EPTbut yeah we live in a horrible bureaucratic culture, everything is bureaucratic, the government is bureaucratic, the coporations who actually rule us are bureaucratic... this whole "public vs private" bullshit is just a way to distract you from the fact that it's all just one big technocracy
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sam!zdat
United States5559 Posts
but yeah we live in a horrible bureaucratic culture, everything is bureaucratic, the government is bureaucratic, the coporations who actually rule us are bureaucratic... this whole "public vs private" bullshit is just a way to distract you from the fact that it's all just one big technocracy | ||
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ziggurat
Canada847 Posts
http://www.gallup.com/poll/166793/americans-say-health-law-harmful-helpful.aspx | ||
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
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IgnE
United States7684 Posts
![[image loading]](http://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/mtmhrggv0u278tchtddptw.gif) Evolution still deeply unpopular among Americans. Dismissed by 4 in 10 as elitist malarkey. Politicians shift towards promoting Intelligent Design in public schools. | ||
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nunez
Norway4003 Posts
On January 12 2014 14:49 sam!zdat wrote: it's funny, because that's exactly what the paid shills of big business say when they want to get rid of rules that are in their way. straight out of REASON. https://www.nsfwcorp.com/dispatch/lying-to-liberals/ | ||
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abei1234
United States89 Posts
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On January 12 2014 16:08 IgnE wrote: If they (or you) are going to draw broad "God Created" conclusions, they really should include old earth creationism as well. There's plenty that believe in a billion-year-old earth created by God without the evolution of species.Evolution still deeply unpopular among Americans. Dismissed by 4 in 10 as elitist malarkey. Politicians shift towards promoting Intelligent Design in public schools. On January 12 2014 16:04 Roe wrote: Anyone with even a cursory knowledge of statistics will be able to read "the margin of sampling error is ±4 percentage points at the 95% confidence level" together with the earlier "a random sample of 1,020 adults" and draw a far different conclusion. I really thought sampling and confidence intervals were better known by the long term posters. Ridiculous conclusion.Yes, all 500 people don't like obamacare | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8225 Posts
On January 12 2014 16:08 IgnE wrote: Evolution still deeply unpopular among Americans. Dismissed by 4 in 10 as elitist malarkey. Politicians shift towards promoting Intelligent Design in public schools. Fascinating to think that the world's science powerhouse, that has brought us iPhones, space shuttles and sent men on the moon has only 15% of its population really believing in science, and 45% of its population holding on absolutely medieval beliefs. I wouldn't like being a 35th century's archeologist trying to understand that country in the XXth and XXIst century. It's going to be a giant mindfuck for future observers. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On January 12 2014 21:25 Biff The Understudy wrote: Fascinating to think that the world's science powerhouse, that has brought us iPhones, space shuttles and sent men on the moon has only 15% of its population really believing in science, and 45% of its population holding on absolutely medieval beliefs. I wouldn't like being a 35th century's archeologist trying to understand that country in the XXth and XXIst century. It's going to be a giant mindfuck for future observers. iPhones is not a worth citing innovation please... | ||
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Acertos
France852 Posts
Here this is the % of the total shared income in the US going in the pockets of the 10 % richest + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/9rheGd8.png) The 1% richest contribute so much to the country so it's only normal for them to receive almost 25% of the overall income + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/JU7czua.png) The top 1% creates growth so it's normal that if there is a growth in income they get more than 50% of it + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/O4cODsj.png) I know it's a bit depressing to know that the US society is coming back to its roots. But here look... It's the smile of the anglo-saxon neo-libertarians around the world!!! (again share of the total income going to the 1% in english speaking countries) + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/6v28dhr.png) In Europe it's so hard to be rich and to be highly paid for good work, look at this pit! + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/rQPi89N.png) I know these stats are completely outdated and meaningless. I also know that the American dream is as alive and well as in 1910. Ah hmm and yes like linked few pages ago, it's better to have high social mobility and to cuddle the ones who can already live an indecent life than to try to bring more egality, but hey it's not like the social mobility in the US is one of the worst in the world (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_mobility#Country_comparison). Anyway thx to my economy and sociology teacher, I hope some people will have less desilusions with this. edit: probs with images | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On January 12 2014 16:08 IgnE wrote: Evolution still deeply unpopular among Americans. Dismissed by 4 in 10 as elitist malarkey. Politicians shift towards promoting Intelligent Design in public schools. Embarrassing. | ||
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frogrubdown
1266 Posts
On January 12 2014 16:08 IgnE wrote: Evolution still deeply unpopular among Americans. Dismissed by 4 in 10 as elitist malarkey. Politicians shift towards promoting Intelligent Design in public schools. I'm always annoyed at the phrasing of the top answer because it's completely ambiguous. Believing that God "guided" evolution could mean that you're a pseudo-scientist who makes up "impossible" steps in the evolutionary chain and then attempts to fill those steps with God's magic. But it could also mean that you think God is a watchmaker who set up the initial conditions and laws of nature in such a way to ensure that life would happen by a process of natural selection because that's what he wanted to occur. There's no point getting upset about many Americans believing the latter because theists pretty much have to believe at least that much and we already know that America consists mostly of theists. But the phrasing gives us no way to tell how anti-science the group that selects this choice actually is. The young earth creationism stat is depressing enough either way. | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8778 Posts
On January 12 2014 21:52 WhiteDog wrote: iPhones is not a worth citing innovation please... For outstanding marketing achievements it is!  Ad Americans are too cool for evolution : + Show Spoiler + But to be fair here - at least to some degree - I believe in evolution yet still see some potential for involvement of a higher power. Science can't explain everything. More however than religious zealotry. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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United States18876 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28928 Posts
I don't think that's fully what all the people stating that believe, but it's fair enough. | ||
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
On January 12 2014 20:09 Danglars wrote: If they (or you) are going to draw broad "God Created" conclusions, they really should include old earth creationism as well. There's plenty that believe in a billion-year-old earth created by God without the evolution of species. Anyone with even a cursory knowledge of statistics will be able to read "the margin of sampling error is ±4 percentage points at the 95% confidence level" together with the earlier "a random sample of 1,020 adults" and draw a far different conclusion. I really thought sampling and confidence intervals were better known by the long term posters. Ridiculous conclusion. umm what's your point? saying half of americans don't like obamacare is indeed a ridiculous conclusion. follow the evidence. don't lead it to where you want it to go because of "it's science! we've got these formulas that work, trust me!" | ||
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Paljas
Germany6926 Posts
On January 13 2014 02:11 Liquid`Drone wrote: yeah the humans evolved but with god guiding isn't actually in conflict with science, as it could be that god just orchestrated the big bang and created the rules for how life can be created and evolve etc I don't think that's fully what all the people stating that believe, but it's fair enough. hm, id say that the first statement says that god guided the origin of the human species and not just created the boundary conditions. and this statement would indeed not be scientific | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28928 Posts
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Paljas
Germany6926 Posts
any deist could and would pick option 2, while theists would probably go for 1 (as frogrubdown already stated). | ||
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