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On May 27 2017 02:48 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2017 00:46 Mohdoo wrote:I thought I'd share a local cultural issue my area is struggling with right now. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/fiLUFcu.png) There's an effort right now in Portland to shame any businesses that are operated by a person belonging to a culture/race other than the type of food they are selling. They essentially believe that when a white person opens a Mexican restaurant, they are hijacking Mexican culture and exploiting it in a way that perpetuates subjugation of minorities. 2 women who opened a food cart were shamed into closing because they had talked about how they stole the recipes from people they met in mexico. Now, this is beyond ridiculous to me. This is like some sort of bizarre, exaggerated version of affirmative action. This is like putting a cap on the number of white people admitted into a university, rather than giving minorities an extra chance at admittance. Link: https://pdx.eater.com/2017/5/22/15677760/portland-kooks-burrito-cultural-appropriationI've had some pretty extensive discussions with people on Facebook, and it really seems to mostly boil down to the fact that minorities have had a long history of exploitation and we need to let them have their own culture. We need to allow them to utilize their history and recipes and whatnot instead of going into the same business. Since Mexicans already struggle to get business loans, a white person deciding to open a Mexican restaurant makes the existing difficulty of being a Mexican business owner even worse. However, people from Mexico historically being treated worse than people from France doesn’t mean it is suddenly worse to open a Mexican restaurant than a French restaurant. If I lived in south America for a few years, moved back here, and started a restaurant based on the food I learned about, that is clearly ethical. And I wouldn’t say someone should have to spend some years in a country to earn the right to cook meals from that culture. The fact that minorities have a harder time securing business loans does not change the underlying ethics of cultural exchange. Especially for something as dynamic and fluid as recipes. I am very sad to see such misguided angst. At the end of the day, this is an extremely ineffective, hostile, polarizing method of dealing with racial inequality. This kind of behavior makes me increasingly skeptical of this wing of my party. This isn't even effective. It is just an expression of anger. I can credit liberals that get off the bus at food cultural appropriation with a measure of good sense.
Agreed. Nice to know that most here aren't entirely off the deep end 
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On May 27 2017 03:07 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2017 03:02 Liquid`Drone wrote:On May 27 2017 02:41 GreenHorizons wrote:
No they are taking a culture that was likely discriminated against and abused, appropriating their food culture for profit, and often do a terrible job of recognizing the culture beyond "let's sell Mexican food, people expect Mariachi music right?"
It's low on my list personally, but to hear people cry of "hate-fueled discrimination" against white people, that's just hilarious. I generally favor your perspective on stuff like this and think it's interesting.. I'm not agreeing that this is 'hate-fueled discrimination against white people', and I can see how a white person making 'AUTHENTIC MEXICAN FOOD' and then serving tex-mex while playing Colombian music or whatever can be like, if not really offensive, then not entirely right. But if I'm a white guy and I think south east asian cuisine is just the best, can I not make a south east asian inspired restaurant because I'm white without it being cultural appropriation? Outrage over people from a certain ethnicity cooking food from another ethnicity just seems to be entirely against the idea of a non-racist society.. First, if the punishment for white imperialism was that they couldn't imitate other cultures food for their personal profit, that would be a pretty small price to pay. Setting that aside, sure, but don't think you can appropriate the food, without any regard for the culture. A white person giving a restaurant a Mexican name, calling it "authentic Mexican" then hiring a bunch of white people to make bland imitation burritos is offensive and POC are going to tell you whether white people want to hear it or not.
It's pretty racist to assume white people can't make mexican food.
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On May 27 2017 03:07 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2017 03:02 Liquid`Drone wrote:On May 27 2017 02:41 GreenHorizons wrote:
No they are taking a culture that was likely discriminated against and abused, appropriating their food culture for profit, and often do a terrible job of recognizing the culture beyond "let's sell Mexican food, people expect Mariachi music right?"
It's low on my list personally, but to hear people cry of "hate-fueled discrimination" against white people, that's just hilarious. I generally favor your perspective on stuff like this and think it's interesting.. I'm not agreeing that this is 'hate-fueled discrimination against white people', and I can see how a white person making 'AUTHENTIC MEXICAN FOOD' and then serving tex-mex while playing Colombian music or whatever can be like, if not really offensive, then not entirely right. But if I'm a white guy and I think south east asian cuisine is just the best, can I not make a south east asian inspired restaurant because I'm white without it being cultural appropriation? Outrage over people from a certain ethnicity cooking food from another ethnicity just seems to be entirely against the idea of a non-racist society.. First, if the punishment for white imperialism was that they couldn't imitate other cultures food for their personal profit, that would be a pretty small price to pay. Setting that aside, sure, but don't think you can appropriate the food, without any regard for the culture. A white person giving a restaurant a Mexican name, calling it "authentic Mexican" then hiring a bunch of white people to make bland imitation burritos is offensive and POC are going to tell you whether white people want to hear it or not.
Are you saying it is modern whites that are executing white imperialism? Are you saying opening a taco stand is similar to imperialism or something? Or are you saying that whites living today should be punished for what an earlier generation did? And you still haven't said what you are saying should happen instead. All you're saying is that culture needs to be respected and preserved, but its not like my home country has gone anywhere. It's just that people in the US are making restaurants based on food from my country. It's not remotely the same because, well, this is a totally different country. But if I went down South, I'd find plenty of totally authentic food. Why is it reasonable to expect places opened in the US would be true impressions of foreign food and only operated by foreign people?
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Yeah, multiculturalism is generally about culturally blending, not socially enforced cultural purity...
Come up to Vancouver sometime, food is amazing when cultures are shared and spread around.
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On May 27 2017 03:14 killa_robot wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2017 03:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 27 2017 03:02 Liquid`Drone wrote:On May 27 2017 02:41 GreenHorizons wrote:
No they are taking a culture that was likely discriminated against and abused, appropriating their food culture for profit, and often do a terrible job of recognizing the culture beyond "let's sell Mexican food, people expect Mariachi music right?"
It's low on my list personally, but to hear people cry of "hate-fueled discrimination" against white people, that's just hilarious. I generally favor your perspective on stuff like this and think it's interesting.. I'm not agreeing that this is 'hate-fueled discrimination against white people', and I can see how a white person making 'AUTHENTIC MEXICAN FOOD' and then serving tex-mex while playing Colombian music or whatever can be like, if not really offensive, then not entirely right. But if I'm a white guy and I think south east asian cuisine is just the best, can I not make a south east asian inspired restaurant because I'm white without it being cultural appropriation? Outrage over people from a certain ethnicity cooking food from another ethnicity just seems to be entirely against the idea of a non-racist society.. First, if the punishment for white imperialism was that they couldn't imitate other cultures food for their personal profit, that would be a pretty small price to pay. Setting that aside, sure, but don't think you can appropriate the food, without any regard for the culture. A white person giving a restaurant a Mexican name, calling it "authentic Mexican" then hiring a bunch of white people to make bland imitation burritos is offensive and POC are going to tell you whether white people want to hear it or not. It's pretty racist to assume white people can't make mexican food.
No, it's a statistical likelihood. That isn't to say that they are incapable, but it's more likely they are bad at it.
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On May 27 2017 03:19 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2017 03:14 killa_robot wrote:On May 27 2017 03:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 27 2017 03:02 Liquid`Drone wrote:On May 27 2017 02:41 GreenHorizons wrote:
No they are taking a culture that was likely discriminated against and abused, appropriating their food culture for profit, and often do a terrible job of recognizing the culture beyond "let's sell Mexican food, people expect Mariachi music right?"
It's low on my list personally, but to hear people cry of "hate-fueled discrimination" against white people, that's just hilarious. I generally favor your perspective on stuff like this and think it's interesting.. I'm not agreeing that this is 'hate-fueled discrimination against white people', and I can see how a white person making 'AUTHENTIC MEXICAN FOOD' and then serving tex-mex while playing Colombian music or whatever can be like, if not really offensive, then not entirely right. But if I'm a white guy and I think south east asian cuisine is just the best, can I not make a south east asian inspired restaurant because I'm white without it being cultural appropriation? Outrage over people from a certain ethnicity cooking food from another ethnicity just seems to be entirely against the idea of a non-racist society.. First, if the punishment for white imperialism was that they couldn't imitate other cultures food for their personal profit, that would be a pretty small price to pay. Setting that aside, sure, but don't think you can appropriate the food, without any regard for the culture. A white person giving a restaurant a Mexican name, calling it "authentic Mexican" then hiring a bunch of white people to make bland imitation burritos is offensive and POC are going to tell you whether white people want to hear it or not. It's pretty racist to assume white people can't make mexican food. No, it's a statistical likelihood. That isn't to say that they are incapable, but it's more likely they are bad at it.
Statistically most Mexicans are pretty shitty at making Mexican food as well.
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On May 27 2017 03:19 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2017 03:14 killa_robot wrote:On May 27 2017 03:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 27 2017 03:02 Liquid`Drone wrote:On May 27 2017 02:41 GreenHorizons wrote:
No they are taking a culture that was likely discriminated against and abused, appropriating their food culture for profit, and often do a terrible job of recognizing the culture beyond "let's sell Mexican food, people expect Mariachi music right?"
It's low on my list personally, but to hear people cry of "hate-fueled discrimination" against white people, that's just hilarious. I generally favor your perspective on stuff like this and think it's interesting.. I'm not agreeing that this is 'hate-fueled discrimination against white people', and I can see how a white person making 'AUTHENTIC MEXICAN FOOD' and then serving tex-mex while playing Colombian music or whatever can be like, if not really offensive, then not entirely right. But if I'm a white guy and I think south east asian cuisine is just the best, can I not make a south east asian inspired restaurant because I'm white without it being cultural appropriation? Outrage over people from a certain ethnicity cooking food from another ethnicity just seems to be entirely against the idea of a non-racist society.. First, if the punishment for white imperialism was that they couldn't imitate other cultures food for their personal profit, that would be a pretty small price to pay. Setting that aside, sure, but don't think you can appropriate the food, without any regard for the culture. A white person giving a restaurant a Mexican name, calling it "authentic Mexican" then hiring a bunch of white people to make bland imitation burritos is offensive and POC are going to tell you whether white people want to hear it or not. It's pretty racist to assume white people can't make mexican food. No, it's a statistical likelihood. That isn't to say that they are incapable, but it's more likely they are bad at it.
That's irrelevant when it comes to racism and you know it.
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On May 27 2017 03:19 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2017 03:14 killa_robot wrote:On May 27 2017 03:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 27 2017 03:02 Liquid`Drone wrote:On May 27 2017 02:41 GreenHorizons wrote:
No they are taking a culture that was likely discriminated against and abused, appropriating their food culture for profit, and often do a terrible job of recognizing the culture beyond "let's sell Mexican food, people expect Mariachi music right?"
It's low on my list personally, but to hear people cry of "hate-fueled discrimination" against white people, that's just hilarious. I generally favor your perspective on stuff like this and think it's interesting.. I'm not agreeing that this is 'hate-fueled discrimination against white people', and I can see how a white person making 'AUTHENTIC MEXICAN FOOD' and then serving tex-mex while playing Colombian music or whatever can be like, if not really offensive, then not entirely right. But if I'm a white guy and I think south east asian cuisine is just the best, can I not make a south east asian inspired restaurant because I'm white without it being cultural appropriation? Outrage over people from a certain ethnicity cooking food from another ethnicity just seems to be entirely against the idea of a non-racist society.. First, if the punishment for white imperialism was that they couldn't imitate other cultures food for their personal profit, that would be a pretty small price to pay. Setting that aside, sure, but don't think you can appropriate the food, without any regard for the culture. A white person giving a restaurant a Mexican name, calling it "authentic Mexican" then hiring a bunch of white people to make bland imitation burritos is offensive and POC are going to tell you whether white people want to hear it or not. It's pretty racist to assume white people can't make mexican food. No, it's a statistical likelihood. That isn't to say that they are incapable, but it's more likely they are bad at it.
This isn't Mexico. Why can't food be Mexican inspired and catered to fit the local population? Mexico and Japan are still both totally existent, despite Portland and Seattle recently having a stint in "Sushi burritos".
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On May 27 2017 03:20 killa_robot wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2017 03:19 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 27 2017 03:14 killa_robot wrote:On May 27 2017 03:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 27 2017 03:02 Liquid`Drone wrote:On May 27 2017 02:41 GreenHorizons wrote:
No they are taking a culture that was likely discriminated against and abused, appropriating their food culture for profit, and often do a terrible job of recognizing the culture beyond "let's sell Mexican food, people expect Mariachi music right?"
It's low on my list personally, but to hear people cry of "hate-fueled discrimination" against white people, that's just hilarious. I generally favor your perspective on stuff like this and think it's interesting.. I'm not agreeing that this is 'hate-fueled discrimination against white people', and I can see how a white person making 'AUTHENTIC MEXICAN FOOD' and then serving tex-mex while playing Colombian music or whatever can be like, if not really offensive, then not entirely right. But if I'm a white guy and I think south east asian cuisine is just the best, can I not make a south east asian inspired restaurant because I'm white without it being cultural appropriation? Outrage over people from a certain ethnicity cooking food from another ethnicity just seems to be entirely against the idea of a non-racist society.. First, if the punishment for white imperialism was that they couldn't imitate other cultures food for their personal profit, that would be a pretty small price to pay. Setting that aside, sure, but don't think you can appropriate the food, without any regard for the culture. A white person giving a restaurant a Mexican name, calling it "authentic Mexican" then hiring a bunch of white people to make bland imitation burritos is offensive and POC are going to tell you whether white people want to hear it or not. It's pretty racist to assume white people can't make mexican food. No, it's a statistical likelihood. That isn't to say that they are incapable, but it's more likely they are bad at it. That's irrelevant when it comes to racism and you know it.
As someone who normally sides with GH on these issues, I am going to have to agree. I could provide lots of statistical evidence to back up why blacks should be stopped by police more often that whites, but it is still racism when it happens.
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While I'd agree its whack for a white guy to have an eatery and call something "authentic" Mexican or Chinese food if someone can cook some mean food I really don't care what color you are. Food is a universal language, if you can blow people's socks off with your cooking then go on and make your money, spread your gift. I'll agree in so far as the "authentic" tag though, besides that go for it.
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On May 27 2017 03:20 killa_robot wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2017 03:19 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 27 2017 03:14 killa_robot wrote:On May 27 2017 03:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 27 2017 03:02 Liquid`Drone wrote:On May 27 2017 02:41 GreenHorizons wrote:
No they are taking a culture that was likely discriminated against and abused, appropriating their food culture for profit, and often do a terrible job of recognizing the culture beyond "let's sell Mexican food, people expect Mariachi music right?"
It's low on my list personally, but to hear people cry of "hate-fueled discrimination" against white people, that's just hilarious. I generally favor your perspective on stuff like this and think it's interesting.. I'm not agreeing that this is 'hate-fueled discrimination against white people', and I can see how a white person making 'AUTHENTIC MEXICAN FOOD' and then serving tex-mex while playing Colombian music or whatever can be like, if not really offensive, then not entirely right. But if I'm a white guy and I think south east asian cuisine is just the best, can I not make a south east asian inspired restaurant because I'm white without it being cultural appropriation? Outrage over people from a certain ethnicity cooking food from another ethnicity just seems to be entirely against the idea of a non-racist society.. First, if the punishment for white imperialism was that they couldn't imitate other cultures food for their personal profit, that would be a pretty small price to pay. Setting that aside, sure, but don't think you can appropriate the food, without any regard for the culture. A white person giving a restaurant a Mexican name, calling it "authentic Mexican" then hiring a bunch of white people to make bland imitation burritos is offensive and POC are going to tell you whether white people want to hear it or not. It's pretty racist to assume white people can't make mexican food. No, it's a statistical likelihood. That isn't to say that they are incapable, but it's more likely they are bad at it. That's irrelevant when it comes to racism and you know it.
It's not irrelevant at all! On the very contrary, the idea that someone's race makes them statistically more likely to perform in a certain sense with regards to any observable is the very core principle of racism.
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On May 27 2017 03:19 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2017 03:14 killa_robot wrote:On May 27 2017 03:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 27 2017 03:02 Liquid`Drone wrote:On May 27 2017 02:41 GreenHorizons wrote:
No they are taking a culture that was likely discriminated against and abused, appropriating their food culture for profit, and often do a terrible job of recognizing the culture beyond "let's sell Mexican food, people expect Mariachi music right?"
It's low on my list personally, but to hear people cry of "hate-fueled discrimination" against white people, that's just hilarious. I generally favor your perspective on stuff like this and think it's interesting.. I'm not agreeing that this is 'hate-fueled discrimination against white people', and I can see how a white person making 'AUTHENTIC MEXICAN FOOD' and then serving tex-mex while playing Colombian music or whatever can be like, if not really offensive, then not entirely right. But if I'm a white guy and I think south east asian cuisine is just the best, can I not make a south east asian inspired restaurant because I'm white without it being cultural appropriation? Outrage over people from a certain ethnicity cooking food from another ethnicity just seems to be entirely against the idea of a non-racist society.. First, if the punishment for white imperialism was that they couldn't imitate other cultures food for their personal profit, that would be a pretty small price to pay. Setting that aside, sure, but don't think you can appropriate the food, without any regard for the culture. A white person giving a restaurant a Mexican name, calling it "authentic Mexican" then hiring a bunch of white people to make bland imitation burritos is offensive and POC are going to tell you whether white people want to hear it or not. It's pretty racist to assume white people can't make mexican food. No, it's a statistical likelihood. That isn't to say that they are incapable, but it's more likely they are bad at it.
But to then make a blanket assumption about white people doesn't make you any better than the correct portion of your 'statistical likelihood'. What about people who genuinely respect other cultures, and learn how to make their food properly? You acknowledge these people at no point, and it only serves to defeat your point.
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On May 27 2017 03:17 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2017 03:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 27 2017 03:02 Liquid`Drone wrote:On May 27 2017 02:41 GreenHorizons wrote:
No they are taking a culture that was likely discriminated against and abused, appropriating their food culture for profit, and often do a terrible job of recognizing the culture beyond "let's sell Mexican food, people expect Mariachi music right?"
It's low on my list personally, but to hear people cry of "hate-fueled discrimination" against white people, that's just hilarious. I generally favor your perspective on stuff like this and think it's interesting.. I'm not agreeing that this is 'hate-fueled discrimination against white people', and I can see how a white person making 'AUTHENTIC MEXICAN FOOD' and then serving tex-mex while playing Colombian music or whatever can be like, if not really offensive, then not entirely right. But if I'm a white guy and I think south east asian cuisine is just the best, can I not make a south east asian inspired restaurant because I'm white without it being cultural appropriation? Outrage over people from a certain ethnicity cooking food from another ethnicity just seems to be entirely against the idea of a non-racist society.. First, if the punishment for white imperialism was that they couldn't imitate other cultures food for their personal profit, that would be a pretty small price to pay. Setting that aside, sure, but don't think you can appropriate the food, without any regard for the culture. A white person giving a restaurant a Mexican name, calling it "authentic Mexican" then hiring a bunch of white people to make bland imitation burritos is offensive and POC are going to tell you whether white people want to hear it or not. Are you saying it is modern whites that are executing white imperialism? Are you saying opening a taco stand is similar to imperialism or something? Or are you saying that whites living today should be punished for what an earlier generation did? And you still haven't said what you are saying should happen instead. All you're saying is that culture needs to be respected and preserved, but its not like my home country has gone anywhere. It's just that people in the US are making restaurants based on food from my country. It's not remotely the same because, well, this is a totally different country. But if I went down South, I'd find plenty of totally authentic food. Why is it reasonable to expect places opened in the US would be true impressions of foreign food and only operated by foreign people?
Let me help separate this for you, I'm not necessarily defending the particular thing happening in Oregon, but appropriating food is a common, real, and offensive practice.
I am punished every day because white people still can't get over the fact that they enslaved people who looked like me. I don't really care if they don't get to appropriate cultures for their own profit without people demonstrating that they don't like it. Or that white people are "being punished for ancestors sins", like gtf over yourselves.
Yes white imperialism is a modern practice, though I don't think appropriating a culture for a restaurant is very high on the list of problematic examples of the expansion of white imperialism.
On May 27 2017 03:23 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2017 03:19 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 27 2017 03:14 killa_robot wrote:On May 27 2017 03:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 27 2017 03:02 Liquid`Drone wrote:On May 27 2017 02:41 GreenHorizons wrote:
No they are taking a culture that was likely discriminated against and abused, appropriating their food culture for profit, and often do a terrible job of recognizing the culture beyond "let's sell Mexican food, people expect Mariachi music right?"
It's low on my list personally, but to hear people cry of "hate-fueled discrimination" against white people, that's just hilarious. I generally favor your perspective on stuff like this and think it's interesting.. I'm not agreeing that this is 'hate-fueled discrimination against white people', and I can see how a white person making 'AUTHENTIC MEXICAN FOOD' and then serving tex-mex while playing Colombian music or whatever can be like, if not really offensive, then not entirely right. But if I'm a white guy and I think south east asian cuisine is just the best, can I not make a south east asian inspired restaurant because I'm white without it being cultural appropriation? Outrage over people from a certain ethnicity cooking food from another ethnicity just seems to be entirely against the idea of a non-racist society.. First, if the punishment for white imperialism was that they couldn't imitate other cultures food for their personal profit, that would be a pretty small price to pay. Setting that aside, sure, but don't think you can appropriate the food, without any regard for the culture. A white person giving a restaurant a Mexican name, calling it "authentic Mexican" then hiring a bunch of white people to make bland imitation burritos is offensive and POC are going to tell you whether white people want to hear it or not. It's pretty racist to assume white people can't make mexican food. No, it's a statistical likelihood. That isn't to say that they are incapable, but it's more likely they are bad at it. But to then make a blanket assumption about white people doesn't make you any better than the correct portion of your 'statistical likelihood'. What about people who genuinely respect other cultures, and learn how to make their food properly? You acknowledge these people at no point, and it only serves to defeat your point.
No, I said if they respect the culture than I'm fine with it, but I also wouldn't care if as a result of things like still not letting black people vote, habitually denying them their constitutional rights, destructive deportations, etc... white people were generally discouraged from doing it at all.
And if that's what white people want to call hate-fueled discrimination, I'd say they have no damn clue what hate-fueled discrimination is in America.
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Remember 2000 pages ago we figured out the GH has a custom definition of racism that means black people cannot be racist because they are not 'the system'.
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Is this Oregon thing actually real? It seems like an anti-SJW forum meme that went viral. Is this really hitting anything?
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On May 27 2017 03:23 OuchyDathurts wrote:
While I'd agree its whack for a white guy to have an eatery and call something "authentic" Mexican or Chinese food if someone can cook some mean food I really don't care what color you are. Food is a universal language, if you can blow people's socks off with your cooking then go on and make your money, spread your gift. I'll agree in so far as the "authentic" tag though, besides that go for it.
"Authentic" is probably the most useless advertising for food regardless of how genuine it is, anyway. It doesn't mean good, or bad, or the food that grandma would make you but restaurants would never sell.
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This is indeed real, I was presented with this the other day by a fellow Portlander.
It is not reasonable in a lot of places @mohdoo but Portland actually does have some immigrant communities being a large city despite our best efforts to keep the place white as possible(Vanport comes to mind). In rural KY I would expect most ethnic places to be operated by white people, but in an urban center its pretty reasonable to find places operated by people from their culture. Opening a place to make food from your native culture seems like a pretty reasonable career chance if there is a demand for it so obviously competing places by those appropriating the food could push them out.
Not sure how I feel about the list itself I learned about it the other day. One of the concerns I had is that some of these places are owned by white people but many of the workers are of various cultures and backgrounds and economic status so while the top profits are going to people appropriating these other people would hurt by protesting as well. I just think that this topic is a bit more complicated than its being presented but that being said I think that the idea that this is racism and extreme from the left is just insane, I just think it's not as thought out as it could be.
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On May 27 2017 03:25 Gorsameth wrote:
Remember 2000 pages ago we figured out the GH has a custom definition of racism that means black people cannot be racist because they are not 'the system'.
Remember when I explained I will describe that with "raycism" since white people here still don't understand they don't control the meaning of the word in perpetuity.
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On May 27 2017 03:23 OuchyDathurts wrote:
While I'd agree its whack for a white guy to have an eatery and call something "authentic" Mexican or Chinese food if someone can cook some mean food I really don't care what color you are. Food is a universal language, if you can blow people's socks off with your cooking then go on and make your money, spread your gift. I'll agree in so far as the "authentic" tag though, besides that go for it.
right. there's like ivan orkin who is a white guy from new york (he was on chef's table), and he's one of the best ramen chefs in the world. dude went to japan, learned how to make ramen and got the japanese to acknowledge him, then he moved back to the US. i see zero things wrong with stuff like that.
On May 27 2017 03:26 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2017 03:23 OuchyDathurts wrote:
While I'd agree its whack for a white guy to have an eatery and call something "authentic" Mexican or Chinese food if someone can cook some mean food I really don't care what color you are. Food is a universal language, if you can blow people's socks off with your cooking then go on and make your money, spread your gift. I'll agree in so far as the "authentic" tag though, besides that go for it. "Authentic" is probably the most useless advertising for food regardless of how genuine it is, anyway. It doesn't mean good, or bad, or the food that grandma would make you but restaurants would never sell.
plus, if some white guy is gonna open up a restaurant and have the cojones to call it 'authentic', then he better bring his A game. if you come at the king, you best not miss.
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On May 27 2017 03:25 Gorsameth wrote:
Remember 2000 pages ago we figured out the GH has a custom definition of racism that means black people cannot be racist because they are not 'the system'.
I'll give you an example of how this works that I ran into recently.
I was watching this Chinese martial arts comedy called Fong Sai-yuk and in one scene a shopkeeper paints a pair of glasses black to look like sunglasses because they want to appear hip. And they make this funny by having a random white guy (unnamed, is only in this one scene, only purpose is to play with the blind joke) show up, think that she's actually blind and then try to scam her in a bunch of different ways. Changing the weights on the scales, substituting cheap material for expensive, that kind of thing. I watched it and I thought "wow, this is racist as fuck". But it was also kind of funny that in China there is a racist stereotype that white people are out to constantly cheat and steal from the Chinese whenever they think they can get away with it. Looking at the history, I mean sure, that's pretty fair. It's racist as fuck, but I can see why that stereotype exists. It's funny, but also we did totally deserve that.
Now if I actually lived in China and nobody wanted to give me a job or let me date their daughter because they thought I'd steal from the cash register or only wanted her for her inheritance or whatever that'd suck. But being over here where it can't hurt me, yeah, it's kinda funny.
That's the point about racism and power. The exact same racist stereotype goes from being mildly amusing to life ruining the moment you add power to it.
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