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This is the stuff that hasn't really taken root in europe and boy... I hope it never will. I circle very leftist people (to them i'm kinda conservative/far right) and they have never brought anything up even resembling this bullshit.
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Why are they testing this? First is disingenous. First of that specific type of ICBM perhaps, but not first for ICBMs in general. There were loads of tests done for various types of ICBMs for the SDI. The Pentagon should already know whether or not they can intercept such a missile from North Korea.
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On May 27 2017 01:36 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
This test failing would be a really, really bad thing.
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On May 27 2017 01:51 Velr wrote:
This is the stuff that hasn't really taken root in europe and boy... I hope it never will. I circle very leftist people (to them i'm kinda conservative/far right) and they have never brought anything up even resembling this bullshit.
You are lucky then. I have some friends who will mindlessly copy every bullshit their "progressive" online tumblr friends come up with, sadly. I have already heard a fair share of nonsense about cultural appropriation.
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United States43964 Posts
On May 27 2017 01:54 Mohdoo wrote:This test failing would be a really, really bad thing.
It almost certainly will. Shooting down an ICBM is somewhat harder than deflecting an oncoming bullet with a revolver. ICBMs have been the superweapon of choice since the 60s and a way of actually countering them has been the goal of every nuclear power in existence since then. It's impressive that they think they have a system that might work but it almost certainly won't work the first few times they test it.
Also this test succeeding means the end of nuclear assured MAD which is a problem for a host of different reasons.
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Do they have jobs? Honest question because most om mine are out of university/social assistance/whatever and actually "live" in the real world now and have some job.
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On May 27 2017 01:55 opisska wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2017 01:51 Velr wrote:
This is the stuff that hasn't really taken root in europe and boy... I hope it never will. I circle very leftist people (to them i'm kinda conservative/far right) and they have never brought anything up even resembling this bullshit. You are lucky then. I have some friends who will mindlessly copy every bullshit their "progressive" online tumblr friends come up with, sadly. I have already heard a fair share of nonsense about cultural appropriation.
It should be noted that like the 200 internet racists that run around commenting over every sci-fi show and video game that happens to star a black person, the tumblr progressive outrage community is small and loud. That doesn't make them any less of a pain in the ass, but they are not representative of all progressives.
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On May 26 2017 21:49 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2017 21:35 Danglars wrote:On May 26 2017 17:17 Slaughter wrote:On May 26 2017 15:57 Danglars wrote:On May 26 2017 15:34 Slaughter wrote:
At least with Hillary she would have you know actually appointed people to work in the government and made a cabinet with competent people. Not to mention sticking it to the GOP members of congress with her supreme court pick and the ability to veto whatever stupid dumpster fire of ideas the GOP congress shits out. Seriously I don't have as big of problem with conservatism as I do with the utter clowns conservatives choose to represent them in congress. But maybe I should thank them because between them and Trump conservatism will probably lose a looot of respect the next few years since Democrats can't do anything to them that they aren't already doing to themselves. Better some clowns to cause a little havoc than a slick crew that oppose my interests! And hell, you said it buddy, sticking it to the Democrat members with his supreme court pick (RIP Garland). I can't think of a better successor to that suave Obama. Everybody's going so crazy and it's absolutely marvelous. He's doing such ludicrous stuff, but not to be outdone, the media sprinkles in three ridiculous accusations for every one solid. I'm trending below 50% agreement with what Trump does, for sure. But the Dems didn't run a Lieberman type, they gave me an unsatisfactory second choice. I'm having some trouble thinking up a likely Dem candidate I'd actually consider better than Trump for my political views. Political churning, at this point, is vastly preferable to a determined push leftward. I guess that is the difference between you and me. If Trump was the Democratic nominee I would have voted Republican despite the ideological differences. Trump is just that bad and it was obvious from his campaign. The difference between you and me is I think America's institutions, or what's worth preserving that's left of them, are resilient enough to last against one knucklehead. To some extent, the left's screwed the goose by investing too heavily in justifying some very bad shit by demonizing Trump. Bad enough to have partisan hacks leaking at every level of the executive, but particularly in the intelligence agencies? Fuck no. Bad enough for reporters to make up stories, lie by omission, ell deceptive half-truths, abandon standards for source vetting? Hell no. In some useful ways and not really to Trump's credit, he's revealed how entitled D.C. feels to undermine rather than personally oppose. Isn't Fox the one that had to retract a story that tried to deflect away from the Trump dumpster fire? Last I checked the vast majority of stories about Trump have been proven, often by Trumps own twitter tirades.
Then you probably also believe that Comey was denied funding by Trump, Saudi money went into Ivanka Fund, Spicer hid in hedges from reporters, Rosenstein threatened to resign, the AHCA made rape a pre-existing condition, Mnunchin's bank foreclosed for 27 cents, and Trump threatened to invade Mexico. I wonder if the strategy is to keep a continuing stream of fake news and wake up the next morning not remembering all the retractions to keep people tied down pointing it out.
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On May 27 2017 01:50 KwarK wrote:
Cultural appreciation is very different from cultural appropriation. One is a dominant culture erasing the identity of another, the other is recognizing the cool shit other cultures come up with. Cultural appropriation destroys the memory of a culture, cultural appreciation incorporates it and makes it immortal as a part of the dominant culture.
White people trying to share awesome foreign food with other white people is appreciation.
as an asian dude, i couldnt give two shits if a white dude opened up an asian restaurant. i mean, it probably won't taste as good as one run by an asian couple and it'll also almost certainly be more pricey but if he can compete, then good for him.
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On May 27 2017 02:08 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2017 21:49 Gorsameth wrote:On May 26 2017 21:35 Danglars wrote:On May 26 2017 17:17 Slaughter wrote:On May 26 2017 15:57 Danglars wrote:On May 26 2017 15:34 Slaughter wrote:
At least with Hillary she would have you know actually appointed people to work in the government and made a cabinet with competent people. Not to mention sticking it to the GOP members of congress with her supreme court pick and the ability to veto whatever stupid dumpster fire of ideas the GOP congress shits out. Seriously I don't have as big of problem with conservatism as I do with the utter clowns conservatives choose to represent them in congress. But maybe I should thank them because between them and Trump conservatism will probably lose a looot of respect the next few years since Democrats can't do anything to them that they aren't already doing to themselves. Better some clowns to cause a little havoc than a slick crew that oppose my interests! And hell, you said it buddy, sticking it to the Democrat members with his supreme court pick (RIP Garland). I can't think of a better successor to that suave Obama. Everybody's going so crazy and it's absolutely marvelous. He's doing such ludicrous stuff, but not to be outdone, the media sprinkles in three ridiculous accusations for every one solid. I'm trending below 50% agreement with what Trump does, for sure. But the Dems didn't run a Lieberman type, they gave me an unsatisfactory second choice. I'm having some trouble thinking up a likely Dem candidate I'd actually consider better than Trump for my political views. Political churning, at this point, is vastly preferable to a determined push leftward. I guess that is the difference between you and me. If Trump was the Democratic nominee I would have voted Republican despite the ideological differences. Trump is just that bad and it was obvious from his campaign. The difference between you and me is I think America's institutions, or what's worth preserving that's left of them, are resilient enough to last against one knucklehead. To some extent, the left's screwed the goose by investing too heavily in justifying some very bad shit by demonizing Trump. Bad enough to have partisan hacks leaking at every level of the executive, but particularly in the intelligence agencies? Fuck no. Bad enough for reporters to make up stories, lie by omission, ell deceptive half-truths, abandon standards for source vetting? Hell no. In some useful ways and not really to Trump's credit, he's revealed how entitled D.C. feels to undermine rather than personally oppose. Isn't Fox the one that had to retract a story that tried to deflect away from the Trump dumpster fire? Last I checked the vast majority of stories about Trump have been proven, often by Trumps own twitter tirades. Then you probably also believe that Comey was denied funding by Trump, Saudi money went into Ivanka Fund, Spicer hid in hedges from reporters, Rosenstein threatened to resign, the AHCA made rape a pre-existing condition, Mnunchin's bank foreclosed for 27 cents, and Trump threatened to invade Mexico. I wonder if the strategy is to keep a continuing stream of fake news and wake up the next morning not remembering all the retractions to keep people tied down pointing it out.
several of those definitely happened, a couple are very likely, a couple are mostly true, and the only one that i'm pretty sure is fake is invading mexico.
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I can confirm from personal experience that Mnunchin's bank is/was one of the worst. There is almost nothing that would surprise me about that bank.
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On May 27 2017 01:54 Mohdoo wrote:This test failing would be a really, really bad thing.
Unless failure is an excuse needed for preemptive strike. Dun...dun....dunnnnn
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On May 27 2017 02:08 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2017 21:49 Gorsameth wrote:On May 26 2017 21:35 Danglars wrote:On May 26 2017 17:17 Slaughter wrote:On May 26 2017 15:57 Danglars wrote:On May 26 2017 15:34 Slaughter wrote:
At least with Hillary she would have you know actually appointed people to work in the government and made a cabinet with competent people. Not to mention sticking it to the GOP members of congress with her supreme court pick and the ability to veto whatever stupid dumpster fire of ideas the GOP congress shits out. Seriously I don't have as big of problem with conservatism as I do with the utter clowns conservatives choose to represent them in congress. But maybe I should thank them because between them and Trump conservatism will probably lose a looot of respect the next few years since Democrats can't do anything to them that they aren't already doing to themselves. Better some clowns to cause a little havoc than a slick crew that oppose my interests! And hell, you said it buddy, sticking it to the Democrat members with his supreme court pick (RIP Garland). I can't think of a better successor to that suave Obama. Everybody's going so crazy and it's absolutely marvelous. He's doing such ludicrous stuff, but not to be outdone, the media sprinkles in three ridiculous accusations for every one solid. I'm trending below 50% agreement with what Trump does, for sure. But the Dems didn't run a Lieberman type, they gave me an unsatisfactory second choice. I'm having some trouble thinking up a likely Dem candidate I'd actually consider better than Trump for my political views. Political churning, at this point, is vastly preferable to a determined push leftward. I guess that is the difference between you and me. If Trump was the Democratic nominee I would have voted Republican despite the ideological differences. Trump is just that bad and it was obvious from his campaign. The difference between you and me is I think America's institutions, or what's worth preserving that's left of them, are resilient enough to last against one knucklehead. To some extent, the left's screwed the goose by investing too heavily in justifying some very bad shit by demonizing Trump. Bad enough to have partisan hacks leaking at every level of the executive, but particularly in the intelligence agencies? Fuck no. Bad enough for reporters to make up stories, lie by omission, ell deceptive half-truths, abandon standards for source vetting? Hell no. In some useful ways and not really to Trump's credit, he's revealed how entitled D.C. feels to undermine rather than personally oppose. Isn't Fox the one that had to retract a story that tried to deflect away from the Trump dumpster fire? Last I checked the vast majority of stories about Trump have been proven, often by Trumps own twitter tirades. Then you probably also believe that Comey was denied funding by Trump, Saudi money went into Ivanka Fund, Spicer hid in hedges from reporters, Rosenstein threatened to resign, the AHCA made rape a pre-existing condition, Mnunchin's bank foreclosed for 27 cents, and Trump threatened to invade Mexico. I wonder if the strategy is to keep a continuing stream of fake news and wake up the next morning not remembering all the retractions to keep people tied down pointing it out.
A bunch of those are true...?
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On May 27 2017 02:16 Plansix wrote:
I can confirm from personal experience that Mnunchin's bank is/was one of the worst. There is almost nothing that would surprise me about that bank.
see, id even give that one a mostly true because while mnuchin was head of indymac, he didn't personally dick over an old lady for 27 cents, though otoh the rabid profitseeking that led to that was almost certainly set by management.
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On May 27 2017 01:50 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2017 01:46 On_Slaught wrote:Why would they announce this? What if they miss? Because they need to announce to other nations that they will be shooting at something that appears on radar to be a short range ICBM.
Then tell them. No need to tell the AP. We do missle tests all the time and they aren't public.
There are some clenched buttcheecks at Raytheon that's for sure.
Edit: took out obvious error.
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On May 27 2017 01:04 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2017 00:58 Tachion wrote:On May 27 2017 00:46 Mohdoo wrote:I thought I'd share a local cultural issue my area is struggling with right now. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/fiLUFcu.png) There's an effort right now in Portland to shame any businesses that are operated by a person belonging to a culture/race other than the type of food they are selling. They essentially believe that when a white person opens a Mexican restaurant, they are hijacking Mexican culture and exploiting it in a way that perpetuates subjugation of minorities. 2 women who opened a food cart were shamed into closing because they had talked about how they stole the recipes from people they met in mexico. Now, this is beyond ridiculous to me. This is like some sort of bizarre, exaggerated version of affirmative action. This is like putting a cap on the number of white people admitted into a university, rather than giving minorities an extra chance at admittance. Link: https://pdx.eater.com/2017/5/22/15677760/portland-kooks-burrito-cultural-appropriationI've had some pretty extensive discussions with people on Facebook, and it really seems to mostly boil down to the fact that minorities have had a long history of exploitation and we need to let them have their own culture. We need to allow them to utilize their history and recipes and whatnot instead of going into the same business. Since Mexicans already struggle to get business loans, a white person deciding to open a Mexican restaurant makes the existing difficulty of being a Mexican business owner even worse. However, people from Mexico historically being treated worse than people from France doesn’t mean it is suddenly worse to open a Mexican restaurant than a French restaurant. If I lived in south America for a few years, moved back here, and started a restaurant based on the food I learned about, that is clearly ethical. And I wouldn’t say someone should have to spend some years in a country to earn the right to cook meals from that culture. The fact that minorities have a harder time securing business loans does not change the underlying ethics of cultural exchange. Especially for something as dynamic and fluid as recipes. I am very sad to see such misguided angst. At the end of the day, this is an extremely ineffective, hostile, polarizing method of dealing with racial inequality. This kind of behavior makes me increasingly skeptical of this wing of my party. This isn't even effective. It is just an expression of anger. The left's version of the far right. Instead of racism they have...well...I guess this is just racism as well isn't it? Nope, sectarian rancor at past or present domination (triggering outrageous reactions) isn't the same as the actual domination.
They are specifically targeting white-owned restaurants with the intention to discriminate against them. They aren't collecting the names of black, mexican, or asian owned businesses that they think are appropriating cultures that are not theirs. This isn't an exercise in stopping cultural appropriation, it's an exercise in finding a way to discriminate against white people on the pretext that it's to empower minorities.
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On May 27 2017 02:12 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2017 02:08 Danglars wrote:On May 26 2017 21:49 Gorsameth wrote:On May 26 2017 21:35 Danglars wrote:On May 26 2017 17:17 Slaughter wrote:On May 26 2017 15:57 Danglars wrote:On May 26 2017 15:34 Slaughter wrote:
At least with Hillary she would have you know actually appointed people to work in the government and made a cabinet with competent people. Not to mention sticking it to the GOP members of congress with her supreme court pick and the ability to veto whatever stupid dumpster fire of ideas the GOP congress shits out. Seriously I don't have as big of problem with conservatism as I do with the utter clowns conservatives choose to represent them in congress. But maybe I should thank them because between them and Trump conservatism will probably lose a looot of respect the next few years since Democrats can't do anything to them that they aren't already doing to themselves. Better some clowns to cause a little havoc than a slick crew that oppose my interests! And hell, you said it buddy, sticking it to the Democrat members with his supreme court pick (RIP Garland). I can't think of a better successor to that suave Obama. Everybody's going so crazy and it's absolutely marvelous. He's doing such ludicrous stuff, but not to be outdone, the media sprinkles in three ridiculous accusations for every one solid. I'm trending below 50% agreement with what Trump does, for sure. But the Dems didn't run a Lieberman type, they gave me an unsatisfactory second choice. I'm having some trouble thinking up a likely Dem candidate I'd actually consider better than Trump for my political views. Political churning, at this point, is vastly preferable to a determined push leftward. I guess that is the difference between you and me. If Trump was the Democratic nominee I would have voted Republican despite the ideological differences. Trump is just that bad and it was obvious from his campaign. The difference between you and me is I think America's institutions, or what's worth preserving that's left of them, are resilient enough to last against one knucklehead. To some extent, the left's screwed the goose by investing too heavily in justifying some very bad shit by demonizing Trump. Bad enough to have partisan hacks leaking at every level of the executive, but particularly in the intelligence agencies? Fuck no. Bad enough for reporters to make up stories, lie by omission, ell deceptive half-truths, abandon standards for source vetting? Hell no. In some useful ways and not really to Trump's credit, he's revealed how entitled D.C. feels to undermine rather than personally oppose. Isn't Fox the one that had to retract a story that tried to deflect away from the Trump dumpster fire? Last I checked the vast majority of stories about Trump have been proven, often by Trumps own twitter tirades. Then you probably also believe that Comey was denied funding by Trump, Saudi money went into Ivanka Fund, Spicer hid in hedges from reporters, Rosenstein threatened to resign, the AHCA made rape a pre-existing condition, Mnunchin's bank foreclosed for 27 cents, and Trump threatened to invade Mexico. I wonder if the strategy is to keep a continuing stream of fake news and wake up the next morning not remembering all the retractions to keep people tied down pointing it out. several of those definitely happened, a couple are very likely, a couple are mostly true, and the only one that i'm pretty sure is fake is invading mexico.
Actually Trump, in a telephone call with the Mexican President, said that if they(Mexico) wouldn't take care of their 'bad hombres' the US would send its military to do it.
Initially denied by both Mexico and the WH it was later confirmed when the WH said it was meant 'light hearted'
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On May 27 2017 02:20 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2017 02:16 Plansix wrote:
I can confirm from personal experience that Mnunchin's bank is/was one of the worst. There is almost nothing that would surprise me about that bank. see, id even give that one a mostly true because while mnuchin was head of indymac, he didn't personally dick over an old lady for 27 cents, though otoh the rabid profitseeking that led to that was almost certainly set by management.
That love to report to share holders of the growth and expansion. And then when the bad reputation caught up with them, they just changed the name and merged the garbage with another bank. But the day to day functions never changed.
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On May 27 2017 02:28 Tachion wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2017 01:04 TheDwf wrote:On May 27 2017 00:58 Tachion wrote:On May 27 2017 00:46 Mohdoo wrote:I thought I'd share a local cultural issue my area is struggling with right now. There's an effort right now in Portland to shame any businesses that are operated by a person belonging to a culture/race other than the type of food they are selling. They essentially believe that when a white person opens a Mexican restaurant, they are hijacking Mexican culture and exploiting it in a way that perpetuates subjugation of minorities. 2 women who opened a food cart were shamed into closing because they had talked about how they stole the recipes from people they met in mexico. Now, this is beyond ridiculous to me. This is like some sort of bizarre, exaggerated version of affirmative action. This is like putting a cap on the number of white people admitted into a university, rather than giving minorities an extra chance at admittance. Link: https://pdx.eater.com/2017/5/22/15677760/portland-kooks-burrito-cultural-appropriationI've had some pretty extensive discussions with people on Facebook, and it really seems to mostly boil down to the fact that minorities have had a long history of exploitation and we need to let them have their own culture. We need to allow them to utilize their history and recipes and whatnot instead of going into the same business. Since Mexicans already struggle to get business loans, a white person deciding to open a Mexican restaurant makes the existing difficulty of being a Mexican business owner even worse. However, people from Mexico historically being treated worse than people from France doesn’t mean it is suddenly worse to open a Mexican restaurant than a French restaurant. If I lived in south America for a few years, moved back here, and started a restaurant based on the food I learned about, that is clearly ethical. And I wouldn’t say someone should have to spend some years in a country to earn the right to cook meals from that culture. The fact that minorities have a harder time securing business loans does not change the underlying ethics of cultural exchange. Especially for something as dynamic and fluid as recipes. I am very sad to see such misguided angst. At the end of the day, this is an extremely ineffective, hostile, polarizing method of dealing with racial inequality. This kind of behavior makes me increasingly skeptical of this wing of my party. This isn't even effective. It is just an expression of anger. The left's version of the far right. Instead of racism they have...well...I guess this is just racism as well isn't it? Nope, sectarian rancor at past or present domination (triggering outrageous reactions) isn't the same as the actual domination. They are specifically targeting white-owned restaurants with the intention to discriminate against them. They aren't collecting the names of black, mexican, or asian owned businesses that they think are appropriating cultures that are not theirs. This isn't an exercise in stopping cultural appropriation, it's an exercise in finding a way to discriminate against white people on the pretext that it's to empower minorities.
I don't even know how you can argue opening a restaurant is any kind of cultural appropriation. Sharing a cuisine with people is only a celebration of that cuisine and culture. That's only hate-fueled discrimination.
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On May 27 2017 00:31 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2017 00:12 Plansix wrote:
The numbers are coming out of the Montana race and it looks like conservative super PACs dumped like 6 million into the race the instant it started to look close. Spending by the RNC and DNC looked similar. I can't find an article with exact figures. let this be a lesson on why the dems/left unilaterally disarming wrt PAC's may be a poor idea.though still, quist was a pretty long shot to win. he certainly seemed like a good candidate in many ways though.
I know you know this isn't true which is why you put "may". Democrats could have put more money in if they wanted, part of the problem is that the DNC/Dem Leadership is so universally hated outside of the coasts they are essentially useless, other than leeching money from Democrats in those areas.
Also PAC's are basically fine. Darkmoney superPAC's like Hillary is heading up are a destructive force on democracy no matter who wields them.
On May 27 2017 02:41 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2017 02:28 Tachion wrote:On May 27 2017 01:04 TheDwf wrote:On May 27 2017 00:58 Tachion wrote:On May 27 2017 00:46 Mohdoo wrote:I thought I'd share a local cultural issue my area is struggling with right now. There's an effort right now in Portland to shame any businesses that are operated by a person belonging to a culture/race other than the type of food they are selling. They essentially believe that when a white person opens a Mexican restaurant, they are hijacking Mexican culture and exploiting it in a way that perpetuates subjugation of minorities. 2 women who opened a food cart were shamed into closing because they had talked about how they stole the recipes from people they met in mexico. Now, this is beyond ridiculous to me. This is like some sort of bizarre, exaggerated version of affirmative action. This is like putting a cap on the number of white people admitted into a university, rather than giving minorities an extra chance at admittance. Link: https://pdx.eater.com/2017/5/22/15677760/portland-kooks-burrito-cultural-appropriationI've had some pretty extensive discussions with people on Facebook, and it really seems to mostly boil down to the fact that minorities have had a long history of exploitation and we need to let them have their own culture. We need to allow them to utilize their history and recipes and whatnot instead of going into the same business. Since Mexicans already struggle to get business loans, a white person deciding to open a Mexican restaurant makes the existing difficulty of being a Mexican business owner even worse. However, people from Mexico historically being treated worse than people from France doesn’t mean it is suddenly worse to open a Mexican restaurant than a French restaurant. If I lived in south America for a few years, moved back here, and started a restaurant based on the food I learned about, that is clearly ethical. And I wouldn’t say someone should have to spend some years in a country to earn the right to cook meals from that culture. The fact that minorities have a harder time securing business loans does not change the underlying ethics of cultural exchange. Especially for something as dynamic and fluid as recipes. I am very sad to see such misguided angst. At the end of the day, this is an extremely ineffective, hostile, polarizing method of dealing with racial inequality. This kind of behavior makes me increasingly skeptical of this wing of my party. This isn't even effective. It is just an expression of anger. The left's version of the far right. Instead of racism they have...well...I guess this is just racism as well isn't it? Nope, sectarian rancor at past or present domination (triggering outrageous reactions) isn't the same as the actual domination. They are specifically targeting white-owned restaurants with the intention to discriminate against them. They aren't collecting the names of black, mexican, or asian owned businesses that they think are appropriating cultures that are not theirs. This isn't an exercise in stopping cultural appropriation, it's an exercise in finding a way to discriminate against white people on the pretext that it's to empower minorities. I don't even know how you can argue opening a restaurant is any kind of cultural appropriation. Sharing a cuisine with people is only a celebration of that cuisine and culture. That's only hate-fueled discrimination.
No they are taking a culture that was likely discriminated against and abused, appropriating their food culture for profit, and often do a terrible job of recognizing the culture beyond "let's sell Mexican food, people expect Mariachi music right?"
It's low on my list personally, but to hear people cry of "hate-fueled discrimination" against white people, that's just hilarious.
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