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ZeaL.
United States5955 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
It’s always the 1950’s in Mississippi, the national leader in lynching. I have to say that he is providing solid evidence that those monuments should have come down decades ago. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
Stick em in a museum where they belong. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
Authorities are investigating whether the stabbing death of a black college student who was visiting the University of Maryland during graduation weekend was a hate crime. The chief of the university police said Sunday the suspect, a white University of Maryland student, is a member of a racist Facebook group. An FBI official said the federal agency will assist with the investigation. The victim, identified by police Sunday as Richard Collins III, was due to graduate from Bowie State University this week. The Calvert County man had completed ROTC in college and was commissioned a second lieutenant in the Army on Thursday, according to school officials and a family spokesman. He was 23. Police have charged Sean Christoper Urbanski, 22, of Severna Park with first-degree murder in the attack. He was being held without bail. His family did not respond Sunday to a request for comment, and online court records did not list an attorney. Home grown terrorists is our biggest threat now. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 22 2017 22:37 Gahlo wrote: Who would think this was a good idea to tweet? Stick em in a museum where they belong. Mississippi was the last hold out after the Jim Crow laws were removed and desegregation took place. Many of the photos of lynchings and cross burning you see in history books are from Mississippi. It only stopped after a huge economic downturn caused by the open racial violence and intimidation. All evidence shows they have not made huge leaps forward since then. And they still elect folks like this, who maybe keep their racism in check to get elected. But let it all hang out when pushed. On May 22 2017 22:52 ShoCkeyy wrote: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/bs-md-umd-stabbing-arrest-20170521-story.html Home grown terrorists is our biggest threat now. The FBI has been saying they have been a growing threat for years. I would not be surprised if we see a big rise in these sorts of crimes as extremists see this is the time to “take back their country”. | ||
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farvacola
United States18876 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 22 2017 22:55 farvacola wrote: I'll admit that I was not at all upset when I received denial letters from all the judges I applied to in Mississippi If I had to guess which states had the most underfunded Courts, it would be New Hampshire and Mississippi in that order. | ||
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chocorush
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ShoCkeyy
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CatharsisUT
United States487 Posts
On May 22 2017 23:27 ShoCkeyy wrote: Having a few doctor friends, most of them just want to pay off their student loans, and get paid for spending most of their life in a hospital. It sucks becoming a doctor, making 90k a year starting, working 80 hours non stop, with 3 - 4 day break in between, but having to pay $3-6k + interest every month for loans, then rent, car, etc... It's pretty crazy to think they spent a third of their life in school, to go into a field where they nearly have no time for themselves, or social life, where they see death almost everyday. It's not really fair to quote residency salaries. That's just a few years, then most specialties are going to jump into the 2-300k range (some specialties much higher, but they generally have fellowship or other programs before you start earning). | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 22 2017 23:27 ShoCkeyy wrote: Having a few doctor friends, most of them just want to pay off their student loans, and get paid for spending most of their life in a hospital. It sucks becoming a doctor, making 90k a year starting, working 80 hours non stop, with 3 - 4 day break in between, but having to pay $3-6k + interest every month for loans, then rent, car, etc... It's pretty crazy to think they spent a third of their life in school, to go into a field where they nearly have no time for themselves, or social life, where they see death almost everyday. The price tag and training for become a nurse is equally mind blowing. And the working conditions are not much better. Long hours, lots of responsibility and having a lot of jobs pushed down on you so Doctors can focus on things that bill for higher amounts. | ||
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Trainrunnef
United States601 Posts
On May 22 2017 23:36 Plansix wrote: The price tag and training for become a nurse is equally mind blowing. And the working conditions are not much better. Long hours, lots of responsibility and having a lot of jobs pushed down on you so Doctors can focus on things that bill for higher amounts. As a husband of a nurse I can wholeheartedly agree with the above, not to mention the fact that working conditions are likely worse due to the increased patient contact. chances to screw up increase tenfold, and the patients themselves (especially in certain intensive care units) are frequently combative and purposely attempt to hurt the nurses on a regular basis (usually due to being delirious on meds or some sort of dementia). The best difference is the unionization of nurses. Doctors should really unionize tbh, not sure why they haven't already. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
On May 22 2017 23:33 CatharsisUT wrote: It's not really fair to quote residency salaries. That's just a few years, then most specialties are going to jump into the 2-300k range (some specialties much higher, but they generally have fellowship or other programs before you start earning). The best program I know for doctors requires you to work at a public hospital for 10 years, then your school loan is wiped clean, but the whole time, you still have to pay for the loan. In the end it's worth it if you like public facing. The specialties however are different, and that's largely because of how little those specific doctor exists. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
Given there are many skilled professional jobs such as lawyering that require similar investment, I don't think the amount physician compensation is really a issue, though restructuring compensation to reduce unnecessary tests, procedures -> fraud and to align with value based or preventative care is certainly something that should be pushed for more. Doing a real rough estimate, but call it (900k physicians * 200k salary) + 15% benefits is $200b. That's not much against several trillions of spend, and a paycut would be just a fraction of this fraction . Plus, lowering comp for physicians when we already have a supply issue would be pretty ridiculous. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 22 2017 23:50 ticklishmusic wrote: In somewhat simplified economical terms, it seems reasonable that someone would/could make like 200k+ if they spent most of their 20's (and likely part of their 30's) in training and taking on massive debt to get a job that has crazy hours and responsibilities. Given there are many skilled professional jobs such as lawyering that require similar investment, I don't think the amount physician compensation is really a issue, though restructuring compensation to reduce unnecessary tests, procedures -> fraud and to align with value based or preventative care is certainly something that should be pushed for more. Doing a real rough estimate, but call it (900k physicians * 200k salary) + 15% benefits is $200b. That's not much against several trillions of spend. Plus, lowering comp for physicians when we already have a supply issue would be pretty ridiculous. The concept of 150K of debt to make money later seems sensible only if we assume: - The economy remains awesome and they can hold a job - They do not get sick - They don’t want to change job because the industry is a nightmare - Literally nothing else happens to them in 10 years to derail this plan. So it is a perfectly fine system for someplace that isn’t planet earth and the doctors/lawyers/teachers/nurses are not humans. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28923 Posts
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ZerOCoolSC2
9077 Posts
Architects work until they're in their 80's and 90's because they don't start earning real money until about 50. And if they run their own practice, you've got insurance, fees, staff, etc to pay off. So for a long time, the money won't be there and you have to do it because you're "passionate" or too stubborn to move to greener pastures. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Oh and don't bother with the whole "USA has the best doctors in the world". It is wholly unsubstantiated and it must take a special kind of mind to beleive that other countries has worse training and standards than the US for their doctors and nurses. In fact I am quite curious how such a phrase came into being as I see it repeated many times in short order. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
plus, a US medical degree is arguably generally considered more valuable than one from another country. | ||
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