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Nevuk
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Doodsmack
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ticklishmusic
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On May 27 2017 00:12 Plansix wrote: The numbers are coming out of the Montana race and it looks like conservative super PACs dumped like 6 million into the race the instant it started to look close. Spending by the RNC and DNC looked similar. I can't find an article with exact figures. let this be a lesson on why the dems/left unilaterally disarming wrt PAC's may be a poor idea. though still, quist was a pretty long shot to win. he certainly seemed like a good candidate in many ways though. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
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LegalLord
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 27 2017 00:31 ticklishmusic wrote: let this be a lesson on why the dems/left unilaterally disarming wrt PAC's may be a poor idea. The seat was such a long shot that NPR was saying anything under a 10 point spread is bad for the Republicans. To 6 points is pretty reasonable. But the amount of money that was dumped in at the end was staggering. I wish someone would go over the data of when the turn happened. Because it is really hard to track ad spending in real time, it is harder to play catch up. On May 27 2017 00:38 LegalLord wrote: Trump is constantly attacked with all the precision of a rabid dog. While he is genuinely terrible the Dems do a pretty bad job of showing it. I suppose they can take pride in a few "closer than it should have been" losses over the special elections. Trump wasn’t on the ballot. This election hinged on healthcare and that is about it. The NPR reporter at the election said that was all the voters were really focused on. | ||
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Mohdoo
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/fiLUFcu.png) There's an effort right now in Portland to shame any businesses that are operated by a person belonging to a culture/race other than the type of food they are selling. They essentially believe that when a white person opens a Mexican restaurant, they are hijacking Mexican culture and exploiting it in a way that perpetuates subjugation of minorities. 2 women who opened a food cart were shamed into closing because they had talked about how they stole the recipes from people they met in mexico. Now, this is beyond ridiculous to me. This is like some sort of bizarre, exaggerated version of affirmative action. This is like putting a cap on the number of white people admitted into a university, rather than giving minorities an extra chance at admittance. Link: https://pdx.eater.com/2017/5/22/15677760/portland-kooks-burrito-cultural-appropriation I've had some pretty extensive discussions with people on Facebook, and it really seems to mostly boil down to the fact that minorities have had a long history of exploitation and we need to let them have their own culture. We need to allow them to utilize their history and recipes and whatnot instead of going into the same business. Since Mexicans already struggle to get business loans, a white person deciding to open a Mexican restaurant makes the existing difficulty of being a Mexican business owner even worse. However, people from Mexico historically being treated worse than people from France doesn’t mean it is suddenly worse to open a Mexican restaurant than a French restaurant. If I lived in south America for a few years, moved back here, and started a restaurant based on the food I learned about, that is clearly ethical. And I wouldn’t say someone should have to spend some years in a country to earn the right to cook meals from that culture. The fact that minorities have a harder time securing business loans does not change the underlying ethics of cultural exchange. Especially for something as dynamic and fluid as recipes. I am very sad to see such misguided angst. At the end of the day, this is an extremely ineffective, hostile, polarizing method of dealing with racial inequality. This kind of behavior makes me increasingly skeptical of this wing of my party. This isn't even effective. It is just an expression of anger. | ||
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Plansix
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TheYango
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On May 27 2017 00:46 Mohdoo wrote: There's an effort right now in Portland to shame any businesses that are operated by a person belonging to a culture/race other than the type of food they are selling. So what happens when a Korean person with the last name Lee opens a Chinese restaurant or vice versa and white people can't tell the difference? | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15690 Posts
On May 27 2017 00:51 TheYango wrote: So what happens when a Korean person with the last name Lee opens a Chinese restaurant or vice versa and white people can't tell the difference? That point being brought up tends to highlight the fact that these people are angry at white people more than they are sympathetic to minorities. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
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opisska
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On May 27 2017 00:50 Plansix wrote: When you dig into that, it is going to be shitty white liberals attempting to shame other white people so they can say they are the best liberals and the most progressive. I think it's actually almost opposite to that - it's people who are actually deeply racist but would like to fit in with the progressive society, so they kinda combine the worst from both worlds. But it definitely shouldn't come from peoples who are actual "liberals" unless the Americans have managed to twist that term beyond any recognition. | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
On May 27 2017 00:46 Mohdoo wrote: I thought I'd share a local cultural issue my area is struggling with right now. There's an effort right now in Portland to shame any businesses that are operated by a person belonging to a culture/race other than the type of food they are selling. They essentially believe that when a white person opens a Mexican restaurant, they are hijacking Mexican culture and exploiting it in a way that perpetuates subjugation of minorities. 2 women who opened a food cart were shamed into closing because they had talked about how they stole the recipes from people they met in mexico. Now, this is beyond ridiculous to me. This is like some sort of bizarre, exaggerated version of affirmative action. This is like putting a cap on the number of white people admitted into a university, rather than giving minorities an extra chance at admittance. Link: https://pdx.eater.com/2017/5/22/15677760/portland-kooks-burrito-cultural-appropriation I've had some pretty extensive discussions with people on Facebook, and it really seems to mostly boil down to the fact that minorities have had a long history of exploitation and we need to let them have their own culture. We need to allow them to utilize their history and recipes and whatnot instead of going into the same business. Since Mexicans already struggle to get business loans, a white person deciding to open a Mexican restaurant makes the existing difficulty of being a Mexican business owner even worse. However, people from Mexico historically being treated worse than people from France doesn’t mean it is suddenly worse to open a Mexican restaurant than a French restaurant. If I lived in south America for a few years, moved back here, and started a restaurant based on the food I learned about, that is clearly ethical. And I wouldn’t say someone should have to spend some years in a country to earn the right to cook meals from that culture. The fact that minorities have a harder time securing business loans does not change the underlying ethics of cultural exchange. Especially for something as dynamic and fluid as recipes. I am very sad to see such misguided angst. At the end of the day, this is an extremely ineffective, hostile, polarizing method of dealing with racial inequality. This kind of behavior makes me increasingly skeptical of this wing of my party. This isn't even effective. It is just an expression of anger. The left's version of the far right. Instead of racism they have...well...I guess this is just racism as well isn't it? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 27 2017 00:52 Mohdoo wrote: That point being brought up tends to highlight the fact that these people are angry at white people more than they are sympathetic to minorities. It isn’t even anger, it is performance. They are just acting out what they believe good progressives should do to prevent some level of wrongdoing on behalf of minority groups they are not part of. There is no way this good doc was created by a perfectly mixed group of ethnic groups that could each address the different cultures they claim are being abused. It is completely self serving. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15690 Posts
On May 27 2017 00:57 opisska wrote: I think it's actually almost opposite to that - it's people who are actually deeply racist but would like to fit in with the progressive society, so they kinda combine the worst from both worlds. But it definitely shouldn't come from peoples who are actual "liberals" unless the Americans have managed to twist that term beyond any recognition. The people arguing in favor of these shaming campaigns claim they are protecting the well-being of minorities. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 27 2017 00:57 opisska wrote: I think it's actually almost opposite to that - it's people who are actually deeply racist but would like to fit in with the progressive society, so they kinda combine the worst from both worlds. But it definitely shouldn't come from peoples who are actual "liberals" unless the Americans have managed to twist that term beyond any recognition. This is the same group of people that protests a homeless shelter being opened in their community because they think the land it is going to be put on should be turned into a community space. | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32740 Posts
Ask a Korean guy myself, when I see non-Koreans eating my country's food, I applaud their curiosity in my culture and think it's great when they try out new recipes and talk about how great kimchi is. It's a misguided attempt at being respectful, and I doubt many of the people they claim they are defending really want this. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On May 26 2017 21:48 ChristianS wrote: I asked this the other day, but have there been any instances of major publications outright fabricating a story (i.e. making up sources entirely)? I understand them reporting a story you don't think is newsworthy, or drawing conclusions from a set of facts that you don't think are warranted, and I'm sure there's been a couple times somebody didn't vet their sources right and had to issue some retractions, but are there any cases of outright making up stories? This seems to me the critical ambiguity of "fake news." The term seems to imply that the news is made up, but most of the time I hear conservatives using it about stories that appear to be factually correct, and I assume the term is justified by saying the story isn't fake on its own, but it's not real news ("BREAKING: the sky is blue" would be true, but not news, so it's fake news). But then a lot of the mileage is from riding that ambiguity, so people hearing it think "oh that story is just made up" and conservatives don't exactly try very hard to clarify that. In the sense that Mensch might've had a source for her claim that Putin had Andrew Breitbart murdered. Or I could email CNN and claim Duterte offered bribes to Trump, and they could write Explosive Revelations Emerge Phillipine Influence and have a source. Because they do have a source. When your source credibility is in such deep trouble, you up the need for corroboration or you turn into classier Alex Jones with cooler looking TV programs, websites, and reach. I've been over before in this forum about how I use the term, and the "seems to imply" is either naïveté or swallowing too much of your own propaganda. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On May 27 2017 00:58 Tachion wrote: The left's version of the far right. Instead of racism they have...well...I guess this is just racism as well isn't it? Nope, sectarian rancor at past or present domination (triggering outrageous reactions) isn't the same as the actual domination. | ||
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