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hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-15 15:33:56
May 15 2017 15:25 GMT
#150541
Is rawstory credible at all? I recall them being very in credible, on same level as the hill or something and just above breitbart fox and the onion? Or am I wrong about those?

Also what's the operation deep throat thing I keep hearing about? Could anyone explain?

Edit: typos, on phone.
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
May 15 2017 15:33 GMT
#150542
On May 16 2017 00:25 hunts wrote:
Is rawstory credible at all? I recall them being very in credible, on same level as the hill or something and just above breitbart fox and the onion? Or am I wrong about those?

Also what's the operation deep throat thing I keep hearing about? Could anyone explain?

Edit: tupos, on phone.


In this case they're just quoting Morning Joe, so the source doesn't really matter.
hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
May 15 2017 15:38 GMT
#150543
On May 16 2017 00:33 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2017 00:25 hunts wrote:
Is rawstory credible at all? I recall them being very in credible, on same level as the hill or something and just above breitbart fox and the onion? Or am I wrong about those?

Also what's the operation deep throat thing I keep hearing about? Could anyone explain?

Edit: tupos, on phone.


In this case they're just quoting Morning Joe, so the source doesn't really matter.


I see, I didn't see the morning Joe reference. Still curious about rawstory in general since I see some of thr more radical liberals on my Facebook link their articles.
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
May 15 2017 15:56 GMT
#150544
On May 16 2017 00:38 hunts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2017 00:33 Doodsmack wrote:
On May 16 2017 00:25 hunts wrote:
Is rawstory credible at all? I recall them being very in credible, on same level as the hill or something and just above breitbart fox and the onion? Or am I wrong about those?

Also what's the operation deep throat thing I keep hearing about? Could anyone explain?

Edit: tupos, on phone.


In this case they're just quoting Morning Joe, so the source doesn't really matter.


I see, I didn't see the morning Joe reference. Still curious about rawstory in general since I see some of thr more radical liberals on my Facebook link their articles.

They're a bit below HuffPo. Not the worst source out there, but extremely biased and not great.

The deep throat reference is to the main leaker in the watergate affair. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Throat_(Watergate)
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
May 15 2017 16:01 GMT
#150545
On May 16 2017 00:38 hunts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2017 00:33 Doodsmack wrote:
On May 16 2017 00:25 hunts wrote:
Is rawstory credible at all? I recall them being very in credible, on same level as the hill or something and just above breitbart fox and the onion? Or am I wrong about those?

Also what's the operation deep throat thing I keep hearing about? Could anyone explain?

Edit: tupos, on phone.


In this case they're just quoting Morning Joe, so the source doesn't really matter.


I see, I didn't see the morning Joe reference. Still curious about rawstory in general since I see some of thr more radical liberals on my Facebook link their articles.


Breitbart is still definitely worse, but yea, it just depends on the story. I always check for citations, or some kind of source. If there is none, I just wait to see if others pick up with an actual source.
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18857 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-15 16:05:26
May 15 2017 16:05 GMT
#150546
So long as you use articles like those of Raw Story as a jumping off point, there shouldn't be much issue.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 15 2017 16:13 GMT
#150547
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
May 15 2017 16:18 GMT
#150548
25th amendment anyone? Between the politico story on Trump's media driven agenda and this, this stuff (aka Trump's temperament) is actually dangerous for the country.
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
May 15 2017 16:31 GMT
#150549
The more I read about impeachment, the more it seems like we probably won't be able to impeach Trump until A) he does some bat shit crazy thing that destroys the republican agendas, or B) 2018 midterms get enough democrats elected.
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
May 15 2017 16:31 GMT
#150550
On May 15 2017 09:29 xDaunt wrote:
I'm ready for Trump to launch a full blown inquisition of the administrative state. Part of it must include clearing out the dead wood in his administration. I'm inclined to think that some of the establishment types (like Priebus) are part of the problem. What Trump has in place clearly isn't working for him, so he needs to clear the board and start over. The sooner he commits to this, the better.


Are you saying Trump's agenda would have done better in court with a stronger Bannon and lesser Priebus presence?
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 15 2017 16:39 GMT
#150551
Americans’ support for same-sex marriage has hit a new high, according to a Gallup poll released Monday.

Sixty-four percent of adults surveyed said same-sex marriages should be legal, a 3 percent increase since last year and the most support for gay marriage since Gallup began tracking the issue in 1996, when just 27 percent backed legalizing gay marriage.

Democrats (74 percent) and independents (71 percent) have been most accepting of legalizing same-sex marriages, with support among Democrats reaching a majority in 2004, followed by a majority among independents in 2007. Forty-seven percent of Republicans support legalizing same-sex marriage, the highest ever mark from the GOP.

The Supreme Court in June 2015 legalized gay marriage nationwide in a landmark 5-4 ruling that said the Constitution bars states from denying marriage licenses to same-sex couples.

While some may still have objections to same-sex unions over moral or religious grounds despite the Supreme Court ruling, Americans are more accepting of same-sex relations, with 72 percent of respondents saying it should be legal.

The survey of 1,011 adults was conducted May 3-7 via landline and cellphones. It has a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points.


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Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
May 15 2017 16:41 GMT
#150552
On May 16 2017 01:18 Doodsmack wrote:
25th amendment anyone? Between the politico story on Trump's media driven agenda and this, this stuff (aka Trump's temperament) is actually dangerous for the country.

Pardon my cynicism but these criticisms of his character were well known prior to the election to anyone who cared to look. As other Trump supporters in this thread have stated, they voted for him knowing he wasn't a "paragon of virtue" or something along those lines. Short of him throwing his own feces at the press, no one who didn't care before is going to care now that he is mentally and emotionally defective, and even then they would probably enjoy that.
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 15 2017 16:48 GMT
#150553
The U.S. Supreme Court has declined once again to reinstate North Carolina's strict voter ID law, which was struck down last year after a court ruled it was intentionally designed to stop African-Americans from voting.

The nation's highest court refused to consider an appeal by North Carolina Republicans, NPR's Pam Fessler reports.

"Chief Justice John Roberts wrote that the court's refusal to consider an appeal did not signify an opinion on the merits of the case," Pam says.

It's not the first time the Supreme Court has considered an appeal over the law, which was one of the country's strictest. It was put in place after the Supreme Court struck down a key provision of the Voting Rights Act and cleared the way for states with a history of discrimination to craft new voting laws without federal oversight.


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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
May 15 2017 16:49 GMT
#150554
On May 16 2017 01:41 Tachion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2017 01:18 Doodsmack wrote:
25th amendment anyone? Between the politico story on Trump's media driven agenda and this, this stuff (aka Trump's temperament) is actually dangerous for the country.

Pardon my cynicism but these criticisms of his character were well known prior to the election to anyone who cared to look. As other Trump supporters in this thread have stated, they voted for him knowing he wasn't a "paragon of virtue" or something along those lines. Short of him throwing his own feces at the press, no one who didn't care before is going to care now that he is mentally and emotionally defective, and even then they would probably enjoy that.


Maybe a specific mistake will be damaging enough that the consequences can no longer be ignored. My question is whether we already can see too great a risk of that happening.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
May 15 2017 16:57 GMT
#150555
On May 16 2017 01:41 Tachion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2017 01:18 Doodsmack wrote:
25th amendment anyone? Between the politico story on Trump's media driven agenda and this, this stuff (aka Trump's temperament) is actually dangerous for the country.

Pardon my cynicism but these criticisms of his character were well known prior to the election to anyone who cared to look. As other Trump supporters in this thread have stated, they voted for him knowing he wasn't a "paragon of virtue" or something along those lines. Short of him throwing his own feces at the press, no one who didn't care before is going to care now that he is mentally and emotionally defective, and even then they would probably enjoy that.

Maybe because his opponents are defective in wholly different ways with further lasting deleterious consequences.

Pence agreed to be Vice President on the ticket. He knew who Trump was. The 25th amendment assumes he's on board with becoming the acting president. It's fanciful dreaming, but from looking at the rest of the news, that seems to be in vogue.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Piledriver
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1697 Posts
May 15 2017 17:02 GMT
#150556
On May 16 2017 01:57 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2017 01:41 Tachion wrote:
On May 16 2017 01:18 Doodsmack wrote:
25th amendment anyone? Between the politico story on Trump's media driven agenda and this, this stuff (aka Trump's temperament) is actually dangerous for the country.

Pardon my cynicism but these criticisms of his character were well known prior to the election to anyone who cared to look. As other Trump supporters in this thread have stated, they voted for him knowing he wasn't a "paragon of virtue" or something along those lines. Short of him throwing his own feces at the press, no one who didn't care before is going to care now that he is mentally and emotionally defective, and even then they would probably enjoy that.

Maybe because his opponents are defective in wholly different ways with further lasting deleterious consequences.

Pence agreed to be Vice President on the ticket. He knew who Trump was. The 25th amendment assumes he's on board with becoming the acting president. It's fanciful dreaming, but from looking at the rest of the news, that seems to be in vogue.


Another version of "ermagherd Hillary is the devil". A totally asinine, intellectually lazy argument, that frankly doesn't deserve a place on TL anymore.
Envy fan since NTH.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 15 2017 17:04 GMT
#150557
Unless there is some amazing smoking gun in that investigation, people are really into some magical thinking with impeachment. I joke about it, but I have to be realistic with myself. Unless there is some natural disaster that Trump mishandles on a scale that overshadows Katrina by several orders of magnitude, we could be in for 3.5 more years of Trump. The liberals need and left leaning media really should be focusing on congress in 2018.
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NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-15 17:22:43
May 15 2017 17:16 GMT
#150558
On May 16 2017 02:04 Plansix wrote:
Unless there is some amazing smoking gun in that investigation, people are really into some magical thinking with impeachment. I joke about it, but I have to be realistic with myself. Unless there is some natural disaster that Trump mishandles on a scale that overshadows Katrina by several orders of magnitude, we could be in for 3.5 more years of Trump. The liberals need and left leaning media really should be focusing on congress in 2018.

At the rate things are going, Trump may not get impeached right away, potentially at all, but if Democrats take some seats back in 2018, it could definitely happen then. Given the train wreck that Trump's administration has been so far, I can't imagine the turn of office not happening.

Assume Trump makes it all the way through 4 years, a scary but remote possibility, I'd be shocked if he still got a second term. His approval ratings have been pretty shit for a while, I don't think the people are happy with their choice(mind you, I don't think we had a good choice to begin with).
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
May 15 2017 17:16 GMT
#150559
On May 16 2017 02:02 Piledriver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2017 01:57 Danglars wrote:
On May 16 2017 01:41 Tachion wrote:
On May 16 2017 01:18 Doodsmack wrote:
25th amendment anyone? Between the politico story on Trump's media driven agenda and this, this stuff (aka Trump's temperament) is actually dangerous for the country.

Pardon my cynicism but these criticisms of his character were well known prior to the election to anyone who cared to look. As other Trump supporters in this thread have stated, they voted for him knowing he wasn't a "paragon of virtue" or something along those lines. Short of him throwing his own feces at the press, no one who didn't care before is going to care now that he is mentally and emotionally defective, and even then they would probably enjoy that.

Maybe because his opponents are defective in wholly different ways with further lasting deleterious consequences.

Pence agreed to be Vice President on the ticket. He knew who Trump was. The 25th amendment assumes he's on board with becoming the acting president. It's fanciful dreaming, but from looking at the rest of the news, that seems to be in vogue.


Another version of "ermagherd Hillary is the devil". A totally asinine, intellectually lazy argument, that frankly doesn't deserve a place on TL anymore.

Reductionist bullshit. We had bad choice on November 8th of last year and almost half the country was not on board with what Hillary represented and what she was likely to do. I assume the casual "mentally and emotionally defective" comment has a place in TL in your opinion (If you live in a liberal echo chamber, I'm guessing insults against Trump are the only ones tolerated). I want to remind the mentally lazy out there, yourself included, that I'd still repeat my vote for Trump against Hillary today knowing what I do now. I see all the cheering for these disgusting political hacks and I'm reminded that people who think "[Opinion I don't like] doesn't deserve a place on TL anymore" are authoritarian nutcases that lack perspective and self-examination. Sorry, sir, but America will survive Trump just fine and discourse might improve a bit for the long run if you let it.

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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23930 Posts
May 15 2017 17:24 GMT
#150560
On May 16 2017 02:16 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2017 02:02 Piledriver wrote:
On May 16 2017 01:57 Danglars wrote:
On May 16 2017 01:41 Tachion wrote:
On May 16 2017 01:18 Doodsmack wrote:
25th amendment anyone? Between the politico story on Trump's media driven agenda and this, this stuff (aka Trump's temperament) is actually dangerous for the country.

Pardon my cynicism but these criticisms of his character were well known prior to the election to anyone who cared to look. As other Trump supporters in this thread have stated, they voted for him knowing he wasn't a "paragon of virtue" or something along those lines. Short of him throwing his own feces at the press, no one who didn't care before is going to care now that he is mentally and emotionally defective, and even then they would probably enjoy that.

Maybe because his opponents are defective in wholly different ways with further lasting deleterious consequences.

Pence agreed to be Vice President on the ticket. He knew who Trump was. The 25th amendment assumes he's on board with becoming the acting president. It's fanciful dreaming, but from looking at the rest of the news, that seems to be in vogue.


Another version of "ermagherd Hillary is the devil". A totally asinine, intellectually lazy argument, that frankly doesn't deserve a place on TL anymore.

Reductionist bullshit. We had bad choice on November 8th of last year and almost half the country was not on board with what Hillary represented and what she was likely to do. I assume the casual "mentally and emotionally defective" comment has a place in TL in your opinion (If you live in a liberal echo chamber, I'm guessing insults against Trump are the only ones tolerated). I want to remind the mentally lazy out there, yourself included, that I'd still repeat my vote for Trump against Hillary today knowing what I do now. I see all the cheering for these disgusting political hacks and I'm reminded that people who think "[Opinion I don't like] doesn't deserve a place on TL anymore" are authoritarian nutcases that lack perspective and self-examination. Sorry, sir, but America will survive Trump just fine and discourse might improve a bit for the long run if you let it.


It's closer to 3/4 of the country that was not on board with Hillary, of course the same could be said of Trump.
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