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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On June 07 2017 03:13 Neneu wrote: Infowars is reliable media? Which conspiracy theory is it now? I don't see any reliability problems when Infowars is citing and linking to Reality Winners' own social media. I would have thought that y'all would immediately be able to see the difference. My disappointment never ceases. | ||
KwarK
United States44439 Posts
On June 07 2017 03:14 xDaunt wrote: I don't see any reliability problems when Infowars is citing and linking to Reality Winners' own social media. I would have thought that y'all would immediately be able to see the difference. My disappointment never ceases. You don't see the difference between "woman says "being white is terrorism"" and "woman says to third party "you should make a shirt that reads "being white is terrorism"""? Because infowars said the former and showed the latter. Which is exactly the kind of shit people shit on infowars for doing. | ||
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KwarK
United States44439 Posts
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States24505 Posts
On June 07 2017 03:14 xDaunt wrote: I don't see any reliability problems when Infowars is citing and linking to Reality Winners' own social media. I would have thought that y'all would immediately be able to see the difference. My disappointment never ceases. Sounds like it was well taken out of context though. But there is truth to the idea that whiteness is complicit with white terrorists. I mean your very own lack of discussion on how these white men are being radicalized and turning to terrorists is indicative of your own complicity. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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KwarK
United States44439 Posts
On June 07 2017 03:18 Danglars wrote: "Quoted in article" and "sourced from" always has a hard ride in this forum if the publishing website is hated or distrusted. It's actually a humorous juxtaposition with the trust of anonymous sources in some outlets versus named sources on the record in others. Danglars. An anonymous source is an unknown value in terms of whether or not the content is true. Infowars is not. Infowars is a known value, the content is very rarely true. This isn't very complicated. An anonymous source has yet to establish any credibility. Infowars has destroyed any credibility it may have to the point that if infowars printed that grass is green I'd go look out a window just to check. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24505 Posts
On June 07 2017 03:19 LegalLord wrote: I perused just the twits myself. Those represent the kind of person who doesn't belong in intelligence. That said, her incompetence regarding securing her own safety indicates she was likely there specifically because the military is so desperate for translators. I checked their website and they happen to have an opening for her position right now. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On June 07 2017 03:18 GreenHorizons wrote: Sounds like it was well taken out of context though. But there is truth to the idea that whiteness is complicit with white terrorists. I mean your very own lack of discussion on how these white men are being radicalized and turning to terrorists is indicative of your own complicity. What was taken out of context? She told Kanye to go make a T-Shirt that says that "being white is terrorism." In light of all of the other shit that she tweeted, are we really going to pretend that she doesn't mean and believe precisely the obvious sentiment that is behind that phrase? You sure as shit wouldn't let a white person get away with telling someone to make a "being black is terrorism" T-Shirt --- and you would have no doubt what that white person meant if he also wore a white hood. | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7032 Posts
On June 07 2017 03:05 Wulfey_LA wrote: Have you read a post by Glenn Greenwald in the last year? Greenwald is denier-in-chief of the existence of Russian Active measures and puts his best effort in playing the epistemological spin game. Any evidence of Russian Active measures goes against his day to day spin. This would be like FOX news putting out a definitive report on how their reporters fed Rod Wheeler the Seth Rich conspiracies. Here is the Intercept's sorry comment on the matter. Until they explicitly plead that they are OpSec morons who have zero knowledge of how printers work, this was intentional. https://theintercept.com/2017/06/06/statement-on-justice-department-allegations/?comments=1#comments Here is a guy that works at the Intercept. No ignorance. All intent. https://twitter.com/micahflee This logic makes no sense, and just makes it seem like you have a vendetta against the Intercept you are bringing into this argument. Your personal feelings are not relevant here... The Intercept is a serious news site with staff that is independent of Greenwald. What would The Intercept, as an organization, have to gain from outing a source in this way? By far the most obvious reasoning is that an intercept staff member was negligent with their protocol for dealing with leaked documents. | ||
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KwarK
United States44439 Posts
On June 07 2017 03:22 xDaunt wrote: What was taken out of context? She told Kanye to go make a T-Shirt that says that "being white is terrorism." In light of all of the other shit that she tweeted, are we really going to pretend that she doesn't mean and believe precisely the obvious sentiment that is behind that phrase? You sure as shit wouldn't let a white person get away with telling someone to make a "being black is terrorism" T-Shirt --- and you would have no doubt what that white person meant if he also wore a white hood. If I were to tweet Donald Trump to make a shirt saying "being brown is terrorism" I'm pretty sure it would be clear from context that I was satirizing his previous statements and the right wing refusal to say the words "radical white terrorism". Only an idiot would assume that I literally meant that being brown does by itself make an individual a terrorist. Are you an idiot? + Show Spoiler [example] + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/elnLWs9.jpg?1) | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On June 07 2017 03:18 Danglars wrote: "Quoted in article" and "sourced from" always has a hard ride in this forum if the publishing website is hated or distrusted. It's actually a humorous juxtaposition with the trust of anonymous sources in some outlets versus named sources on the record in others. The problem is that a chunk of the posters around here still aren't willing and/or able to critically read discrete articles for their own intrinsic reliability, and would rather lazily classify by publication. I've explained why this is stupid before, and it should be self-evident to everyone. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On June 07 2017 03:22 GreenHorizons wrote: That said, her incompetence regarding securing her own safety indicates she was likely there specifically because the military is so desperate for translators. I checked their website and they happen to have an opening for her position right now. I must have missed it, what languages does she speak? That the intelligence branch needs more translators is quite apparent, that much is true. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24505 Posts
On June 07 2017 03:22 xDaunt wrote: What was taken out of context? She told Kanye to go make a T-Shirt that says that "being white is terrorism." In light of all of the other shit that she tweeted, are we really going to pretend that she doesn't mean and believe precisely the obvious sentiment that is behind that phrase? You sure as shit wouldn't let a white person get away with telling someone to make a "being black is terrorism" T-Shirt --- and you would have no doubt what that white person meant if he also wore a white hood. Generally when people suggest you put something on a T-Shirt they are being facetious. But "Being black is terrorism" has no basis, whereas "being white is terrorism" is a hyperbolic comment on a real issue. | ||
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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States24505 Posts
On June 07 2017 03:26 LegalLord wrote: I must have missed it, what languages does she speak? That the intelligence branch needs more translators is quite apparent, that much is true. Winner served as a linguist in the U.S. Air Force for six years and reportedly speaks three foreign languages fluently — Farsi, Dari, and Pashto. Source | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On June 07 2017 03:26 GreenHorizons wrote: Generally when people suggest you put something on a T-Shirt they are being facetious. But "Being black is terrorism" has no basis, whereas "being white is terrorism" is a hyperbolic comment on a real issue. Yeah, try arguing that to all of the people who have their property destroyed whenever BLM get its vandalism on. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On June 07 2017 03:22 xDaunt wrote: What was taken out of context? She told Kanye to go make a T-Shirt that says that "being white is terrorism." In light of all of the other shit that she tweeted, are we really going to pretend that she doesn't mean and believe precisely the obvious sentiment that is behind that phrase? You sure as shit wouldn't let a white person get away with telling someone to make a "being black is terrorism" T-Shirt --- and you would have no doubt what that white person meant if he also wore a white hood. You seem to care an awful lot more about Reality Winner's leak fumble, and apparently everything else she does in her free time, than about any concurrent stories. She made a move that was dumb, did it poorly, and is being punished, end of story. | ||
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brian
United States9644 Posts
On June 07 2017 03:22 xDaunt wrote: What was taken out of context? She told Kanye to go make a T-Shirt that says that "being white is terrorism." In light of all of the other shit that she tweeted, are we really going to pretend that she doesn't mean and believe precisely the obvious sentiment that is behind that phrase? You sure as shit wouldn't let a white person get away with telling someone to make a "being black is terrorism" T-Shirt --- and you would have no doubt what that white person meant if he also wore a white hood. the sentiment obvious to everyone but you apparently is that she thinks kanye is a hyperbolic nutcase. how you ascribe this to her own beliefs on racism is the link everyone's missing man. it's a pretty clear case of infowars deliberately misconstruing something. they did so fairly obviously by linking the source material, so i mean you can qualify the failure as 'misleading at best' if it makes a difference. i mean to your own point we're arguing about the credibility of infowars, which i think by all measures is a waste of time. the source material is what's relevant. but if you're gonna misunderstand or misconstrue a tweet i guess it's on the table. | ||
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