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Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10668 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-15 18:00:45
May 15 2017 17:27 GMT
#150561
If you voted trump and still would, yes, your the very definition of stupid partisanship.

I can get behind plenty of conservative (not religious conservative) positions because i deal with hardcore conservatives everyday (which tend to be a bit more religious here too).
I don't agree with them but i see where they are comming from and thanks to my job i see the stupidity of the left daily.

The thing is: If you now still stand behind trump, you better get paid by him or your just dillusional and want your country to go down.

Ffs "not voting for someone like trump" is actually the best argument "the establishment" had against the hard right since... i don't know, i'm 34 and don't remember such a shitshow in any modern/firstworld country.
Berlusconi looked better than Trump when he was at his worst.
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
May 15 2017 17:35 GMT
#150562
Stupidity isn't exclusive to Democrats or Republicans, no matter how much one side might try to convince you. But something has to give either way, because partisan politics will sink this country if we don't wise up.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-15 17:58:41
May 15 2017 17:48 GMT
#150563
On May 16 2017 01:31 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2017 09:29 xDaunt wrote:
I'm ready for Trump to launch a full blown inquisition of the administrative state. Part of it must include clearing out the dead wood in his administration. I'm inclined to think that some of the establishment types (like Priebus) are part of the problem. What Trump has in place clearly isn't working for him, so he needs to clear the board and start over. The sooner he commits to this, the better.


Are you saying Trump's agenda would have done better in court with a stronger Bannon and lesser Priebus presence?

Not necessarily. Really what I'm saying is that I don't know. The concern all along was that establishment republicans were going to torpedo Trump and undermine his agenda. For that reason, Priebus wasn't a popular pick for chief of staff among Trump's core supporters. All of that said, I don't think that anyone has a particularly firm grasp on the specific dynamics of the Trump administration. I think that we generally understand that Trump is leaning heavily on his closest advisers (family and long time friends) because he's not sure whom else he can trust. But no one really knows what Bannon is doing, if anything, or Priebus for that matter.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
May 15 2017 17:49 GMT
#150564
By a 2-to-1 ratio, Americans say the health care legislation that was recently passed by the House and supported by President Donald Trump is a bad idea instead of a good idea, according to a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.

Forty-eight percent say it's a bad idea, including 43 percent of respondents who "strongly" believe that.

By contrast, just 23 percent call the legislation a good idea, including 18 percent who "strongly" say that.

That 25-point gap between good idea and bad idea is larger than the NBC/WSJ poll ever found for Barack Obama's health-care plan. Back in December of 2013, following problems with the rollout of the HealthCare.Gov website, 50 percent had said the Obama plan was a bad idea, versus 34 percent who said it was a good idea.

This past February, however, 43 percent of Americans called the Obama plan a good idea, while 41 percent said it was bad.

On May 4, the House approved legislation - by a narrow 217-213 majority - to repeal and replace Obama's Affordable Care Act. No Democrats voted for the bill, and the legislative activity has since moved to the U.S. Senate.

According to the new NBC/WSJ poll, 52 percent of Republican respondents say the GOP health-care legislation is a good idea, versus 77 percent of Democrats who believe it's a bad idea. Among independents, it's 44 percent bad idea, 18 percent good idea.


http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/amp/poll-48-percent-say-house-gop-health-care-bill-bad-n759201
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23068 Posts
May 15 2017 18:06 GMT
#150565
On May 16 2017 02:49 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
By a 2-to-1 ratio, Americans say the health care legislation that was recently passed by the House and supported by President Donald Trump is a bad idea instead of a good idea, according to a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.

Forty-eight percent say it's a bad idea, including 43 percent of respondents who "strongly" believe that.

By contrast, just 23 percent call the legislation a good idea, including 18 percent who "strongly" say that.

That 25-point gap between good idea and bad idea is larger than the NBC/WSJ poll ever found for Barack Obama's health-care plan. Back in December of 2013, following problems with the rollout of the HealthCare.Gov website, 50 percent had said the Obama plan was a bad idea, versus 34 percent who said it was a good idea.

This past February, however, 43 percent of Americans called the Obama plan a good idea, while 41 percent said it was bad.

On May 4, the House approved legislation - by a narrow 217-213 majority - to repeal and replace Obama's Affordable Care Act. No Democrats voted for the bill, and the legislative activity has since moved to the U.S. Senate.

According to the new NBC/WSJ poll, 52 percent of Republican respondents say the GOP health-care legislation is a good idea, versus 77 percent of Democrats who believe it's a bad idea. Among independents, it's 44 percent bad idea, 18 percent good idea.


http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/amp/poll-48-percent-say-house-gop-health-care-bill-bad-n759201


Meanwhile single-payer polls better than both of them and is the lowest of the 3 on either party's agenda because that makes sense.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
May 15 2017 18:12 GMT
#150566
On May 16 2017 03:06 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2017 02:49 Nevuk wrote:
By a 2-to-1 ratio, Americans say the health care legislation that was recently passed by the House and supported by President Donald Trump is a bad idea instead of a good idea, according to a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.

Forty-eight percent say it's a bad idea, including 43 percent of respondents who "strongly" believe that.

By contrast, just 23 percent call the legislation a good idea, including 18 percent who "strongly" say that.

That 25-point gap between good idea and bad idea is larger than the NBC/WSJ poll ever found for Barack Obama's health-care plan. Back in December of 2013, following problems with the rollout of the HealthCare.Gov website, 50 percent had said the Obama plan was a bad idea, versus 34 percent who said it was a good idea.

This past February, however, 43 percent of Americans called the Obama plan a good idea, while 41 percent said it was bad.

On May 4, the House approved legislation - by a narrow 217-213 majority - to repeal and replace Obama's Affordable Care Act. No Democrats voted for the bill, and the legislative activity has since moved to the U.S. Senate.

According to the new NBC/WSJ poll, 52 percent of Republican respondents say the GOP health-care legislation is a good idea, versus 77 percent of Democrats who believe it's a bad idea. Among independents, it's 44 percent bad idea, 18 percent good idea.


http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/amp/poll-48-percent-say-house-gop-health-care-bill-bad-n759201


Meanwhile single-payer polls better than both of them and is the lowest of the 3 on either party's agenda because that makes sense.

I'm always amused by how many of the Leftist posters around here overlook the fact that the Democrats don't have popular internal support for single payer health care.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23068 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-15 18:17:37
May 15 2017 18:17 GMT
#150567
On May 16 2017 03:12 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2017 03:06 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 16 2017 02:49 Nevuk wrote:
By a 2-to-1 ratio, Americans say the health care legislation that was recently passed by the House and supported by President Donald Trump is a bad idea instead of a good idea, according to a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.

Forty-eight percent say it's a bad idea, including 43 percent of respondents who "strongly" believe that.

By contrast, just 23 percent call the legislation a good idea, including 18 percent who "strongly" say that.

That 25-point gap between good idea and bad idea is larger than the NBC/WSJ poll ever found for Barack Obama's health-care plan. Back in December of 2013, following problems with the rollout of the HealthCare.Gov website, 50 percent had said the Obama plan was a bad idea, versus 34 percent who said it was a good idea.

This past February, however, 43 percent of Americans called the Obama plan a good idea, while 41 percent said it was bad.

On May 4, the House approved legislation - by a narrow 217-213 majority - to repeal and replace Obama's Affordable Care Act. No Democrats voted for the bill, and the legislative activity has since moved to the U.S. Senate.

According to the new NBC/WSJ poll, 52 percent of Republican respondents say the GOP health-care legislation is a good idea, versus 77 percent of Democrats who believe it's a bad idea. Among independents, it's 44 percent bad idea, 18 percent good idea.


http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/amp/poll-48-percent-say-house-gop-health-care-bill-bad-n759201


Meanwhile single-payer polls better than both of them and is the lowest of the 3 on either party's agenda because that makes sense.

I'm always amused by how many of the Leftist posters around here overlook the fact that the Democrats don't have popular internal support for single payer health care.


It's getting better, a few dozen (more) have signed onto HR676 in the house, and the new guy Ro Khanna is a vocal backer, but he's also supporting Pelosi who said it's basically a non-starter, so go figure on that.

Just waiting for enough people to realize both parties are terrible and they are only getting worse and won't get better if folks on both sides just keep worrying about their side looking less terrible than the other.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
May 15 2017 18:23 GMT
#150568
On May 16 2017 03:06 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2017 02:49 Nevuk wrote:
By a 2-to-1 ratio, Americans say the health care legislation that was recently passed by the House and supported by President Donald Trump is a bad idea instead of a good idea, according to a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.

Forty-eight percent say it's a bad idea, including 43 percent of respondents who "strongly" believe that.

By contrast, just 23 percent call the legislation a good idea, including 18 percent who "strongly" say that.

That 25-point gap between good idea and bad idea is larger than the NBC/WSJ poll ever found for Barack Obama's health-care plan. Back in December of 2013, following problems with the rollout of the HealthCare.Gov website, 50 percent had said the Obama plan was a bad idea, versus 34 percent who said it was a good idea.

This past February, however, 43 percent of Americans called the Obama plan a good idea, while 41 percent said it was bad.

On May 4, the House approved legislation - by a narrow 217-213 majority - to repeal and replace Obama's Affordable Care Act. No Democrats voted for the bill, and the legislative activity has since moved to the U.S. Senate.

According to the new NBC/WSJ poll, 52 percent of Republican respondents say the GOP health-care legislation is a good idea, versus 77 percent of Democrats who believe it's a bad idea. Among independents, it's 44 percent bad idea, 18 percent good idea.


http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/amp/poll-48-percent-say-house-gop-health-care-bill-bad-n759201


Meanwhile single-payer polls better than both of them and is the lowest of the 3 on either party's agenda because that makes sense.

And yet it's a successful model for universal health coverage, as indicated by its adoption in some form in nearly every 1st world country.

Except the USA. And I don't expect it to change anytime soon, the big money is so entrenched in it at this point, it would take a lot.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
May 15 2017 18:33 GMT
#150569
On May 16 2017 01:18 Doodsmack wrote:
25th amendment anyone? Between the politico story on Trump's media driven agenda and this, this stuff (aka Trump's temperament) is actually dangerous for the country.

i've been advocating amendment 25 application for ages now. I don't think pence is up for it yet; trump will hvae to get considerably lower ratings/crazier before pence is willing to try it.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Wulfey_LA
Profile Joined April 2017
932 Posts
May 15 2017 18:36 GMT
#150570
On May 16 2017 03:23 NewSunshine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2017 03:06 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 16 2017 02:49 Nevuk wrote:
By a 2-to-1 ratio, Americans say the health care legislation that was recently passed by the House and supported by President Donald Trump is a bad idea instead of a good idea, according to a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.

Forty-eight percent say it's a bad idea, including 43 percent of respondents who "strongly" believe that.

By contrast, just 23 percent call the legislation a good idea, including 18 percent who "strongly" say that.

That 25-point gap between good idea and bad idea is larger than the NBC/WSJ poll ever found for Barack Obama's health-care plan. Back in December of 2013, following problems with the rollout of the HealthCare.Gov website, 50 percent had said the Obama plan was a bad idea, versus 34 percent who said it was a good idea.

This past February, however, 43 percent of Americans called the Obama plan a good idea, while 41 percent said it was bad.

On May 4, the House approved legislation - by a narrow 217-213 majority - to repeal and replace Obama's Affordable Care Act. No Democrats voted for the bill, and the legislative activity has since moved to the U.S. Senate.

According to the new NBC/WSJ poll, 52 percent of Republican respondents say the GOP health-care legislation is a good idea, versus 77 percent of Democrats who believe it's a bad idea. Among independents, it's 44 percent bad idea, 18 percent good idea.


http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/amp/poll-48-percent-say-house-gop-health-care-bill-bad-n759201


Meanwhile single-payer polls better than both of them and is the lowest of the 3 on either party's agenda because that makes sense.

And yet it's a successful model for universal health coverage, as indicated by its adoption in some form in nearly every 1st world country.

Except the USA. And I don't expect it to change anytime soon, the big money is so entrenched in it at this point, it would take a lot.


It is very easy to say "let's have single payer". It is far harder to craft legislation that can move us from the extant reality of private insurance dominated health care to medicaid for all. You would have to bulldoze all the private health insurance that many people approve of. Think of all the people in high W2 paying jobs with fancy insurance that provides good coverage. You have to significantly increase their taxes and put them on a public plan. That transition would be brutal and the Democrats wisely don't advocate pushing that transition.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23068 Posts
May 15 2017 18:37 GMT
#150571
On May 16 2017 03:23 NewSunshine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2017 03:06 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 16 2017 02:49 Nevuk wrote:
By a 2-to-1 ratio, Americans say the health care legislation that was recently passed by the House and supported by President Donald Trump is a bad idea instead of a good idea, according to a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.

Forty-eight percent say it's a bad idea, including 43 percent of respondents who "strongly" believe that.

By contrast, just 23 percent call the legislation a good idea, including 18 percent who "strongly" say that.

That 25-point gap between good idea and bad idea is larger than the NBC/WSJ poll ever found for Barack Obama's health-care plan. Back in December of 2013, following problems with the rollout of the HealthCare.Gov website, 50 percent had said the Obama plan was a bad idea, versus 34 percent who said it was a good idea.

This past February, however, 43 percent of Americans called the Obama plan a good idea, while 41 percent said it was bad.

On May 4, the House approved legislation - by a narrow 217-213 majority - to repeal and replace Obama's Affordable Care Act. No Democrats voted for the bill, and the legislative activity has since moved to the U.S. Senate.

According to the new NBC/WSJ poll, 52 percent of Republican respondents say the GOP health-care legislation is a good idea, versus 77 percent of Democrats who believe it's a bad idea. Among independents, it's 44 percent bad idea, 18 percent good idea.


http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/amp/poll-48-percent-say-house-gop-health-care-bill-bad-n759201


Meanwhile single-payer polls better than both of them and is the lowest of the 3 on either party's agenda because that makes sense.

And yet it's a successful model for universal health coverage, as indicated by its adoption in some form in nearly every 1st world country.

Except the USA. And I don't expect it to change anytime soon, the big money is so entrenched in it at this point, it would take a lot.


The astonishing part is how intent people on both sides are denying that the money dumping into these politicians coffers and associates wallets is what is stopping it.

You see we need our politicians to take that corrupting money so that they can compete with each other...
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
May 15 2017 18:40 GMT
#150572
On May 16 2017 03:37 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2017 03:23 NewSunshine wrote:
On May 16 2017 03:06 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 16 2017 02:49 Nevuk wrote:
By a 2-to-1 ratio, Americans say the health care legislation that was recently passed by the House and supported by President Donald Trump is a bad idea instead of a good idea, according to a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.

Forty-eight percent say it's a bad idea, including 43 percent of respondents who "strongly" believe that.

By contrast, just 23 percent call the legislation a good idea, including 18 percent who "strongly" say that.

That 25-point gap between good idea and bad idea is larger than the NBC/WSJ poll ever found for Barack Obama's health-care plan. Back in December of 2013, following problems with the rollout of the HealthCare.Gov website, 50 percent had said the Obama plan was a bad idea, versus 34 percent who said it was a good idea.

This past February, however, 43 percent of Americans called the Obama plan a good idea, while 41 percent said it was bad.

On May 4, the House approved legislation - by a narrow 217-213 majority - to repeal and replace Obama's Affordable Care Act. No Democrats voted for the bill, and the legislative activity has since moved to the U.S. Senate.

According to the new NBC/WSJ poll, 52 percent of Republican respondents say the GOP health-care legislation is a good idea, versus 77 percent of Democrats who believe it's a bad idea. Among independents, it's 44 percent bad idea, 18 percent good idea.


http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/amp/poll-48-percent-say-house-gop-health-care-bill-bad-n759201


Meanwhile single-payer polls better than both of them and is the lowest of the 3 on either party's agenda because that makes sense.

And yet it's a successful model for universal health coverage, as indicated by its adoption in some form in nearly every 1st world country.

Except the USA. And I don't expect it to change anytime soon, the big money is so entrenched in it at this point, it would take a lot.


The astonishing part is how intent people on both sides are denying that the money dumping into these politicians coffers and associates wallets is what is stopping it.

You see we need our politicians to take that corrupting money so that they can compete with each other...

which people are denying that the vast sums of money are having an influence?
i.e. i'd like examples of which people you're referring to and exactly what they're saying.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 15 2017 18:42 GMT
#150573
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 15 2017 18:43 GMT
#150574
On May 16 2017 03:37 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2017 03:23 NewSunshine wrote:
On May 16 2017 03:06 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 16 2017 02:49 Nevuk wrote:
By a 2-to-1 ratio, Americans say the health care legislation that was recently passed by the House and supported by President Donald Trump is a bad idea instead of a good idea, according to a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.

Forty-eight percent say it's a bad idea, including 43 percent of respondents who "strongly" believe that.

By contrast, just 23 percent call the legislation a good idea, including 18 percent who "strongly" say that.

That 25-point gap between good idea and bad idea is larger than the NBC/WSJ poll ever found for Barack Obama's health-care plan. Back in December of 2013, following problems with the rollout of the HealthCare.Gov website, 50 percent had said the Obama plan was a bad idea, versus 34 percent who said it was a good idea.

This past February, however, 43 percent of Americans called the Obama plan a good idea, while 41 percent said it was bad.

On May 4, the House approved legislation - by a narrow 217-213 majority - to repeal and replace Obama's Affordable Care Act. No Democrats voted for the bill, and the legislative activity has since moved to the U.S. Senate.

According to the new NBC/WSJ poll, 52 percent of Republican respondents say the GOP health-care legislation is a good idea, versus 77 percent of Democrats who believe it's a bad idea. Among independents, it's 44 percent bad idea, 18 percent good idea.


http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/amp/poll-48-percent-say-house-gop-health-care-bill-bad-n759201


Meanwhile single-payer polls better than both of them and is the lowest of the 3 on either party's agenda because that makes sense.

And yet it's a successful model for universal health coverage, as indicated by its adoption in some form in nearly every 1st world country.

Except the USA. And I don't expect it to change anytime soon, the big money is so entrenched in it at this point, it would take a lot.


The astonishing part is how intent people on both sides are denying that the money dumping into these politicians coffers and associates wallets is what is stopping it.

You see we need our politicians to take that corrupting money so that they can compete with each other...

You best find a plan to address that issue because every effort by both parties has been shot down and gutted by the Supreme Court. Money is speech until the courts change or we amend the constitution.
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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-15 18:44:07
May 15 2017 18:43 GMT
#150575
You will also lose a SCOTUS case if you want to actually make it Medicaid for all, considering tying Medicaid funding to a less-than-Medicaid-for-all increase was deemed beyond the pale so it's not really clear whether or how the federal government can truly expand Medicaid in a way states can't opt out of at the moment (and opting out would be a big problem with Medicaid for all).

And it will be hard to argue an alternative program and deleting Medicaid isn't just the same thing, so it's kind of a crapshoot.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
May 15 2017 18:47 GMT
#150576
On May 16 2017 01:13 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:

Good read, these are the real troubles of a meme president. Not being able to do high level meetings because his attention span is that of a 6 year old, it's just madness.

and also this is just pure incompetence:

Part of the issue is staffing. After months of Trump’s threatening a radically new approach to global alliances the United States helped create, there’s nobody even charting a new course. Trump hasn’t appointed any high-level posts for Europe, including key Pentagon postings, undersecretaries of state, an assistant secretary of state for Europe, or a new ambassador to NATO. With no middle management to give direction on a day-to-day basis, Europeans are struggling to decipher what the new administration wants from them.

“That’s where there’s a ton of panic in NATO,” a source told FP. “The United States put that issue forward, but it has nobody on tap who’s doing any sort of fresh thinking on that front.”


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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
May 15 2017 18:59 GMT
#150577
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-15 19:01:59
May 15 2017 19:00 GMT
#150578
On May 16 2017 02:27 Velr wrote:
If you voted trump and still would, yes, your the very definition of stupid partisanship.

I can get behind plenty of conservative (not religious conservative) positions because i deal with hardcore conservatives everyday (which tend to be a bit more religious here too).
I don't agree with them but i see where they are comming from and thanks to my job i see the stupidity of the left daily.

The thing is: If you now still stand behind trump, you better get paid by him or your just dillusional and want your country to go down.

Ffs "not voting for someone like trump" is actually the best argument "the establishment" had against the hard right since... i don't know, i'm 34 and don't remember such a shitshow in any modern/firstworld country.
Berlusconi looked better than Trump when he was at his worst.

Which is why I have to keep bringing it up. Because people don't believe there were actually two choices at play, and there's compelling arguments for repeating that vote for Trump. Oh, and by the way, this continually blasting of Trump's mistakes while recognizing none of the background arguments is called nonpartisanship or something by the left and it's frankly drop-dead hilarious. "He's objectively ..." mmhmm I'll listen in when hardcore alt-Left and regressive-Left persons make conservative positions not look unideological. You'll have to take off the horse blinders while staring gape-mouthed at Trump for maybe a couple weeks to notice the media, DNC, and leftist cultural warriors are all complicit.

Now let's all repeat together that Trump is awful and all his supporters are "delusional and want your country to go down." Because that's how you show you're above "the very definition of stupid partisanship."
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NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
May 15 2017 19:06 GMT
#150579
On May 16 2017 03:36 Wulfey_LA wrote:
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On May 16 2017 03:23 NewSunshine wrote:
On May 16 2017 03:06 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 16 2017 02:49 Nevuk wrote:
By a 2-to-1 ratio, Americans say the health care legislation that was recently passed by the House and supported by President Donald Trump is a bad idea instead of a good idea, according to a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.

Forty-eight percent say it's a bad idea, including 43 percent of respondents who "strongly" believe that.

By contrast, just 23 percent call the legislation a good idea, including 18 percent who "strongly" say that.

That 25-point gap between good idea and bad idea is larger than the NBC/WSJ poll ever found for Barack Obama's health-care plan. Back in December of 2013, following problems with the rollout of the HealthCare.Gov website, 50 percent had said the Obama plan was a bad idea, versus 34 percent who said it was a good idea.

This past February, however, 43 percent of Americans called the Obama plan a good idea, while 41 percent said it was bad.

On May 4, the House approved legislation - by a narrow 217-213 majority - to repeal and replace Obama's Affordable Care Act. No Democrats voted for the bill, and the legislative activity has since moved to the U.S. Senate.

According to the new NBC/WSJ poll, 52 percent of Republican respondents say the GOP health-care legislation is a good idea, versus 77 percent of Democrats who believe it's a bad idea. Among independents, it's 44 percent bad idea, 18 percent good idea.


http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/amp/poll-48-percent-say-house-gop-health-care-bill-bad-n759201


Meanwhile single-payer polls better than both of them and is the lowest of the 3 on either party's agenda because that makes sense.

And yet it's a successful model for universal health coverage, as indicated by its adoption in some form in nearly every 1st world country.

Except the USA. And I don't expect it to change anytime soon, the big money is so entrenched in it at this point, it would take a lot.


It is very easy to say "let's have single payer". It is far harder to craft legislation that can move us from the extant reality of private insurance dominated health care to medicaid for all. You would have to bulldoze all the private health insurance that many people approve of. Think of all the people in high W2 paying jobs with fancy insurance that provides good coverage. You have to significantly increase their taxes and put them on a public plan. That transition would be brutal and the Democrats wisely don't advocate pushing that transition.

Well, I'm aware there would be a hefty transition to consider, which is largely why I don't see it happening anytime soon. It does ultimately work better though, because you don't have to fight to make sure you're covered, you don't have to play games with pre-existing conditions, you don't have to worry about your premium going up because you merely used the service, etc. The arguments in favor of universal healthcare are so numerous compared to against, that the transition would be tough but worth it.
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23068 Posts
May 15 2017 19:07 GMT
#150580
On May 16 2017 03:40 zlefin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2017 03:37 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 16 2017 03:23 NewSunshine wrote:
On May 16 2017 03:06 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 16 2017 02:49 Nevuk wrote:
By a 2-to-1 ratio, Americans say the health care legislation that was recently passed by the House and supported by President Donald Trump is a bad idea instead of a good idea, according to a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.

Forty-eight percent say it's a bad idea, including 43 percent of respondents who "strongly" believe that.

By contrast, just 23 percent call the legislation a good idea, including 18 percent who "strongly" say that.

That 25-point gap between good idea and bad idea is larger than the NBC/WSJ poll ever found for Barack Obama's health-care plan. Back in December of 2013, following problems with the rollout of the HealthCare.Gov website, 50 percent had said the Obama plan was a bad idea, versus 34 percent who said it was a good idea.

This past February, however, 43 percent of Americans called the Obama plan a good idea, while 41 percent said it was bad.

On May 4, the House approved legislation - by a narrow 217-213 majority - to repeal and replace Obama's Affordable Care Act. No Democrats voted for the bill, and the legislative activity has since moved to the U.S. Senate.

According to the new NBC/WSJ poll, 52 percent of Republican respondents say the GOP health-care legislation is a good idea, versus 77 percent of Democrats who believe it's a bad idea. Among independents, it's 44 percent bad idea, 18 percent good idea.


http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/amp/poll-48-percent-say-house-gop-health-care-bill-bad-n759201


Meanwhile single-payer polls better than both of them and is the lowest of the 3 on either party's agenda because that makes sense.

And yet it's a successful model for universal health coverage, as indicated by its adoption in some form in nearly every 1st world country.

Except the USA. And I don't expect it to change anytime soon, the big money is so entrenched in it at this point, it would take a lot.


The astonishing part is how intent people on both sides are denying that the money dumping into these politicians coffers and associates wallets is what is stopping it.

You see we need our politicians to take that corrupting money so that they can compete with each other...

which people are denying that the vast sums of money are having an influence?
i.e. i'd like examples of which people you're referring to and exactly what they're saying.


I mean the people here know if I'm talking about them. They would have been the people denying that the dozens of millions of dollars going into certain candidates bank accounts would influence them in ways contrary to our best interests (as opposed to theirs) all last year.

Specifically to the contemporary, I would point to the DNC failing to reinstate Obama's ban on lobbyist cash into the DNC.

But as I was suggesting, there's not a lot of practical difference between denying it, and arguing that we have to accept it.
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