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On May 27 2017 02:41 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2017 00:31 ticklishmusic wrote:On May 27 2017 00:12 Plansix wrote:
The numbers are coming out of the Montana race and it looks like conservative super PACs dumped like 6 million into the race the instant it started to look close. Spending by the RNC and DNC looked similar. I can't find an article with exact figures. let this be a lesson on why the dems/left unilaterally disarming wrt PAC's may be a poor idea.though still, quist was a pretty long shot to win. he certainly seemed like a good candidate in many ways though. I know you know this isn't true which is why you put "may". Democrats could have put more money in if they wanted, part of the problem is that the DNC/Dem Leadership is so universally hated outside of the coasts they are essentially useless, other than leeching money from Democrats in those areas. Also PAC's are basically fine. Darkmoney superPAC's like Hillary is heading up are a destructive force on democracy no matter who wields them.
They are all Darkmoney superPACs. Clintons is pretty novel because we know who started it and get some vague idea of who is involved. Many are just shell companies that other groups dump money into with real holdings.
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On May 27 2017 00:46 Mohdoo wrote:I thought I'd share a local cultural issue my area is struggling with right now. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/fiLUFcu.png) There's an effort right now in Portland to shame any businesses that are operated by a person belonging to a culture/race other than the type of food they are selling. They essentially believe that when a white person opens a Mexican restaurant, they are hijacking Mexican culture and exploiting it in a way that perpetuates subjugation of minorities. 2 women who opened a food cart were shamed into closing because they had talked about how they stole the recipes from people they met in mexico. Now, this is beyond ridiculous to me. This is like some sort of bizarre, exaggerated version of affirmative action. This is like putting a cap on the number of white people admitted into a university, rather than giving minorities an extra chance at admittance. Link: https://pdx.eater.com/2017/5/22/15677760/portland-kooks-burrito-cultural-appropriationI've had some pretty extensive discussions with people on Facebook, and it really seems to mostly boil down to the fact that minorities have had a long history of exploitation and we need to let them have their own culture. We need to allow them to utilize their history and recipes and whatnot instead of going into the same business. Since Mexicans already struggle to get business loans, a white person deciding to open a Mexican restaurant makes the existing difficulty of being a Mexican business owner even worse. However, people from Mexico historically being treated worse than people from France doesn’t mean it is suddenly worse to open a Mexican restaurant than a French restaurant. If I lived in south America for a few years, moved back here, and started a restaurant based on the food I learned about, that is clearly ethical. And I wouldn’t say someone should have to spend some years in a country to earn the right to cook meals from that culture. The fact that minorities have a harder time securing business loans does not change the underlying ethics of cultural exchange. Especially for something as dynamic and fluid as recipes. I am very sad to see such misguided angst. At the end of the day, this is an extremely ineffective, hostile, polarizing method of dealing with racial inequality. This kind of behavior makes me increasingly skeptical of this wing of my party. This isn't even effective. It is just an expression of anger.
I can credit liberals that get off the bus at food cultural appropriation with a measure of good sense.
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On May 27 2017 02:29 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2017 02:12 ticklishmusic wrote:On May 27 2017 02:08 Danglars wrote:On May 26 2017 21:49 Gorsameth wrote:On May 26 2017 21:35 Danglars wrote:On May 26 2017 17:17 Slaughter wrote:On May 26 2017 15:57 Danglars wrote:On May 26 2017 15:34 Slaughter wrote:
At least with Hillary she would have you know actually appointed people to work in the government and made a cabinet with competent people. Not to mention sticking it to the GOP members of congress with her supreme court pick and the ability to veto whatever stupid dumpster fire of ideas the GOP congress shits out. Seriously I don't have as big of problem with conservatism as I do with the utter clowns conservatives choose to represent them in congress. But maybe I should thank them because between them and Trump conservatism will probably lose a looot of respect the next few years since Democrats can't do anything to them that they aren't already doing to themselves. Better some clowns to cause a little havoc than a slick crew that oppose my interests! And hell, you said it buddy, sticking it to the Democrat members with his supreme court pick (RIP Garland). I can't think of a better successor to that suave Obama. Everybody's going so crazy and it's absolutely marvelous. He's doing such ludicrous stuff, but not to be outdone, the media sprinkles in three ridiculous accusations for every one solid. I'm trending below 50% agreement with what Trump does, for sure. But the Dems didn't run a Lieberman type, they gave me an unsatisfactory second choice. I'm having some trouble thinking up a likely Dem candidate I'd actually consider better than Trump for my political views. Political churning, at this point, is vastly preferable to a determined push leftward. I guess that is the difference between you and me. If Trump was the Democratic nominee I would have voted Republican despite the ideological differences. Trump is just that bad and it was obvious from his campaign. The difference between you and me is I think America's institutions, or what's worth preserving that's left of them, are resilient enough to last against one knucklehead. To some extent, the left's screwed the goose by investing too heavily in justifying some very bad shit by demonizing Trump. Bad enough to have partisan hacks leaking at every level of the executive, but particularly in the intelligence agencies? Fuck no. Bad enough for reporters to make up stories, lie by omission, ell deceptive half-truths, abandon standards for source vetting? Hell no. In some useful ways and not really to Trump's credit, he's revealed how entitled D.C. feels to undermine rather than personally oppose. Isn't Fox the one that had to retract a story that tried to deflect away from the Trump dumpster fire? Last I checked the vast majority of stories about Trump have been proven, often by Trumps own twitter tirades. Then you probably also believe that Comey was denied funding by Trump, Saudi money went into Ivanka Fund, Spicer hid in hedges from reporters, Rosenstein threatened to resign, the AHCA made rape a pre-existing condition, Mnunchin's bank foreclosed for 27 cents, and Trump threatened to invade Mexico. I wonder if the strategy is to keep a continuing stream of fake news and wake up the next morning not remembering all the retractions to keep people tied down pointing it out. several of those definitely happened, a couple are very likely, a couple are mostly true, and the only one that i'm pretty sure is fake is invading mexico. Actually Trump, in a telephone call with the Mexican President, said that if they(Mexico) wouldn't take care of their 'bad hombres' the US would send its military to do it. Initially denied by both Mexico and the WH it was later confirmed when the WH said it was meant 'light hearted' Source
well darn. i'm really not sure what dangles was going for there, then.
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On May 27 2017 02:47 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2017 02:41 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 27 2017 00:31 ticklishmusic wrote:On May 27 2017 00:12 Plansix wrote:
The numbers are coming out of the Montana race and it looks like conservative super PACs dumped like 6 million into the race the instant it started to look close. Spending by the RNC and DNC looked similar. I can't find an article with exact figures. let this be a lesson on why the dems/left unilaterally disarming wrt PAC's may be a poor idea.though still, quist was a pretty long shot to win. he certainly seemed like a good candidate in many ways though. I know you know this isn't true which is why you put "may". Democrats could have put more money in if they wanted, part of the problem is that the DNC/Dem Leadership is so universally hated outside of the coasts they are essentially useless, other than leeching money from Democrats in those areas. Also PAC's are basically fine. Darkmoney superPAC's like Hillary is heading up are a destructive force on democracy no matter who wields them. They are all Darkmoney superPACs. Clintons is pretty novel because we know who started it and get some vague idea of who is involved. Many are just shell companies that other groups dump money into with real holdings.
PAC's are in fact not darkmoney superPACS. They are distinctly different entities?
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On May 27 2017 02:41 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2017 02:41 NewSunshine wrote:On May 27 2017 02:28 Tachion wrote:On May 27 2017 01:04 TheDwf wrote:On May 27 2017 00:58 Tachion wrote:On May 27 2017 00:46 Mohdoo wrote:I thought I'd share a local cultural issue my area is struggling with right now. There's an effort right now in Portland to shame any businesses that are operated by a person belonging to a culture/race other than the type of food they are selling. They essentially believe that when a white person opens a Mexican restaurant, they are hijacking Mexican culture and exploiting it in a way that perpetuates subjugation of minorities. 2 women who opened a food cart were shamed into closing because they had talked about how they stole the recipes from people they met in mexico. Now, this is beyond ridiculous to me. This is like some sort of bizarre, exaggerated version of affirmative action. This is like putting a cap on the number of white people admitted into a university, rather than giving minorities an extra chance at admittance. Link: https://pdx.eater.com/2017/5/22/15677760/portland-kooks-burrito-cultural-appropriationI've had some pretty extensive discussions with people on Facebook, and it really seems to mostly boil down to the fact that minorities have had a long history of exploitation and we need to let them have their own culture. We need to allow them to utilize their history and recipes and whatnot instead of going into the same business. Since Mexicans already struggle to get business loans, a white person deciding to open a Mexican restaurant makes the existing difficulty of being a Mexican business owner even worse. However, people from Mexico historically being treated worse than people from France doesn’t mean it is suddenly worse to open a Mexican restaurant than a French restaurant. If I lived in south America for a few years, moved back here, and started a restaurant based on the food I learned about, that is clearly ethical. And I wouldn’t say someone should have to spend some years in a country to earn the right to cook meals from that culture. The fact that minorities have a harder time securing business loans does not change the underlying ethics of cultural exchange. Especially for something as dynamic and fluid as recipes. I am very sad to see such misguided angst. At the end of the day, this is an extremely ineffective, hostile, polarizing method of dealing with racial inequality. This kind of behavior makes me increasingly skeptical of this wing of my party. This isn't even effective. It is just an expression of anger. The left's version of the far right. Instead of racism they have...well...I guess this is just racism as well isn't it? Nope, sectarian rancor at past or present domination (triggering outrageous reactions) isn't the same as the actual domination. They are specifically targeting white-owned restaurants with the intention to discriminate against them. They aren't collecting the names of black, mexican, or asian owned businesses that they think are appropriating cultures that are not theirs. This isn't an exercise in stopping cultural appropriation, it's an exercise in finding a way to discriminate against white people on the pretext that it's to empower minorities. I don't even know how you can argue opening a restaurant is any kind of cultural appropriation. Sharing a cuisine with people is only a celebration of that cuisine and culture. That's only hate-fueled discrimination. No they are taking a culture that was likely discriminated against and abused, appropriating their food culture for profit, and often do a terrible job of recognizing the culture beyond "let's sell Mexican food, people expect Mariachi music right?" It's low on my list personally, but to hear people cry of "hate-fueled discrimination" against white people, that's just hilarious.
Ok, so if I were an aspiring chef that wished to celebrate Mexican and Asian cuisines in a restaurant I planned to open, does the fact that I'm white now make that impossible? Does that make it okay when people decide to harass me and my business because I'm not Mexican and Asian? People need to check their baggage at the door.
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On May 27 2017 02:49 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2017 02:47 Plansix wrote:On May 27 2017 02:41 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 27 2017 00:31 ticklishmusic wrote:On May 27 2017 00:12 Plansix wrote:
The numbers are coming out of the Montana race and it looks like conservative super PACs dumped like 6 million into the race the instant it started to look close. Spending by the RNC and DNC looked similar. I can't find an article with exact figures. let this be a lesson on why the dems/left unilaterally disarming wrt PAC's may be a poor idea.though still, quist was a pretty long shot to win. he certainly seemed like a good candidate in many ways though. I know you know this isn't true which is why you put "may". Democrats could have put more money in if they wanted, part of the problem is that the DNC/Dem Leadership is so universally hated outside of the coasts they are essentially useless, other than leeching money from Democrats in those areas. Also PAC's are basically fine. Darkmoney superPAC's like Hillary is heading up are a destructive force on democracy no matter who wields them. They are all Darkmoney superPACs. Clintons is pretty novel because we know who started it and get some vague idea of who is involved. Many are just shell companies that other groups dump money into with real holdings. PAC's are in fact not darkmoney superPACS. They are distinctly different entities?
Yes, but the discussion was about super super packs. Ticklishmusic's reference to traditional PACs was a typo or error. The massive amount of money came from super PACs.
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On May 27 2017 02:41 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2017 00:31 ticklishmusic wrote:On May 27 2017 00:12 Plansix wrote:
The numbers are coming out of the Montana race and it looks like conservative super PACs dumped like 6 million into the race the instant it started to look close. Spending by the RNC and DNC looked similar. I can't find an article with exact figures. let this be a lesson on why the dems/left unilaterally disarming wrt PAC's may be a poor idea.though still, quist was a pretty long shot to win. he certainly seemed like a good candidate in many ways though. I know you know this isn't true which is why you put "may". Democrats could have put more money in if they wanted, part of the problem is that the DNC/Dem Leadership is so universally hated outside of the coasts they are essentially useless, other than leeching money from Democrats in those areas. Also PAC's are basically fine. Darkmoney superPAC's like Hillary is heading up are a destructive force on democracy no matter who wields them. Show nested quote +On May 27 2017 02:41 NewSunshine wrote:On May 27 2017 02:28 Tachion wrote:On May 27 2017 01:04 TheDwf wrote:On May 27 2017 00:58 Tachion wrote:On May 27 2017 00:46 Mohdoo wrote:I thought I'd share a local cultural issue my area is struggling with right now. There's an effort right now in Portland to shame any businesses that are operated by a person belonging to a culture/race other than the type of food they are selling. They essentially believe that when a white person opens a Mexican restaurant, they are hijacking Mexican culture and exploiting it in a way that perpetuates subjugation of minorities. 2 women who opened a food cart were shamed into closing because they had talked about how they stole the recipes from people they met in mexico. Now, this is beyond ridiculous to me. This is like some sort of bizarre, exaggerated version of affirmative action. This is like putting a cap on the number of white people admitted into a university, rather than giving minorities an extra chance at admittance. Link: https://pdx.eater.com/2017/5/22/15677760/portland-kooks-burrito-cultural-appropriationI've had some pretty extensive discussions with people on Facebook, and it really seems to mostly boil down to the fact that minorities have had a long history of exploitation and we need to let them have their own culture. We need to allow them to utilize their history and recipes and whatnot instead of going into the same business. Since Mexicans already struggle to get business loans, a white person deciding to open a Mexican restaurant makes the existing difficulty of being a Mexican business owner even worse. However, people from Mexico historically being treated worse than people from France doesn’t mean it is suddenly worse to open a Mexican restaurant than a French restaurant. If I lived in south America for a few years, moved back here, and started a restaurant based on the food I learned about, that is clearly ethical. And I wouldn’t say someone should have to spend some years in a country to earn the right to cook meals from that culture. The fact that minorities have a harder time securing business loans does not change the underlying ethics of cultural exchange. Especially for something as dynamic and fluid as recipes. I am very sad to see such misguided angst. At the end of the day, this is an extremely ineffective, hostile, polarizing method of dealing with racial inequality. This kind of behavior makes me increasingly skeptical of this wing of my party. This isn't even effective. It is just an expression of anger. The left's version of the far right. Instead of racism they have...well...I guess this is just racism as well isn't it? Nope, sectarian rancor at past or present domination (triggering outrageous reactions) isn't the same as the actual domination. They are specifically targeting white-owned restaurants with the intention to discriminate against them. They aren't collecting the names of black, mexican, or asian owned businesses that they think are appropriating cultures that are not theirs. This isn't an exercise in stopping cultural appropriation, it's an exercise in finding a way to discriminate against white people on the pretext that it's to empower minorities. I don't even know how you can argue opening a restaurant is any kind of cultural appropriation. Sharing a cuisine with people is only a celebration of that cuisine and culture. That's only hate-fueled discrimination. No they are taking a culture that was likely discriminated against and abused, appropriating their food culture for profit, and often do a terrible job of recognizing the culture beyond "let's sell Mexican food, people expect Mariachi music right?"
Why in the world is there any need to "recognize" the culture besides serving the food? Its a restaurant, not a historical monument. People are selling tacos. It's not like some kind of cultural patent is being violated. A history of hardship surrounding a group of people does relate. These are two totally separate issues.
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On May 27 2017 02:12 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2017 02:08 Danglars wrote:On May 26 2017 21:49 Gorsameth wrote:On May 26 2017 21:35 Danglars wrote:On May 26 2017 17:17 Slaughter wrote:On May 26 2017 15:57 Danglars wrote:On May 26 2017 15:34 Slaughter wrote:
At least with Hillary she would have you know actually appointed people to work in the government and made a cabinet with competent people. Not to mention sticking it to the GOP members of congress with her supreme court pick and the ability to veto whatever stupid dumpster fire of ideas the GOP congress shits out. Seriously I don't have as big of problem with conservatism as I do with the utter clowns conservatives choose to represent them in congress. But maybe I should thank them because between them and Trump conservatism will probably lose a looot of respect the next few years since Democrats can't do anything to them that they aren't already doing to themselves. Better some clowns to cause a little havoc than a slick crew that oppose my interests! And hell, you said it buddy, sticking it to the Democrat members with his supreme court pick (RIP Garland). I can't think of a better successor to that suave Obama. Everybody's going so crazy and it's absolutely marvelous. He's doing such ludicrous stuff, but not to be outdone, the media sprinkles in three ridiculous accusations for every one solid. I'm trending below 50% agreement with what Trump does, for sure. But the Dems didn't run a Lieberman type, they gave me an unsatisfactory second choice. I'm having some trouble thinking up a likely Dem candidate I'd actually consider better than Trump for my political views. Political churning, at this point, is vastly preferable to a determined push leftward. I guess that is the difference between you and me. If Trump was the Democratic nominee I would have voted Republican despite the ideological differences. Trump is just that bad and it was obvious from his campaign. The difference between you and me is I think America's institutions, or what's worth preserving that's left of them, are resilient enough to last against one knucklehead. To some extent, the left's screwed the goose by investing too heavily in justifying some very bad shit by demonizing Trump. Bad enough to have partisan hacks leaking at every level of the executive, but particularly in the intelligence agencies? Fuck no. Bad enough for reporters to make up stories, lie by omission, ell deceptive half-truths, abandon standards for source vetting? Hell no. In some useful ways and not really to Trump's credit, he's revealed how entitled D.C. feels to undermine rather than personally oppose. Isn't Fox the one that had to retract a story that tried to deflect away from the Trump dumpster fire? Last I checked the vast majority of stories about Trump have been proven, often by Trumps own twitter tirades. Then you probably also believe that Comey was denied funding by Trump, Saudi money went into Ivanka Fund, Spicer hid in hedges from reporters, Rosenstein threatened to resign, the AHCA made rape a pre-existing condition, Mnunchin's bank foreclosed for 27 cents, and Trump threatened to invade Mexico. I wonder if the strategy is to keep a continuing stream of fake news and wake up the next morning not remembering all the retractions to keep people tied down pointing it out. several of those definitely happened, a couple are very likely, a couple are mostly true, and the only one that i'm pretty sure is fake is invading mexico.
I guess what you want to be true can be true in this age.
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On May 27 2017 02:50 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2017 02:41 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 27 2017 02:41 NewSunshine wrote:On May 27 2017 02:28 Tachion wrote:On May 27 2017 01:04 TheDwf wrote:On May 27 2017 00:58 Tachion wrote:On May 27 2017 00:46 Mohdoo wrote:I thought I'd share a local cultural issue my area is struggling with right now. There's an effort right now in Portland to shame any businesses that are operated by a person belonging to a culture/race other than the type of food they are selling. They essentially believe that when a white person opens a Mexican restaurant, they are hijacking Mexican culture and exploiting it in a way that perpetuates subjugation of minorities. 2 women who opened a food cart were shamed into closing because they had talked about how they stole the recipes from people they met in mexico. Now, this is beyond ridiculous to me. This is like some sort of bizarre, exaggerated version of affirmative action. This is like putting a cap on the number of white people admitted into a university, rather than giving minorities an extra chance at admittance. Link: https://pdx.eater.com/2017/5/22/15677760/portland-kooks-burrito-cultural-appropriationI've had some pretty extensive discussions with people on Facebook, and it really seems to mostly boil down to the fact that minorities have had a long history of exploitation and we need to let them have their own culture. We need to allow them to utilize their history and recipes and whatnot instead of going into the same business. Since Mexicans already struggle to get business loans, a white person deciding to open a Mexican restaurant makes the existing difficulty of being a Mexican business owner even worse. However, people from Mexico historically being treated worse than people from France doesn’t mean it is suddenly worse to open a Mexican restaurant than a French restaurant. If I lived in south America for a few years, moved back here, and started a restaurant based on the food I learned about, that is clearly ethical. And I wouldn’t say someone should have to spend some years in a country to earn the right to cook meals from that culture. The fact that minorities have a harder time securing business loans does not change the underlying ethics of cultural exchange. Especially for something as dynamic and fluid as recipes. I am very sad to see such misguided angst. At the end of the day, this is an extremely ineffective, hostile, polarizing method of dealing with racial inequality. This kind of behavior makes me increasingly skeptical of this wing of my party. This isn't even effective. It is just an expression of anger. The left's version of the far right. Instead of racism they have...well...I guess this is just racism as well isn't it? Nope, sectarian rancor at past or present domination (triggering outrageous reactions) isn't the same as the actual domination. They are specifically targeting white-owned restaurants with the intention to discriminate against them. They aren't collecting the names of black, mexican, or asian owned businesses that they think are appropriating cultures that are not theirs. This isn't an exercise in stopping cultural appropriation, it's an exercise in finding a way to discriminate against white people on the pretext that it's to empower minorities. I don't even know how you can argue opening a restaurant is any kind of cultural appropriation. Sharing a cuisine with people is only a celebration of that cuisine and culture. That's only hate-fueled discrimination. No they are taking a culture that was likely discriminated against and abused, appropriating their food culture for profit, and often do a terrible job of recognizing the culture beyond "let's sell Mexican food, people expect Mariachi music right?" It's low on my list personally, but to hear people cry of "hate-fueled discrimination" against white people, that's just hilarious. Ok, so if I were an aspiring chef that wished to celebrate Mexican and Asian cuisines in a restaurant I planned to open, does the fact that I'm white now make that impossible? Does that make it okay when people decide to harass me and my business because I'm not Mexican and Asian? People need to check their baggage at the door.
No, but you're kidding yourself if you think people are "celebrating cuisine" (which isn't the entirety of the culture).
Here's the two ways these typically work out and why people are mad (hint: it's not because they are white).
The white owners exploit the people from said culture (particularly popular with Mexican/Chinese restaurants exploiting immigrants legal and otherwise).
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They fill the place with white people who just do a terrible imitation of the food from the culture they are appropriating it from.
White owners suffering from "hate-fueled discrimination" is the least bad and least common of those circumstances.
On May 27 2017 02:56 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2017 02:41 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 27 2017 00:31 ticklishmusic wrote:On May 27 2017 00:12 Plansix wrote:
The numbers are coming out of the Montana race and it looks like conservative super PACs dumped like 6 million into the race the instant it started to look close. Spending by the RNC and DNC looked similar. I can't find an article with exact figures. let this be a lesson on why the dems/left unilaterally disarming wrt PAC's may be a poor idea.though still, quist was a pretty long shot to win. he certainly seemed like a good candidate in many ways though. I know you know this isn't true which is why you put "may". Democrats could have put more money in if they wanted, part of the problem is that the DNC/Dem Leadership is so universally hated outside of the coasts they are essentially useless, other than leeching money from Democrats in those areas. Also PAC's are basically fine. Darkmoney superPAC's like Hillary is heading up are a destructive force on democracy no matter who wields them. On May 27 2017 02:41 NewSunshine wrote:On May 27 2017 02:28 Tachion wrote:On May 27 2017 01:04 TheDwf wrote:On May 27 2017 00:58 Tachion wrote:On May 27 2017 00:46 Mohdoo wrote:I thought I'd share a local cultural issue my area is struggling with right now. There's an effort right now in Portland to shame any businesses that are operated by a person belonging to a culture/race other than the type of food they are selling. They essentially believe that when a white person opens a Mexican restaurant, they are hijacking Mexican culture and exploiting it in a way that perpetuates subjugation of minorities. 2 women who opened a food cart were shamed into closing because they had talked about how they stole the recipes from people they met in mexico. Now, this is beyond ridiculous to me. This is like some sort of bizarre, exaggerated version of affirmative action. This is like putting a cap on the number of white people admitted into a university, rather than giving minorities an extra chance at admittance. Link: https://pdx.eater.com/2017/5/22/15677760/portland-kooks-burrito-cultural-appropriationI've had some pretty extensive discussions with people on Facebook, and it really seems to mostly boil down to the fact that minorities have had a long history of exploitation and we need to let them have their own culture. We need to allow them to utilize their history and recipes and whatnot instead of going into the same business. Since Mexicans already struggle to get business loans, a white person deciding to open a Mexican restaurant makes the existing difficulty of being a Mexican business owner even worse. However, people from Mexico historically being treated worse than people from France doesn’t mean it is suddenly worse to open a Mexican restaurant than a French restaurant. If I lived in south America for a few years, moved back here, and started a restaurant based on the food I learned about, that is clearly ethical. And I wouldn’t say someone should have to spend some years in a country to earn the right to cook meals from that culture. The fact that minorities have a harder time securing business loans does not change the underlying ethics of cultural exchange. Especially for something as dynamic and fluid as recipes. I am very sad to see such misguided angst. At the end of the day, this is an extremely ineffective, hostile, polarizing method of dealing with racial inequality. This kind of behavior makes me increasingly skeptical of this wing of my party. This isn't even effective. It is just an expression of anger. The left's version of the far right. Instead of racism they have...well...I guess this is just racism as well isn't it? Nope, sectarian rancor at past or present domination (triggering outrageous reactions) isn't the same as the actual domination. They are specifically targeting white-owned restaurants with the intention to discriminate against them. They aren't collecting the names of black, mexican, or asian owned businesses that they think are appropriating cultures that are not theirs. This isn't an exercise in stopping cultural appropriation, it's an exercise in finding a way to discriminate against white people on the pretext that it's to empower minorities. I don't even know how you can argue opening a restaurant is any kind of cultural appropriation. Sharing a cuisine with people is only a celebration of that cuisine and culture. That's only hate-fueled discrimination. No they are taking a culture that was likely discriminated against and abused, appropriating their food culture for profit, and often do a terrible job of recognizing the culture beyond "let's sell Mexican food, people expect Mariachi music right?" Why in the world is there any need to "recognize" the culture besides serving the food? Its a restaurant, not a historical monument. People are selling tacos. It's not like some kind of cultural patent is being violated. A history of hardship surrounding a group of people does relate. These are two totally separate issues.
This is how white people feel about pretty much everything they've stolen/appropriated/destroyed for their own benefit.
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I have to say, while it does confirm how bad their behavior has been with such information, it's better that somebody has the sense to try their hand at some real diplomacy.
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On May 27 2017 02:41 GreenHorizons wrote:
No they are taking a culture that was likely discriminated against and abused, appropriating their food culture for profit, and often do a terrible job of recognizing the culture beyond "let's sell Mexican food, people expect Mariachi music right?"
It's low on my list personally, but to hear people cry of "hate-fueled discrimination" against white people, that's just hilarious.
I generally favor your perspective on stuff like this and think it's interesting.. I'm not agreeing that this is 'hate-fueled discrimination against white people', and I can see how a white person making 'AUTHENTIC MEXICAN FOOD' and then serving tex-mex while playing Colombian music or whatever can be like, if not really offensive, then not entirely right.
But if I'm a white guy and I think south east asian cuisine is just the best, can I not make a south east asian inspired restaurant because I'm white without it being cultural appropriation? Outrage over people from a certain ethnicity cooking food from another ethnicity just seems to be entirely against the idea of a non-racist society..
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a lot of the 'authentic' asian owned asian restaurants have latino people working in them (heck, a lot of restaurants period do). how am i supposed to feel about that? do the people making the food mean anything vs. the owner, head chef, floor staff or bartender?
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On May 27 2017 02:59 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2017 02:50 NewSunshine wrote:On May 27 2017 02:41 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 27 2017 02:41 NewSunshine wrote:On May 27 2017 02:28 Tachion wrote:On May 27 2017 01:04 TheDwf wrote:On May 27 2017 00:58 Tachion wrote:On May 27 2017 00:46 Mohdoo wrote:I thought I'd share a local cultural issue my area is struggling with right now. There's an effort right now in Portland to shame any businesses that are operated by a person belonging to a culture/race other than the type of food they are selling. They essentially believe that when a white person opens a Mexican restaurant, they are hijacking Mexican culture and exploiting it in a way that perpetuates subjugation of minorities. 2 women who opened a food cart were shamed into closing because they had talked about how they stole the recipes from people they met in mexico. Now, this is beyond ridiculous to me. This is like some sort of bizarre, exaggerated version of affirmative action. This is like putting a cap on the number of white people admitted into a university, rather than giving minorities an extra chance at admittance. Link: https://pdx.eater.com/2017/5/22/15677760/portland-kooks-burrito-cultural-appropriationI've had some pretty extensive discussions with people on Facebook, and it really seems to mostly boil down to the fact that minorities have had a long history of exploitation and we need to let them have their own culture. We need to allow them to utilize their history and recipes and whatnot instead of going into the same business. Since Mexicans already struggle to get business loans, a white person deciding to open a Mexican restaurant makes the existing difficulty of being a Mexican business owner even worse. However, people from Mexico historically being treated worse than people from France doesn’t mean it is suddenly worse to open a Mexican restaurant than a French restaurant. If I lived in south America for a few years, moved back here, and started a restaurant based on the food I learned about, that is clearly ethical. And I wouldn’t say someone should have to spend some years in a country to earn the right to cook meals from that culture. The fact that minorities have a harder time securing business loans does not change the underlying ethics of cultural exchange. Especially for something as dynamic and fluid as recipes. I am very sad to see such misguided angst. At the end of the day, this is an extremely ineffective, hostile, polarizing method of dealing with racial inequality. This kind of behavior makes me increasingly skeptical of this wing of my party. This isn't even effective. It is just an expression of anger. The left's version of the far right. Instead of racism they have...well...I guess this is just racism as well isn't it? Nope, sectarian rancor at past or present domination (triggering outrageous reactions) isn't the same as the actual domination. They are specifically targeting white-owned restaurants with the intention to discriminate against them. They aren't collecting the names of black, mexican, or asian owned businesses that they think are appropriating cultures that are not theirs. This isn't an exercise in stopping cultural appropriation, it's an exercise in finding a way to discriminate against white people on the pretext that it's to empower minorities. I don't even know how you can argue opening a restaurant is any kind of cultural appropriation. Sharing a cuisine with people is only a celebration of that cuisine and culture. That's only hate-fueled discrimination. No they are taking a culture that was likely discriminated against and abused, appropriating their food culture for profit, and often do a terrible job of recognizing the culture beyond "let's sell Mexican food, people expect Mariachi music right?" It's low on my list personally, but to hear people cry of "hate-fueled discrimination" against white people, that's just hilarious. Ok, so if I were an aspiring chef that wished to celebrate Mexican and Asian cuisines in a restaurant I planned to open, does the fact that I'm white now make that impossible? Does that make it okay when people decide to harass me and my business because I'm not Mexican and Asian? People need to check their baggage at the door. No, but you're kidding yourself if you think people are "celebrating cuisine" (which isn't the entirety of the culture). Here's the two ways these typically work out and why people are mad (hint: it's not because they are white). The white owners exploit the people from said culture (particularly popular with Mexican/Chinese restaurants exploiting immigrants legal and otherwise). OR They fill the place with white people who just do a terrible imitation of the food from the culture they are appropriating it from. White owners suffering from "hate-fueled discrimination" is the least bad and least common of those circumstances. Show nested quote +On May 27 2017 02:56 Mohdoo wrote:On May 27 2017 02:41 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 27 2017 00:31 ticklishmusic wrote:On May 27 2017 00:12 Plansix wrote:
The numbers are coming out of the Montana race and it looks like conservative super PACs dumped like 6 million into the race the instant it started to look close. Spending by the RNC and DNC looked similar. I can't find an article with exact figures. let this be a lesson on why the dems/left unilaterally disarming wrt PAC's may be a poor idea.though still, quist was a pretty long shot to win. he certainly seemed like a good candidate in many ways though. I know you know this isn't true which is why you put "may". Democrats could have put more money in if they wanted, part of the problem is that the DNC/Dem Leadership is so universally hated outside of the coasts they are essentially useless, other than leeching money from Democrats in those areas. Also PAC's are basically fine. Darkmoney superPAC's like Hillary is heading up are a destructive force on democracy no matter who wields them. On May 27 2017 02:41 NewSunshine wrote:On May 27 2017 02:28 Tachion wrote:On May 27 2017 01:04 TheDwf wrote:On May 27 2017 00:58 Tachion wrote:On May 27 2017 00:46 Mohdoo wrote:I thought I'd share a local cultural issue my area is struggling with right now. There's an effort right now in Portland to shame any businesses that are operated by a person belonging to a culture/race other than the type of food they are selling. They essentially believe that when a white person opens a Mexican restaurant, they are hijacking Mexican culture and exploiting it in a way that perpetuates subjugation of minorities. 2 women who opened a food cart were shamed into closing because they had talked about how they stole the recipes from people they met in mexico. Now, this is beyond ridiculous to me. This is like some sort of bizarre, exaggerated version of affirmative action. This is like putting a cap on the number of white people admitted into a university, rather than giving minorities an extra chance at admittance. Link: https://pdx.eater.com/2017/5/22/15677760/portland-kooks-burrito-cultural-appropriationI've had some pretty extensive discussions with people on Facebook, and it really seems to mostly boil down to the fact that minorities have had a long history of exploitation and we need to let them have their own culture. We need to allow them to utilize their history and recipes and whatnot instead of going into the same business. Since Mexicans already struggle to get business loans, a white person deciding to open a Mexican restaurant makes the existing difficulty of being a Mexican business owner even worse. However, people from Mexico historically being treated worse than people from France doesn’t mean it is suddenly worse to open a Mexican restaurant than a French restaurant. If I lived in south America for a few years, moved back here, and started a restaurant based on the food I learned about, that is clearly ethical. And I wouldn’t say someone should have to spend some years in a country to earn the right to cook meals from that culture. The fact that minorities have a harder time securing business loans does not change the underlying ethics of cultural exchange. Especially for something as dynamic and fluid as recipes. I am very sad to see such misguided angst. At the end of the day, this is an extremely ineffective, hostile, polarizing method of dealing with racial inequality. This kind of behavior makes me increasingly skeptical of this wing of my party. This isn't even effective. It is just an expression of anger. The left's version of the far right. Instead of racism they have...well...I guess this is just racism as well isn't it? Nope, sectarian rancor at past or present domination (triggering outrageous reactions) isn't the same as the actual domination. They are specifically targeting white-owned restaurants with the intention to discriminate against them. They aren't collecting the names of black, mexican, or asian owned businesses that they think are appropriating cultures that are not theirs. This isn't an exercise in stopping cultural appropriation, it's an exercise in finding a way to discriminate against white people on the pretext that it's to empower minorities. I don't even know how you can argue opening a restaurant is any kind of cultural appropriation. Sharing a cuisine with people is only a celebration of that cuisine and culture. That's only hate-fueled discrimination. No they are taking a culture that was likely discriminated against and abused, appropriating their food culture for profit, and often do a terrible job of recognizing the culture beyond "let's sell Mexican food, people expect Mariachi music right?" Why in the world is there any need to "recognize" the culture besides serving the food? Its a restaurant, not a historical monument. People are selling tacos. It's not like some kind of cultural patent is being violated. A history of hardship surrounding a group of people does relate. These are two totally separate issues. This is how white people feel about pretty much everything they've stolen/appropriated/destroyed for their own benefit.
I think you need to seriously take a step back from this issue, if you think a white person is incapable of touching any kind of culture without destroying it. How are you supposed to overcome racial barriers if you elect to enforce them so staunchly yourself?
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On May 27 2017 02:59 GreenHorizons wrote:
This is how white people feel about pretty much everything they've stolen/appropriated/destroyed for their own benefit.
And you are saying because white people feel this way, I should not feel this way? I don't understand what you're saying here. I'm not white. I am asking you why it is valuable to "recognize" (and what do you mean by recognize?) the culture besides serving the food.
edit: god damn that was a difficult quote string to condense lol
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I think GH’s criticism of the cynical use of other cultures as marketing has some real merit. However, I don’t think this google doc of companies guilty of cultural appropriation was created by a group of thoughtful, reasonable people who spent a lot of time having a discussion about why each company needed to be on the list.
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On May 27 2017 03:02 Liquid`Drone wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2017 02:41 GreenHorizons wrote:
No they are taking a culture that was likely discriminated against and abused, appropriating their food culture for profit, and often do a terrible job of recognizing the culture beyond "let's sell Mexican food, people expect Mariachi music right?"
It's low on my list personally, but to hear people cry of "hate-fueled discrimination" against white people, that's just hilarious. I generally favor your perspective on stuff like this and think it's interesting.. I'm not agreeing that this is 'hate-fueled discrimination against white people', and I can see how a white person making 'AUTHENTIC MEXICAN FOOD' and then serving tex-mex while playing Colombian music or whatever can be like, if not really offensive, then not entirely right. But if I'm a white guy and I think south east asian cuisine is just the best, can I not make a south east asian inspired restaurant because I'm white without it being cultural appropriation? Outrage over people from a certain ethnicity cooking food from another ethnicity just seems to be entirely against the idea of a non-racist society..
First, if the punishment for white imperialism was that they couldn't imitate other cultures food for their personal profit, that would be a pretty small price to pay.
Setting that aside, sure, but don't think you can appropriate the food, without any regard for the culture. A white person giving a restaurant a Mexican name, calling it "authentic Mexican" then hiring a bunch of white people to make bland imitation burritos is offensive and POC are going to tell you whether white people want to hear it or not.
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On May 27 2017 03:04 ticklishmusic wrote:
a lot of the 'authentic' asian owned asian restaurants have latino people working in them (heck, a lot of restaurants period do). how am i supposed to feel about that? do the people making the food mean anything vs. the owner, head chef, floor staff or bartender?
My wife's family has a basic test: If most of the people eating in the restaurant are of the restaurant's ethnicity, it's probably authentic regardless of who's doing the serving/cooking/owning.
Hilariously applied when we went to a burger place and my wife whispered to me, "You know this is going to be good because everyone here's a redneck".
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On May 27 2017 03:07 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2017 03:02 Liquid`Drone wrote:On May 27 2017 02:41 GreenHorizons wrote:
No they are taking a culture that was likely discriminated against and abused, appropriating their food culture for profit, and often do a terrible job of recognizing the culture beyond "let's sell Mexican food, people expect Mariachi music right?"
It's low on my list personally, but to hear people cry of "hate-fueled discrimination" against white people, that's just hilarious. I generally favor your perspective on stuff like this and think it's interesting.. I'm not agreeing that this is 'hate-fueled discrimination against white people', and I can see how a white person making 'AUTHENTIC MEXICAN FOOD' and then serving tex-mex while playing Colombian music or whatever can be like, if not really offensive, then not entirely right. But if I'm a white guy and I think south east asian cuisine is just the best, can I not make a south east asian inspired restaurant because I'm white without it being cultural appropriation? Outrage over people from a certain ethnicity cooking food from another ethnicity just seems to be entirely against the idea of a non-racist society.. First, if the punishment for white imperialism was that they couldn't imitate other cultures food for their personal profit, that would be a pretty small price to pay. Setting that aside, sure, but don't think you can appropriate the food, without any regard for the culture. A white person giving a restaurant a Mexican name, calling it "authentic Mexican" then hiring a bunch of white people to make bland imitation burritos is offensive and POC are going to tell you whether white people want to hear it or not.
On May 27 2017 03:04 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2017 02:59 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 27 2017 02:50 NewSunshine wrote:On May 27 2017 02:41 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 27 2017 02:41 NewSunshine wrote:On May 27 2017 02:28 Tachion wrote:On May 27 2017 01:04 TheDwf wrote:On May 27 2017 00:58 Tachion wrote:On May 27 2017 00:46 Mohdoo wrote:I thought I'd share a local cultural issue my area is struggling with right now. There's an effort right now in Portland to shame any businesses that are operated by a person belonging to a culture/race other than the type of food they are selling. They essentially believe that when a white person opens a Mexican restaurant, they are hijacking Mexican culture and exploiting it in a way that perpetuates subjugation of minorities. 2 women who opened a food cart were shamed into closing because they had talked about how they stole the recipes from people they met in mexico. Now, this is beyond ridiculous to me. This is like some sort of bizarre, exaggerated version of affirmative action. This is like putting a cap on the number of white people admitted into a university, rather than giving minorities an extra chance at admittance. Link: https://pdx.eater.com/2017/5/22/15677760/portland-kooks-burrito-cultural-appropriationI've had some pretty extensive discussions with people on Facebook, and it really seems to mostly boil down to the fact that minorities have had a long history of exploitation and we need to let them have their own culture. We need to allow them to utilize their history and recipes and whatnot instead of going into the same business. Since Mexicans already struggle to get business loans, a white person deciding to open a Mexican restaurant makes the existing difficulty of being a Mexican business owner even worse. However, people from Mexico historically being treated worse than people from France doesn’t mean it is suddenly worse to open a Mexican restaurant than a French restaurant. If I lived in south America for a few years, moved back here, and started a restaurant based on the food I learned about, that is clearly ethical. And I wouldn’t say someone should have to spend some years in a country to earn the right to cook meals from that culture. The fact that minorities have a harder time securing business loans does not change the underlying ethics of cultural exchange. Especially for something as dynamic and fluid as recipes. I am very sad to see such misguided angst. At the end of the day, this is an extremely ineffective, hostile, polarizing method of dealing with racial inequality. This kind of behavior makes me increasingly skeptical of this wing of my party. This isn't even effective. It is just an expression of anger. The left's version of the far right. Instead of racism they have...well...I guess this is just racism as well isn't it? Nope, sectarian rancor at past or present domination (triggering outrageous reactions) isn't the same as the actual domination. They are specifically targeting white-owned restaurants with the intention to discriminate against them. They aren't collecting the names of black, mexican, or asian owned businesses that they think are appropriating cultures that are not theirs. This isn't an exercise in stopping cultural appropriation, it's an exercise in finding a way to discriminate against white people on the pretext that it's to empower minorities. I don't even know how you can argue opening a restaurant is any kind of cultural appropriation. Sharing a cuisine with people is only a celebration of that cuisine and culture. That's only hate-fueled discrimination. No they are taking a culture that was likely discriminated against and abused, appropriating their food culture for profit, and often do a terrible job of recognizing the culture beyond "let's sell Mexican food, people expect Mariachi music right?" It's low on my list personally, but to hear people cry of "hate-fueled discrimination" against white people, that's just hilarious. Ok, so if I were an aspiring chef that wished to celebrate Mexican and Asian cuisines in a restaurant I planned to open, does the fact that I'm white now make that impossible? Does that make it okay when people decide to harass me and my business because I'm not Mexican and Asian? People need to check their baggage at the door. No, but you're kidding yourself if you think people are "celebrating cuisine" (which isn't the entirety of the culture). Here's the two ways these typically work out and why people are mad (hint: it's not because they are white). The white owners exploit the people from said culture (particularly popular with Mexican/Chinese restaurants exploiting immigrants legal and otherwise). OR They fill the place with white people who just do a terrible imitation of the food from the culture they are appropriating it from. White owners suffering from "hate-fueled discrimination" is the least bad and least common of those circumstances. On May 27 2017 02:56 Mohdoo wrote:On May 27 2017 02:41 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 27 2017 00:31 ticklishmusic wrote:On May 27 2017 00:12 Plansix wrote:
The numbers are coming out of the Montana race and it looks like conservative super PACs dumped like 6 million into the race the instant it started to look close. Spending by the RNC and DNC looked similar. I can't find an article with exact figures. let this be a lesson on why the dems/left unilaterally disarming wrt PAC's may be a poor idea.though still, quist was a pretty long shot to win. he certainly seemed like a good candidate in many ways though. I know you know this isn't true which is why you put "may". Democrats could have put more money in if they wanted, part of the problem is that the DNC/Dem Leadership is so universally hated outside of the coasts they are essentially useless, other than leeching money from Democrats in those areas. Also PAC's are basically fine. Darkmoney superPAC's like Hillary is heading up are a destructive force on democracy no matter who wields them. On May 27 2017 02:41 NewSunshine wrote:On May 27 2017 02:28 Tachion wrote:On May 27 2017 01:04 TheDwf wrote:On May 27 2017 00:58 Tachion wrote:On May 27 2017 00:46 Mohdoo wrote:I thought I'd share a local cultural issue my area is struggling with right now. There's an effort right now in Portland to shame any businesses that are operated by a person belonging to a culture/race other than the type of food they are selling. They essentially believe that when a white person opens a Mexican restaurant, they are hijacking Mexican culture and exploiting it in a way that perpetuates subjugation of minorities. 2 women who opened a food cart were shamed into closing because they had talked about how they stole the recipes from people they met in mexico. Now, this is beyond ridiculous to me. This is like some sort of bizarre, exaggerated version of affirmative action. This is like putting a cap on the number of white people admitted into a university, rather than giving minorities an extra chance at admittance. Link: https://pdx.eater.com/2017/5/22/15677760/portland-kooks-burrito-cultural-appropriationI've had some pretty extensive discussions with people on Facebook, and it really seems to mostly boil down to the fact that minorities have had a long history of exploitation and we need to let them have their own culture. We need to allow them to utilize their history and recipes and whatnot instead of going into the same business. Since Mexicans already struggle to get business loans, a white person deciding to open a Mexican restaurant makes the existing difficulty of being a Mexican business owner even worse. However, people from Mexico historically being treated worse than people from France doesn’t mean it is suddenly worse to open a Mexican restaurant than a French restaurant. If I lived in south America for a few years, moved back here, and started a restaurant based on the food I learned about, that is clearly ethical. And I wouldn’t say someone should have to spend some years in a country to earn the right to cook meals from that culture. The fact that minorities have a harder time securing business loans does not change the underlying ethics of cultural exchange. Especially for something as dynamic and fluid as recipes. I am very sad to see such misguided angst. At the end of the day, this is an extremely ineffective, hostile, polarizing method of dealing with racial inequality. This kind of behavior makes me increasingly skeptical of this wing of my party. This isn't even effective. It is just an expression of anger. The left's version of the far right. Instead of racism they have...well...I guess this is just racism as well isn't it? Nope, sectarian rancor at past or present domination (triggering outrageous reactions) isn't the same as the actual domination. They are specifically targeting white-owned restaurants with the intention to discriminate against them. They aren't collecting the names of black, mexican, or asian owned businesses that they think are appropriating cultures that are not theirs. This isn't an exercise in stopping cultural appropriation, it's an exercise in finding a way to discriminate against white people on the pretext that it's to empower minorities. I don't even know how you can argue opening a restaurant is any kind of cultural appropriation. Sharing a cuisine with people is only a celebration of that cuisine and culture. That's only hate-fueled discrimination. No they are taking a culture that was likely discriminated against and abused, appropriating their food culture for profit, and often do a terrible job of recognizing the culture beyond "let's sell Mexican food, people expect Mariachi music right?" Why in the world is there any need to "recognize" the culture besides serving the food? Its a restaurant, not a historical monument. People are selling tacos. It's not like some kind of cultural patent is being violated. A history of hardship surrounding a group of people does relate. These are two totally separate issues. This is how white people feel about pretty much everything they've stolen/appropriated/destroyed for their own benefit. I think you need to seriously take a step back from this issue, if you think a white person is incapable of touching any kind of culture without destroying it. How are you supposed to overcome racial barriers if you elect to enforce them so staunchly yourself?
I don't think white people are incapable, I just think they have about 1000 years of bad habits.
We'll start to overcome racial barriers when white people genuinely stop thinking they are a race.
On May 27 2017 03:04 ticklishmusic wrote:
a lot of the 'authentic' asian owned asian restaurants have latino people working in them (heck, a lot of restaurants period do). how am i supposed to feel about that? do the people making the food mean anything vs. the owner, head chef, floor staff or bartender?
I mean that's up to you, but I sincerely doubt there are many Latino owned Asian restaurants. The PNW is FULL of Asian joints and I've never come across one that was not Asian/White owned. Now I have noticed the food and the origin of the Asian owner are frequently different (Basically any Asian food is Korean owned here with a spattering of Japanese and Chinese folks)
American racism is enough for me, I don't know enough about Asian-on-Asian racism (other than it's extremely prevalent) to go beyond that.
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On May 27 2017 03:02 Liquid`Drone wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2017 02:41 GreenHorizons wrote:
No they are taking a culture that was likely discriminated against and abused, appropriating their food culture for profit, and often do a terrible job of recognizing the culture beyond "let's sell Mexican food, people expect Mariachi music right?"
It's low on my list personally, but to hear people cry of "hate-fueled discrimination" against white people, that's just hilarious. I generally favor your perspective on stuff like this and think it's interesting.. I'm not agreeing that this is 'hate-fueled discrimination against white people', and I can see how a white person making 'AUTHENTIC MEXICAN FOOD' and then serving tex-mex while playing Colombian music or whatever can be like, if not really offensive, then not entirely right.
It's totally possible for people of any color to learn how to 'correctly' make any nationality of cuisine, and even putting your own spin on such a thing is a celebration in and of itself. Food is a universal language, it's something anyone can understand and appreciate. On the other hand, if someone were uneducated-ly amalgamate different cultures like you describe without realizing it, then educating them is the way to go, not flat attacking them.
As for the discrimination part, I was referring specifically to the story in Portland, where it doesn't look like it could be anything else.
On May 27 2017 03:10 GreenHorizons wrote:
I don't think white people are incapable, I just think they have about 1000 years of bad habits.
We'll start to overcome racial barriers when white people genuinely stop thinking they are a race.
Not all believe it. I certainly don't. But how else are we supposed to have the discussion, if I am to dance around the term? It just seems like you're more eager to raise 1000 years of persecution, than really talk about why sharing food is fine, or wonderful even.
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