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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14164 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-22 02:24:03
May 22 2017 02:23 GMT
#152021
It's not exactly fair when you build the city around the church. And good luck making the tax code work around churches. Just forgetting the constitutional nightmare that is appraising the land and the facility the "church" is on. Let's see how the IRS is suppose to treat what exactly they do in a church. Record tithes? The costs to run services are a charitable action?

Taxing churches is a Pandoras box that should stay closed.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
May 22 2017 02:33 GMT
#152022
I personally don't mind the soft subsidy of not taxing religious organizations. I do find it distasteful that many of them operate as a form of business but that's probably best solved by limiting their allowed activities under tax-exempt status than by taxing them.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
May 22 2017 02:35 GMT
#152023
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
May 22 2017 02:40 GMT
#152024
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-22 02:51:04
May 22 2017 02:47 GMT
#152025
This admin stinks to high heaven.





Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 22 2017 03:00 GMT
#152026
Prepare for Israel, where they will try to flatter him an pay his children money to get his favor. He is going to love going over seas, since everyone will praise him and try to get things from him.
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Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
May 22 2017 03:46 GMT
#152027
On May 22 2017 12:00 Plansix wrote:
Prepare for Israel, where they will try to flatter him an pay his children money to get his favor. He is going to love going over seas, since everyone will praise him and try to get things from him.

Consider the ROI on sucking up to Trump as a foreign leader. You could probably get more than a million bucks back per line of praise.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
May 22 2017 03:57 GMT
#152028
On May 22 2017 12:46 Amui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2017 12:00 Plansix wrote:
Prepare for Israel, where they will try to flatter him an pay his children money to get his favor. He is going to love going over seas, since everyone will praise him and try to get things from him.

Consider the ROI on sucking up to Trump as a foreign leader. You could probably get more than a million bucks back per line of praise.

Kind of depends on the country. Those who have political costs to pay for sucking up to an egomaniac will probably not so easily do this.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 22 2017 04:31 GMT
#152029
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
May 22 2017 06:06 GMT
#152030
On May 22 2017 13:31 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/866488541651632129



They found their boogeyman to paint the democratic leadership as villainous murderers. I guess just being pizza eating child molesters wasn't going far enough.
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States5013 Posts
May 22 2017 06:29 GMT
#152031
Isn't the fund just some World Bank thing? Prob a PR stunt.

Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates will donate a combined $100 million to a World Bank fund for women entrepreneurs that was the brainchild of Ivanka Trump.

.....

The World Bank fund, which provides technical help and investment funding for women business owners, differs from the Clinton Foundation in some significant ways. While Ivanka Trump proposed the idea along with German Chancellor Angela Merkel, she is not involved with its operation.


http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/05/21/529417148/saudis-and-the-uae-will-donate-100-million-to-a-fund-inspired-by-ivanka-trump
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
Slydie
Profile Joined August 2013
1992 Posts
May 22 2017 07:36 GMT
#152032
On May 22 2017 12:57 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2017 12:46 Amui wrote:
On May 22 2017 12:00 Plansix wrote:
Prepare for Israel, where they will try to flatter him an pay his children money to get his favor. He is going to love going over seas, since everyone will praise him and try to get things from him.

Consider the ROI on sucking up to Trump as a foreign leader. You could probably get more than a million bucks back per line of praise.

Kind of depends on the country. Those who have political costs to pay for sucking up to an egomaniac will probably not so easily do this.


Yes. Thorbjørn Jagland, the Norwegian ex-prime minister who got Obama the Nobel peace price lost a TON of respect, nationally and internationally, and eventually his job. If an actual politician did something similar, it could be a disaster.

Every country in the whole world wants something from the US, though, so all ways to exploit Trump's ego and inexperience will be explored by someone...
Buff the siegetank
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
May 22 2017 08:39 GMT
#152033
On May 22 2017 11:47 Doodsmack wrote:
This admin stinks to high heaven.

https://twitter.com/GeorgeTakei/status/866298603182194688

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/866302244957958148

https://twitter.com/20committee/status/866314135629385728


But jobs!!! He created jooooobs!
450 jobs!!!
In Saudi Arabia... as most of the stuff will be manfactured there.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18394 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-22 08:50:06
May 22 2017 08:49 GMT
#152034
On May 22 2017 09:07 crms wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2017 08:32 biology]major wrote:
Capitalism is also the reason why the US has the best doctors in the world and the best R/D for all advances in healthcare. Gotta take the good with the bad

That's highly debatable. I know the US is the worst developed nation to have a baby with maternal death rates worse than some 3rd world countries. And while we do have some stellar healthcare professionals, what's it matter if the vast majority of the citizens can't get that level of treatment? As a middle class person, I don't really care that the USA has some of the best doctors if myself and nobody I know can utilize their services. The level of care for the average person is simply better in nearly any developed country. We should be analyzing the system based on the accessibility of most, not outliers.

Not only that, but where the absolute superstar care is located is absolutely irrelevant. It's not available to anybody except the ultrarich, and they will happily travel halfway across the globe for that care.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11941 Posts
May 22 2017 08:55 GMT
#152035
On May 22 2017 17:49 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2017 09:07 crms wrote:
On May 22 2017 08:32 biology]major wrote:
Capitalism is also the reason why the US has the best doctors in the world and the best R/D for all advances in healthcare. Gotta take the good with the bad

That's highly debatable. I know the US is the worst developed nation to have a baby with maternal death rates worse than some 3rd world countries. And while we do have some stellar healthcare professionals, what's it matter if the vast majority of the citizens can't get that level of treatment? As a middle class person, I don't really care that the USA has some of the best doctors if myself and nobody I know can utilize their services. The level of care for the average person is simply better in nearly any developed country. We should be analyzing the system based on the accessibility of most, not outliers.

Not only that, but where the absolute superstar care is located is absolutely irrelevant. It's not available to anybody except the ultrarich, and they will happily travel halfway across the globe for that care.


It is kind of good for the nation as it provides some tax dollars on the procedures for the ultra rich, and keeps the ultra rich in the country where they spend some more money that at least partially ends up in the local economy.

But that should definitively not be the main goal of a healthcare system for the grand population. That should take a look at median results, or total result stats, or something like that. All of which are things in which the US lags behind other first world countries, while paying a lot more.
Slydie
Profile Joined August 2013
1992 Posts
May 22 2017 09:12 GMT
#152036
On May 22 2017 17:55 Simberto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2017 17:49 Acrofales wrote:
On May 22 2017 09:07 crms wrote:
On May 22 2017 08:32 biology]major wrote:
Capitalism is also the reason why the US has the best doctors in the world and the best R/D for all advances in healthcare. Gotta take the good with the bad

That's highly debatable. I know the US is the worst developed nation to have a baby with maternal death rates worse than some 3rd world countries. And while we do have some stellar healthcare professionals, what's it matter if the vast majority of the citizens can't get that level of treatment? As a middle class person, I don't really care that the USA has some of the best doctors if myself and nobody I know can utilize their services. The level of care for the average person is simply better in nearly any developed country. We should be analyzing the system based on the accessibility of most, not outliers.

Not only that, but where the absolute superstar care is located is absolutely irrelevant. It's not available to anybody except the ultrarich, and they will happily travel halfway across the globe for that care.


It is kind of good for the nation as it provides some tax dollars on the procedures for the ultra rich, and keeps the ultra rich in the country where they spend some more money that at least partially ends up in the local economy.

But that should definitively not be the main goal of a healthcare system for the grand population. That should take a look at median results, or total result stats, or something like that. All of which are things in which the US lags behind other first world countries, while paying a lot more.


I believe there is no easy way out of your mess, especially since US citezens believe they NEED health insurance, and can not rely on free public service. They even buy insurance when they move to Europe. Maybe something like this:

-Make it very easy to swich health-insurance
-Slowly start taxing health insurance.
-Slowly build up free healthcare.
-Make the government the main buyer of pharmaseuticals, negotiating prices nationwide, figthing to keep them LOW.
-Slowly introduce a state "health insurance" that covers all necessary treatment for all citezens.
-Slowly scale back the insurance industry.
-Make it difficult for private hospitals to waste money on administration and over-staffing and over-testing through regulations.
Buff the siegetank
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12132 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-22 09:21:14
May 22 2017 09:19 GMT
#152037
On May 22 2017 18:12 Slydie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2017 17:55 Simberto wrote:
On May 22 2017 17:49 Acrofales wrote:
On May 22 2017 09:07 crms wrote:
On May 22 2017 08:32 biology]major wrote:
Capitalism is also the reason why the US has the best doctors in the world and the best R/D for all advances in healthcare. Gotta take the good with the bad

That's highly debatable. I know the US is the worst developed nation to have a baby with maternal death rates worse than some 3rd world countries. And while we do have some stellar healthcare professionals, what's it matter if the vast majority of the citizens can't get that level of treatment? As a middle class person, I don't really care that the USA has some of the best doctors if myself and nobody I know can utilize their services. The level of care for the average person is simply better in nearly any developed country. We should be analyzing the system based on the accessibility of most, not outliers.

Not only that, but where the absolute superstar care is located is absolutely irrelevant. It's not available to anybody except the ultrarich, and they will happily travel halfway across the globe for that care.


It is kind of good for the nation as it provides some tax dollars on the procedures for the ultra rich, and keeps the ultra rich in the country where they spend some more money that at least partially ends up in the local economy.

But that should definitively not be the main goal of a healthcare system for the grand population. That should take a look at median results, or total result stats, or something like that. All of which are things in which the US lags behind other first world countries, while paying a lot more.


I believe there is no easy way out of your mess, especially since US citezens believe they NEED health insurance, and can not rely on free public service. They even buy insurance when they move to Europe. Maybe something like this:

-Make it very easy to swich health-insurance
-Slowly start taxing health insurance.
-Slowly build up free healthcare.
-Make the government the main buyer of pharmaseuticals, negotiating prices nationwide, figthing to keep them LOW.
-Slowly introduce a state "health insurance" that covers all necessary treatment for all citezens.
-Slowly scale back the insurance industry.
-Make it difficult for private hospitals to waste money on administration and over-staffing and over-testing through regulations.


Something to include would be medical litigation somewhere in that list. 2.6% of the costs can likely be reduced to below 1% by changing the sums awarded and making the state pay so you remove insurance for it. It is also one of the major drivers of the over-testing.
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2656 Posts
May 22 2017 10:48 GMT
#152038
On May 22 2017 13:31 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/866488541651632129

That is exactly the point I was trying to make on the last page about Hannity. He's not letting this crap go.
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2656 Posts
May 22 2017 10:52 GMT
#152039
On May 22 2017 11:35 Doodsmack wrote:
https://twitter.com/20committee/status/866439592014229504

Interesting to note that Schindler has totally toned down his support of Mensch and Taylor over the last few days. I think he's recognizing that they're both frauds.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
May 22 2017 11:34 GMT
#152040
I wonder if Fox News showed Trump dancing with Arabs (though I'm actually impressed he made an effort to fit in to be honest)

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