truth and your feelings were hurt, or that there isn't truth to either? I'm suggesting that your attempt to argue that there's a basis for "being white is terrorism" while there is no basis for "being black is terrorism" is foolish. I don't think that you can differentiate between the two at all. Either paint both with the broad brush or none at all. So you it was that your feelings got hurt, go it. It's funny that you want to put BLM up against the ongoing history of white supremacy in this country, and is further indicative of your own complicity in white supremacy. Like you legitimately thought we could compare the two and they are unable to be differentiated. People do realize how absurd that is right? No, my feelings aren't hurt at all by the statement "being white is terrorism." I really don't give a shit beyond finding the statement to be both hilarious and a sad statement on the current state of society. As for your statement, I was merely pointing out the intrinsic intellectual dishonesty in it. We all know that you have an agenda to push (which we don't need to revisit), but it is ludicrous to suggest that there's no basis to brand all black people as terrorists while there is such a basis for white people. Your feelings were obviously hurt. There's no intellectual dishonesty (on my side). You're being incredibly foolish and doubling down on it by suggesting BLM or blackness and whiteness are interchangeable. I know you aren't that oblivious to history or contemporary events as to not see how preposterous that is. So I'm inclined to agree with the previous poster that you are just trolling or posting things so absurdly dumb they don't warrant interaction. If I could choose what race to be born in the US, I would choose white, asian, brown, black in that order. This is because I understand that my chances of being advantaged/disadvantaged are different based on race. That doesn't however mean that I view everything through the prism of race and blame white people for having an advantage, I don't care. Sometimes I feel that you aknowledge the differences of being black in America, but then you really try to guilt trip whites or whoever to somehow give up their position in society. That's not how it works, we have an unfair system, and it will slowly change over time, but never expect on an individual level to feel sorry for you for being black. No one wants your pity, folks want you to take responsibility for your role in perpetuating white supremacy and maybe, one day, stop. But we're literally just trying to get you folks to own it before we expect you to stop. Can you take a step back and see how terrible a strategy is for a moment? You don't want things to get better you just want people to feel bad. You don't place any priority or urgency to fix anything or do anything about the issue you just want people to freely start associating themselves with skinheads neo nazies and the kkk in some idea that down the road they'll make things better. You should be asking for pity and getting people to do things to make the situation better beacuse of that pity people feel. Going after the police is an unwinnable argument. Can you take a step back and see how terrible your argument is? You're saying I want things to get worse for myself because I want people to feel bad. You took my explanation that white people don't improve their behavior unless and until they recognize that "their role in white supremacy" and turned it into an accusation of being a Nazi with a white hood. Then you're telling me I should be begging for your pity, instead of demanding my rights. On June 07 2017 04:18 biology]major wrote:On June 07 2017 04:12 Sermokala wrote:On June 07 2017 04:00 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:56 biology]major wrote:On June 07 2017 03:50 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:45 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:40 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:35 xDaunt wrote:
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I'm suggesting that your attempt to argue that there's a basis for "being white is terrorism" while there is no basis for "being black is terrorism" is foolish. I don't think that you can differentiate between the two at all. Either paint both with the broad brush or none at all. So you it was that your feelings got hurt, go it. It's funny that you want to put BLM up against the ongoing history of white supremacy in this country, and is further indicative of your own complicity in white supremacy. Like you legitimately thought we could compare the two and they are unable to be differentiated. People do realize how absurd that is right? No, my feelings aren't hurt at all by the statement "being white is terrorism." I really don't give a shit beyond finding the statement to be both hilarious and a sad statement on the current state of society. As for your statement, I was merely pointing out the intrinsic intellectual dishonesty in it. We all know that you have an agenda to push (which we don't need to revisit), but it is ludicrous to suggest that there's no basis to brand all black people as terrorists while there is such a basis for white people. Your feelings were obviously hurt. There's no intellectual dishonesty (on my side). You're being incredibly foolish and doubling down on it by suggesting BLM or blackness and whiteness are interchangeable. I know you aren't that oblivious to history or contemporary events as to not see how preposterous that is. So I'm inclined to agree with the previous poster that you are just trolling or posting things so absurdly dumb they don't warrant interaction. If I could choose what race to be born in the US, I would choose white, asian, brown, black in that order. This is because I understand that my chances of being advantaged/disadvantaged are different based on race. That doesn't however mean that I view everything through the prism of race and blame white people for having an advantage, I don't care. Sometimes I feel that you aknowledge the differences of being black in America, but then you really try to guilt trip whites or whoever to somehow give up their position in society. That's not how it works, we have an unfair system, and it will slowly change over time, but never expect on an individual level to feel sorry for you for being black. No one wants your pity, folks want you to take responsibility for your role in perpetuating white supremacy and maybe, one day, stop. But we're literally just trying to get you folks to own it before we expect you to stop. Can you take a step back and see how terrible a strategy is for a moment? You don't want things to get better you just want people to feel bad. You don't place any priority or urgency to fix anything or do anything about the issue you just want people to freely start associating themselves with skinheads neo nazies and the kkk in some idea that down the road they'll make things better. You should be asking for pity and getting people to do things to make the situation better beacuse of that pity people feel. Going after the police is an unwinnable argument. both of these strategies are not only terrible, but expecations of other people are way too high. People are out there worrying about their own problems, and GH expects them to be like wait, "oh shit I'm white!". That is so foolish it's absurd. If you see something unfair like police discrimination, run for office and make a platform against it. Yeah what kind of idiot thinks white people can think about anyone but themselves...? Also are you really using the "run for office" line? You can't demand your rights when your less then 12% of the population. All that leads to is asking for people to ignore you when you can't effect things. You're asking people who don't associate themselves with white supremacy to start doing it. People associate white supremacy with skin heads nazies and the kkk. So yes you are asking people to associate themselves with a white hat instead of trying to get them on your side. You don't need to beg for pity when it's in the media all tge time about how bad it is for black people. People know that all ready but instead of trying to tell them how to fix it you're too busy being angry for them not fixing it.
I have to go, but you and Biology couldn't better exemplify my point.
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On June 07 2017 04:40 brian wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 04:39 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 04:36 brian wrote:
@XD you're the one who brought your profession out as support of a particularly pathetic argument and now you're complaining about someone attacking it.. sigh. Actually, I didn't bring it up. Go read up the thread. And there's nothing pathetic about my argument. In fact, my argument is clearly better because I'm taking her posts at face value rather than reading all sorts of extrinsic meaning into them. 'people pay me good money to argue on their behalf' you read it.
Go read above that one.
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On June 07 2017 04:36 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 04:23 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 04:12 Sermokala wrote:On June 07 2017 04:00 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:56 biology]major wrote:On June 07 2017 03:50 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:45 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:40 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:35 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:32 GreenHorizons wrote:
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So are you suggesting that there is truth to the idea that "being black is terrorism" but there isn't to "being white is terrorism", that they both have truth and your feelings were hurt, or that there isn't truth to either? I'm suggesting that your attempt to argue that there's a basis for "being white is terrorism" while there is no basis for "being black is terrorism" is foolish. I don't think that you can differentiate between the two at all. Either paint both with the broad brush or none at all. So you it was that your feelings got hurt, go it. It's funny that you want to put BLM up against the ongoing history of white supremacy in this country, and is further indicative of your own complicity in white supremacy. Like you legitimately thought we could compare the two and they are unable to be differentiated. People do realize how absurd that is right? No, my feelings aren't hurt at all by the statement "being white is terrorism." I really don't give a shit beyond finding the statement to be both hilarious and a sad statement on the current state of society. As for your statement, I was merely pointing out the intrinsic intellectual dishonesty in it. We all know that you have an agenda to push (which we don't need to revisit), but it is ludicrous to suggest that there's no basis to brand all black people as terrorists while there is such a basis for white people. Your feelings were obviously hurt. There's no intellectual dishonesty (on my side). You're being incredibly foolish and doubling down on it by suggesting BLM or blackness and whiteness are interchangeable. I know you aren't that oblivious to history or contemporary events as to not see how preposterous that is. So I'm inclined to agree with the previous poster that you are just trolling or posting things so absurdly dumb they don't warrant interaction. If I could choose what race to be born in the US, I would choose white, asian, brown, black in that order. This is because I understand that my chances of being advantaged/disadvantaged are different based on race. That doesn't however mean that I view everything through the prism of race and blame white people for having an advantage, I don't care. Sometimes I feel that you aknowledge the differences of being black in America, but then you really try to guilt trip whites or whoever to somehow give up their position in society. That's not how it works, we have an unfair system, and it will slowly change over time, but never expect on an individual level to feel sorry for you for being black. No one wants your pity, folks want you to take responsibility for your role in perpetuating white supremacy and maybe, one day, stop. But we're literally just trying to get you folks to own it before we expect you to stop. Can you take a step back and see how terrible a strategy is for a moment? You don't want things to get better you just want people to feel bad. You don't place any priority or urgency to fix anything or do anything about the issue you just want people to freely start associating themselves with skinheads neo nazies and the kkk in some idea that down the road they'll make things better. You should be asking for pity and getting people to do things to make the situation better beacuse of that pity people feel. Going after the police is an unwinnable argument. Can you take a step back and see how terrible your argument is? You're saying I want things to get worse for myself because I want people to feel bad. You took my explanation that white people don't improve their behavior unless and until they recognize that "their role in white supremacy" and turned it into an accusation of being a Nazi with a white hood. Then you're telling me I should be begging for your pity, instead of demanding my rights. On June 07 2017 04:18 biology]major wrote:On June 07 2017 04:12 Sermokala wrote:On June 07 2017 04:00 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:56 biology]major wrote:On June 07 2017 03:50 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:45 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:40 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:35 xDaunt wrote:
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I'm suggesting that your attempt to argue that there's a basis for "being white is terrorism" while there is no basis for "being black is terrorism" is foolish. I don't think that you can differentiate between the two at all. Either paint both with the broad brush or none at all. So you it was that your feelings got hurt, go it. It's funny that you want to put BLM up against the ongoing history of white supremacy in this country, and is further indicative of your own complicity in white supremacy. Like you legitimately thought we could compare the two and they are unable to be differentiated. People do realize how absurd that is right? No, my feelings aren't hurt at all by the statement "being white is terrorism." I really don't give a shit beyond finding the statement to be both hilarious and a sad statement on the current state of society. As for your statement, I was merely pointing out the intrinsic intellectual dishonesty in it. We all know that you have an agenda to push (which we don't need to revisit), but it is ludicrous to suggest that there's no basis to brand all black people as terrorists while there is such a basis for white people. Your feelings were obviously hurt. There's no intellectual dishonesty (on my side). You're being incredibly foolish and doubling down on it by suggesting BLM or blackness and whiteness are interchangeable. I know you aren't that oblivious to history or contemporary events as to not see how preposterous that is. So I'm inclined to agree with the previous poster that you are just trolling or posting things so absurdly dumb they don't warrant interaction. If I could choose what race to be born in the US, I would choose white, asian, brown, black in that order. This is because I understand that my chances of being advantaged/disadvantaged are different based on race. That doesn't however mean that I view everything through the prism of race and blame white people for having an advantage, I don't care. Sometimes I feel that you aknowledge the differences of being black in America, but then you really try to guilt trip whites or whoever to somehow give up their position in society. That's not how it works, we have an unfair system, and it will slowly change over time, but never expect on an individual level to feel sorry for you for being black. No one wants your pity, folks want you to take responsibility for your role in perpetuating white supremacy and maybe, one day, stop. But we're literally just trying to get you folks to own it before we expect you to stop. Can you take a step back and see how terrible a strategy is for a moment? You don't want things to get better you just want people to feel bad. You don't place any priority or urgency to fix anything or do anything about the issue you just want people to freely start associating themselves with skinheads neo nazies and the kkk in some idea that down the road they'll make things better. You should be asking for pity and getting people to do things to make the situation better beacuse of that pity people feel. Going after the police is an unwinnable argument. both of these strategies are not only terrible, but expecations of other people are way too high. People are out there worrying about their own problems, and GH expects them to be like wait, "oh shit I'm white!". That is so foolish it's absurd. If you see something unfair like police discrimination, run for office and make a platform against it. Yeah what kind of idiot thinks white people can think about anyone but themselves...? Also are you really using the "run for office" line? You can't demand your rights when your less then 12% of the population. All that leads to is asking for people to ignore you when you can't effect things. You're asking people who don't associate themselves with white supremacy to start doing it. People associate white supremacy with skin heads nazies and the kkk. So yes you are asking people to associate themselves with a white hat instead of trying to get them on your side. You don't need to beg for pity when it's in the media all tge time about how bad it is for black people. People know that all ready but instead of trying to tell them how to fix it you're too busy being angry for them not fixing it.
I associate white supremacy with the modern Republican party, but that may just be me personally.
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On June 07 2017 04:41 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 04:40 brian wrote:On June 07 2017 04:39 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 04:36 brian wrote:
@XD you're the one who brought your profession out as support of a particularly pathetic argument and now you're complaining about someone attacking it.. sigh. Actually, I didn't bring it up. Go read up the thread. And there's nothing pathetic about my argument. In fact, my argument is clearly better because I'm taking her posts at face value rather than reading all sorts of extrinsic meaning into them. 'people pay me good money to argue on their behalf' you read it. Go read above that one.
my bad, i guess. as someone who didn't know you were a lawyer that doesn't read the same to me. but i take it he did know.
edit: didn't need to qualify it. well, any further.
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On June 07 2017 04:35 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 04:23 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 04:12 Sermokala wrote:On June 07 2017 04:00 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:56 biology]major wrote:On June 07 2017 03:50 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:45 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:40 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:35 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:32 GreenHorizons wrote:
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So are you suggesting that there is truth to the idea that "being black is terrorism" but there isn't to "being white is terrorism", that they both have truth and your feelings were hurt, or that there isn't truth to either? I'm suggesting that your attempt to argue that there's a basis for "being white is terrorism" while there is no basis for "being black is terrorism" is foolish. I don't think that you can differentiate between the two at all. Either paint both with the broad brush or none at all. So you it was that your feelings got hurt, go it. It's funny that you want to put BLM up against the ongoing history of white supremacy in this country, and is further indicative of your own complicity in white supremacy. Like you legitimately thought we could compare the two and they are unable to be differentiated. People do realize how absurd that is right? No, my feelings aren't hurt at all by the statement "being white is terrorism." I really don't give a shit beyond finding the statement to be both hilarious and a sad statement on the current state of society. As for your statement, I was merely pointing out the intrinsic intellectual dishonesty in it. We all know that you have an agenda to push (which we don't need to revisit), but it is ludicrous to suggest that there's no basis to brand all black people as terrorists while there is such a basis for white people. Your feelings were obviously hurt. There's no intellectual dishonesty (on my side). You're being incredibly foolish and doubling down on it by suggesting BLM or blackness and whiteness are interchangeable. I know you aren't that oblivious to history or contemporary events as to not see how preposterous that is. So I'm inclined to agree with the previous poster that you are just trolling or posting things so absurdly dumb they don't warrant interaction. If I could choose what race to be born in the US, I would choose white, asian, brown, black in that order. This is because I understand that my chances of being advantaged/disadvantaged are different based on race. That doesn't however mean that I view everything through the prism of race and blame white people for having an advantage, I don't care. Sometimes I feel that you aknowledge the differences of being black in America, but then you really try to guilt trip whites or whoever to somehow give up their position in society. That's not how it works, we have an unfair system, and it will slowly change over time, but never expect on an individual level to feel sorry for you for being black. No one wants your pity, folks want you to take responsibility for your role in perpetuating white supremacy and maybe, one day, stop. But we're literally just trying to get you folks to own it before we expect you to stop. Can you take a step back and see how terrible a strategy is for a moment? You don't want things to get better you just want people to feel bad. You don't place any priority or urgency to fix anything or do anything about the issue you just want people to freely start associating themselves with skinheads neo nazies and the kkk in some idea that down the road they'll make things better. You should be asking for pity and getting people to do things to make the situation better beacuse of that pity people feel. Going after the police is an unwinnable argument. Can you take a step back and see how terrible your argument is? You're saying I want things to get worse for myself because I want people to feel bad. You took my explanation that white people don't improve their behavior unless and until they recognize that "their role in white supremacy" and turned it into an accusation of being a Nazi with a white hood. Then you're telling me I should be begging for your pity, instead of demanding my rights. On June 07 2017 04:18 biology]major wrote:On June 07 2017 04:12 Sermokala wrote:On June 07 2017 04:00 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:56 biology]major wrote:On June 07 2017 03:50 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:45 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:40 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:35 xDaunt wrote:
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I'm suggesting that your attempt to argue that there's a basis for "being white is terrorism" while there is no basis for "being black is terrorism" is foolish. I don't think that you can differentiate between the two at all. Either paint both with the broad brush or none at all. So you it was that your feelings got hurt, go it. It's funny that you want to put BLM up against the ongoing history of white supremacy in this country, and is further indicative of your own complicity in white supremacy. Like you legitimately thought we could compare the two and they are unable to be differentiated. People do realize how absurd that is right? No, my feelings aren't hurt at all by the statement "being white is terrorism." I really don't give a shit beyond finding the statement to be both hilarious and a sad statement on the current state of society. As for your statement, I was merely pointing out the intrinsic intellectual dishonesty in it. We all know that you have an agenda to push (which we don't need to revisit), but it is ludicrous to suggest that there's no basis to brand all black people as terrorists while there is such a basis for white people. Your feelings were obviously hurt. There's no intellectual dishonesty (on my side). You're being incredibly foolish and doubling down on it by suggesting BLM or blackness and whiteness are interchangeable. I know you aren't that oblivious to history or contemporary events as to not see how preposterous that is. So I'm inclined to agree with the previous poster that you are just trolling or posting things so absurdly dumb they don't warrant interaction. If I could choose what race to be born in the US, I would choose white, asian, brown, black in that order. This is because I understand that my chances of being advantaged/disadvantaged are different based on race. That doesn't however mean that I view everything through the prism of race and blame white people for having an advantage, I don't care. Sometimes I feel that you aknowledge the differences of being black in America, but then you really try to guilt trip whites or whoever to somehow give up their position in society. That's not how it works, we have an unfair system, and it will slowly change over time, but never expect on an individual level to feel sorry for you for being black. No one wants your pity, folks want you to take responsibility for your role in perpetuating white supremacy and maybe, one day, stop. But we're literally just trying to get you folks to own it before we expect you to stop. Can you take a step back and see how terrible a strategy is for a moment? You don't want things to get better you just want people to feel bad. You don't place any priority or urgency to fix anything or do anything about the issue you just want people to freely start associating themselves with skinheads neo nazies and the kkk in some idea that down the road they'll make things better. You should be asking for pity and getting people to do things to make the situation better beacuse of that pity people feel. Going after the police is an unwinnable argument. both of these strategies are not only terrible, but expecations of other people are way too high. People are out there worrying about their own problems, and GH expects them to be like wait, "oh shit I'm white!". That is so foolish it's absurd. If you see something unfair like police discrimination, run for office and make a platform against it. Yeah what kind of idiot thinks white people can think about anyone but themselves...? Also are you really using the "run for office" line? I'm aware of truth that being black is a disadvantage due to systems and practices put in place before me and you. All you come off as to me, even with the facts in mind, is a whiner. Someone who desperately wants other people to change, with repeated guilt trips and over generalizations/broad brush strokes of "white people". So you are not a good messenger for your cause. I believe in your message, that black people face a unique struggle in america and have a host of difficulties. The way you go about trying to fix that is laughably ineffective.
The thing is though, if the white majority actually had to deal with the shit black America deals with then they'd view it as an immediate priority. A small tax on the price of tea? Revolution! African Americans facing systematic voting rights discrimination? Well, how polite were they when they complained about it?
It's very difficult to pretend that white America has a good faith interest in rectifying the ongoing problems of racism in society when white America refuses to make it a priority and focuses on the way in which the black community is complaining. If your stance on whether black lives matter is at all influenced by the negative actions of the group Black Lives Matter, for example, then you never really thought they mattered in the first place. I often find myself getting intensely annoyed and frustrated by the extreme leftists on my facebook for their intense stupidity but I still have to support the causes I believe in because whether people have rights isn't dependent upon how annoying I find the people in question.
White people are complicit in white supremacy in America. If they weren't we wouldn't still have it. We just collectively don't view it as a big priority. It wasn't until cell phones got video cameras that we even started to listen to the shit that the African American community has been complaining about forever.
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On June 07 2017 04:39 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 04:36 brian wrote:
@XD you're the one who brought your profession out as support of a particularly pathetic argument and now you're complaining about someone attacking it.. sigh. Actually, I didn't bring it up. Go read up the thread. And there's nothing pathetic about my argument. In fact, my argument is clearly better because I'm taking her posts at face value rather than reading all sorts of extrinsic meaning into them.
You didn't even admit that it was a proposed t-shirt design for someone else to wear until I made you do it, you were insisting it was a literal statement of her belief.
You are so dishonest it beggars belief.
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That spike up and down is unnaturally steep Oo.
Tens of thousands of people who begin to frequent the site from one day to the next and all leave at the same time?
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Entirely possible that the tweet to Kanye is sarcasm. And posting an Infowars link means you visited Infowars with the intention of seeing what they had to say. Which is an issue.
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On June 07 2017 04:50 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 04:39 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 04:36 brian wrote:
@XD you're the one who brought your profession out as support of a particularly pathetic argument and now you're complaining about someone attacking it.. sigh. Actually, I didn't bring it up. Go read up the thread. And there's nothing pathetic about my argument. In fact, my argument is clearly better because I'm taking her posts at face value rather than reading all sorts of extrinsic meaning into them. You didn't even admit that it was a proposed t-shirt design for someone else to wear until I made you do it, you were insisting it was a literal statement of her belief.You are so dishonest it beggars belief.
And here in a nutshell is the problem with your posting. You presume stuff out of thin air. I think that I was pretty clear about why I posted the statement and what I thought its significance was a while ago:
On June 07 2017 03:22 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 03:18 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:14 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:13 Neneu wrote:On June 07 2017 03:02 xDaunt wrote:Also, in case anyone missed this, Reality Winners seems like a real piece of work. Who the hell thought it would be a good idea to give this person any kind of security clearance? EDIT: "Being white is terrorism" hahahaha Infowars is reliable media? Which conspiracy theory is it now? I don't see any reliability problems when Infowars is citing and linking to Reality Winners' own social media. I would have thought that y'all would immediately be able to see the difference. My disappointment never ceases. Sounds like it was well taken out of context though. But there is truth to the idea that whiteness is complicit with white terrorists. I mean your very own lack of discussion on how these white men are being radicalized and turning to terrorists is indicative of your own complicity. What was taken out of context? She told Kanye to go make a T-Shirt that says that "being white is terrorism." In light of all of the other shit that she tweeted, are we really going to pretend that she doesn't mean and believe precisely the obvious sentiment that is behind that phrase? You sure as shit wouldn't let a white person get away with telling someone to make a "being black is terrorism" T-Shirt --- and you would have no doubt what that white person meant if he also wore a white hood.
It doesn't take a genius to see that there's no basis for the statement that "'xDaunt thinks that the statement was a literal statement of her own belief.'" This is why arguing with you is a chore.
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I don't have time to skim the article to see if it explains, but what is the vertical axis meant to represent? What scale is it on? What units are used?
Is 'Alexa Ranks' is some common format I'm just unfamiliar with?
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On June 07 2017 04:47 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 04:35 biology]major wrote:On June 07 2017 04:23 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 04:12 Sermokala wrote:On June 07 2017 04:00 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:56 biology]major wrote:On June 07 2017 03:50 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:45 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:40 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:35 xDaunt wrote:
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I'm suggesting that your attempt to argue that there's a basis for "being white is terrorism" while there is no basis for "being black is terrorism" is foolish. I don't think that you can differentiate between the two at all. Either paint both with the broad brush or none at all. So you it was that your feelings got hurt, go it. It's funny that you want to put BLM up against the ongoing history of white supremacy in this country, and is further indicative of your own complicity in white supremacy. Like you legitimately thought we could compare the two and they are unable to be differentiated. People do realize how absurd that is right? No, my feelings aren't hurt at all by the statement "being white is terrorism." I really don't give a shit beyond finding the statement to be both hilarious and a sad statement on the current state of society. As for your statement, I was merely pointing out the intrinsic intellectual dishonesty in it. We all know that you have an agenda to push (which we don't need to revisit), but it is ludicrous to suggest that there's no basis to brand all black people as terrorists while there is such a basis for white people. Your feelings were obviously hurt. There's no intellectual dishonesty (on my side). You're being incredibly foolish and doubling down on it by suggesting BLM or blackness and whiteness are interchangeable. I know you aren't that oblivious to history or contemporary events as to not see how preposterous that is. So I'm inclined to agree with the previous poster that you are just trolling or posting things so absurdly dumb they don't warrant interaction. If I could choose what race to be born in the US, I would choose white, asian, brown, black in that order. This is because I understand that my chances of being advantaged/disadvantaged are different based on race. That doesn't however mean that I view everything through the prism of race and blame white people for having an advantage, I don't care. Sometimes I feel that you aknowledge the differences of being black in America, but then you really try to guilt trip whites or whoever to somehow give up their position in society. That's not how it works, we have an unfair system, and it will slowly change over time, but never expect on an individual level to feel sorry for you for being black. No one wants your pity, folks want you to take responsibility for your role in perpetuating white supremacy and maybe, one day, stop. But we're literally just trying to get you folks to own it before we expect you to stop. Can you take a step back and see how terrible a strategy is for a moment? You don't want things to get better you just want people to feel bad. You don't place any priority or urgency to fix anything or do anything about the issue you just want people to freely start associating themselves with skinheads neo nazies and the kkk in some idea that down the road they'll make things better. You should be asking for pity and getting people to do things to make the situation better beacuse of that pity people feel. Going after the police is an unwinnable argument. Can you take a step back and see how terrible your argument is? You're saying I want things to get worse for myself because I want people to feel bad. You took my explanation that white people don't improve their behavior unless and until they recognize that "their role in white supremacy" and turned it into an accusation of being a Nazi with a white hood. Then you're telling me I should be begging for your pity, instead of demanding my rights. On June 07 2017 04:18 biology]major wrote:On June 07 2017 04:12 Sermokala wrote:On June 07 2017 04:00 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:56 biology]major wrote:On June 07 2017 03:50 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 07 2017 03:45 xDaunt wrote:On June 07 2017 03:40 GreenHorizons wrote:
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So you it was that your feelings got hurt, go it.
It's funny that you want to put BLM up against the ongoing history of white supremacy in this country, and is further indicative of your own complicity in white supremacy. Like you legitimately thought we could compare the two and they are unable to be differentiated.
People do realize how absurd that is right? No, my feelings aren't hurt at all by the statement "being white is terrorism." I really don't give a shit beyond finding the statement to be both hilarious and a sad statement on the current state of society. As for your statement, I was merely pointing out the intrinsic intellectual dishonesty in it. We all know that you have an agenda to push (which we don't need to revisit), but it is ludicrous to suggest that there's no basis to brand all black people as terrorists while there is such a basis for white people. Your feelings were obviously hurt. There's no intellectual dishonesty (on my side). You're being incredibly foolish and doubling down on it by suggesting BLM or blackness and whiteness are interchangeable. I know you aren't that oblivious to history or contemporary events as to not see how preposterous that is. So I'm inclined to agree with the previous poster that you are just trolling or posting things so absurdly dumb they don't warrant interaction. If I could choose what race to be born in the US, I would choose white, asian, brown, black in that order. This is because I understand that my chances of being advantaged/disadvantaged are different based on race. That doesn't however mean that I view everything through the prism of race and blame white people for having an advantage, I don't care. Sometimes I feel that you aknowledge the differences of being black in America, but then you really try to guilt trip whites or whoever to somehow give up their position in society. That's not how it works, we have an unfair system, and it will slowly change over time, but never expect on an individual level to feel sorry for you for being black. No one wants your pity, folks want you to take responsibility for your role in perpetuating white supremacy and maybe, one day, stop. But we're literally just trying to get you folks to own it before we expect you to stop. Can you take a step back and see how terrible a strategy is for a moment? You don't want things to get better you just want people to feel bad. You don't place any priority or urgency to fix anything or do anything about the issue you just want people to freely start associating themselves with skinheads neo nazies and the kkk in some idea that down the road they'll make things better. You should be asking for pity and getting people to do things to make the situation better beacuse of that pity people feel. Going after the police is an unwinnable argument. both of these strategies are not only terrible, but expecations of other people are way too high. People are out there worrying about their own problems, and GH expects them to be like wait, "oh shit I'm white!". That is so foolish it's absurd. If you see something unfair like police discrimination, run for office and make a platform against it. Yeah what kind of idiot thinks white people can think about anyone but themselves...? Also are you really using the "run for office" line? I'm aware of truth that being black is a disadvantage due to systems and practices put in place before me and you. All you come off as to me, even with the facts in mind, is a whiner. Someone who desperately wants other people to change, with repeated guilt trips and over generalizations/broad brush strokes of "white people". So you are not a good messenger for your cause. I believe in your message, that black people face a unique struggle in america and have a host of difficulties. The way you go about trying to fix that is laughably ineffective. The thing is though, if the white majority actually had to deal with the shit black America deals with then they'd view it as an immediate priority. A small tax on the price of tea? Revolution! African Americans facing systematic voting rights discrimination? Well, how polite were they when they complained about it? It's very difficult to pretend that white America has a good faith interest in rectifying the ongoing problems of racism in society when white America refuses to make it a priority and focuses on the way in which the black community is complaining. If your stance on whether black lives matter is at all influenced by the negative actions of the group Black Lives Matter, for example, then you never really thought they mattered in the first place. I often find myself getting intensely annoyed and frustrated by the extreme leftists on my facebook for their intense stupidity but I still have to support the causes I believe in because whether people have rights isn't dependent upon how annoying I find the people in question. White people are complicit in white supremacy in America. If they weren't we wouldn't still have it. We just collectively don't view it as a big priority. It wasn't until cell phones got video cameras that we even started to listen to the shit that the African American community has been complaining about forever.
I agree with all of this I don't see what the benif is to get white people on the same page about it instead of focusing on fixing the issue as it is. We have the evidence and the moral high ground about the issue but I stead of advocating for effective change people like GH just want to express their anger about it all and get nowhere in the process.
Better schools less crime. Less crime lower taxes. It's not a hard argument to sell if anyone was interested in making it
Edit xDaunt you have as much responsibility to correct people on what you mean as others do when they're confused about what you mean. You can make the point that it's ambiguous to if she literaly ment it or not the same way that trump tweets things.
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On June 07 2017 04:56 jcarlsoniv wrote:I don't have time to skim the article to see if it explains, but what is the vertical axis meant to represent? What scale is it on? What units are used? Is 'Alexa Ranks' is some common format I'm just unfamiliar with?
Alexa is one of the standard for ranking sites by traffic (comScore and adobe analytics are the other big ones).So basically they dropped out of the top 1,000 websites after a stint around 250. Owned by Amazon, which is presumably where they got the name for Amazon Alexa 
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