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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44348 Posts
April 01 2017 04:19 GMT
#144801
On April 01 2017 07:40 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:



the tweet he's referencing




hopefully Krugman comments on this tomorrow with an explanation of how the economy works. I feel bad for anyone who thinks that actually demonstrates something good for the administration


Isn't that table just stating that Obama left those categories better than how he received them from GWB?
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
April 01 2017 04:32 GMT
#144802
On April 01 2017 13:19 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2017 07:40 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/847936708091850753


the tweet he's referencing

https://twitter.com/DanScavino/status/847931935653494784


hopefully Krugman comments on this tomorrow with an explanation of how the economy works. I feel bad for anyone who thinks that actually demonstrates something good for the administration


Isn't that table just stating that Obama left those categories better than how he received them from GWB?

No, it's stating how much Obama mucked things up in two months while Trump fixed so much in so short a time. Wow!
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23238 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-01 04:45:27
April 01 2017 04:44 GMT
#144803
On April 01 2017 13:19 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2017 07:40 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/847936708091850753


the tweet he's referencing

https://twitter.com/DanScavino/status/847931935653494784


hopefully Krugman comments on this tomorrow with an explanation of how the economy works. I feel bad for anyone who thinks that actually demonstrates something good for the administration


Isn't that table just stating that Obama left those categories better than how he received them from GWB?



I just have to point out that the guy sat on the board of a multi-billion dollar company and spent years as a "financial analyst" on TV.

He knew exactly what he was doing. Or somehow you can have a child's level understanding of economics and still end up on the board of a multi-billion dollar company and on TV opining on economics.

As to the chart itself, Dana says "we could just switch Trump's name with Obama, and Obama's with GWB's". So kudos to her for calling it as it was despite throwing herself/her previous boss under the bus.

"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 01 2017 11:20 GMT
#144804
That's all folks...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/mar/31/michael-flynn-new-evidence-spy-chiefs-had-concerns-about-russian-ties
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
April 01 2017 12:15 GMT
#144805
CBS News has learned that U.S. investigators are looking into whether Trump campaign representatives had a role in helping Russian intelligence as it carried out cyberattacks on the Democratic National Committee and other political targets in March 2016.

This new information suggests that the FBI is going back further than originally reported to determine the extent of possible coordination. Sources say investigators are probing whether an individual or individuals connected to the campaign intentionally or unwittingly helped the Russians breach Democratic Party targets.

...

Now, one year after the Russian operation began, sources say the FBI’s investigation is nowhere near over. It involves dozens of agents in Washington, New York and London. The NSA and CIA are also gathering intelligence from inside Russia.

...

Law enforcement sources say one theory is that Trump associates could have been motivated by money. But sources tell us the FBI wants to get the investigation absolutely right so that the public will trust the result, whatever that turns out to be.


CBS
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
April 01 2017 16:18 GMT
#144806
On April 01 2017 21:15 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
CBS News has learned that U.S. investigators are looking into whether Trump campaign representatives had a role in helping Russian intelligence as it carried out cyberattacks on the Democratic National Committee and other political targets in March 2016.

This new information suggests that the FBI is going back further than originally reported to determine the extent of possible coordination. Sources say investigators are probing whether an individual or individuals connected to the campaign intentionally or unwittingly helped the Russians breach Democratic Party targets.

...

Now, one year after the Russian operation began, sources say the FBI’s investigation is nowhere near over. It involves dozens of agents in Washington, New York and London. The NSA and CIA are also gathering intelligence from inside Russia.

...

Law enforcement sources say one theory is that Trump associates could have been motivated by money. But sources tell us the FBI wants to get the investigation absolutely right so that the public will trust the result, whatever that turns out to be.


CBS

That's exactly what we hope they're investigating. I eagerly await the results.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 01 2017 17:19 GMT
#144807
In a White House where President Donald Trump commands reverence, Jared Kushner often refers to the president by one name: Donald. And while cable TV can dominate the president’s mood and set the agenda for senior administration staff, Kushner usually keeps his large flat-screen TV in his office turned off, a stark departure from other top aides.

Kushner, the president’s 36-year-old son-in-law and White House senior adviser, does essentially what he wants, having the benefit of not only Trump's ear but — as a family member — his implicit trust.

That trust has resulted in a vast portfolio that so far includes negotiating an Israeli-Palestinian peace deal, helping oversee relations with Canada, China and Mexico and, as of this week, reinventing the federal government through the new White House Office of American Innovation.

But Kushner's status as the big-issue guru has stoked resentment among his colleagues, who question whether Kushner is capable of following through on his various commitments and complain that his dabbling in myriad issues and his tendency to walk in and out of meetings have complicated efforts to instill more order and organization into the chaotic administration. These people also say Kushner can be a shrewd self promoter, knowing how to take credit — and shirk blame — whenever it suits him.

“He's saving the government and the Middle East at the same time,” one senior administration official quipped.

In addition to being arguably the president’s most trusted and influential adviser, Kushner also serves as Trump’s unofficial hatchet man. And all eyes are on Kushner as White House insiders predict a broader staff shakeup amid rising tensions between Kushner and White House chief strategist Steve Bannon.

Kushner would like to present Trump a plan for improving the White House within weeks, around the 90-day mark, according to a person familiar with the plan.

In a move that's alarming the West Wing's hardline conservatives, Kushner is increasingly aligning himself with national economic adviser Gary Cohn, who’s participating in Kushner’s innovation office and a Democrat whose moderate political positions in some ways mirror Kushner’s own.

Kushner, the person familiar with his plans said, wants fewer zealots and less ideology in the West Wing — and is frustrated with the constant leaking and infighting that have characterized the administration’s early days.

“Everyone is jealous,” said one person close to the White House. Kushner is “the ultimate decider. Mostly people are jealous."

This account of Kushner's role is based on more than a dozen interviews with senior White House officials, allies, donors, lawmakers and others.

White House chief of staff Reince Priebus said Kushner has been an asset to the Trump administration. “Jared has been a top advisor to the president from the beginning. Using his wealth of private-sector experience, he is always finding innovative solutions to our country’s biggest problems.”

Kushner spends his days bopping from meetings on Capitol Hill to pacing the Oval Office with Trump to calling Trump's friends and potential media allies, like morning show host Joe Scarborough. He involves himself in high-level discussions on all manner of policy priorities, ranging from health care and tax reform to trade policy. In foreign policy, he’s been publicly tasked with solving Middle East peace, while also handling Canada, China and Mexico issues.

He created the innovation office last week — which is amorphous but designed to save the government money, improve technology and reduce bureaucracy, officials say. He is particularly interested in large infrastructure projects, a senior administration official said.

The creation of the office added to a perception around the White House that Kushner’s portfolio is almost impossibly ambitious, and that he prefers big-picture discussions to the sometimes mundane and detail-oriented work involved in carrying out policy changes.

On Wednesday, White House staffers and outside allies passed around a story from the parody website The Onion indicating that Kushner had “quietly moved the task ‘solve Middle East crisis’ to his to-do list for next week” because “there was simply too much on his plate right now to bring stability to the fractious region by end of day Friday.” Kushner did not see the piece, a person close to him said.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
April 01 2017 17:25 GMT
#144808
What troubles me is that private investigators managed to create a much more effective picture of what actually happened than our own intelligence folk with regards to the hacking and the "influence campaign" of Russia. In that previous hearing Comey and Rogers both showed that they understood far less about Russia than they should, as directors of their respective intelligence agencies. I anticipate that we will have a few years worth of false starts and bad leads before they realize that they're not really sure how to get the evidence they hope for one way or the other. In the meantime the leaks will continue to happen, and so will the push to discover the leakers. This isn't going to be pretty.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-01 18:07:17
April 01 2017 18:05 GMT
#144809
so apparently George Takei is running for congress in 2018 going after Nunes's seat. I don't see that going well in a farming district. It will probably go as well as Schilling's proposed senate run against Warren in Mass.
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7306 Posts
April 01 2017 18:12 GMT
#144810
On April 02 2017 03:05 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
so apparently George Takei is running for congress in 2018 going after Nunes's seat. I don't see that going well in a farming district. It will probably go as well as Schilling's proposed senate run against Warren in Mass.


On what day did he announce this?
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-01 18:23:08
April 01 2017 18:17 GMT
#144811
On April 02 2017 03:12 Zambrah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2017 03:05 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
so apparently George Takei is running for congress in 2018 going after Nunes's seat. I don't see that going well in a farming district. It will probably go as well as Schilling's proposed senate run against Warren in Mass.


On what day did he announce this?



well it could just be an april fools prank I guess. It was on TMZ, he tweeted something about it. I briefly forgot that today is april fools day. He did buy a house in the area though. It seems like it would be a very weird thing to do for an April Fool's joke though.
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7306 Posts
April 01 2017 18:23 GMT
#144812
On April 02 2017 03:17 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2017 03:12 Zambrah wrote:
On April 02 2017 03:05 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
so apparently George Takei is running for congress in 2018 going after Nunes's seat. I don't see that going well in a farming district. It will probably go as well as Schilling's proposed senate run against Warren in Mass.


On what day did he announce this?



well it could just be an april fools prank I guess. It was on TMZ, he tweeted something about it. I briefly forgot that today is april fools day. He did buy a house in the area though. And it seems like it's not something that would be an April Fools joke.


I can't say I'd be SHOCKED to see George Takei run for office, he certainly is popular and he has strong opinions and such, but I'm hazarding my guess that he isn't serious and that most anything vaguely potential a joke is a joke because of the day and all, lol
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 01 2017 18:25 GMT
#144813
A senior adviser to President Donald Trump on Saturday urged a primary challenge against a House Freedom Caucus member.

Dan Scavino Jr., director of social media and senior White House adviser, tweeted that Michigan Rep. Justin Amash is a "big liability" for the state and encouraged a GOP primary opponent to oust him in 2018.

".@realDonaldTrump is bringing auto plants & jobs back to Michigan. @justinamash is a big liability. #TrumpTrain, defeat him in primary," Scavino wrote.

Trump has waged an ongoing battle with leaders and members of the hardline Freedom Caucus following the defeat of the American Health Care Act, the bill backed by Trump and Speaker Paul Ryan that aimed to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act.

The president blamed caucus members including Rep. Mark Meadows, Rep. Jim Jordan, and Amash, as well as Democrats, after the bill was pulled as a result of the lack of lawmakers' support.

Amash responded to Scavino Saturday afternoon, saying: "Trump admin & Establishment have merged into #Trumpstablishment. Same old agenda: Attack conservatives, libertarians & independent thinkers."

Amash, a four-term congressman, hit back at Trump this past week after the president criticized the Freedom Caucus.

"It didn't take long for the swamp to drain @realDonaldTrump. No shame, Mr. President. Almost everyone succumbs to the D.C. Establishment," Amash tweeted Thursday.

Amash has been a consistent thorn in the side of establishment Republicans, who have tried to oust the 36-year-old lawmaker before, notably when Republican leaders backed businessman Brian Ellis over the incumbent in the 2014 primary. Amash bested Ellis 57 percent to 43 percent.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
April 01 2017 18:27 GMT
#144814
On April 02 2017 03:23 Zambrah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2017 03:17 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
On April 02 2017 03:12 Zambrah wrote:
On April 02 2017 03:05 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
so apparently George Takei is running for congress in 2018 going after Nunes's seat. I don't see that going well in a farming district. It will probably go as well as Schilling's proposed senate run against Warren in Mass.


On what day did he announce this?



well it could just be an april fools prank I guess. It was on TMZ, he tweeted something about it. I briefly forgot that today is april fools day. He did buy a house in the area though. And it seems like it's not something that would be an April Fools joke.


I can't say I'd be SHOCKED to see George Takei run for office, he certainly is popular and he has strong opinions and such, but I'm hazarding my guess that he isn't serious and that most anything vaguely potential a joke is a joke because of the day and all, lol



He confirmed it on facebook before april 1st so yes it is going to be a legit attempt.
Never Knows Best.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
April 01 2017 18:36 GMT
#144815
Hey, if one celebrity can beat a shitty politician to become president, beating another shitty one for Congress should be doable.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4756 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-01 18:49:51
April 01 2017 18:49 GMT
#144816
On April 02 2017 03:25 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
A senior adviser to President Donald Trump on Saturday urged a primary challenge against a House Freedom Caucus member.

Dan Scavino Jr., director of social media and senior White House adviser, tweeted that Michigan Rep. Justin Amash is a "big liability" for the state and encouraged a GOP primary opponent to oust him in 2018.

".@realDonaldTrump is bringing auto plants & jobs back to Michigan. @justinamash is a big liability. #TrumpTrain, defeat him in primary," Scavino wrote.

Trump has waged an ongoing battle with leaders and members of the hardline Freedom Caucus following the defeat of the American Health Care Act, the bill backed by Trump and Speaker Paul Ryan that aimed to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act.

The president blamed caucus members including Rep. Mark Meadows, Rep. Jim Jordan, and Amash, as well as Democrats, after the bill was pulled as a result of the lack of lawmakers' support.

Amash responded to Scavino Saturday afternoon, saying: "Trump admin & Establishment have merged into #Trumpstablishment. Same old agenda: Attack conservatives, libertarians & independent thinkers."

Amash, a four-term congressman, hit back at Trump this past week after the president criticized the Freedom Caucus.

"It didn't take long for the swamp to drain @realDonaldTrump. No shame, Mr. President. Almost everyone succumbs to the D.C. Establishment," Amash tweeted Thursday.

Amash has been a consistent thorn in the side of establishment Republicans, who have tried to oust the 36-year-old lawmaker before, notably when Republican leaders backed businessman Brian Ellis over the incumbent in the 2014 primary. Amash bested Ellis 57 percent to 43 percent.


Source


Cruz won that district in the primary, and Amash got more votes there than Trump did ( not unusual). Trump should take this fight, he can totally win.
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biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-01 19:48:29
April 01 2017 19:47 GMT
#144817
So let's say Flynn actively conspired with the Russians, how will that affect trump? Regardless of what happens outside of evidence of direct involvement from trump, he isn't going to get impeached. His approval rating might go down though.

Trump just gonna say he didn't know about it, actually he would probably blame obama for spying on him if asked about it.
Question.?
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-01 19:52:26
April 01 2017 19:51 GMT
#144818
in that case I'd say: it'll increase pressure on him, lower his approval ratings a bit more, and make it easier for him to be removed when a pretext is selected.
how long trump lasts is in great part a threshold effect, when his support falls below a certain threshold, the benefits of ditching him vs the costs of ditching him becomes positive for the republicans. everything that pushes that threshold has an effect on how long he'll last.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
April 01 2017 19:52 GMT
#144819
If Flynn actively conspired with the Russians, we now have to figure out who else was in on this. A whole additional investigation.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
11841 Posts
April 01 2017 19:54 GMT
#144820
On April 02 2017 03:36 LegalLord wrote:
Hey, if one celebrity can beat a shitty politician to become president, beating another shitty one for Congress should be doable.


Celebrities taking spots in US politics isn't a new thing. Though the list isn't exactly huge either.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_actor-politicians#USA
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